Links to the Present: Awesome Edition
2014-08-06Dion Waiters and Bradley Beal aren’t as far apart skill wise as some people assume. Â Jermey Conlin penned a piece for Hardwood Paroxysm explaining why this is so. Â Of course, he had to mention the Kevin Love trade as the starting point for this discussion. Â Would the Cavs trade Waiters for Love? Â Yes. Â Would the Wizards trade Beal for Love? Â No. Â The main reason people think Beal is better so far is because of his strong three point shooting and single playoff appearance. Â Waiters’Â stats are similar to Beal’s though.
Beal is a better shooter from three than Waiters, but Beal also takes so many more two-point jump shots, and makes fewer of them (Beal shot 37.2 percent on 519 two-point attempts outside the paint – Waiters shot 43.1 percent on 378 attempts) that there’s effectively no difference in their scoring efficiencies. In a twist of irony, it’s Waiters’ superiority on low-efficiency shots that actually offsets Beal’s superiority on high-efficiency shots at the rim and beyond the three-point line. Waiters has the reputation of the shameless gunner, but his shot selection is actually much better than Beal’s.
Conlin concludes that Waiters should look much better this season by mentioning former LeBron James made All-Star Mo Williams. Â Waiters, just like Williams, may improve drastically having the King shine on him. Â The Cavs are super lucky to have Lebron.
Kyrie Irving is once again mentioned on Bradford Doolittle’s list of NBA players expected to have a breakout season.
Irving made this list last year. We’ll be right one of these years. Irving’s WARP has increased slightly in each of his three seasons because of minutes increases, but his winning percentage has gone down, from .615 to .606 to .592. SCHOENE sees improved shooting from playing alongside LeBron James as Irving’s ticket to a true breakout campaign in 2014.
See a theme?  LeBron makes everyone just a little better.  It makes sense that Shawn Marion is exploring coming to the Cavs on a very tiny contract.  If he does, he’d provide some much needed defense.  Mike Schreiner of King James Gospel makes a great case for Marion by explaining what he could do for the team.
As stated above Marion was the best perimeter defender on a Mavericks team that won a title in 2011 and was the only team to push the San Antonio Spurs to seven games in this year’s playoffs. While the Mavericks surprisingly gave up more points per 100 possessions with Marion on the floor than off it last season, that has more to do with who Shawn Marion was guarding than anything else, as he was often tasked with guarding the opposition’s best player. The rare tweener forward who can guard both threes and fours, Shawn Marion is also capable of effectively defending many guards and centers due to his combination of length and athleticism.
I won’t go as far to say that Marion could guard centers, but he would certainly offer the perfect amount of help defense on centers to help uplift the Cavs bigs’ defense.
LeBron is apparently thinner this season than he has been since he was on the Cavs.  However, while his body has changed, Bill Livingston is skeptical that his approach to getting management to bring in players he wants has changed.  Livingston, of the Plain Dealer, doesn’t trust LeBron’s belief that the Cavs aren’t in win now mode.  The addition of Mike Miller, James Jones, and possibly Ray Allen all hint at winning now and LeBron entering GM 2.0 mode.
The way the Cavs are desperately eager to accommodate James is making the new era look more than a little like the old.
While James and the Cavs swear his two-year contract is a formality, tied to the expected big jump in the salary cap after the 2015-16 season, what about its opt-out clause after one year?
Is it a way of saying, “Please Please Me,” albeit less melodically than did the Beatles? Does just the threat of the opt-out mean he’s dropped the first “please?”
Maybe, LeBron wants to be a future GM and is practicing with the Cavs roster. Â I don’t mind if he is, as the Cavs do look to be set up well for the coming years.
Tristan Thompson is up for an extension this season and can become a restricted free agent at the end of the season.  No one knows what he is worth, as he is a power forward that doesn’t protect the rim and can’t shoot the ball.  Zach Lowe has offered some insight on Thompson and other players with similar non elite skill sets.  David Zavac has given a Cavs perspective on Thompson.  He acknowledges Thompson uses Rich Paul for an agent, LeBron’s agent too, but believes that Paul wouldn’t try to be unprofessional about getting Thompson a deal. If Paul did force a Thompson deal onto the Cavs, however, Zavic backs up Thompson by saying he will grow a little, is good in the locker room, and is not injury prone.
Thompson has shown some ability to protect the rim as a rookie. He has shown that he can guard the pick and roll pretty effectively. We have no idea what to expect from him shooting, but his true shooting improved significantly for the last 2/3 of his age 23 season
Thompson has come back each season adding something to his game, but it always seems to be making a skill subpar instead of terrible.  He should focus on his strengths, which I know is not an original idea among Cavs fans and bloggers.  Let Thompson run and try to play defense only.
