The Problem with Old Friends
2013-04-23First, stop yelling at and snarking on each other. It baffles me how supercilious some of us are acting about a decision of which we don’t yet know the impact. Clog your miserable hate-spittle hole for a second and let other people have their opinions. They’re every bit as valid as yours, given that Mike Brown hasn’t even been properly introduced to his players yet. Shouting down everyone who disagrees with you doesn’t make you right, just unpleasant to be around.
With that out of the way, here’s a short history of Mike Brown’s head coaching career, though you probably don’t need one: during Brown’s first stint in Cleveland, he was a great defensive coach whose teams were markedly uncreative on the offensive side of the ball, especially in late-game scenarios. (Here’s where Tom goes “Except for the ’08-’09 season,” and I’m all “Be quiet, Tom; you’re disrupting the narrative.”) It’s overstating the problem to say Brown didn’t run plays, but he and his assistants failed to create a recognizable and recognizably effective system—say, like the Spurs have used for the past few years—and it seemed that during fourth quarter timeouts, Brown just drew pictures of LeBron James equipping a jetpack and rocketing over the defense for a dunk while Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison were left wondering if they could possibly do anything to help. Brown helped the Cavs become a perennial title contender as LeBron entered his prime in the late 00s, then he got canned by the Cavs after the team’s bizarre implosion in the 2010 Eastern Conference Semifinals. After that, Brown—actually, why don’t we just slap a big ol’ C-minus on his brief Lakers tenure? Now he’s back in Cleveland to coach a team that barely resembles the one he left behind a few years ago.
The fact that, if you’re a regular reader of this blog, you probably didn’t need the above primer on Brown is sort of the problem. He’s not an alluring coaching prospect precisely because we’re already acquainted with his stagnant offenses and habit of squinting into middle distance. (Puzzlement is never a good look for a supposed leader of men.) Whenever Mike Brown makes a Mike Brown face, we’ll remember the Cavs’ various LeBron Era playoff flameouts and feel a bit sick. We’ll do the same thing if Kyrie Irving is running Bron-esque isolations at the end of tight games. Nevermind if some relatively unknown assistant the Cavs could have hired—let’s call him Matt Green—were to make these same sorts of mistakes and heartburn-afflicted facial expressions. If and when Mike Brown screws up, our reaction is going to be the kind of angry you get at a friend who, no matter how many times you talk to him about it, can’t help but arrive to any meetup an hour late. We’re biased against familiar incompetence; Matt Green’s deficiencies would be more excusable because they would at least be a surprise. It would be harder to blame management for not anticipating Matt Green’s ineptitude in performing any number of tasks head coaches are responsible for, than if Mike Brown’s second Cavs’ tenure falls flat in a typically Mike Brown way.
This set of biases leads some of us to make our very own Mike Brown faces at the Mike Brown hire, but I also don’t think we’re being overemotional and that these biases don’t matter. More to the point: the organization is willfully hiring someone they know is a sub-par offensive coach and hoping that he’s either become more inventive—Brown’s Lakers tenure would seem to undermine that assumption—or can pair himself with a great assistant who will figure out how to use the Cavs’ uniquely talented backcourt and jumpshot-averse frontcourt. The Cavs’ front office must also know that Brown was routinely outflanked during his first run with the Cavs by smart opposing coaches who seemed much better than he was at making in-game adjustments, and that Brown didn’t exactly command the respect of the last two superstars he coached. These are whatever you want to call them: red flags, areas of concern, out-and-out weaknesses.
(I don’t want to get into Mike Brown’s hiring and its impact on LeBron’s possible return. I don’t think it’s an irrelevant question to ask—we’re talking about the best player since Jordan—but those of us outside of LeBron’s inner circle and the Cavs’ front office can’t speak with even a modicum of certainty on the matter. This won’t stop certain media types whose entire business is speculation-as-content, but it will at least stop me.)
Mike Brown’s a fine coach, and anyone bemoaning this hire as a disaster is ignoring the work Brown did in hammering the late-00s Cavs into one of the league’s best defensive teams. What irks me most about this whole ordeal isn’t the end result, but the process and its rapidity. Whether my perception mirrors reality or otherwise, it appears Dan Gilbert threw a tantrum, sacked Byron Scott, and felt like he needed to lock down Mike Brown immediately, without considering anyone else save Phil Jackson, who was always going to be a long shot. What Gilbert and the rest of the organization have lost in deciding not to interview anyone else for the job is the opportunity to inject new ideas and perspectives into the organization. The interviewing process isn’t just for finding the right coaching candidate, but for picking various basketball minds. Did the Cavs need to be dead certain they got Mike Brown at the expense of sitting down with someone like David Fizdale or Mo Cheeks? It strikes me as small-minded to not even consider other candidates. Brown isn’t such an impressive coach that the team needed to buck protocol and make a quick hire.
