TRADE ALERT
2013-01-22
Nothing is imminent yet, It has been done! the Cavs have traded Leuer for Marreese Speights and Josh Selby. Picks may or may not be involved.
Someone talk Kevin down from the ledge.
SECOND UPDATE: As Pete was kind enough to point out, Jones has been sent to the D-League – NIX THAT! Looks like Jones is coming back.
THIRD UPDATE: Looks like Pargo has been waived. Looking at a very different roster after today.
Agree Nate Smith on Pargo. I was sad to see him go. He had some super highlights this year when he started. But the inconsistency bug got him and getting kicked out of rotation didn’t help. I hope someone picks him up and he thrives. Cavs sure did rid players in a short period of time. Harangody, Sloan, Leuer now Pargo.
This phrase from Kevin made me laugh:
“Leuer potential”
The potential to play the most absurdly terrible post defense in the NBA?
Bryon Scot is a hard a** i think he could open up cousins eyes to show him what he could become if he works hard and stops messing around. Kyire and Dion would both flourish with a big who can shoot and rebound….. kyrie or don drives to the basket if nothing is open pass out to the other for a corner three or dump it off to cousins for a mid-range shoot while tristan inproves his defense and Gee can be a lock down defender then just fill in the pieces after that…Grant needs to do what he can… Read more »
kyle… couldnt agree more, just believe having a anthony parker or a jamison would have been good on this team especially if the cavs try to seek cousins. i think kyrie would be a great influence, along with varajeo but i dont think either have the magnitude of a career to open his eyes. i could see a spurs next year make a trade for him, and obviously the celtics. tho i like thomas robinson, and i dont think itll take much to get him if they do sell the team.
Dion may be more suited as a 6th man……
Alex..god point on the picks but now that we have so many picks a team like the Kings may be looking to gain some the Cavs should take avantage of this and do their best to get Cousins off the Kings who may be looking to restart since Tyreke Evans may look else to play this summer.
I continued to be impressed with Grant and co. Why everyone around him media-wise acts like chicken little, he stays the course of being smart and flexible. Kudos to Gilbert too who now looks like the antithesis of what his “rep” is in the media, esp the national media.
Shelby is garbage but Mo and Ellington can actually help this teamnand overall we got a clear talent upgrade and a future pick while remaining very flexible ala the cap and whatnot. What’s not to like?
great trade, its almost robbery… makes up for the losses that the lakers pick which we will lose now and the kings pick, which i doubt we will ever get cuz of the state of the organization and pending sale.
Nate,
Just a hunch, but I think Dion will end up playing point off the bench. My guess at the second unit:
C – Speights
PF – Jones, now that he’s back
SF – Walton. Scott isn’t giving Casspi playing time.
SG – Ellington
PG – Waiters
I feel bad for Jeremy Pargo. He could be a good player. He has the tools. He just needs to put it all together. losing your job to a backup point guard who can’t shoot is tough.
this griz pick may work out really well….By the time this pick comes to the cavs they could already be a contending team and with the pick it could push them over the hump to top team
So the CtB internal discussion is whether we should look to move Speights before the deadline since he has a player option for next year and could opt out. I was thinking Boston, but there’s not a lot of contracts there I’d like to take back. Thoughts?
I’m glad if anyone can explain these picks (now and newer acquired). So many loopholes with… “Well that pick really belongs to T-wolves so you have to wait 2 years and then Cavs get but only if it falls between X and Z and the stars and moon lines up with Saturn and then maybe 3 years after that. You may call me dumb but in reality most people out there don’t understand all the loopholes and addendums.
Kyle, why should that be noted? the pick isn’t getting traded now, and that pick has nothing to do with the current article or any of its comments, and the lakers still have half a season to go.
Should be noted that as of now, we aren’t getting the rights to switch one of our first rounders (likely the Heat pick) for the Lakers first round draft pick because it is currently within the first 14 picks. (God it’s good to see them suck this badly, though.)
