Cavs trade for Spencer Hawes
2014-02-20
There are not a lot of details, but Cleveland has dealt two second round picks for Spencer Hawes. In order for salaries to work, other players must be involved. Hawes is a 25-year old, floor stretching center. He is a free agent after this season. Cavs:the Blog will update as more is available.
Update: Apparently Earl Clark and Henry Sims are included in the deal, along with the two 2014 draft picks. Through the years, oftentimes I have wished that the Cavs would do more with their second rounders, due to the great value those (typically non-guaranteed) contracts provide if the team finds a gem…or they could stash a few Euros. If no other deals are made and Andy is healthy, the frontcourt is very packed with Varejao, Thompson, Zeller, Bennett and Hawes. Perhaps there is another deal coming, or Varejao is going to be out for a while. At the moment, I am neither excited or upset about this trade.
Can I wait to have an opinion until April?
Mallory: were you going to give Evan Turner a $9 million qualifying offer to keep him? That’s even worse than letting Deng walk. Sometimes you take a chance: this year the chance is keeping Deng and seeing what happens, rather than downgrading to get a dubious value “asset.” You’re the one who always bagged on Grant for valuing assets over players who can play. You seem to be bagging on Griffin for doing the opposite of what you bagged on Grant for doing. Time to see if the Cavs can keep growing with the group they have. If Deng walks,… Read more »
Mallory, the risk of Deng waking has ALWAYS been there and sorry but Turner is a FA at the end of the season, too, is he not? How is that better? Oh and unlike Deng, Turner is ball-dominant. We don’t need that. At all.
Much more than unloading Jack, I hope we’re seeing more of the Jarett Jack that we thought the Cavs were getting at the beginning of the season. Jack has been light years better in the starting lineup, and I am excited for the play to keep up. As for Zeller, this six game win streak has coincided with his improved play. I’m really liking what I am seeing, and I’m starting to think: this is the guy they thought they were drafting. I’m very glad that the Cavs FO resisted any major moves. I’ll be happy to see how this… Read more »
Seriously, KJ? Would you rather see Luol walk for nothing? Evan Turner is a facilitating SF who has (some) range and defends. He’s not a superstar, but he’s a great role player.
I wonder which rumours are false versues just deals that didn’t get done. I think a lot of teams talk about potential trades and most of the rumours have truth to them, but so many variables and other options seem to be dterents from makning anything happen. As a fan, it can be frustrating to hear about a potential deal just for it to fall through. But also part of the fun to speculate.
I’m not a fan of the Hawes deal since it probably points to fewer minutes for Bennett and Zeller. Glad none of the reported trade rumors involving Deng to Washington proved true. As someone else pointed out, a lot of times it seems these rumors are just reporters making up crap. Case in point is Jen Berger. He (@KBergCBS) suggested that the Cavs were considering a Deng for Martell Webster swap. Webster sucks and is in the first year of a 4yr/$20M deal- why in the hell would the Cavs give up Deng (even if we couldn’t re-sign him) to… Read more »
And Mallory “Chicken Little” Factor weighs in with worst-possible scenarios. Classic! Haha!
Nate, surely you are not basing an opinion of a player on one or two games? I like TZ but he is best used in smaller doses…
This move just doesn’t seem like a big deal. This move probably doesn’t make us better or worse; it’s just shuffling some seats on the deck.
Well, the Cavs are clearly better after the trade deadline than they were prior. But part of me is disappointed that we didn’t do more for either long or short term. Some of the big names that didn’t get moved were Pau, Rondo and Deng. Where I think the Lakers and Celts were and are position to really be picky about who they deal with and when, I’m not sure that the Cavs have that same luxury with Deng. Will we see him walk and us not get anything in return for him? If that’s the case, then that will… Read more »
Did you watch the game last night, DC? Zeller altered a half dozen shots that game. He really played great last night, and his dunk? He’s super athletic. I feel like he’s just coming into his own. Glad the Cavs made no major moves. My only worry about the Hawes move is disrupting the Chemistry the Cavs have. Sorry to see Sims go for that reason.
I am pleased to see the Cavs turn attenion to the frontcourt. Not only is it not a “logjam” – Cavs frontcourt has been weak and thin. I wish we had a rim protecor. But I’ll take Spence. Despite good recent outings from TT and Tyler, Cavs have not been strong upfront. Even with Andy healthy, not enough firepower. One of the reasons (in addtion to immaturity) for Dion and Kyrie’s over-dribbling is that the frontcourt lacks scoring punch. Also lacks shot locking and rim protection, but that problem won’t ncessarily get better with Hawes. TT and TZ can run… Read more »
Finally reading up here. Kojo is DEAD ON about trading high. The fact is this deadline has the potential to blow up BIG TIME in the Cavs’ faces. I’m not sure what trades were out there, but, if the last few games end up being a mirage, there’s a chance some of the “improvements” we’ve seen from guys like Dion, TT, and TZ could fade. If their stocks plummet, the Cavs miss the playoffs, and big off-season moves are made, the team could again be selling low. Not saying I wanted a trade, but keep in mind that there’s a… Read more »
Like the Hawes move – they gave up nothing for a big with SOME talent.