We’re all having strong reactions to this decision because we know this hire has to work out if the team doesn’t want to take out a timeshare in the lottery or be forced to bottom out all over again in a few years. The next couple of seasons will be determinative in terms of the direction this rebuild is going to take, and the head coach is going to have a significant effect on the team’s improvement or arrested development. Mike Brown’s the man who’ll get the blame or the plaudits, and we can argue about whether that’s a good thing, but I wonder most of all if this needed to happen as swiftly as it did.
@KyrieSwIrving I completely agreed with your post about LeBron being eons ahead of Kyrie in passing/vision, but with 15 seconds and down 1? I would take Kyrie because I think he has the “This is my shot” attitude of Kobe coupled with far superior dribbling and shooting skills. The kid has proven to be a sniper in the clutch more than LeBron ever was. 15 seconds left, teams could pack the paint and make Lebron shoot a jumper or pass. I’m more comfortable with someone who can pull up and hit a 17 footer after dribbling through a double team.… Read more »
Glad he kept Mosley to work with Tristan and brought back Kuester. At least Brown is making smart moves, if Gilbert isn’t.
Ugh, they hired him. Well at least I won’t be yelling at the TV about players making defensive mistakes that I wouldn’t even make. I am just curious how he is going to be able to devlop the talent we have. I know defense is important but some of our players will need extra help on the offensive end. That is important to me as well. Will it get kyrie to have faith in his teammates and pass the ball in the fourth, I don’t know.
Check out the LTTP I just posted. John Kuester is back as well.
Haha, the Mike Brown face certainly doesn’t inspire confidence, does it?
Disapointed that they didn’t at least interview anyone else. But I think Brown is a very good coach. Considering the Heat won 66 games this year with a better version of LeBron and just more all around talent – that’s the same # of win Brown got out of the less talented Cavs his last season as coach. Creative offensive systeme or not – that’s pretty impressive.
I agree Tom, I’m just saying that Dave’s claim was a bit luny. Kyrie is a very very good ISO player. He’s not as good as Lebron. If we’re going to move forward with a lot of ISO, Kyrie’s going to need to trust the pass (he had CJ and Ellington to spot up this year) a lot more than what he’s shown for it to be a winning formula. Its not simply going to be roses because Kyrie is superior to Lebron at getting off a creative shot from more places on the floor and has a better handle.… Read more »
Interesting quote from Jason Lloyd:
” Let’s be clear about something, and I’ll write more about this later. The playing for draft picks is over. Gilbert believes the Cavs can make the playoffs next season. If this team can defend better and stay healthy, he might be right. Either way, the Cavs are playing to win again. The playoffs are the goal for next season.”
http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-cavaliers/cleveland-cavaliers-1.275356/random-thoughts-on-mike-brown-s-return-to-cleveland-1.392371
Chris Grant said something similar in his press conference. If so, are the Cavs going to make a FA acquisition this off-season?
Tom-
Your analysis income analysis- while technically correct- is a bit of a misnomer. It implies that losing is a money making formula, which is not the case. He made the most money in 2011 because of the massive salary dump (Lebron, Shaq, etc.) that ensued….but he still garnered heavy season-ticket sales that had committed before The Decision. Had the ticket base been more realistic about Lebron’s bolt, he never would have made that much money.
I’ve also come to this realization: Mike Brown hiring > Mike Lombardi hiring. So there’s that.
grover – my point is, it’s silly to say this was about money. Dan Gilbert doesn’t own the Cavs to get rich. He’s already wealthy because of his own companies. He owns the Cavs because he’s loves mid-west sports.
@ Ross
True. You can’t really deny the knocks on Shabazz.
I don’t know if adding Zeller is enough to entice anyone. If OKC ends up with #8, how willing are they to trade down? They’ve got other picks to include: Miami’s 2015, Memphis’ TBD pick, Sacramento…of course, it seems unlikely the Cavs will get that one. But, as you said, how much do they want to give up to for him?
