Could Anthony Bennett be the Biggest Bust in NBA Draft History?
2013-11-13Before Monday’s benching against the Bulls — a “DNP: Coaches Decision” — Anthony Bennett had played seven games in just under two weeks. Bennett has made only one of his 21 field goal attempts in those seven games for a .048 field goal percentage. He has shot four free throws and made two of them for a total of five points in 76 NBA minutes. He’s been the butt of jokes and criticism around the NBA for his troubles. It’s worth exploring: has any NBA No. 1 pick ever started this poorly?
The answer is an unequivocal no. Neither Kwame Brown, Andrea Bargnani, nor Pervis Ellison… nor LaRue Martin nor Fred Hetzel was ever this bad. Here’s a chart of per game averages over the the first seven games for every number one draft pick since 1954.
Year | Player | MP | FG | FGA | FG% | TRB | AST | STL | BLK | TOV | PTS |
2013 | Anthony Bennett | 11 | 0.1 | 3 | 0.05 | 2.6 | 0.1 | 0.9 | 0.3 | 0.1 | 0.7 |
2012 | Anthony Davis | 28 | 5.7 | 11.4 | 0.5 | 8.3 | 0.7 | 1.3 | 2.3 | 1.6 | 15.6 |
2011 | Kyrie Irving | 26 | 5.1 | 12.3 | 0.42 | 3.9 | 5.3 | 0.6 | 0.9 | 2.9 | 14.1 |
2010 | John Wall | 40 | 6.7 | 15.6 | 0.43 | 4.3 | 10.3 | 3.3 | 0.3 | 4.4 | 18.4 |
2009 | Blake Griffin | 35 | 6.9 | 13.7 | 0.5 | 11 | 1.9 | 0.7 | 0.1 | 2.6 | 18.1 |
2008 | Derrick Rose | 37 | 7 | 15.3 | 0.46 | 3.9 | 5.1 | 1.1 | 0 | 3 | 17.7 |
2007 | Greg Oden | 21 | 3.1 | 6.1 | 0.51 | 7.7 | 0.9 | 0.6 | 2.1 | 1.6 | 9.6 |
2006 | Andrea Bargnani | 10 | 2 | 4.9 | 0.41 | 2.1 | 0 | 0 | 0.4 | 0.7 | 4.7 |
2005 | Andrew Bogut | 27 | 3.6 | 7.3 | 0.49 | 8.3 | 1.9 | 0.9 | 0.7 | 0.7 | 8.1 |
2004 | Dwight Howard | 30 | 3 | 6.6 | 0.46 | 11.7 | 1.3 | 0.6 | 2 | 2.4 | 7.9 |
2003 | LeBron James | 41 | 7 | 15.6 | 0.45 | 7.3 | 6.6 | 1.6 | 0.7 | 3.4 | 16.9 |
2002 | Yao Ming | 14 | 1.9 | 3.4 | 0.54 | 3.4 | 0.6 | 0.1 | 0.4 | 1.1 | 4.3 |
2001 | Kwame Brown | 21 | 1.4 | 4.1 | 0.35 | 3.7 | 0.7 | 0.1 | 0.9 | 1 | 4.4 |
2000 | Kenyon Martin | 14 | 1.9 | 3.4 | 0.54 | 3.4 | 0.6 | 0.1 | 0.4 | 1.1 | 4.3 |
1999 | Elton Brand | 33 | 4.9 | 12.6 | 0.39 | 6.1 | 2.7 | 1.3 | 2.7 | 1.7 | 10.7 |
1998 | Michael Olowokandi | 31 | 4.3 | 9.6 | 0.45 | 8.3 | 0.3 | 0.4 | 1.4 | 2 | 10.9 |
1997 | Tim Duncan | 35 | 6.6 | 11.1 | 0.59 | 10.9 | 2.1 | 0.3 | 2.6 | 3.6 | 15.3 |
1996 | Allen Iverson | 37 | 7.9 | 16.6 | 0.47 | 4.3 | 4.4 | 2 | 0.7 | 4.9 | 23.7 |
