Let’s finish this…Historical Comparisons to the Possible #1 Picks
2013-05-30Note: The disjointed nature of this post pretty ably reflects my ability to make sense of the first pick.
Having looked closely at Ben McLemore, Victor Oladipo, Otto Porter and Nerlens Noel, my draft board for the Cavs says:
- Noel
- Porter
- Oladipo
I am not excited about it though. Noel’s size, athleticism and production are worthy of the first pick, but I can’t get over the two knee surgeries. And honestly, whether the Cavs do or don’t pick him, I’m not sure there will be a lot of room for future “I told you so’s”. What fan will legitimately be able to say, “I knew what would happen with his left knee”?
But enough of that…I need to find an answer. I populated my “parallel universe simulator” with the thousands of requisite variables, then let it churn on hundreds of networked computers throughout the course of the week. The hoped-for output: the answer to the question of “which selection will help win the Cavs win the most games over the next ten years?”
But before talking about that, let’s look at one more comparison, this time for Trey Burke (maybe there will be an Anthony Bennett or Alex Len article next week). Here is Burke’s line:
5’ 11.75” barefoot, 6’ 5.5” wingspan, 187 lbs, 29.5” no-step, 36.5” max, 11.2 agility, 3.16 sprint. Age 20.6 at draft time. 121 orating on 29 usage. 46 / 38 / 80. 50 / 31 / 18. dreb% = 8.7. stl% = 2.8. ast% = 37.2. blk% = 1.5. A:TO Ratio = 3. Pure Point Rating (PPR) = 6.34.
Short and fast with good length. Features a resume of sterling production. NCAA Player of the Year as a sophomore? Check. The second-best PPR in draftexpress.com’s extensive 2013 database? Yep. The 121 offensive rating, combined with 29 usage, against the NCAA’s fourth most difficult schedule? Awesome. A run to the NCAA final? Icing on the cake.
Here’s the comparison:
Player A – 5’ 11.75” barefoot, 6’ 4.25” wingspan, 178 lbs, 32” no-step, 38” max, 11.09 agility, 3.22 sprint. Age 20.1 at draft time. 123 orating on 23 usage. 45 / 47 / 83. 40 / 28 / 32. dreb% = 12.3. asst% = 33.8. stl% = 3.9. blk% = 0.0. A:TO Ratio = 2.4. PPR = 4.76.
Similar for size and athleticism, Burke’s efficiency stats bested his slightly younger counterpart, including PER of 29 versus Player A’s tally of 25. The comparison guy snagged more rebounds and steals. This is Chris Paul his sophomore year at Wake Forest. Mimicking 2005, could Nerlens Noel be this draft’s Andrew Bogut*, the injury prone defense-first big man? And Ben McLemore fills Marvin Williams role as the athletic freshman that never meets expectations? All the while, no one is paying enough attention to the guy who couldn’t stretch six-foot tall in socks, then Trey Burke takes the NBA by storm from the 4th or 5th slot?
Probably not, but Burke had an excellent season and at a similar age, measures up very well with the game’s best point guard. I am going to talk great about him, flail failingly at driving his stock up, all in a misconstrued attempt to raise the value of the first pick. NBA GM’s…keep your eyes on this trinket…you are getting very sleepy…Trey Burke and Nerlens Noel are future stars…the first pick is extremely valuable…
Because ultimately, I feel like punting on the first pick. On the spectrum of thirty NBA’s teams current tolerance for risk, I’ll assume the Cavs fall in the middle. They are still young and building, but there is a definite desire to see signficant improvement next year. So in this hypothetical “risk aversion ranking”, there are many teams willing to roll the dice more than Cleveland. Teams willing to take the potential franchise center with the health issues, coupled with a desire to tank in 2014. There could even be a team that decides Trey Burke is a superstar and wants to snag him before Orlando does. Six weeks ago, David Thorpe was already advocating for Burke at the top of the draft.
I know every GM is saying they aren’t interested in the #1 pick, but surely a handful are lying. Maybe there’s a really great trade lurking out there somewhere; I won’t even hypothesize further on for what or whom.