I like Mike Brown and am now excited about this hire. But I just don’t understand all of the people pointing to his winning % and his playoff record as evidence he is a good coach. He has coached great players on teams that were expected to win a lot of games. The question is not what was his record, but how much better/worse did his teams do relative to what they would have do with an average coach (WARC, if you will)? I don’t pretend to have the answer (its a tough one), but simply pointing to his record… Read more »
Colin,
I loved your point about our tendency to be “biased against familiar incompetence.” With the choices Gilbert had, I think this hire is probably a good one, and we ought to give Brown a chance to coach again, especially with this team’s atrocious defense. Thanks for a good article.
Tom, what dave said was “There’s another factor I’d raise here: An offense of “Let Kyrie do his thing” is a significantly more dynamic offense than “Let Lebron do his thing”….Kyrie is a more creative player than Lebron, and finds things to do on the spur of the moment that are far more interesting than Lebron’s “dribble or stand for 15 seconds and launch a 3-ball” play.” Letting players do there thing includes driving to the hoop and dishing to the open cutter/3 pt shooter. Lebron is eons better at this than kyrie, and is still better at finishing at… Read more »
SwIrving – look, I’d rather have the ball in LeBron’s hands and a cast of 3 point snipers at the end of game. I don’t really care about all the howling about LeIso. That was effective offense. Right now Kyrie has Alonzo Gee spotted up in the corner. Kyrie is a better ball handler, 3 point shooter, and jump shooter than LeBron. To me, in a vacuum, that lends itself better to isolation scoring. The point is that Kyrie can (and does) score best out of isolation. I consider this a problem, from the standpoint that he needs to learn… Read more »
@ Cody I love the idea of landing Noel and Shabazz, but I agree that 19, 31, and 33 wouldn’t likely enough ammo. Would Zeller plus picks get us back into the 8-9 range? I don’t want to trade Kyrie, Tristan, or Dion. I’m on the fence with Andy. I think Andy + picks could get us back into the top 10 picks again, but I’d be hesitant to pull the trigger on that deal. But who do we have besides him that we could package with picks that would be appealing to other teams? Also, the front office seems… Read more »
@ Ross
I think what they do with the other three picks will be largely dependent on what they do with the first. If they draft Porter (the most likely scenario). I think they will have to look at a center. Dieng, Adams come to mind. If they land Noel, obviously, SF becomes the biggest need. Would it be possible to trade up and get Shabazz? Guessing they would have to go up to 8 or 9. Not sure 19, 31, and 33 would be enough ammo.
TV63, Gilbert isn’t making moves based on money. He’s spent 10’s of millions on the chance at a couple likely low lottery or mid 1st round picks, he repeatedly went way over the cap in a small market when he smelled a championship, and he could save a lot of that 5 year -$20mil contract if he just hired an assistant or kept byron, who he’ll be paying regardless. That is a completely unfounded attack.
Can’t say I’m necessarily disappointed in this hire. Sure, it would’ve been nice to see a more thorough search. But this is a very important draft and offseason, so I understand wanting a coach asap, and they seemed to be very set on Brown either way.
I’m tired of arguing about Mike Brown. How about some draft chatter… My NBA Draft Wish List for Cavs first pick… 1. Nerlens Noel (even if he does have to sit out the 1st half of the year, he’s the closest thing to a can’t miss in this draft) 2. Otto Porter (eventually would make Gee part of the bench unit where he belongs) 3. Shabazz Muhammad (I think he’ll boom or bust. Let’s hope for boom. Lots of offensive upside.) 4. Victor Oladipo (I’d have him higher but I’m skeptical that he’ll have the size to play the 3… Read more »
This article almost perfectly captures how I feel about it, and I agree with many of the comments as well (except for the ridiculous “Kyrie is more creative than Lebron” remark by Dave; thank you BBQ for appropriately smacking that one down). My summary, in short: Could the Cavs have found a better coach? YES Could the Cavs have found a worse coach? YES Will the Cavs get better under Brown? YES Will they make the playoffs under Brown? YES Will they win a championship under Brown? NO All in all, not the worst hire they could have made. But… Read more »