1995 | Joe Smith | 29 | 5.4 | 11.4 | 0.48 | 6.4 | 0.7 | 1 | 0.6 | 0.7 | 13.1 |
1994 | Glenn Robinson | 27 | 5.9 | 14.6 | 0.4 | 4.6 | 1.3 | 0.7 | 0.3 | 4.1 | 15.3 |
1993 | Chris Webber | 32 | 6.9 | 14.3 | 0.48 | 10.4 | 3.1 | 1 | 2.7 | 3.7 | 15.4 |
1992 | Shaquille O’Neal | 36 | 9.7 | 16.9 | 0.58 | 16.7 | 1.4 | 0.9 | 3.3 | 4.4 | 26.7 |
1991 | Larry Johnson | 29 | 4.7 | 10.1 | 0.47 | 9.3 | 2.1 | 0.6 | 0.7 | 2 | 13.3 |
1990 | Derrick Coleman | 32 | 5.4 | 12.6 | 0.43 | 10 | 1.6 | 1 | 2 | 2.4 | 14.6 |
1989 | Pervis Ellison | 18 | 1.9 | 5.9 | 0.32 | 5.7 | 1.3 | 0 | 2.3 | 1.9 | 4.1 |
1988 | Danny Manning | 32 | 5.6 | 12.7 | 0.44 | 6.1 | 2 | 0.9 | 1 | 2.6 | 14.7 |
1987 | David Robinson | 35 | 6.6 | 13 | 0.51 | 13 | 2 | 1.4 | 3 | 3.7 | 21.1 |
1986 | Brad Daugherty | 30 | 3.7 | 8.4 | 0.44 | 8.4 | 3.1 | 0.6 | 0.7 | 3.1 | 9.9 |
1985 | Patrick Ewing | 40 | 8.3 | 18 | 0.46 | 9.4 | 1.7 | 1.4 | 1.7 | 4 | 21.7 |
1984 | Akeem Olajuwon | 8.6 | 15 | 0.57 | 20 | ||||||
1983 | Ralph Sampson | 8.9 | 17 | 0.52 | 21 | ||||||
1982 | James Worthy | 6.4 | 13.7 | ||||||||
1981 | Mark Aguirre | 7.7 | 18.9 | ||||||||
1980 | Joe Barry Carroll | 5.6 | 13.4 | ||||||||
1979 | Earvin Johnson | 7.1 | 19.3 | ||||||||
1978 | Mychal Thompson | 7.7 | 19.7 | ||||||||
1977 | Kent Benson | 3.3 | 7.7 | ||||||||
1976 | John Lucas | 4 | 9.4 | ||||||||
1975 | David Thompson | 8.6 | 23.9 | ||||||||
1974 | Bill Walton | 6.3 | 16 | ||||||||
1973 | Doug Collins | 2.4 | 6.3 | ||||||||
1972 | LaRue Martin | 2.3 | 4.9 | ||||||||
1971 | Austin Carr | 7.6 | 18.3 | ||||||||
1970 | Bob Lanier | 5.9 | 15 | ||||||||
1969 | Lew Alcindor | 11 | 27.7 | ||||||||
1968 | Elvin Hayes | 12 | 27.3 | ||||||||
1967 | Jimmy Walker | 3.9 | 10.3 | ||||||||
1966 | Cazzie Russell | 2.4 | 6 | ||||||||
1965 | Fred Hetzel | 1.1 | 2.9 | ||||||||
1964 | Jim Barnes | 5.1 | 12.4 | ||||||||
1963 | Art Heyman[n] | 5.1 | 14.1 | ||||||||
1962 | Bill McGill | 2.4 | 6.6 | ||||||||
1961 | Walt Bellamy | 10 | 28.3 | ||||||||
1960 | Oscar Robertson | 7.4 | 22.7 | ||||||||
1959 | Bob Boozer | 4 | 9.6 | ||||||||
1958 | Elgin Baylor | 8.6 | 23.9 | ||||||||
1957 | Rod Hundley | ||||||||||
1956 | Sihugo Green | 1.9 | 6.6 | ||||||||
1955 | Dick Ricketts | ||||||||||
1954 | Frank Selvy | 2.4 | 7 | ||||||||
Year | Player | MP | FG | FGA | FG% | TRB | AST | STL | BLK | TOV | PTS |
(Note, no per game stats were kept before 1953)
What about recent notable busts?