Just a note to all those who missed it, Mallory wrote a good piece this morning on the laments of Cleveland fandom. https://cavstheblog.com//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////?p=16719 It got buried by the trade news, but it’s worth a quick read and a longer rumination.
@ TV63
Was thinking the exact same thing.
Read it Cody. I guess if they’re mad that’s good for us. Unlike the Casspi trade where Sac fans were cheering.
Excellent article Cody
Here’s something interesting, the Grizzlies blog on the trade.
http://www.3sob.com/uncategorized/this-trade-is-bad-and-the-front-office-should-feel-bad/6153/
From NBA.com “The Cavs will receive Memphis’s first round draft pick in the first available year (which is two years after Memphis has satisfied its current pick obligation to Minnesota). Starting in 2015 the pick could be conveyed to the Cavaliers. The pick is protected one-five and 15-30 in 2015 and 2016 (meaning the Cavaliers would acquire a 6-14 pick) and the pick is protected one-five in 2017 and 2018. If the pick has not been conveyed by 2018, it becomes unprotected in 2019. ”
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/releases/trade-130122
I guess the pick isn’t necessarily in 2015. From ESPN – Brian Windhorst: “The pick is the most valuable part of the deal for the Cavs because it has protections that would send Cleveland the next pick the Grizzlies have between picks 6-14 this season and 2016, making it a likely lottery selection. It is the sixth first-round pick the Cavs have traded for since 2010. The Grizzlies owe the Minnesota Timberwolves their next non-lottery first round pick over the next three seasons as part of a previous deal. The Cavs would get the Grizzlies’ next lottery pick, as long… Read more »
What I understood was that it is #6-14 in 2015 & 2016, then top-5 protected in 2017 & 2018.
Don’t know if anyone caught the details but it looks like it is a #6-14 from this season thru 2016. Wow
He picks it up based on how Scott uses him for the 2nd half of the season and what he thinks his market is ( Sessions anyone?). So no sure thing.
he has a player option after this year
Why wouldn’t we keep Speights?? HoopsHype says his contract goes through 13/14.
Cavs now have six 1st round pics and seven 2nd round picks from now until 2015 they need to start cashing in on all these extra picks
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bazlsa9
WOO! +1
Or that might have been an error – thinking that Jon Leuer was still on Milwaukee or something? I dunno. Here is from 10 minutes ago.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8868058/memphis-grizzlies-cleveland-cavaliers-agree-multiplayer-trade-sources-say
i would prefer to keep TT he has shown a ton of improvemet this past month but i do think this is the year we see Grant pull the trigger on something huge so with that in mind i wouldnt mind giving them Zeller
Someone just tweeted that Josh Selby is going to Milwaukee. So maybe this trade is more complicated than we are aware right now
Kyle – love the idea – we’d probably have to include TT or Zeller though. And take back something like Salmons.
Cousins for Luke Walton , heat/laker 1st rounder, Cavs 1st next year and this new griz pick…what do you all thinkg about this
Chris Grant reaffirms his status as the best sports exec in Cleveland. Not sure what we will do with all these first rounders but Byron obviously wasn’t using Leuer so hardly a loss.
This trade is great for the Cavs. Both guys address needs; more depth, needed skill sets, maintaining the cap flexibility. Speights and Tristan have different strengths and hopefully make them a productive pair . Speights is a shooter/floor spacer but weak defensively but a tremondous rebounder. Hopefully he flourishes in extended minutes. I could see him being a the third big man on a really good team. Hopefully the Cavs and he can make progress towards both sides of that scenario. Ellington is growing into top tier shooter and from what I’ve read is a good defender. Seems like a… Read more »
@EvilGenius – I doubt they are available. The trade isn’t even finalized yet.
SwIrving,
I suppose. Hopefully, Jones isn’t there for too long. Would rather see Speights and Jones as the second unit front-court.
Wonder if new guys will be available for tonight’s game?