But wait…”ding”…the timer went off on my “parallel universe simulator”. And the long awaited results, of one-million alternate realities, over the next ten years:
- The Cavs draft Noel 527,000 times.
- The world only ends 69 times during those scenarios (never directly because of the Cleveland / Nerlens thing).
- Across these runs, the team averages 44 wins per season, peaking at an average of 65 and bottoming out at 29. Best case scenario, they win seven titles.
- The Cavs draft Porter 132,000 times.
- The team averages 45 wins per season, peaking at average of 61 and bottoming out at 33. Best case; four banners get raised.
- The Cavs trade the pick 244,000 times.
- Lebron comes back…I’m going to keep those results secret though.
- In 247 parallel universes, Nick Gilbert is elected Mayor of Cleveland in the next ten years.
- Even more shocking, twice the Lakers relocate to Cleveland, due to rising oceans.
- And most amazingly, once in a million realities, Chris Grant quits as GM to live his dreams as a tour guide in the Andes. The Cavs:the Blog writers are named co-GM’s of the Cavaliers. On draft night, after much thought and deliberation, we send Nate up to Commissioner Silver with our selection. A dynasty awaits! To our shock though, Nate submits an alternate card from his back pocket…Kelly Olynyk!! We gasp!!! The world does end in this scenario, directly linked to the Cleveland / Olynyk selection.
Well, I’ve lost my way. Give me a break though…five articles in a week wears me out. Lots of options with the #1 pick; four more weeks until it becomes reality.
*Remember Bogut made All-NBA Third Team one season, and lead the league in per-game blocks another year.
C Vucevic
PF Noel / Thompson
SF Harkless
SG Waiters
PG Burke
. . . and a lottery pick in 2014.
All those guys will be 24 or younger (I think). That’s what you can do when you trade an elite player like Kyrie.
Whoops – left Harkless out of the SF position.
That leaves us with –
C Vucevic
PF Noel / Thompson
SF
SG Waiters
PG Burke (Chris Paul – right?)
Once you get Vucevic, Varejao becomes very valuable trade commodity (he is untradeable until we have a veteran post). Orlando will make us throw in Varejao instead of Zeller here.
Of course, the success of this scenario is entirely dependent upon Burke = Paul.
We retain this year’s 1st pick and gives us the flexibility to pick anybody there – or trading down a couple of spots and adding any of the same players we’re already looking at. But I personally like the thought of a Vucevic, Noel, Thompson front line for a decade.
How about Kyrie, Tyler Zeller, and #19 for rights for Trey Burke, Vucevic, Harkless (or Afflalo) and the right to swap 2014 1st rounders next year?
Let me go “tongue-in-cheek” like the parallel universe simulator –
If Trey Burke = Chris Paul, then do you trade Kyrie Irving for rights to pick Burke, . . . plus a potential 2014 lottery pick, and other picks/players?
Kevin – I agree with you there…but the reason why people like to make the Beal/Waiters comparison is because of position. Personally, I was not very high on Barnes before the draft and was glad to see him not picked. I was higher on Drummond than some people…and would not have minded having him last year. I didn’t know anything about Waiters prior to us drafting him, so I was shocked initially. Personally, I think the Cavs did the right thing. Even if Barnes manages to have a good career down the road, Waiters was the right fit for this… Read more »
J Hill – you can actually do the research yourself on shooting splits. Go to basketball reference, find the player. When you start looking at their season stats, there’s a bar just above it that has several drop down issues. One says “Splits”. Waiters was 50-162 (for a 30.9% 3) Pre All-Star. He was 13-41 (31.7%) Post All Star. The remarkable jump came in his FG% (overall) as he went from 39.6% to 45.8%. Despite playing less MPG, he actually upped his PPG. Beal made a big jump though. He went from 39.5% FG and 36.5% on 3 to 47.1%… Read more »
Also, the real comparison doesn’t need to be between Beal and Waiters. Most people liked Beal better before the draft, and he wasn’t available when the Cavs picked. The real match-up is Waiters versus Barnes.