Year | Player | MP | FG | FGA | FG% | TRB | AST | STL | BLK | TOV | PTS |
2011 | Jan Vesely | 14.5 | 1.3 | 2.3 | 0.56 | 2.3 | 0.1 | 0.9 | 0.4 | 1 | 2.7 |
2010 | Wesley Johnson | 27 | 3.9 | 10.4 | 0.37 | 3.4 | 1.9 | .9 | 0.3 | 1.7 | 10.6 |
2009 | Hasheem Thabeet | 6.1 | 0.3 | 0.6 | 0.5 | 1.6 | 0 | 0 | 0.9 | 0.4 | 0.6 |
2008 | Joe Alexander | 10.6 | 1.3 | 2.9 | 0.45 | 2 | 0.7 | 0.3 | 0 | 0.7 | 3.3 |
2006 | Adam Morrison | 31.9 | 4.6 | 12.7 | 0.36 | 2.6 | 1.4 | 0.9 | 0.3 | 2 | 13.1 |
(Admittedly the jury is still out on Vesely.) Only Hasheem Thabeet approaches Anthony Bennett when it comes to scoring futility. Thabeet only scored two field goals in his first seven games, of course he only attempted four.
Perhaps Bennett is unfortunately mired in an awful shooting slump that coincided with the beginning of the season. These things happen. The Wall Street Journal covered this possibility last night. Here’s a list of worst shooting first 21 shots since 2002.
The scary thing about this list is that only three player on it became decent NBA rotation players: Mike Dunleavy, Marko Jaric, and Demarre Carroll. That’s a 33% success rate.
Let’s take a look at another example using Basketball Reference’s streak finder. Let’s see if we can find streaks where players played at least nine minutes and only scored one or fewer field goals. Here’s the list. Bennett’s current streak is at 6 games for that streak. Fortunately, there are some decent offensive players who’ve been that bad for six games in the last five years: Eric Bledsoe, Boris Diaw, Zaza Pachulia, Mario Chalmers, Steve Blake, Thabo Sefolosha… but the list is primarily made up of defensive specialists. Only about 15% of the names on that list would be considered average or better offensive players.
My point with all this? There’s lots and lots of statistical variance in a seven game, 74 minute sample, but Bennett’s scoring woes for the beginning of his career are unprecedented for a player of any level in the NBA over the last 10 years, let alone the first pick. Very few players ever put up numbers this bad in any stretch and later turn out to be decent offensive performers.
It’s fair to look at more than just the shooting. Bennett’s 20.6% defensive rebound rate is good for a rookie, but his 7.2% offensive rebound rate indicates how out of shape he is. He isn’t out-quicking people to the ball, thus preventing him from getting an occasional easy put-back. Additionally, Bennett had only one rebound in four of his seven games. Bennett’s six steals and only one turnover are a nice sign, though the turnover number is probably due to the ball flying toward the basket some random spot on the backboard as soon as it gets into Tony’s hands. Only one assist in 74 minutes would also be troubling, but I have seen Bennett make some nice passes that led to guys getting to the line and seen him notch some “hockey” assists. The non-shooting numbers are not awful. For any other rookie in his first couple weeks of NBA action, they’d just be considered noise.
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I have heard a massive number of excuses over the last week or so about Bennett’s abysmal shooting numbers. It’s true that Anthony Bennett has exercised poor shot selection. 11 of his 21 shots are threes, where he is 1-11. It would help Bennett an awful lot if he was able to park his bottom by the basket, carve out some space and try to score: much like he did in the preseason when he had a 14 point fourth quarter explosion against Orlando. What worries me, is that few of his half court buckets in preseason came from attacking the basket. They came from pick and pops and post-up jumpers. Bennett has only gotten to the free throw line four times in 74 minutes. The man seems averse to getting easy buckets.