In terms of minutes, I think Hawes will take some of TZ’s minutes in short run. TZ shouldn’t be playing 30 minutes a game for a bunch of games in a row – we learned that last year. Hawes give us nice depth to avoid that problem, and gives us different lineups with his ability to stretch floor. Once AV comes back, though, I wouldn’t be surprised if Hawes is odd man out.
KJ – agreed about not wanting to see the minutes cut, but IF and WHEN Andy returns, there has to be some minute-cutting.
Currently the Cavs have 5 bigs that are either first round draft picks or high salary players. Hmmmmm!
Also, why the heck wasn’t a Deng/Evan Turner swap in play? Same basic concept as Granger…
The only real concern I have is that Bennett *might* see his minutes cut. Hope I’m wrong on that. Really like the way he’s been playing lately…
Btw, he totally out-played Olidiapo last night…hehehe
Hawes is the player that Zeller can become in another year or two., We can have some intersting rotations with Hawes at the C and Zeller playing PF. Neither is great defensively but two 7 footers inside does make a presence for driving guards. Also, both of them together can help space the floor for our guards. Actually our only rotation big that doesn’t help space the floor is TT. Andy’s improved shot from the elbow and Bennett’s range sorta makes TT the odd big man on this team. As I stated before, the team never figured out how to… Read more »
Well I’m glad there was no Deng Ariza deal or something like that … That would have been dumb.
I love the Hawes pickup he and Zeller are similar players but Hawes is much better. They open up lanes for Rie and Wait especially since Thompson does the opposite of that. I’m glad they picked him up we are going to need all the help we can get in March as our schedule is RIDICULOUS then.
I’m actually pleased the Cavs made no other trades.
I’ll never believe another NBA source or rumor again.
I hope the incessant blogging about trades here is reduced by 90%.
Either a) Varejao must be more hurt than we know or b) Why not pick up a big the quality of Hawes when someone is willing to give him away?
Still time for a Deng/Ariza deal or a Deng/Webster deal (which gives us something longer term). Still 5 minutes left – just sayin
Hawes is definitely better than Zeller, but getting Hawes doesn’t mean the Cavs should get rid of Zeller. Zeller potentially has more value because the Cavs can keep him beyond this season, but it all depends on whether or not he continues to develop.
the comparison of zeller to hawes is unnecessary unless zeller is traded, and even then, the comparison has to include the *contracts*, not just the production. zeller, 2nd year of rookie contract. hawes, free agent next year. those are not unimportant details.
Too many folks over-rating Zeller and under-rating Hawes. Hawes is better. I’m sorry, he is and still only 25. This is a damn good trade…
I know there’s 30 minutes left to deal, but if the Cavs are done….I can’t believe the best the Sixers could get for Hawes was two 2nd rounders and bantha fodder.
The biggest benefit I see of Hawes over Zeller is that he’s a true outside threat and other C’s have to follow him away from the paint. This opens up lanes for Kyrie/Dion without having a 7 footer waiting for them at the rim. TT isn’t going to pull anyone away from the basket but will have to learn to help keep the lane clear with his body. Bennett has the ability to pull other PFs away from the painted area too. I really think this Hawes trade is much better for the team than most people give credit for.… Read more »
No one can be sad to see Clark and Sims go. Getting a skilled big man in return is a plus, especially given Andy’s health issues. Zeller for Bullock makes no sense, makes you wonder who comes up with this doesn’t it? The Cavs already have two outside threats, and one of them happens to be in Canton because he was getting absolutely no playing time. Bullock is no more proven than Sergey.
Hawes strikes me as a better version of Zeller.
Seems like a deal driven by worries over Andy’s health; word is he received a cortisone shot to his back yesterday.
Anyone else think that it could be that they were keeping Varejao out just in case they were going to trade him?
I really think Hawes deal has to do with AV’s health. He was supposed to day to day. After getting nearly a full week off at the All-Star break, he still isn’t back. Given his history, I have a hunch that he might be out for longer, and that MB and DG know they will need some depth if he remains out.
What’s wrong with the team that is on a 6 game win streak? I can’t believe they responded after that embarrassing Laker loss. Not a fan of the Hawes trade. Zeller has the heart.