Kyrie Irving still has his doubters, and Ian Flickinger has some stats to shut them down.  He has a piece running at King James Gospel showing that Irving’s stats put him among the elite.  All the players currently active to have scored above 19 a game, have six assists, three rebounds, and above a steal a game are awesome.  Kyrie is hanging out with James Harden, LeBron James, Chris Paul, Monta Ellis (ok, not that awesome, but fun to watch),Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, and Dwayne Wade if a team is made of active guys that have had those stats.  People are starting to see Kyrie in a better light now though.  He has survived the first team USA cut, which left John Wall out in the cold.  That’s nice to see as a Cavs fan.
I like the extremes we lean to here. Sure I’m guilty of some. Wiggins will be awesome/suck right away. Love will give us a championship. Bradley Beal is overrated, DION! Dion needs to seriously work on his FTs. Of the qualified guards only 2 shot worse. TT shot better, that’s pretty bad. His value will be getting to the rim and converting any way he can since the Cavs now have 10 guys on the roster that can jack up 3s and hit jumpers. Dion has been in the doghouse at some point through his last 3 coaches(but it’s not… Read more »
I know press conferences are full of cliches and corporate speak, but today’s presser with Jones and Miller was cool. I know neither of them are in their prime, and neither will be huge contributors, but their basketball wisdom, their respect for LeBron, and their excitement they have about where the Cavs organization is headed was just oozing out of them. It is really cool to see two respected vets like that completely bought into this whole thing.
what makes Saint Weirdo so special is that he has an uncanny confidence level about himself. the kids got huge balls and loves the spotlight. just watch the 2014 Rising Star Challenge game where he went Bonkers. that wasnt a one-time thing either, he goes on 8/10-point in a row scoring spurts all the time.
the original trade rumors had wiggins/ Bennett / dion and a 1st round pick—-I am glad we are ( at least what the media id saying ) not agreeing to that and we are keeping dion —really think dion is ready to surpass beal –he sounds more mature –is built like a tank and most important brings that ” philly playground” attitude “–I think LeBron is really going to enjoy playing with dion
Harden averages those same things but that doesn’t change the fact that he is the list of 5 worst perimeter defenders in the league. I’m always hard on Irving but he’s not even close to the Harden levels of not giving a shit on defense.
Beal and Waiters do indeed have similar stats. For example:
Bradley Beal: WS/48 is .076 TS% is .507
Dion Waiters: WS/48 is .037 TS% is .508
I think people think Beal’s game has more aesthetic appeal. I also think people believe his shooting will improve given how his form is very technical and his stroke is so pretty. I’m not so sure.
Marion would be a great addition to this team as a defensive ace and professional these young guys can learn from. I would still like to see them get a shot blocker but Miami never really had one it’s past four years in the finals either. Tristain Thompson will look good next year, like Taj Gibson good. In a limited role of an energy big man on a good passing team he should pick up countless easy buckets on a high percentage. He’ll have no pressure and be able to beat up on backups. The real explosion I hope to… Read more »
here are some other guys who have average 19-6-3-1 at some point in their careers:
Derek Harper
Jeff Hornacek
Joe Johnson
Michael Adams
Alvin Robertson
Stephone Marbury
Damon Stoudemire
Tim Hardaway
Sam Cassell
Ray Williams
Mike Bibby
Fat Lever
Gus Williams
Terrell Brandon
Steve Francis
Gilbert Arenas
I think Thompson will be afforded the opportunity to work on his strengths now that he won’t be asked to contribute on offense. LeBron, Kyrie, Dion, and Kevin will all handle the offensive workload. Thompson can be a rebounding machine and pick up sloppy points on put backs. I think his defense should improve as well. Dion is my favorite Cav. I really think keeping him is a huge win for us. He has the ability to score 20 ppg next season (if he were on a different team). I think he’ll be an 18/5 guy next season on improved… Read more »
Given the team’s current needs, it seems like Tristan’s ability to be successful is really going to come down to rim protection. If he can learn to block some shots and continue to rebound, he’ll have a valuable role, but if the defense isn’t there he’s going to be pushed out as the Cavs get exposed. He’s got the physical tools, so here’s hoping he can figure it out.
I am taking Dion Waiters over Bradley Beal any day of the week. Waiters is definitely not as refined, but I think he can become a really good shooting guard. The three point shot can be developed. Waiters, IMO, has a little more of a competitor’s spirit than Beal. I like the way he takes it to the hole in traffic.
I don’t know either way. But I think they are pretty even as talents. Beal for some reason is considered untouchable though. It’s really striking how much more he is valued.
I do think that Waiters could easily end up being the better player.
You know, you would do good by starting all of your comments with “I don’t know either way.”
Think about it.
I love that all of the players are coming here to win a title with LeBron. Marion would be an excellent pickup. Make if happen!!!!!!