@Bumsquare I found it funny that in college Waiters actually shot better from the 3 point line than Bradley “Second coming of Ray Allen” Beal. I would like to see their stats from after the all-star game because that was around when Waiters limited himself to only one random fade-away 3 point shot a game and started shooting much much better.
J Hill,
In late April, I posted an article that included Dion’s Waiters from January 1st through March 18th (his injury). That article is here: https://cavstheblog.com//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////?m=201304
During those 33 games, his PER was 16.3, his offensive rating was 104, and his usage 26.6. Reasonably solid numbers for a 21 year old rookie. If he can play that way all season next year, I will be content. If he can play slightly better than that, we should all be excited.
You compare him to Chris Paul… and maybe he matches as far as height/weight/speed, but Chris Paul’s amazing because of his court vision and ability to make mediocre players around him seem great… Trey Burke is a shoot first offensive minded PG.
Ahmed,
They averaged the same amount of assists their sophomore years. Burke was 12th in the nation in assists per game and 11th for assist to turnover ratio.
Not about the number 1 pick, but the 19th:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba–houston-rockets-trying-to-trade-thomas-robinson-to-free-up-cap-space-for-run-at-dwight-howard-215915027.html
Kevin Jones and the number 19 for TRob? At 19 the cavs would basically be looking at a rotation player at best, why not roll it over for last year’s number 5? Can he and Tristan play together? I’d give up kevin jones and the 19th (rudy gobert? nogueira?) for the chance that Mike brown could make it work
I agree, if we can get a quick Burke historical reference we deserve Bennett too. I have loved him but I don’t think he’s for us. I cannot wait to see him play live, seems like a physical specimen.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=bealbr01&y1=2013&p2=waitedi01&y2=2013
Shockingly similar!
From Kevin Pelton’s chat:
“KJ (Kent)
It seems Waiters had a better rookie year than Beal yet the national consensus seems to be the opposite. Based on the numbers, why is this?
Kevin Pelton (4:30 PM)
Well, my numbers say Beal had the better year, so …”
Is this the same KJ that posts here?
@CavsFan8888
McGrady’s name appears on a lot of 10 ten lists of NBA players whose careers were ruined by injury. None of them mention an ACL tear for McGrady, but they do mention ACL tears for other players. That’s why it comes up on Google. Anyways, I concede the point that some players haven’t recovered well from ACL surgery, so it doesn’t matter.
Like this one:
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-nba-careers-cut-short.php
Or this one:
http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/10/the-25-greatest-sports-careers-ruined-by-injury/
About Porter: Does anyone think we could use him in a point forward role on occasion?
Jon, I’d say that is more a matter of muscle tone/genetics. Some people are probably more prone to it. I know I come from a family that has lots of aunts and uncles with knee problems, and I’ve had my acl done as well as another scope.
I feel like knowing Chris Grant’s unpredictability with draft selections, Kevin’s articles have all but guaranteed that we trade back to select Anthony Bennett.
@jon- McGrady’s name popped up in an article when I googled “nba players who have torn an ACL”
I don’t know much about this, but does tearing your ACL make you more likely to tear it again? I know that happened to Michael Redd.
Remember Leon Powe? He was never the same. He could barely get off the ground.
@CavsFan8888
I never said Noel would definitely be okay, just pointed out that other players have recovered from ACL tears. Of course, some players haven’t.
Regarding Tracy McGrady, if I’m not mistaken, his career went downhill after microfracture surgery, not a torn ACL. Though he was ravaged by all kinds of injuries.
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2261
The best article on age and ACL tears. The older a player it is, the harder it is to come back. It bodes well for Nerlens that he’s so young.
@jon- by the way, I’ll start your list: Tracy McGrady
Superstar and face of the Houston Rockets for years suffered an ACL tear and returned, yes, but was never the same and now he is barely a benchwarmer.