Love the trade. Especially since all three guys coming in are young (25 and under) and not old, broken down slow vets that take up minutes that should be reserved for players who can grow. Speights may not be a defensive stalwart, but he’s got a nice PER. Ellington looks like he can light it up if he’s got someone to pass him the ball (Cavs def need more spot up three ball guys), and Selby is a 21 year old project/relative unknown. All that AND a first rounder. Kudos to Grant on very shrewd move.
Is there a market for Speights this year? A contender looking for a big man that can rebound and score a little off the bench? I believe he must be traded straight up (1 for 1) because he was just required, but couldn’t there be a team with an extra wing, but lacking size that might trade for him?
Scuzz, Walton was getting minutes over Jones before, its no wonder why Jones was sent to the D-League before him.
Walton’s not done playing yet, but at least he won’t be our first big off the bench (God I hope)
Grant need to start packaging all these 1st round picks into a great player one like a Cousins, or Love.
Why does everyone assume Speights is out ofter this year? Hoopshype has his contract next year gauranteed… or are they missing something? http://hoopshype.com/salaries/memphis.htm
@ Mallory
It would have been nice, but really no chance of the Cavs getting him. The point of the trade for Memphis was to keep him.
I’m a little surprised about Jones being sent to Canton. Looking at the roster, it’s still needs a PF/C to come off the bench. I wonder if Scott could put Casspi at the 4. He’s pretty thin for that, but he is aggressive. Put him in, let him go fight for some rebounds.
Agreed Hot Sauce – total no brainer.
Also, trade machine says we’ve now added one more win! http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aeou7j3
Wow. I think we all may be over-analyzing a no-brainer, small impact trade.
Leur was not playing for us, so we parlayed him into a big guy who can protect Zeller’s minutes for the remainder of this year (very important – TZeller is about to have a heat attack out there), a 1st rounder in 2015, and a couple of pieces that may or may not be in our long-run plan. What’s not to like?
HAHA Aksel – that literally made me laugh out loud.
Sample of what it would’ve said “The Grizzlies absolutely fleeced the Cavs. Stupid idiots (except Kevin Hetrick) had no idea how amazing Leuer is. A++++++++”
Would’ve been fun to read the Hollinger analysis on this trade …
@ Tom
Probably. but considering it’s a 2015 pick, who knows how things could change.
@pete – more like a 20-30 pick if you ask me. Memphis is a very good team.
Witmi I completely agree – something for a guy who played minimal time and was clearly not a part of the future is awesome. I agree, he’ll hopefully package many of these assets for something big. That’s what we need right now.
It’s too bad we couldn’t somehow get Gay. That would’ve blown my mind.
Mallory, 1st rounders are valuable as assets, Chri Grant’s goal to accumulate as many assets as possible in the hopes to package them to improve the team.
Also, we gave up John Leur, I wouldn’t have cared if they cut him from the roster, let alone turn him into 2 upgrade players and a 1st rounder.
also, THIS TRADE MEANS NO MORE LUKE WALTON MAYBE EVER.
Didn’t we find this out last year? The cost of a late 1st rounder is around 6 mil.
But I’m cool with that. As long as we package them.
I’m positive they can turn Leuer into a rotation player. But I am still skeptical that they can do anything other than “try to hide him” on defense from what I read about him when we picked him up off waivers. Even if he can develop, it seems like he wasn’t going to do it with the Cavs for whatever reason, ala the Danny Green situation. Either way, we basically picked up a bunch of salary for what will likely be a 10-20 pick in 2 more years. That’s a fleecing as long as it doesn’t make us good enough… Read more »
So, the cost of “buying” the Memphis 1st round pick is on the order of $5 mill? And, assuming that Speights and Ellington aren’t retained beyond this year, we get Selby (or waive him) for Leuer?
That’s the long-term. The short-term is much nicer, as we add at least 1, maybe 2, rotation guys to make the rest of this season much more palatable.