Now is the time to trade Kyrie. And gamble on keeping Waiters. One of them has to go.
@ grover
“what exactly would Bullock provide that CJ Miles doesn’t aleady do?”
Only thing I can think of is rookie contract vs. resigning Miles. Although, I can’t imagine it would be THAT expensive to sign Miles again.
Also, it looks like the Zeller/Bullock trade is off now. T’Wolves calling about Jack.
The Zeller/Hawes thing is interesting if you look at it deeper. The two are the exact same size, and Zeller is only a year younger than Hawes. Hawes has more range, but I daresay Zeller is a bit more of a banger (that statement would have been laughed out of the room two months ago) after seeing the last few weeks. The biggest difference then, is that Hawes is in the last year of a $6mm deal, and Zeller is on his rookie deal with room to run. It seems to me that Hawes or Varejao might be in line… Read more »
Your right Kojo, Kyrie is exactly offensively talented enough to win the MVP of a game which requires absolutely no defense. I will relent that these past few games his level of hustle has increased 10-fold, he still sucks on D but at least he’s really trying. It’s almost like he realized hey, if I don’t want to give up tons of guaranteed money I’m not leaving, I might as well make the best of it.
JHill, You came back out of the shadows after Kyrie proves you wrong. We don’t have a 6’7 shooter sitting the bench, I assume you’re talking Sergey and he is playing in Canton. Bullock is a good player would help upgrade the team and stretch the defense openig up more lanes for Rie and Waiters and make for more made threes than just those from Miles because of it. I like Zeller a lot but one thing give noticed is that fans always want to sell low. Kyrie isn’t playing that well for a month? Trade him. Bennett sucks at… Read more »
Will be surprised if Cavs make another move… was expecting/hoping for something like this. In case you don’t already realize this: Always ignore trade rumors about the Cavs. They always make the move(s) that no one is talking about. Screw the national media clowns who are getting fed smokescreens and report to fans like they know something.
I’m happy with the Hawes deal. Cavs didn’t really lose anything of significance and you can’t have too much frontcourt depth. I don’t like the rumored Zeller for Bullock deal. It’s partly because Zeller has played so well recently (two weeks ago I wouldn’t have minded getting rid of Zeller), but it’s tough to trade a skilled 7 footer. Apparently the Cavs have discussed a Deng for Ariza swap with Washington. I don’t really understand that if it’s straight up, since Deng is the better player and both contracts expire after this season. If we can pick up a first… Read more »
I can’t say a Zeller for Bullock trade would bother me one way or the other. I consider Hawes a better version of TZ so we won’t be ‘missing’ what he brings. Bullock could be a nice addtion to the team as he’s a good shooter who playes well without the ball and is a willing defender. With his age and limited on court experience he’s yet another guy with potential. I see him as a bigger version of Bobbie – which isn’t bad, but not something to write home about. But should fit along nicel next to Kyrie or… Read more »
I mean who’s to say Zeller won’t be what Hawes is in another year or two?
If Zeller gets traded I’m going to be pissed. We could really build around him. He runs well, shoots well, has a lot of heart. He is the exact type of center the Cavaliers need to go forward with Kyrie and Co.
KH is right this is a solid move for the team. Hawes is at least Tyler Zeller 2.0 with his ability to hit 3’s every night and gets over 3 ast. Feel like this is exactly what Griffin was talking about with “getting the right asset at the right price”. What logjam? Cavs just got rid of two bigs and got one back.
2 1/2 hours left.
Good point. I forgot about SK.
We already have a 6’7″ shooter sitting on our bench getting no minutes.
I like of getting Bullock…not at the expense of Zeller though. I remember that Bullock was considered one of the best shooters in the draft. He’s not really seeing any playing time with the Clips. At 6’7, he could play SF.
Hawes defense is not atrocious. It is average to slightly below average. Learn to look at advanced stats. I can’t believe I am reading stuff like he is the same as Tyler Zeller and he will only provide two more wins. ONLY? Thats a lot over 30 games. Hawes is like 36th in the NBA in WARP.
Windhorst is reporting Cavs are talking about trading Zeller to LAC for Reggie Bullock. I don’t know a lot about Bullock but it doesn’t sound like a good deal to me.
Please tell me the rumor of Zeller to clippers for bullock is not happening please someone tell me even if you have to lie.
Only a fool wouldn’t like this trade. Check the stats Hawes with the Sixers has been a slightly above average offensive center and around avergage defensively is only 25 and you got him for only 2 second round picks and if you don’t like how he plays the rest of the way you can let him walk. Judging him based on play the other night is ludicrous the constant losing wears on you and players do occassionally mail in games in that situation. He right now is a better big then anybody on the Cavs roster outside a healthy Anderson.