In AB15’s defense, the Cavs horrible execution of the pick and roll, and their general offensive putridness also hasn’t helped Bennett — or any of the bigs so far this season. The offense seems designed to get mid range jumpers for guards and pick-and-pop jumpers for forwards. Rarely have I seen the pass delivered effectively to the roll man, or even anyone rolling. Often, the guards are crossing over in front of the screeener or attempting to split, thus preventing the pick-and-roll from being executed. This cuts down on lay-ups, free throw attempts, and offensive rebound attempts for the big men: all sources of higher percentage scoring opportunities.
Another excuse: that Bennett is coming off injury and has been newly diagnosed with asthma and sleep apnea. He is obviously very easily winded and still over an ideal playing weight (I’m being nice). It is easy to blame Bennett for being out of shape, but the team deserves significant blame too. Was there any attempt Bennett on a diet and exercise plan to mitigate these problems in the summer? If these health issues are the legitimate reasons that Bennett was playing so poorly, the Cavaliers have done him a massive disservice by not holding him out of games and rehabbing him till he is ready to be effective. But the Cavs have a well respected medical and training staff. If he was not ready to play, they would have shut him down. Right?
And if the health issues are that big of a deal, why didn’t Chris Grant and Co. take them into account when they made Bennett the No. 1 pick of the draft? The Beacon Journal’s beat writer for the Cavs, Jason Lloyd was on ESPN Cleveland, WKNR yesterday talking about these issues, and it’s clear that he has a lot of access to the Cavaliers. “He’s never been coached,” is the term that Lloyd used to describe Bennett more than once, and it seems to be another go-to excuse as to why Bennett is struggling so much. Bennett was also described, despite the previous lack of coaching, as being a lot farther along than Mike Brown thought he’d be defensively.
“I don’t have to produce right away. There are a lot of other young talented players in my position that can help me along the way, so I’m just here for the learning experience. Later on in the season, hopefully I can do my thing.”
The Cavs seem to have put it in his head that he doesn’t need to be good “right away,” which seems to be a ridiculous way of saying, “it’s o.k. if you keep doing stupid stuff.” The road to mediocrity is paved with lowered expectations.
“He’s pressing” is another excuse I’ve heard ad nauseum. If he’s pressing, then the Cavaliers spent a number one draft pick on a player who has problems with confidence and his mental approach to the game of basketball. The top pick can’t just be the player that a team’s management thinks is the most talented. Being the top pick comes with pressures and expectations that the player drafted must be mentally tough enough to live up to. Anthony Bennett seems to be struggling with this.
These observations beg the question: why did the Cavs spend a top draft choice on player with asthma, weight, and confidence problems; who’s never been coached; who they have lowered initial expectations for; and who Mike Brown didn’t think would be very far along defensively?
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Could Anthony be the biggest bust in NBA history? Yes. To avoid that fate, he will have to overcome the worst ever start of any number one pick and one of the worst starts, at least as far as shooting is concerned, of any rookie, ever. The odds don’t bode well. Players this bad usually stay bad. The one thing Cavs fans and Bennett can take solace in, ironically, is that the Cavs are so bad on offense, they’re bound to improve. They have too much talent not to. (They’re currently 29th in the league). When this improvement happens, it will help Bennett as much as anyone else. Anthony Bennet is already a statistical outlier for rookie NBA futility. Hopefully, AB15 is also an outlier in his ability to improve his game.
Wow. What a fantastic article about the worst number 1 pick in the modern day NBA. I’ve always believed Coach Brown to be better than half of the NBA coaching staff, but upon further review, the numbers don’t lie! This kid is as bad as perceived. He looks lost on the court with or without the ball. Worst of all, it makes the choice to bring Bynum in worthy of overlooking. It’s like the Cavs are trying to remain at the bottom. Irving! Get out now while you’re still healthy and let these sad ass administrators and owners sink with… Read more »
Count me in the apparently vast minority that thought this was a well-researched, informative article with interesting statistical research. So what if Nate wasn’t a fan of Bennett pre-draft? He never said Bennett is the biggest bust in NBA history; he simply posits that it is possible based on the start to his career. I still have high hopes for AB as many of you do, but this article didn’t come across as trolling at all to me. The comment section often does though…”Nate should NEVER EVER write another article again because I DO NOT agree with him. I only… Read more »
So, a lineup of Irving, Waiters, Bennett, Thompson, and Zeller would give up 120 points a game.