@Kevin, Vesus, CavsFan888, etc
Point taken about his knee injuries. I’m a bit worried about it myself. The question is the degree to which it is a risk. That’s something none of us know for sure. I agree with those that are most comfortable trading the pick, if there’s a good trade to be made.
@Venus- I agree with you about the maturity thing. Sometimes a knucklehead needs to be humbled, and a trade can do that. Kyrie is the best on the Cavs an will be even if Cousins was on the roster. So now Cousins would be humbled knowing he’s not the best on the team. Mike brown may not be a Phil Jackson, but he isn’t a push over, he would bring Cousins down more. At least enough to see that by not being such a knucklehead, his stats go up, thus starting the maturity process. @Jon- my challenge for you is… Read more »
The other thing I noticed about that list, Kevin, of the players on that list whose games relied on elite athleticism, only Corey Brewer and Iman Shumpert seem to be on it, and Brewer sucks.
“Are their any examples of a European player that play good defense…” AK47, the Gasol brothers, Michael Pietrus, Manu Ginobili (good system defender… not as good now as in the past), Luol Dieng, Marco Bellineli (has learned this under thibs), Ricky Rubio, Serge Ibaka (Spain), Andres Nocioni, Tiago Splitter (brazilian but developed in Euroleague), Fran Vazquez (probably the best Euro player never to play in the NBA), Arvydas Sabonis, Detlef Schremf, Ric Smits, Zaza Pachulia… I think the notion that Euros can’t/don’t play defense is pretty thoroughly debunked at this point.
@ Jon
I’m actually more worried about the cracked growth plate in high school; I’m no doctor so I don’t know how valid this is, but I’ve read that the injury was never given enough time to heal properly and may have contributed to the torn ACL this season.
Hey, I hope the knee checks out fine and all my concerns are baseless. Would be nice to have a defensive game changer in the middle.
Vesus and I repeated each other.
@Ben F- the Cousins trade stemmed from a podcast I watched from the sports authorities of the Plain Dealer. I feel the Cousins is too much of a risk because of his character, however out of the 3 big men I have heard float around has possible trades for the #1 (Cousins, K Love, L Aldridge), I do feel like he would be the most obtainable. Flip Saunders is mending the burnt bridges with Love, and Aldridge has a ROY PG to work with now, so the Wolves and Blazers won’t part with there players (at least not cheaply). I… Read more »
“People do grow up, but bad knees don’t regenerate.”
Not saying that Noel will definitely be okay, but it’s not out of the question.
Players who have recovered from torn ACLs:
Al Harrington
Al Jefferson
Baron Davis (before he entered the NBA)
David West
Jason Smith
Jamaal Crawford
Corey Brewer
Bonzi Wells
Kendrick Perkins
Kyle Lowry (in college)
Ricky Rubio
Iman Shumpert
Waiting to see on Rondo and Rose.
Jon, Josh, etc.
Maybe I am over-complicating things, but isn’t saying it’s just an ACL injury over-simplifying things?
This is his second surgery on the same knee. He has missed significant portions of the two of the last four seasons because of that knee.
Have any of those players on the list had two surgeries on the same knee in four years?
I realize that there would be some risk in trading for Cousins, but you guys are talking about him like he’s some stiff who can’t play. There’s no question about his talent or his ability to stay healthy…just his maturity. People do grow up, but bad knees don’t regenerate.
Cory Hughey – the thing is…trading for Cousins…you’ll wait to extend him until the next offseason. There is absolutely no benefit to the team in extending him right away. The player also has virtually no leverage in this particular portion of the process. The team that owns his rights is the team that can give him the most money.
Another point in the Noel/Cousins debate. If you eff up on Noel, you can get out of his contract in two years. If you trade for Boogie and sign him to a new contract (winging it over $13 million a year), you’re stuck with it. Memphis blew the Thabeet trade badly, but they had a get out of jail free card coming. Golden State handcuffed themselves for years with the Bierdins contract.
@Vesus – the thing is…if we use one draft pick on Noel and he busts…we’re out one one asset. If we use multiple assets (picks and players) on Cousins and he busts, we’re out multiple assets.
