The 8 Most Ridiculous Rotation Players of The LeBron Era: Part One
2010-01-27The other night, with Delonte West and Mo Williams both injured, Danny Green checked into the game for the Cavaliers. Watching Danny Green play, I realized something. Danny Green is pretty good. He makes smart cuts, he knows where his teammates are, and he can knock down threes. He looks like a legitimate NBA rotation player. I would feel comfortable with Danny Green on the floor during an important stretch of an NBA game. Heck, I’d be interested to see what an all-length lineup of Anderson Varejao/LeBron James/Jawad Williams/Danny Green/Delonte West could do, even though four of those players come off the Cavalier bench and two weren’t even in the rotation until recently.
After I realized that Danny Green looks like an NBA rotation player, I realized something else. There are 11 Cavalier players who have gotten more playing time than Danny Green this season. This means that Danny Green occupies the absolute end of the Cavalier rotation, even without Leon Powe playing.There are 11 Cavalier players who have gotten more playing time than Danny Green this season, and that doesn’t even include Leon Powe. This means that Danny Green occupies the absolute back of the Cavalier rotation.
Danny Green is just one example of something most people know by now: The 2009-10 Cavaliers are an incredibly deep basketball team. They seem to have an endless supply of capable rotation players of all shapes and sizes. They can match up with any other team’s style. They can deal with injuries and absences. They can sit somebody if he’s not having a good night. As a Cavs fan, this is a mind-boggling development.
Ever since I can remember, the Cavs have prominently featured players who do not look like they belong in an NBA rotation. In the LeBron era, with the Cavs gaining league-wide respectability and national coverage, this has become even more apparent. While most playoff contenders look like sleek squads of talented professionals who can beat teams in a number of ways, the Cavs have long looked like LeBron and the Island of Misfit Toys.
There is an explanation for this, which is that the Cavs weren’t built like most teams were. Most teams go through rough stretches, accumulate some young, talented players through the draft, and let them mature, eventually forming a “core.” When that happens, they add some pieces, maybe even a major free agent, and then make minor adjustments around their core until those players fade away and it’s time to draft a new core. There are plenty of exceptions to this formula, but most of the time that’s the rough outline of how contenders get built.
After the Cavs won the LeBron lottery, they completely botched their only two chances at a lottery pick. In 2004, they took Luke Jackson, who suffered major injuries and never became an impact player in the NBA. In 2005, the Cavs lost their first-round pick thanks to the Jiri Welsch trade, which took away the lottery protection on the Cavs’ 2005 pick. So the Cavs missed both of their best chances to add a young star through the draft, and the one time they had tons of cap space, they used it on Larry Hughes. Oh, and there was the Boozer thing.
Because of these circumstances and the pressure not to waste years of LeBron James’ prime, the Cavs have been forced to surround LeBron with players who are a bit, well, different. Not all of them have been terrible players, and some of them have even been quite effective. But over the years, I can’t even begin to count the number of times that I’ve thought to myself “Dear God, this man is a rotation player on an NBA playoff team.” Tonight, we celebrate a few of those lovable misfits.
Here are a few of my favorite former Cavs that have taken a few years off of my life, in no particular order:
8. Eric Williams
If you’ll remember, Eric Williams was the most effective one of the three players the Cavaliers acquired in the Ricky Davis trade. The other two were Tony Battie and Kendrick Brown, who both logged significantly less minutes for the 03-04 Cavaliers than Williams did. Despite the fact that Williams shot 36.6% from the field and 25.3% from three-point range with the Cavs, the Cavs played significantly better basketball after his acquisition.
Really, this paragraph isn’t about Eric Williams at all, but how completely strange the Ricky Davis situation was in retrospect. The Cavs traded away an extremely talented young scorer for three players whose chief value was that they were decent human beings who played hard, and they got significantly better. That is how much of a pain in the ass Ricky Davis had become in Cleveland. What makes everything that much more ridiculous is that Davis was being such a pain in the ass because he had a problem with the reins of the team being handed from him to LeBron James. Recent history suggests that Davis was perhaps mistaken in his position on this issue.
On Bill Simmons’ podcast today, he was asked to find the sports equivalent of Angelina leaving the Jersey Shore house on the second episode. She left because of unspecified issues with showing up to work at a store located directly below her home, and in doing so cost herself years of easy money through club appearances and subsequent reality shows. You may think that D-level reality stardom might not be something Angelina aspires to, but this is a woman who described herself as the “Kim Kardashian of Staten Island.” And yet I digress. The point is that I nominate Ricky Davis pouting his way off the 03-04 Cavaliers as the sports world’s answer to Angelina leaving the Jersey Shore house during the second episode.