Can’t edit that directly… but I’m sure you know I meant he should play in the weak 3 spot… and not be used exclusively as a 4.
I actually support the Bennett pick… what I don’t support is using him exclusively at the 4 spot. You’re a team looking to solidify the SF position, and drafted a guy #1 overall that could possibly do that – if the head coach hadn’t refused to use him in that role. But wait… why suggest using him in the 4 spot when all he’s doing is throwing up bricks? It takes a sharpshooter… a Kerr-type player… to be able to come in and hit shots when you’re only seeing a couple of minutes per game. Bennett is no Kerr… but… Read more »
T is right on. I don’t remember any 1st overall pick that had less responsibility than what Bennet has. How many minutes is he even averaging? Take that into context. It’s not even because he’s bad it’s because he’s behind two legitimate border-line all stars in Tristan and Andy. Bennet is out of shape right now and not nearly in the condition he was in college. I doubt there are a lot of plays being run for him. People, and by people I mean Cavs fans, need to get off Bennett’s back. It’s honestly ridicolous that he’s receiving this much… Read more »
Rodney Mac is exactly right. It’s not about him starting off bad. There are other factors making you a busy. Oden is a huge bust but played great when on the floor. Bennett is certainly not the biggest busy ever, at least there is no evidence yet.
I don’t think that even if he does incredibly poorly that he can go down as the biggest bust in NBA history. For you to be a bust there have to be players selected afterwards that do great. And Olidipo MClemore and Carter Williams have all been decent but I don’t see All-Star games in any of there futures let alone 1st team or 2nd team NBA selections. That is why Darko to me is one of the biggest busts in sports if not the biggest. They coulda had Melo, Wade or Bosh all of which might won them a… Read more »
In the off season following the Cavs Finals run in 07, Mike Brown went overseas to work with a few Euro coaches in order to formulate an offensive philosophy. Meaning Mike Brown didn’t even think about what KIND of offense he wanted to run for 2 full seasons. It’s clear he hasn’t drilled or installed a lick of offense with these kids, and everyone’s offensive numbers are suffering because of it. Bennett doesn’t know how to properly seal his man on the post, and rarely gets post feeds. He takes horrible angles when he rolls, and is very indecisive with… Read more »
I thought this article was well researched and provided a good dose of reality for those of us still trying to rationalize the Bennett pick. While there is nothing wrong with hoping that Bennett will overcome the odds, there really is no disputing that based on what we have seen so far it is highly unlikely that he ever becomes a good player in the NBA. I think that’s pretty clear from this analysis and since it looks at rookies all the way back to the 50’s over their entire first season I think that complaining that it’s a small… Read more »
That sequence where Bennett missed shot from about 4 feet, got his own rebound, and then missed a standing two handed dunk with no one within five feet of him? Oy. At least he followed that up with a 25 foot brick right. It’s never good when 3-11 raises your shooting percentage.
I don’t think he’ll be a bust of epic proportion. Bringing it on D (a new D scheme vs NBA pros) can sap your energy and then you are flat on Offense. Plus he’s playing mostly SF instead of the other way around. But if he’s still vastly out of shape or still recovering from surgery he should sit and get those issues taken care of. That said, a lot of the team doesn’t seem “ready” whether its being in shape like Bennett, Bynum, and Andy or adjusting to Brown’s style like Kyrie. I’m hoping the Cavs record is manageable… Read more »
Tom – The hypothesis Nate is advancing is that 71 minutes is sufficient to provide meaningful predictive power for an entire career. The fact that he made a list of other #1 picks first 7 games does nothing to test that hypothesis. A decent starting point for his question might be to use a very large sample of NBA players with say 7+ years in the league, and then try to build a model that predicts each players career production per minute in a metric of interest as a function of other factors, one of which was his production in… Read more »
This makes me wonder if were are getting trolled.
Don’t be like FOX News and go for a shock and awe title filled with meh information. It is disheartening to know that this blog is going to bang on ‘st weirdo’ incessantly and ten throw in flamebait like this.