Then there’s the possible poison effect he has on our locker room.
@ Nate Smith
Exactly. Zeller and Andy play center until Noel is ready. Robinson backs up TT.
It kind of depends on what they give up for Robinson. I see the Cavs rebuild as a blend of OKC and Houston. Grant has had premium draft picks and has been stocking up the bomb shelter as well. I wouldn’t be against them trading 19 or one of their future picks for Robinson. He had a terrible rookie season, but plenty of bigs have had terrible rookie seasons. Assets are assets. Robinson could get pushed by Thompson in practice. Noel is going to miss the first half of the year anyway. Run Zeller and Andy at center and Thompson… Read more »
@ Ben F
It may well turn out that Cousins is a total headcase and never reaches his potential. It also may turn out that Noel’s knee is permanently injury prone.
Personally, if the cost is simply draft picks, I would rather take a chance that Cousins grows up (hardly an impossibility) over Noel staying healthy, bulking up, learning offense, etc.
Except Robinson can’t play center. He’d be a fine backup 4 I guess.
@ Nate Smith “As for Thomas Robinson, he’s completely redundant. He definitely could have some value for a team. The Knicks and Suns could both use him. Cavs could probably give up a future first rounder for him easily, but that front court is getting awfully crowded then.” Well, if they draft Noel, he’ll sit for the first 1/2 of the season. Speights is probably leaving. Robinson could come off the bench. If he pans out, he could be a trade piece for later. Seems like a low-risk investment, if you’re not giving up much in the way of draft… Read more »
Are their any examples of a european player that play good defense… Outside of a couple centers… Pekovic, Asik?
Vesus – The Kings wanting to keep Cousins doesn’t change anything to most of us on the blog. The problem with Cousins was never his talent. It was his head. If a new ownership group says he’s worth the risk, then he’s worth the risk. For them, they are almost guaranteed 4+ more years of him (because it’s highly unlikely that he passes up his next contract with the team that drafted him.) If he doesn’t show improvement, they can still flip him later. Other teams can still convince themselves that he’s in a bad place in Sacramento…with or without… Read more »
Yeah, Karasev has his flaws, but he’s at least better than Saric who was simply awful in the Adriatic this year. Saric is a poor man’s Jan Vesely. If Karasev could defend, he’d be a lottery pick. Like a lot of guys, he’ll fill out and play defense with the right coaching. As for Thomas Robinson, he’s completely redundant. He definitely could have some value for a team. The Knicks and Suns could both use him. Cavs could probably give up a future first rounder for him easily, but that front court is getting awfully crowded then.
If the Mavs are trading their pick, we should be in as good a position to get it as anyone. What Nate Smith said: “I’d rather have a big with an ACL injury than a big with a foot injury.” I understand the love for Karasev when you watch him on the offensive end of the floor. Looks like a poor man’s Otto Porter to me. But agree what Adam said: “I don’t think he will be able to defend anybody at this level.” Anybody. Are we saying that Trey Burke could be the Damon Lillard of this draft? Or… Read more »
Underdog,
Knight had a 108 offensive rating on 27 usage. His pure point rating was negative his freshman (only) year. He also collected a lot fewer steals than Burke, let alone Paul. Knight was bigger and more athletic, and a year younger than Burke is now.
Whereas Paul and Burke’s size, age, and production were pretty similar in college, Knight is more in line as a prospect with the Rose, Westbrook, Wall group. Certainly a notch below those guys, but the big, athletic, less point-guardy type of point guard.