Varejao & Hawes to Houston for Asik and . . . ? Then Houston ships Varejao somewhere for another piece?
Up to the minute twitter on NBA trades:
http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html
I like what Hawes adds in a vacuum….but now there is quite the logjam with Zeller & Varejao. I’d be disappointed if they traded Zeller, just when he was starting to show his promise.
Zeller’s been showing big long range potential. Don’t like this Hawes thing unless we turn around and ship him somewhere else. I sense there’s a LOT more brewing … and I can’t say I like it. (We might have to call our D League team up to Cleveland tomorrow.)
Gilbert’s playoffs or bust mentality this year is an EPIC display of stupidity. The team that lands the East’s 7 or 8 seed will still be in the bottom third of the league. We’re expecting the best draft class in over a decade and the Cavs are unloading valuable assets for a chance to miss out on the lottery and get embarrassed by the Pacers or Heat. We should be unloading Deng for a pick if we can get Phoenix to bite and we should be playing Bennett 30 minutes a game. And, candidly, Zeller has earned more time, too.… Read more »
We didn’t give up much for him and he certainlly adds depth – especially if AVs inury is more serious than we think, While I can’t say Hawes is a great additon, he seems like a smart one as both insurance with Andy and TZ still is far from ‘proven’. The biggest negative to me is we still don’t have a single starting quality C. With Andys’s health I don’t think a trade for Asik is still an option, but maybe another wing player is possible by trading either Andy or TT and using TZ as a back-up PF to… Read more »
Maybe flip Hawes for Asik? Can’t check the ol’ trade machine math since Hawes isn’t on the roster there yet, but I think it’d work, right? Asik’s cap # is 150% + $100K of Hawes’ salary, right?
Don’t know if Cavs want to do it, though I like idea of a real defensive anchor given the Cavs young backcourt. I’m betting Houston could use Hawes as stretch big off the bench, if it doesn’t work at least Rockets don’t have the pay out to Asik next year (Gilbert can afford it, man’s got mortgages & casinos)
ESPN is reporting that is is Earl Clark and 2 second round picks. I have no problems with this, good trade.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10488407/philadelphia-76ers-trade-spencer-hawes-cleveland-cavaliers
Also Marc Stein tweeting “Hearing: Wizards — who tried to acquire Luol Deng from Bulls at last NBA Draft — are among teams in Deadline Day talks with Cavs on Deng”
Here is a potential working trade. I’d be OK with this as well, if Deng is not going to resign might as well get something.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lhf4mbz
I keep seeing that it is earl Clark and second round picks for hawes which to me seems way more desirable. I am with you Scott about not wanting to get rid of Zeller. So funny that espn shows all the rumors but when things actually happen you can’t find anything.
Why are we ditching TZ when he’s playing hard and showing definite improvement?
Spencer Hawes is a perennial loser. His play against the Cavs showed it. Of course, knowing the Cavs, they’ll hand him a 4yr/$32M contract to keep him. DUMB move.
Cody, Hawes is a significantly better shooter with better range. He should, at a minimum, spread the floor more for the Cavs. His defense is atrocious however, which may limit how much he actually plays for Mike Brown.
Feel better if it is indeed Clark and not Zeller
Zeller maybe being used to entice a.team to take Jack. Its the only reason I can think he’d be on the block.
With that in mind, what does Hawes bring that TZ doesn’t? Both seem to have range on thier jumper. Not really post up players. TZ is on a rookie contract. Not sure what the end goal is by moving him.
Looks like Earl Clark is part of the trade.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/20/nba-trade-deadline-tracker-all-the-trades-rumors-fun-in-one-place/
@ Hot sauce
You are correct that something else is going on. But it’s TZ being shopped.
http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-cavaliers/cleveland-cavaliers-1.275356/report-cavs-acquire-hawes-zeller-being-shopped-1.467874?localLinksEnabled=false&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
Also it only increases Cavs projected win total by 2, but hey, that might get them the 8th seed.
Something else has to be brewing here. My leading theory (which I am not happy about) is that AV’s injury is worse than we think. So DG wanted depth in the front court for a low price.
A lot of people are suggesting that we are trying to move TZ. I am a bit skeptical of that theory.
We’ll see.
Cavs have to send significant salary back to 76ers for this to work. Messing around on the ESPN Trade Machine I found that neither Earl Clark or Alonzo Gee’s salary alone will make the deal work, but if they throw in Henry Sims with Earl Clark it works.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kdh4xxm
Im guessing Nate isn’t too happy about this.I like it though. 1 it should get rid of Clark. If andy is actually hurt this is big
…huh? Spencer will not be pleased when he reads Nate’s review of his play against us the other day.