Bennett hasn’t been good, we all know. To ponder if e is the biggest bust of all time in this short of time is ridiculous. A couple years in? Ok. 7 games in? Makes you look
If I am the owner or GM, I want the coach developing the best team possible, not designing the offence to make Nate happy.
There will no doubt be coaching and GM openings in the NBA this year. I suggest Nate apply, since he is the one who knows it all. About $10M/year should be about right.
After 7 games, yeah he’s been a bust of epic proportions. Olapido or McLemore look like much safer options. Bennett has talent and he can’t possibly get any worse. As out of shape as he looks, I think his struggles have had a snowball effect and it’s more mental now. Hopefully he gets over it.
Agree that the coaching staff hasn’t done him or the team any favors with their absolute lack of focus on offense.
Tom, that foul in four seconds thing still wouldn’t be noteworthy even if your scenario were true because it bears no meaning on a career, however “unprecedented.” Being an unprecedented event doesn’t make something noteworthy. In a statistical sample size as small as 21 shots it is STILL meaningless. Because, as stated above, Kobe has I’m sure gone outrageously cold at times, as have all other players. People talk about it at the time because the cold streak itself is the extreme outlier. What do we have career-wise on Bennett? A pretty stellar college career and a pretty decent preseason,… Read more »
Bennett is 4-32 to start his career.
Bennett shot 3/11 tonight, and in doing so probably doubled his FG%! Hooray!
You can look at it that way. But Nate’s not leveraging the small sample size of Bennett’s season to make his point, he’s leveraging the rather LARGE sample size of NBA #1 draft picks over their first 7 games. In other words, had he done this after the FIRST game, it would be a lesson in futility. After all, check out Yao Ming’s first game. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200210300IND.html We’d look at the list, see Yao Ming had a stinker in game one and go “yeah, so what? He turned out pretty awesome.” But it only took 7 games for this feat to… Read more »
And his last paragraph starts with “Could Anthony be the biggest bust in NBA history? Yes.”.
Even if you are right and he really was just discussing his bad start and used a trolling headline, it’s still beyond dumb. Discussing worst ever starts after 21 shots is stupid. It is the equivalent of looking at an NFL players first game, saying it’s the worst start in NFL history and projecting how horrible his career will be based off it.
Nate’s opening paragraph concludes: “It’s worth exploring: has any NBA No. 1 pick ever started this poorly?”
This is very well-researched, insightful article. I would have titled it: “Has any NBA No. 1 pick ever started this poorly?”
Nate choose a more tantalizing title – which I’m willing to get over (begrudgingly, as I’ve been a huge fan of the Bennett pick since….well read #4 here https://cavstheblog.com//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////?p=18367).
Bennett is 1-1 in the first quarter tonight. Extrapolating out to the rest of his career based on these minutes, he will be the first player every to shoot 100% from the field!! Best #1 pick ever.
Tom- are you honesty going to say that the difference between the worst start ever and the biggest bust ever is “slight”?
Are you really going to blame the backlash that comes from an article calling a player with 7 games, 71 minutes and 21 shots under his belt the biggest bust ever on the petty readers and commenters?
Johnny says:
November 13, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Honestly, if this article [did something slightly different], I don’t think anybody would have a problem with it.
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The most important stat of all: he’s taken 21 friggin shots in his career. 21. That’s Kobe’s second half. He’s 19. Let’s not put our lips around the barrel just yet fellow cavs fans. The kid is gonna be alright.
7 games in…..im done reading with this blog
Nate, First, you have to look at who was realistic for the #1 pick. You have to eliminate all point guards and realistically power forwards too. That takes out MCW. Also Wolters was a second round pick, discuss him at 19 maybe but no where near 1. Adams was viewed as a reach at 12 so you can eliminate him too. KCP wasn’t viewed near the top pick either, he was in his range. If you want to talk Oladipo or McLemore fine but many eliminated them too because either they wouldn’t start or we’d have to bench Dion. Niether… Read more »
Amen to Josh and KJ!
It’s OK to not be a fan of a prospect, but to talk about “biggest bust in history” after 71 minutes is, literally, retarded.
Whether true or not, Nate, this post makes you look like you are intentionally trolling so you can get a big reaction in the comment section. In that sense, the post is a success.