@David, I obviously agree… Shabazz after all the negatives surrounding him he still has at least a 5 percent chance of being the best player in this draft…
For everybody who says that Bazz is small… he is pretty much the exact same size as Alonzo Gee… I respect that Gee is a slightly better athlete
Gee: 6′-5.25″ in socks 6′-10″ Wingspan – 225 Pounds
Bazz: 6′-4.75″ in socks 6′-11″ Wingspan – 222 Pounds
I was mentioning a Noel/Shabazz pairing a few weeks ago here. I really would like to see that. Its obvious why I want Noel but Shabazz is another story. I’ve been infatuated with the guy all year. He came in as one of the two best prospects by a long shot but he fell do to many reasons, no small part of the credit is due to Ben Howland. The guy makes great players look good and good players look meh. Shabazz coming off the bench would be a weapon. He might not be able to start and play a… Read more »
I’m beginning to like the idea of just drafting nerlens, sitting him for a year, sucking for a year, getting wiggins, and just dominating the NBA for the next decade after that. ONE MORE YEAR OF SUCK!!! We will miss Mallory Factor after he goes crazy/moves to the amazon, but maybe it will be worth it.
Damn this draft. Glad to have #1… but damn.
Rotoworld reporting that the Kings are not interested in trading Cousins. By the standards of most commenters here, this means he is a better player than Noel. As I suspected.
Its interesting because Grant is such a stats guy… I’m thinking we will end up making a move for Olidapo or trading to another stats guy that wants Burke…
Anyone take the time to think of how much more valuable the #1 pick would be if all those kids didn’t go back to school, damnit Marcus Smart was reportedly one of the Magic’s #1 targets. Even though they know we wouldn’t pick him, they still might want to make a trade with us so that we wouldn’t trade the pick to anyone else.
I believe shabazz is much better then both, this blog seems to have a nice hard on for Karasev but im totally undersold, i dont think he will be able to defend anyone on this level… Slight, Unathletic, and Slow feet dont usually lend themselves to any kind of defense, Bullock will have as hard a time dribbling as D.J. Augustine did last night, or for a Cavs comparison… Alonzo Gee level ability in that area Both are better shooters then Shabazz, who is not a bad shooter… esp from the corners, but every other capacity of the game i… Read more »
Can someone retrieve my comment from the comment monster? Thanks
Thanks Kevin, this has been a fantastic series. That is kind of crazy how burke matches up to paul pretty damn well… So do we draft him and move kyrie to the SG? I haven’t thought of Burke too too much because of Kyrie, but it really wouldn’t surprise me if he ends up the best player in the draft.
Link to rumor
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba–houston-rockets-trying-to-trade-thomas-robinson-to-free-up-cap-space-for-run-at-dwight-howard-215915027.html
@ Adam I’d be surprised if Paul left LA, even if he is angry. The media might be exaggerating a little anyways. Now if D. Howard leaves LA for Houston, that wouldn’t surprise me. Speaking of Houston, rumor has it that they are trying to trade Thomas Robinson to clear cap space for Howard. Does anyone else think he’s still got a chance to develop? I think he didn’t got much of a chance in either Sac or Houston. The Cavs shouldn’t give up a ton for him. But if they’re willing to trade him for non-guaranteed contracts (C. J.… Read more »
Is he Adam? I’m not sure. Hopefully the drop will motivate him. As for Boogie Cousins… The Cavs simply don’t have the strong personalities needed to keep a nutcase like that in check. You need a Garnett, a Chris Paul, a LeBron, a Jason Kidd, a Charles Oakley, or a very strong willed coach like Tom Thibodeau. The Cavs already have one borderline guy (Waiters — it could be he’s just competitive, or he could just have a knucklehead in him). The old rule is that you can have one knucklehead in the locker room as long as he’s not… Read more »
and with Shabazz Muhummad’s Stock dropping like a stone, and Dallas shopping their pick, I think the cavs could grab him at 12… I know all the negatives, but hes still better then Karasev, Bullock, and the rest of the Sf’s
@Cory – I know CP3 and LBJ are friends, but i doubt LeBron would trade one aging guard with a knee problem and a lot of miles for another middle aged superstar with a knee problem and a lot of miles
CavsFan888 – please don’t ever do something like that. A trade like that might work in NBA2k13 (or whatever video games kids are playing these days) but it won’t be nearly as effective in real life. Cousins was the “defensive anchor” on the team that gave up the 29th most points. Why would you give up our best post defender and additional assets for a guy who doesn’t play defense? Especially when interior defense is our biggest issue? I would honestly rather take my chances on an ACL injury (that a LOT of basketball players have had and recovered from… Read more »
I’d love to see an Anthony Bennett comparison.