7. Drew Gooden
Gooden was an excellent rebounder, had a decent touch from mid-range, could occasionally score in the post, and could attack off the dribble. On paper, Drew Gooden was and is a very passable NBA power forward. However, Drew was always far worse than his package of skills would suggest he was. He was never a very efficient scorer, wasn’t very tough around the basket, would settle for too many midrange jumpers, and would often start dribbling towards the basket without any sort of plan. Defensively, he never had any clue what was going on, and would regularly miss rotations. He was a tentative finisher around the basket, often pivoting a few times and tossing up an oddly angled hook instead of just catching the ball and dunking.
Despite the fact the Cavs played significantly better with Anderson Varejao at the power forward, Drew started at the power forward for years. Even though he played terrible defense on a team built on defense and wasn’t a very good pick-and-roll player on a team that mainly ran pick-and-rolls, Drew stayed. The team was never really happy with Drew starting at power forwards, shopping him a few times and not offering him a huge contract when he became a free agent, but they never could quite bring themselves to let go of Drew’s rebounding, scoring ability, and all-around semi-acceptability.
Drew was also a bit flighty, and wore a his hair in a duck-tail for most of a season and engaged in a beard-growing contest with DeShawn Stevenson for most of another. Drew truly saw his own head as a canvas.
Around the beginning of my Sophomore year, I realized that the magnetizing strip on my student ID card had worn out. This meant that it wouldn’t work sometimes in some places, and would never work in other places. It was often a hassle, but it would work just often enough so that I didn’t feel the need to replace it. It wasn’t making my life impossible, and I had too many other things to do to worry about replacing the card. You know when I ended up replaced that card? Yesterday. It took me just over a year and a half to get sufficiently fed up with my barely adequate card. That story is how I would explain the Drew Gooden era for the Cleveland Cavaliers. It’s hard to realize that something that works needs replacing, even when it doesn’t work very well.
6. Donyell Marshall
Donyell was a “stretch four” whose love of shooting threes was always greater than his ability to make threes. He would set a lazy pick, pop out behind the three-point line, and fire up a three whether or not he was closed out or not. Donyell Marshall was corpulent and taking bad threes on a contending team long before Rasheed Wallace made it cool.
In fact, here are Donyell Marshall’s numbers in his last year in the Cavs’ rotation, 2006-07 against Rasheed Wallace’s current numbers:
Marshall: 53.6% TS, 7.2% AST, 10.4 TO%, 18.2 USG%, 13.8 REB %
Wallace: Â 51.2% TS, 8.2% AST, 6.9 TO%, 19.0 USG%, 11.7 REB %
Now that’s just fun. Other interesting facts about Donyell Marshall include the time he missed a wide-open short corner three in game one of the Cleveland-Detroit Eastern Conference Finals in 2007, which may have led to LeBron deciding to take a more active role in his takeover of game five. (Interestingly, Rasheed Wallace inexplicably stuck to Marshall like a sponge during James’ entire game five takeover.)
Donyell was eventually traded to Seattle, where he accelerated Kevin Durant’s ascent to greatness by showing Durant a horrifying vision of what he could someday become if he didn’t work hard enough. This story has not been confirmed, but I still think that’s why the Sonics agreed to that trade. I mean, they traded for him after this happened:
5. Sasha Pavlovic
Up until the second half of the 2007 season, Sasha was a garbage-time player. He would come in, play badly, and go back to the bench for a long time. When told to play harder on the defensive end by Mike Brown, Sasha supposedly said “My offense is my defense,” which is such a ridiculous and ballsy thing to say that it’s kind of awesome.
Then, near the end of the 2007 season, Sasha inexplicably became a very solid starting shooting guard. He played fabulous man-to-man defense, could handle the ball and slash to the rim effectively, and could knock down the open three. There was a chunk of time in there where I honestly would have told you that Sasha Pavlovic was the second-best offensive player on the Cavaliers. He never found his offensive game in the playoffs, although he did play some great defense, particularly on Vince Carter.
Then Sasha held out for the beginning of the 2007-08 season, and during his holdout was apparently forced to forget everything he had ever learned about basketball. I’m telling you, in 2007 Sasha Pavlovic was an effective slasher. I saw it. This really happened. But whenever Sasha Pavlovic put the ball on the floor after his holdout, terrible, terrible things would happen. He would crash into defenders, try to go behind his back, have no idea where any of his teammates were, and throw up wild shots in traffic. Sasha could still play solid defense, and would have good stretches shooting the ball. But Sasha’s sheer horrifying ineptitude whenever he tried to make a play kept him from ever making the kind of impact he had in 2007 again.
Alright, this has gone on longer than I thought, so I’ll have to split in into two parts. See you guys tommorrow, and I’ll complete this list as soon as possible.
I am literally writing about that exact tendency right now. Darn you for spoiling it!
Anyone else remember Damon Jones jump-kicking the space between his off hand and whoever was defending him as he brought the ball up the court? He did this for literally half of the season. Can not believe he was in the NBA as long as he was. Can’t wait to see the rest of the list. And good call on the Newble-Patterson duel, HoopsDogg… “The Predator” definitely came in and put the clamps on that studio gangster…
My favorite nickname for Drew Gooden was, “Tragic Johnson” because of his passing.