Yay for making the conversation dumber! Yay for trolling!
It’s funny how many people equate asking a question and providing information related to said question with making a statement.
Honestly, if this article was called “Could Anthony Bennett’s Start Be the Worst in NBA History” and the body was exactly the same, I don’t think anybody would have a problem with it.
It’s obviously too early to say he’ll never be any good, but it is certainly not out of line to take the kid to task for being straight up terrible so far. And I’m all for criticizing the way the Cavaliers as an organization have handled him.
To early to say he’s a bust he was injured all summer and he hasn’t gotten many minutes with the cavs, the kid has got talent hopefully when he gets back in shape he will be more productive
Bennett might be good. However, Nate is right. He is utterly and historically awful right now. Doesn’t mean he will be a bust; however, the bust potential is definitely there.
Whether he is or not wasn’t exactly the point. You, at that time, thought he was a troll and still loved him being on the podcast. For your sake, I hope that making a claim as giant as calling someone the biggest bust in NBA history after 76 minutes played is trolling and the fact you liked Raab being on while thinking he was a troll makes that suspicion stronger. For what it’s worth, I do think you are a very good writer. Which is why I know you are smart enough to know 76 minutes tells us NOTHING, let… Read more »
Josh, I actually apologized personally to Raab for that comment. It was out of line. He’s not a troll.
It’s funny that Adam Morrison is one if the most notable faces on the mural. Wasn’t he the rookie of the month his first month in the league?
Making this post after a month would be ridiculous. Making this post after seven games and 70 whatever minutes is so dumb it’s almost funny. You almost hope it’s a troll post and that he’s not really this dillusional. Not that trolling your own readers would be smart, but Nate did admit Raab was a troll and they still have him on.
More Kevin articles. Less Nate garbage.
I loved Adams in the draft but Nate, would you have taken him number one? Does he benefit at all in playing with the players on OKC? I mean, this is a ludicrous comparison! Come on…
he can’t hit a jump shot right now, yet he is being used largely as a pick and pop player.. until bennett gets a chance to play inside more (or at least play some other role rather than that of a pick and pop player) i think it’s ridiculous to consider whether he will be the biggest bust in league history.
Steven Adams’ .224 WS/48 puts him in the top 15 in the league, btw.
“Tearing up the league” is what you claimed. NONE of the players you listed are doing anything close to that description. Good god, this is just like the TT/Dion were the “wrong picks” arguments. TT is playing better than Konas, Dion is playing better than Barnes, yet the national media and far too many Cavs “fans” believe the exact opposite despite, ya know, the actual evidence. To a person who can maintain some semblance of rationality, it clearly looks like the last two draft classes are going to take their time developing. I would also point out all the hype… Read more »
This sample is ridiculous.
None of these players played as few minutes as Bennett.
How is he supposed to get any rythm after no basketball all summer and only 11 mins a game?
Thought this was a very well-researched and balanced article. Very much worth reading. Thanks. By the way, as someone with apnea, I can tell you it matters not at all to how you play basketball. By the way, any good reason for someone with such good foot speed to lope down the court at a nice leisurely pace? Maybe getting to sit and, hopefully, feel some fairly acute embarrassment will help him with entitlement issues.
Steven Adams, MCW, Nate Wolters, KCP, and Ben McLemore, (in that order) are all playing pretty well for their respective teams in terms of WS/48. Adams, in particular, looks like a real find. Oladipo is certainly putting up volume numbers, but his turnovers are really holding him back. This is most probably a byproduct of Orlando stupidly trying to make him a point guard.
I think it’s a fair question to ask, I’m just skeptical that his stats (particularly shooting %) mean a whole lot at this point. That WSJ graphic in particular seems meaningless.
It’s not just that Bennett’s game is a mess, it’s that he’s not showing the game we saw in college or even the preseason. If he can get back to that, he should be successful, and that’s why I’m optimistic. It seems like a coaching or conditioning issue (or both), and those should be fixable.