I still kind of like Len. I wouldn’t take him at 1 or even 3 but before the lottery i just kind of assumed he was the guy Grant would take at 5 if that’s where they ended up.
Do any of these scenarios have Byron Scott going to LA to coach the Clippers then returning to coach the Cavs three years later?
Cory Hughey,
I almost had a scenario about B. Scott…I forget what direction I was headed though. Let’s go with “In one of the two scenarios where the Lakers move to Cleveland, Byron Scott is their coach, and the Cleveland Cavaliers face the Cleveland Lakers in the NBA Finals; an epic battle against their jilted former coach…”
You fill in the rest.
Kevin, Food for thought. Maybe once before the draft, you give everyone an opportunity to transition from the speculation phase to the “This is what C. Grant will do” phase. It has to be specific to the roster and includes all the variables i.e draft, free agents and trades. The target is what the roster will look like at the beginning of the season, and what specific steps did Grant take to get there. We really are not operating blind. We have a clear indication of Grant’s core values i.e maintaining flexibility, thorough analysis and scouting, the importance of leverage,… Read more »
I could be reading too much into the future, but if Chris Paul goes to Dallas this offseason, Lebron could join him in 2014.
Hey Kevin,
In how many scenarios do the Cavs trade the #1,#31,#33, and Tristan Thompson to the Kings for DeMarcus Cousins and the #7? And then after that how many times do they take Alex Len at #7 instead of Anthony Bennett? Or instead trade for LaMarcus Aldridge and the #10?
The other 100,999 have to be LeBron returning to Cleveland. You didn’t obsfucate your statistics well enough, Kevin! Anyway, I would not take Kelly Olynyk #1. My pick would be Oladipo, though I’d prefer to trade down to 5 and pick up Gortat and Dudley. At 5, Oladipo might still be there. Though there’s the nightmare scenario of Alex Len or Bennett. Would five be too soon to take Gobert?
Nate,
The stress got to you in the co-GM scenario…plus it was really hot in the auditorium that day.
Kevin, you really need to get on that simulator seriously. The eye test with Noel is great, but so was the eye test with guys like Oden and Bogut, I think its all in Grant’s hands and I’ve given up, I officially don’t have a favorite. I trust him.
@Kevin
Things like this are fun to mess with… Adding up all the times we drafted, it comes out to be 899,001 out of 1 million. What happens in the rest of those?
And yes I did notice the disclaimer. This is all in good fun.
And this recent article was hilariously entertaining!
Kevin, I’m surprised you’re into “the numbers” so much. As impressive as your statistical analysis is, I think your thought processes and insight are even better. Looking primarily at numbers when evaluating talent is overly simplistic. When thinking about football – teams with great pass defenses frequently give up 5.0 yards a carry – so teams run against them. QB’s with bad stats have no line . . . or bad receivers. Or RB’s with 3.3 ypc may have no line, or face 8 man fronts because of no passing game. I mean, there’s got to be something to it… Read more »
Underdog,
I obviously like “stats”, but understand that relying solely on them can be a drag to read.
Regarding Kyrie though, and I think almost everyone overlooked this at the time because of the injury / low sample size, but his offensive rating was 131 with usage of 27. That’s just stupid. The “numbers” definitely said, “damn…kyrie is ridiculous.”
Were there any of those sample universes where basketball didn’t exist, or the Cleveland Cavaliers, or the lottery, or any of the top prospects? Just saying that would throw things off. And also, are there any where Porter/Vic O have career ending injuries?
Well, the parallel universes started from the day of the draft, so basketball always existed, as did the Cavs.
Ummmm…Oladipo’s career ended in less than five years in 36,342 scenarios. For Porter…27,119.
(Disclaimer: I have not actually developed a parallel universe simulator.)