I assume this is related, Jones to the D-League yesterday: http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/releases/jones-assign-130121
HOLLINGER!!!!! Wow – he does a salary dump and I GUARANTEE you they are going to turn Leuer into a rotation player. But I’m happy with this trade. Cavs don’t know how to use Leuer (or choose not to) – so basically they got something for nothing. Kevin, congratulations – we all know the real reason why this trade happened. Hollinger listened to our podcast yesterday. When I brought up his own scouting report he suddenly remembered how promising Leuer was in his rookie season and couldn’t understand why he was waived after such a good season. So now he’s… Read more »
It’s a nice trade for the Cavs. Hopefully this is one of those trades where a young player puts it together by being on a different team. God knows the Cavs have been on the other end of that trade a few times with Hickson, Green, and Shannon Brown.
So Speights plays backup C (I would imagine), Jones at PF. For now, I would think they keep C.J. starting, and have Ellington come off the bench. It’s possible they have Dion play point. Maybe not a great outside shooter yet, but he can create for others.
Love the trade, but with the glaring question of – if we don’t resign Ellington or Speights, our net is a first rounder, right? Isn’t the last thing we need right now more first rounders?
But again, it’s not like Leuer was doing anything for us. It makes us better in the short term, and, depending on how things move from here, the long term too.
What I THINK will happen is we’ll eventually try to flip some of these pieces for a bigger name in a larger trade. But we’ll see…
Sweet deal. Grant using that cap space wisely. Its not a blockbuster, but I’d much rather see speights out there than Lueur/Walton. And a 2015 first round top 5 protected pick thrown in? Wow Memphis sounds like they are on their way to Sacramento if they are that desperate to save money.
ok first rounder definitely sells me. Not like it was bad to begin with!
I live in a world where we traded a guy who can’t get off the bench for two players that are probably better than him, a project, and a first round pick. Boooooom
UPDATE:
FTS reporting we received their FIRST ROUND PICK top 5 protected.
LOL, do work Chris Grant.
Also, I like this trade, Leur is a dumpster fire on defense and we already have enough of those.
With the Cavs presumably drafting another big this year, we had 0 room for Leur.
Can Speights play interior defense at all?
Witmi,
Every indication is no, that Speights is a poor defender. He shoots well and rebounds. He’s made like 47% of his long twos in the last couple seasons. Hopefully he helps spread the floor and converts some Kyrie / Dion assists on pick & pops.
Ellington can shoot, making 39% from three for this career. Having him standing in the corner when Kyrie or Dion drives will look better than Walton or Gee.
They are both players with very low assist rates, so they won’t help the team’s ball movement. Shooting is more important than passing though.
I’m sure Pargo and Jones are out the door.
Selby under control for a few years (if they want him) but Speights has a Player option and Ellington a QO. Not sure those guys are coming back or if the Cavs want to pay to bring them back. The picks might be the only thing around after this season but not a huge loss only giving up Leuer and cutting D-Leaguers.
I do know Selby was a top recruit coming out of high school, though to say he wasn’t very good in one season at Kansas would be an understatement. Speights is just a solid big guy off the bench. To also get a 2nd round pick out of this, and only giving up Leuer to get this, is an awesome trade. Now the Cavs have 3 second round picks correct?
I don’t know anything about these players, but Leuer doesn’t play at all, so this has to be an upgrade.
Actually I am fine with this trade. Low risk. I liked Leuer, but even in my opinion, he obviously wasn’t make or break to the re-build. Cleveland obviously had no use for him, and maybe he will get some burn in Memphis.
Wayne Ellington is apparently part of the deal also? Do the Cavs have another player involved or are they waiving someone? Seems like there are still a few questions to be answered. Ellington will add a solid shooter to the mix.
It’s also interesting that Leuer was 14th on Hollinger’s draft Rater in 2011. Now Hollinger works for Memphis. This is definitely a salary dump for them, but Memphis’s front office may be intriqued by some Leuer potential.
Also, this is the exact kind of trade I’m totally cool with. Decent young guy, reasonable price. Only problem is he almost definitely hits the free agency this year since there’s going to be quite a bit of money flying around.
Totally down with this.