Tom Pestak: I take exception with the terminology involved here. You say Kyrie is more “creative” in ISO situations. In the next breath you say he has problems passing with his off hand and out of double teams. Kyrie has a sick handle, and his highlights can be jaw dropping. “Ohhhh Baaaaaby!” For you And1 Mixtape fans out there. Creative to me means creating for yourself (which he does exceedingly well) AND others, where he has a lot of work to do. He has yet to add the threat of his ability to get to the rim with relative ease… Read more »
@BBQDaddy – Ok, let me elaborate. He’s more creative with his dribble. What are 1 on 5, top o’ the key, LeIso possesions? Oh, that’s right – when a guy is pounding the rock by himself and everyone clears out. That’s at least how that play starts. Kyrie can do things with the basketball that no one else (maybe Chris Paul) can do. LeBron is a power player – he is one of the greatest passing 6’8″ freight trains ever. I’m not trying to dillute how good he is. He is orders of magnitude better at passing and court vision… Read more »
Probably more important than that, though, is that he (Kyrie) is light years ahead of LeBron in pull up jumpers and the mid-rangey kinda stuff that, while horribly inefficient, are generally the plays called at the end of games. Coaches dial these up because they are scared out of their mind of turnovers. It’s safer to just let the guy that is best at getting his shot off go to work. Anyway, I’m not sure why we even headed down this track. Probably because people are bemoaning an isolation heavy offense that they expect under Brown. Like that somehow wasn’t… Read more »
I agree with a lot of what @BBQDaddy says. Mike Brown has an extremely good win-loss % as a head coach, any way you slice it. He is used to winning, the exact opposite of everyone currently involved with the Cavs franchise. That history will be the refreshing new perspective, the culture change. People are so worried about not having an identity on offense, Mike Brown will hopefully establish defense on a team that could use an identity, period. Trust Kyrie and Dion to figure out the offense as a budding tandem — i.e., you think it’s Erik Spoelstra dialing… Read more »
I found this podcast after a little digging. I remember it because Brian Windhorst actually claimed that LeBron was messing up Mike Brown’s offense. I also found it interesting that he said LeBron and Mo Williams would ignore plays called by Mike Brown. I guess you could take that last part a couple of different ways. Mike Brown’s offense being so bad that the players had to take control, LeBron showing a lack of trust or poor judgement, Mike not having control of his players (although you have to wonder if Dan Gilbert wasn’t in his ear).
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/01/brian_windhorst_talks_cavalier_15.html
I also may have wished to interview other candidates, but the way we did Brown in 2010, and the fact that he’s one of the best names on the market might have played into the desire to show him he was who we really wanted. It’s hard to tell the man “Sorry we made a mistake in 2010, please come coach for us again” and then telling him, well, please consider it after we see if we can find someone who wows us more than you. Bottom line, there are only a handful of current NBA head coaches better than… Read more »
I don’t want to speak for Dave, but Kyrie is a more creative isolation player than LeBron. LeBron’s court vision sets him apart from just about everyone with his skillset, and Kyrie has trouble passing out of double teams or with his off hand. But if the concern is isolation heavy offense – the Cavs have 2 guys that are somewhat effective in isolation situations.
On one hand, it seems that Mike Brown was looking to relocate to Cleveland no matter what. On the other hand, there was going to be a TON of coaching vacancies, and he was garnering lots of interest. Maybe Gilbert/Grant and company did a handshake agreement with MB right away because they felt bad about the way they tried to string him along last time before eventually firing him. Give him the benefit of the doubt this time – show him that he has the full support and backing of the owner and GM.
https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/326783292361801730
Eh
The national media seems to like this move. The national media also seems to think the Cavs are going to be pretty good sooner rather than later. So I’ll defer to them. I’m on board.
All Byron Scott did was run ISO plays at the end of games.
Byron Scott had no recognizable offensive system.
We’ll still have the Kyrie ISO we’ve had, we’ll just have better defense while doing it.
I just don’t understand why everyone is so worried about us running late-game iso with Kyrie so much just because Brown is coming back. For a guy who was supposedly helping our offense, wasn’t that pretty much ALL that Scott did already?
So we get the same semi-stagnant offense, but with a guy who can hide defensive inefficiencies…sounds like a plus to me. I only wish they had done due diligence by interviewing more candidates.
