Live Thread: Cavs Vs Thunder
2015-01-25Dion Waiters is coming to Cleveland to battle against LeBron James and the Cavaliers today. Except, Dion probably wouldn’t phrase it that way. He would say Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook are going into the King’s house.
Waiters seems to have found a spot on the Thunder. He knows he isn’t better than their two stars. On the Cavs, Dion often stated and showed in subtle ways he thought he was better than Kyrie Irving. He may have been at times, but the way he manifested this attitude was by taking ill-thought shots, sulking, and demanding the ball from everyone to make up for perceived slights.
I’m not sure why Dion has fallen in line. Even in his first game with the Thunder against the Jazz, he did what he was asked to do so well that Scott Brooks praised his defense and tenacity. How often did that happen in Cleveland outside of myself and a few bloggers really wanting a legitimate reason to love Dion so much?
Maybe, Dion needed a star point guard to be older than him. Russell is three years older than him, while Kyrie is one year younger than him. Or, and this is the theory I’m pushing, Saint Weirdo is like a spoiled puppy. Starting his career in Cleveland, he was indulged. No one told him “no” very forcefully when he was acting out, and that let him develop some really bad habits. His housemates in Cleveland were all his. When people came into his team’s place, he showed off. “Look at this bad shot I’m taking with MY ball. I’ll even take it off balance to show more autonomy.”
Now, he’s in a new unfamiliar place and isn’t acting out as much. I’m reminded of when I was just ten years old, and my older sister got a little Sharpei puppy. She was caramel and if you listened to my sister, each one of her wrinkles contained a new way to cause household damage. Yet, whenever my sister visited my mom and me with her puppy, the little dog was never terrible. A quick gaze her way and whatever shoe she wanted to chew was instantly forgotten. Kevin Durant’s gaze is doing that to Waiters.
This change of scenery is working for Dion, and he seems happy. I mean, “Listen, they give [him] the ball. Like, [he touches] the ball. Like, [he] actually, like, you know, [touches] the ball.” [Darnell Mayberry]
And, honestly, I’m not even sure he is touching the ball more. He’s just in a better mental spot not feeling like this team is his and something that he needs to show off for.
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The Cavs are a lot like the Thunder. Andrew Sharp of Grantland tried to make that case during the week, and he had some good points throughout his piece: Both have coaches on the “hot seat,” they have big men that are offensively challenged, have made some questionable trades (James Harden/Andrew Wiggins), have offenses that lack structure, etc…
However, I can’t help but wanting to scream, “The Cavs are just three months old.” The Thunder and Cavs aren’t alike. The Thunder have had these above mentioned issues for years now. They’ve never had an offense. The Cavs can still reasonably say words like “process” without entire flocks of bloggers jumping into a river.
Yeah, the Cavs have problems, but coach wise, the two teams are very different. Sharp says that the pair differ in the sense that Blatt has a complex offense the team doesn’t run and Scott has a non complex offense. No, Scott has a reasonably normal offense, it’s just very poor given that he has two top ten players. It doesn’t utilize them correctly because a seven footer who can dribble shouldn’t be forced to the perimeter in crunch time. The Thunder listen to Scott and run his defense how he wants it to be run. It just stinks.
The Cavs, however, aside from the past four games, have not been executing what Mr. Blatt wants, so they have looked bad without Blatt’s help. I don’t know what Blatt’s offense looks like; although, I’ve seen glimpses of it watching the second unit swing the ball around. It looks pretty smooth. Defensively, Blatt has completely revamped the scheme, and the Cavs have been a top five defense, statistically, the past three games.
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And, finally, the biggest difference between the Thunder and the Cavs is the fact that the Cavs offense is just rounding into “top offense without running plays” status. The Thunder are statistically there. Both of these teams thrive in transition. They’re full of smart, agile guys, that can instinctively do damage on the break.
For the whole season, the Thunder are ranked 13th in fast break points, and the Cavs are ranked 17th. During the past three games though, the Cavs are fourth in transition points and the Thunder are seventh. The Thunder were sixth last season, so this says that their offense is pretty much reaching where it was last year. The Cavs are just rounding into what they might be, and while some may say that talent-wise the Thunder are better than Cleveland, I’d like to think that Cleveland can make up for that through coaching. The coaching just has to be accepted by the team. I don’t think Blatt has called for any of the Le-Iso plays so far this season.
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I’m picking the Cavs to win today, 109-101. Dion will take two ill-advised mid-range jumpers, but he will play insane defense on Kyrie Irving trying to shut him down. I expect Kyrie to do the same to Dion.