“That huge young-looking Z kid that never played. ”
Had a girl name and got Tomjanaviched in the NBDL.
Eric Williams was a single dad and a great human interest story. Sasha was he worst finisher in the NBA.
Great article! Looking forward to Part II. If your Cavs memory stretches back as far as mine, you can add players from the great Lenny Wilkens teams. My fave WTF starter was Winston Bennett at SF. p.s. can anyone tell me what European backwater The Alaskan Assassin, Trajan Landon, is playing in now?
Lucious Harris
Scott Pollard
Scott Williams
Lorenzan Wright
David Wesley
That huge young-looking Z kid that never played.
We had some serious talent
what about scott pollard. the highlight of his career was when he said “hey kids, do drugs”
Absolutely fantastic piece of writing. References to the Sports Guy, Jersey Shore, and Drew Gooden’s facial/neck hair. I’ve passed this on to all my fellow Cavs fans and can’t wait for Part 2.
Popeye Jones needs to make an appearance on this list, and Wagner had some kind of kidney problem or something like that which finished him off, Larry Hughes, Ricky Davis are players who were equally annoying when they were here, Luke Jackson was such a horrible pick im still bitter about it, but Drew Gooden is in a league of his own because of his talent and potential if he just made simple plays, played defense and rebounded… and i forget about the Boozer thing from time to time, still ridiculous
These were hard times. Its funny when we think about how far the Cavs have come now. Sasha was guaranteed to walk 1-2 times a game with the same slow motion pump fake move. Drew “Goofy” Gooden was horrrible & you never knew what you were goin to get from him night to night. Besides him over dribbling & trying to make too many fancy passes. JJ is an upgrade over him because he goes strong & stays within his game. Where Goofy wanted to be a 3 instead of a tough physical 4. The only thing tough about him… Read more »
I’m pretty sure Sasha was the only player besides Lebron willing to take shot in OT of Game 5 against Detroit. For that alone, I defended him until the end — though he didn’t really come close to scoring. His PER (or any other stat) this season in Minnesota is proving me wrong.
Yeah you can’t fault him for the Eric Snow signing -that wasn’t a bad move.
Top of the list guesses. Ricky Davis, Ira Newble, Robert Tractor Trailer (good lord), Eric Snow (not that terrible I guess), Larry Hughes (still playing and was somewhat effective at points), and my pick, DeJuan Wagner (what a huge huge bust).
It’s hard not to look at this list and realize what an ATROCIOUS GM Jim Paxson was. The only thing he ever did right was screw up enough to get LeBron. He even botched the Boozer situation. I can just see the rest of the list coming: Amon Ones, Ira Newble, Robert Traylor, Desanga Diop, and the most frustrating player in Cavs history: Eric Snow.
The highlight of Ira’s NBA tenure and his rep as a good defensive player came in a 10 minute stretch against thug extraordinaire Ruben Patterson, who was absolutely lighting us up in a Clippers uniform. Ira came from DEEP on the bench to play some body up defense on the old nanny-raper. His defense ended helping win the game for us.
As far as I’m concerned, Pavlovic hugged LeBron after he hit that Game 2 buzzer-beater against Orlando so he could enter into the annals of NBA legend. That image will literally be replayed hundreds of times on sports countdown shows. Lord knows, it wouldn’t have happened because of anything he did during the actual game.
@Jack
One and a half positive memories of Ira Newble:
1. He organized NBA players to petition the Chinese government to divest from Sudan in the run-up to the Beijing Olympics
Half point: He was, theoretically, a “sound defender.” I admit to having no memories of this half point.
Apparently the players on this list have at least some sort of lovable quality to them. Therefore I hope the worst NBA rotation player I have ever seen, Ira Newble, does not make this list. Nothing about him was lovable. He completely and totally sucked at everything basketball related, except being tall. I guess he was good at being tall.
I miss Damon Jones.
I consider myself a very hardcore Cavs fan, and I can’t for the life of me remember ever watching Eric Williams play (although this may have something to do with their being so many Williams’ in the NBA and them all running together). I think this says a lot about how bad the Cavs supporting cast was in LeBron’s first season or two, and even more about just how bad a team they were before that magical ping pong ball.
Here it is: was behind the back, not splitting double team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR3l-91Hx-o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_gdvAjWCSg
Fan-effen-tastic. I’m actually giddy for the second half.
“My offense is my defense”…I’m gonna be saying that for the rest of the day, possibly longer…
Yeah love the Pavlovic memories. I vividly remember in early 2007 LeBron had dead legs and Sasha literally was a vital piece to our team. I remember BW writing that this season was all about Sasha, and when he played well, we won. I remember there was a stretch of 3 or 4 games in a row where I honestly wanted the ball in Sasha’s hands at the end of games. How ridiculous is this? You are right though. He was the only DYNAMIC offensive player other than LeBron. I remember calling into WTAM and talking to Kevin Keene for… Read more »