The low number of minutes seems like a big part of it. 11 minutes / game is just not much time to do a lot. If you look back at other guys with few minutes: Andrea Bargnani 10 2 4.9 0.41 2.1 0 0 0.4 0.7 4.7 Yao Ming 14 1.9 3.4 0.54 3.4 0.6 0.1 0.4 1.1 4.3 Kenyon Martin 14 1.9 3.4 0.54 3.4 0.6 0.1 0.4 1.1 4.3 It doesn’t seem as far off. Still, at this point it doesn’t look good. However, as long as he stays healthy and his confidence doesn’t get totally shot, I… Read more »
I liked Bennett well enough leading up to the draft (think I ranked him 5th), and won’t change my mind after 76 minutes. As a person that didn’t like Bennett leading up to the draft (which Nate is), clearly this start supports those feelings. Bennett is clearly out of shape…perhaps he should go to the D-League and play 35 minutes per night…and use a rowing machine and lift weights on the off-days. Just beat the crap out of himself for six weeks until he is physically fit enough to be an NBA player again. He hasn’t shown the explosiveness he… Read more »
The only rookie tearing up the association is mcw and he wouldn’t have half the stats he has now if he were with the Cavs
Seven games… Nothing more to say.
Bonus points to anyone who can name all the players in that mural.
It’s a fair question and a fair post. I think many are wondering how his start compared to other (historically) bad starts. The non statistical glaring weakness I see is complete lack of confidence. In his limited touches he either looks to shoot immediately or get rid of it immediately. Anyone who has ever played pickup basketball knows when someone on the court is scared and the other team begs them to shoot. My question is how much face to face time does CG et others get w these prospects to make a call on these intangibles? Second, any value… Read more »
James: I’ve been thinking about this point all morning. I hope the Dunleavy correlations are fortuitous.
David N, Cleveland did pass on talent that is “tearing up the league,” but that’s a story for another article. As to your question, “How can a guy succeed if people are writing articles calling him the biggest bust in NBA history two weeks into the season,” if all it takes to prevent someone’s success is to write articles about them, then there’s a lot of other people I need to start writing articles about. Your question plays right into my thesis. If Bennett can’t deal with the pressure and criticism that comes with being the number one pick, then… Read more »
This statistical analysis feels pretty weak to me. I think if you looked at the relation between shooting percentage on a player’s first 21 shots in the NBA and their long-term success, you’d find a lot of outliers on both ends. It seems ridiculous to draw sweeping conclusions using such a small sample size. And in this situation, the only player comparable to Bennett in terms of talent and draft position is Dunleavy, and he turned out to be a good shooter.
I seriously have no idea why everyone is so critical of this article. He’s looked like utter s**t. And as fans shouldn’t we be a little upset considering there were loads of better options? I can’t remember a top pick ever looking this s***ty. It’s looking like Thomas Robinson 2.0
Nate,
Did you forget your medication?
This is why Nate’s articles should always be ignored, or preferably disappear.
I don’t care what nonsense “stats” were used for this garbage, debating whether a player is the biggest bust in NBA history seven games into his career – a career that started with zero summer playing due to injury – is just stupid. There’s no other word for it.
I believe, perhaps foolishly, that Bennett is going to be a beast, eventually. It’s clear he’s out of shape and overwhelmed but he’ll work himself out of it and start throwing down some monster dunks. It would be great to archive all the negative comments being made about him for future fun. I want to see him on the floor at the 4 with Andy at the 5, I feel like that will help teach him the game, it did wonders for TT last year. Anyway, I’m optimistic about this team for the following reasons: Dion- Improved stats in rebounding,… Read more »
Come on, this is rediculous. How can a guy succeed if people are writing articles calling him the biggest bust in NBA history two weeks into the season. You also make it seem as if we passed on some great talent tearing apart the league right now. The guy is working back into shape and will definitely turn things around. Also he was held out of the game Monday due to injury.
I see 3rd pick in the draft, Mike Dunleavy, started out 3-23.
I must say…stats aside he really does look better on defense than most rooks do. In fact, he looks more at hom eon defense than Kyrie and Dion do in their 2nd/3rd years respectively. It is well documented that it wasn’t only the cavs office that thought he was more talented than the majority of the draft. Stats mean little if he’s really determined to get better. Stats are for predicting large groups of people. They don’t hold sway over individuals and their decisions, nate.