Meanwhile, in Browns news, Josh Gordon flunked another drug test and is subject to a one-year suspension, according to Adam Schefter.
What an IDIOT. They’ll cut him now for sure…
Yep. Hard to believe what he’s throwing away.
Although the drives aren’t going in, it’s smart for LBJ to get OKC front line in foul trouble…
Blatt countering here with a defensive line up, with Shump, Matrix.
Lets go defense in this second quarter. Energy on that end is gonna be so important for us.
Given how they’ve played and since they’re still only shooting 28%, being down 6 after one is not that bad…
Yes. OKC has blown an opportunity . . . but Cavs have to start hitting.
Love is disappointing. Can’t do anything inside or get the points off ORs like TT.
Yeah, those 9 boards are really bumming me out (sarcasm)
Good for him. Looks lost offensively and he is weak.
Not sure why ESPN guys are arguing about a 1-8 matchup in west. Who knows the teamns. I wouldn’t want either the thunder or warriors in the first round though
I was talking with a Spurs fan before, I think they are just trying to get into the playoffs, everyone is tough, seeding doesn’t matter as much.
Terrible scouting/communication by Shumpert on the Reggie Jackson pick and roll late in the first. You go under the screen on the pick and roll against Jackson unless he gets hot. He’s a poor outside shooter.
It’s just his second game man… Glad you forsook the gym for the blog though!
A few minutes later, Shumpert hits a corner 3.
OKC the more physical team thusfar. Refs letting them play. Gives them the edge.
Not a great first quarter, but only down 6. They need to win the next quarter.
Several noted the nervousness… hopefully Cavs will calm down, Irving not playing well as Nate said.
Nice save by Moz and Matrix on that busted possession
Great play by Matrix!
TT knows better than to try and drive at Ibaka. At least he got fouled…
Terrible offense… Ibaka bailed us out fouling TT
Loved hearing Austin “Get that weak stuff outta here” after Waiters screamed And1
Kyrie needs to be smarter there. That’s not Al Jefferson he’s driving on.
He’s got his head down too much like old Kyrie. Think he’s trying too hard to just do it himself with Dion out there opposing…
Totally agree with both of you.
TT GET THAT WEAK ST WEIRDO STUFF OUTTA HERE!
Shump is in for JR. Let’s go Shump!
Nice defense on the Westbrook shot!
How hard is it to get it to Love on the elbow? Very hard, apparently.
Charlotte last game double teamed the action…. OKC tried to deny the entry pass.
Love is, by definition, a sunk cost.
KLove in the post… I like it!
I know I’ve been screaming for it!
Why does Lebron do this lollygagging on defense and very slowly, barely making it across the halfcourt line? If you call yourself a leader, bring the energy, especially on defense where games are won.
Great as he is, this can be so frustrating.
Jessica Chastain… I do love them redheads.
There we go! Post up for Love… gotta foul
LeBron isn’t going to be playing that poorly at the rim all game. Calm down.
I think there could be 400 posts by the time this game is over. Did IT set aside enough memory?
Ugly sequence there. Mozzy has to make Morrow put it on the floor.
Cavs getting killed on transition D last few possessions…
Irving had Moz or Love open in the paint, instead chucked up ugly lay up.
This isn’t the Bobcats were playing.
Or the Hornets either…
I LOVE how JR makes smart passes on the fast break!
Great steal and outlet there by Mozilla.
Mark Jackson actually sort of praising Blatt…I think. Wait, then he sort of backtracked.
Mark Jackson sounding like a tool.
So, pretty much the normal way for him…
Great D Mozgov! Great outlet, JR sharing the ball!!!
Dion with the long three…
Perkins turning back the clock to 2008 with that jam in traffic…
Teams combining to shoot like 25% from the floor so far… That won’t last
Did LBJ tweak an ankle or something? He seems like he’s been off since the 1 on 2 break…
I noticed it too. Wonder if the message is for the refs as much as anyone
Good D for Cavs, stagnant offense so far… need to move the ball, or post-up for Love or LBJ.
Saint Weirdo in the game…
Hands up, Kevin Love!
Someobody spray some “icy hot” under his armpits!
best idea ever.
WOW! KLove ALREADY has 8 boards!
Someone has to shoot. Love monster on boards. Hope fans cheer dion when he gets in
Love the new name Matt!
Thanks. I thought all the choices were great. This one is like a cryptogram that only a nerd would love
If you’re looking for a nerd name we can call you “Sheldon.”
If anybody was hitting they’d be up 10 right now.