Look, if the Defense improves to top ten levels with Brown then this is a really good hire… we weren’t running any “system” with BS anyway, and in my opinion our offense was good enough outside of Alonzo Gee’s corner three’s And to be honest what was Brown going to draw up, at the end of games other then LeBron going to the basket? off pick and roll or Iso? Thats what Lebron is doing now… And to that end Kyrie and Dion are FANTASTIC iso players… so dont freak out when we see more of it this year As… Read more »
Lets start with Dave: Dave, I respectfully and completely disagree with the idea that a Kyrie led offense is more dynamic than a LBJ led offense. Kyrie hasn’t averaged more assists than LeBron did in his worst season. Plus, LeBron is 6’9 and sees everything. I love Kyrie, but only in a bizarro parallel universe could he be considered even an equal play maker than LBJ (he’s not), yet alone more dynamic. Honestly it’s a completely absurd observation, along with the idea that the Cavs will have a +20 scoring differential. im not typically a wake and bake guy, but… Read more »
@ Rich – so because one team found a guy that ended up being (we think) a good coach, after interviewing a few people and said coach not being at the top of the list, means that every team will do the same? I understand those comments that we hired someone too quickly. I sincerely disagree, and feel that if Mike Brown was our top choice, why not hire him? But to point at the Golden State hiring of Mark Jackson and act like we messed up because they found a coach after interviewing multiple guys, is ludicrous. @ Dave… Read more »
@ Dave
Very good point. Kyrie is more creative and a better passer than LeBron was in his Cleveland years. That alone will make the offense a little less predictable.
However, it remains to be seen if Mike Brown’s defense can be as effective now as it was before. The Cavs had more height at most positions back then. Also, Z was bigger, and a better defender/rebounder than Tyler.
The third paragraph certainly wasn’t any worse than what BS was doing. And I hope the Cavs are winning 50-60 and going out in the 2nd/3rd round. That’s a start. I think they have more tools to work with and definitely more cap to spend out of the gate. About respect, it was noticeable that Lebron didn’t exactly buddy up to Brown but then again has he to Spoelstra? Lebron is an enigma. I don’t know how KI will react but he didn’t exactly respect BS in his mannerisms and behavior. Remember that game winning shot 3 feet behind the… Read more »
There’s another factor I’d raise here: An offense of “Let Kyrie do his thing” is a significantly more dynamic offense than “Let Lebron do his thing”. The difference is that Kyrie is naturally a point guard, and finds ways to get great passes to TT / Dion / Andy when they’re open, whereas Lebron is naturally a bull-rushing power forward who wants to charge right in and score a dunk himself. Kyrie is a more creative player than Lebron, and finds things to do on the spur of the moment that are far more interesting than Lebron’s “dribble or stand… Read more »
Mike Brown’s offense is less stylized because offense directly affects defense. I believe I read this at one time or another when Mike Brown was being asked about the possibility of a strong offensive assistant coach. I personally believe this is the perfect hire. It has an air of continuity about it that was my biggest concern in letting Scott go. Mike Brown will absolutely outwork the coach opposite him. At the least he will put his team in a position to win which I don’t think anybody can reasonably argue against. A defensive minded team can keep itself in… Read more »
This was not a rush decision. It was made long before the end of the season. The lack of defensive intensity absolutely killed any chance that Scott would be retained. Say what you will, but the one thing we know about Brown is that the defensive effort will be greatly improved.
Again, I point to Golden State’s hire of Mark Jackson. The interview process absolutely made a difference there. W/o it, he never would have gotten the job.
Holy crap. Did you seriously just suggest Mo Cheeks? This blog has officially jumped the shark…
I’m sorry. I may be wrong, but it just seems too naive to believe that the interview process is really that important to “injecting new ideas” into an organization. This is the real world. Guys who work in the upper echelons of the NBA are part of a very select group of people, and to think that information is not shared across organizations on any level just seems so ridiculous. Not to mention organizational structure consultants, sports management conventions (MIT). There are majors on sports management at countless universities and books, articles and tv specials are produced specifically on this… Read more »
Agree. Dam shame they didn’t even interview anyone else. I think Gilbert was more impressed that under Brown’s coaching; he made money and under Scott’s he didn’t. I think it’s really that simple.
TV63 said: “I think Gilbert was more impressed that under Brown’s coaching; he made money and under Scott’s he didn’t. I think it’s really that simple.” Here is the operating income (before taxes), and attendance, of the Cavaliers in the Dan Gilbert era: 2005-2006: 16 million — 792,391 (5th) 2006-2007: 23.9 million — 837,883 (3rd) 2007-2008: 31.9 million — 839,074 (3rd) 2008-2009: 13.1 million — 841,020 (4th) 2009-2010: 5.0 million — 843,042 (2nd) 2010-2011: 2.6 million — 824,595 (3rd) 2011-2012: 32.9 million — 525,577 (21st) 2012-2013: 18.6 million — 663,882 (22nd) So, in the last 8 years, the year Dan… Read more »