Just as I was about to type that JR’s shot was off… JR SWISH!
Key word “WAS” HAHA!
Great pass LBJ to Mosgove to JR!
BIG TIME pass from the BIG MAN!
WHAT A GREAT PASS! THEN ANOTHER GREAT PASS!
They all have national broadcast jitters.
KLOVE!!!! Nice to see that go in!
No post-ups for Love yet.
How did they NOT call a foul on the LBJ drive?
Eh. It was close, and LBJ went 1-on-2.
Stil, he got whacked on the the arm and head…
Argh. LeBron in “national game mode.” He missed a wide open Smith on the left wing on the break, then made a stupid 1-on-2 decision.
Lot of nerves out there. Lots of missed shots on both ends…
Both teams having a lot of problems scoring.
That was a great steal by JR, too bad they couldn’t save it
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Moz!
That was STELLAR!
Nervous/playoff start to the game
Love always seems to be in position for a defensive rebound.
Why is Ibaka shooting threes? Not that I’m complaining…
I must break you
Mosgov just ate up Westbrook.
MOZILLLA!!! GET THAT WEAK STUFF OUTTA HERE!!!!!
NO SOUP FOR YOU!
Thought that JR shot was going down…
Lots of pace already to this game…
Oh Boy,
Mark Jackson is back in town. I hear he’s looking for houses next to Bill Cower in Strongsville.
*snickers*
I wonder if they can Photoshop JR Smith into the Together Nike Commercial.
Why does Pitbull wear gloves and shades all the time?
So, gym and watch game on DVR, or sit on my butt and watch this?
Watch game, gym afterwards!
Gym closes at 6…
HAHAHA… do what you gotta do…
Go tomorrow, Cavs don’t play again until Tuesday…
I think you know the answer to that….
But like a puppy/petulant kid, once he gets comfortable, he starts acting out. Was over on DailyThunder.com yesterday, and the Deja Vu was palpable. Royce Young wrote about Dion’s penchant for dumb shots. Dion Waiters missed one of the dumbest long 2s I’ve ever seen him take (and that’s saying something already)… Waiters airballed two layups in the first half. The best one came after a nifty spin where he got out of control and tried to flip a shot up with his left hand, making sure to yell “annnnnddddd onnnnne!” as he did it. Trying out a new nickname:… Read more »
I agree… he needs to drive to the basket way more often, but for some reason he’d rather chuck up that semi-ugly jump shot. I watched the Cavs last year and he seemed to drive more often last year than he has all year this year.
Royce sounds like this board used to on the topic of Dion…
Right?
Really interested to see how their new newfound defensive intensity is against a pretty good offensive team. And whether they can get out on the break against a team with OKC’s athleticism.
The Bulls are a mess right now.
They just beat both SA and Dallas before this game… They seem to play a lot better on the road than at home for some weird reason…
Currently watching the Heat take it to the Bulls at the United Center. Much as I’m not a fan of the Heat, still rooting for them to knock Chicago down a game in the standings…
Man, this is the first time I’ve really watched Hassan Whiteside play. Dude’s got some skills…
Wow! He’s got 9 blocks!
Now he’s got 10! Triple double with double digit blocks! Wow!
Seriously… 12 blocks in 24 minutes is INSANE!
I believe the announcer said he used to be a Cav at one point (career journeyman).
Hassan chop!
(Would post relevant Looney Tunes image here if I knew how. Or is it even possible?)
14/13/12 in 24 minutes!!!?
I don’t remember this cat playing for the Cavs…
The announcer seem to suggest he wasn’t on the team long, just stopping through.
11 blocks now. Man, I told that short dude in the front office who answers to me to go get this unbeelavle kid and he didn’t listen. Thats the first and last time he doesn’t do what i says.
You hear it first Ray allen will be in a cavs jersey by the end of the week or heads will roll.
I’ll never root for the Heat. I hate franchise.
Agree, but not so much rooting FOR the Heat as rooting for Bulls to LOSE
I’ll root for the Bulls to lose the next one. I’m not really worried about playoff seating.
Maybe you aren’t, but I’d really prefer to not play the Bulls in the first round…
I love watching the Heat lose. Maybe they’ll lose enough games that they won’t even make the playoffs.
The good news is that the Bulls now go on their longest road trip of the season against the west and south. The bad news… they actually play much better away than at home these days…
Fun read to get it started today DW! Bring on the Weirdness…
I actually think there will be some defense played on both sides today, just a feeling. Cavs roll on with their Revenge Tour 2015 though and pull it out 104-97.