Recap: Free Agency Fireworks So Far (or, Some Sizzle… Some Fizzle… Some Duds)
2015-07-04Happy Fourth of July Cavs fans! Well, we wanted fireworks… and we got some. A little more than three days into the 2015 Free Agency, and there have already been pyrotechnics galore. From the moment the clock struck 12:01am (EST) on Wednesday, the deals, rumors and reports on this year’s NBA Free Agents have filled the air like so many spectacular burning embers.
With deals exploding faster than the salary cap will next summer, the Cavs have been right in the thick of it all, and putting on a heck of a show thus far. Others have joined them in the celebration, popping off with record-setting numbers to retain their own Free Agents and to lure others to come check out their displays. While a few of the former big guns of the league have experienced some failure to launch in their bid to find new ways to wow their crowds.
Here’s a quick breakdown from the bombs bursting in air, all the way down to the sparklers, black snakes and smoke bombs from the past week…
The Sizzle
Cleveland Cavaliers
CavsDan got everyone’s attention when he set off one of the biggest surprise bombshells of Free Agency, locking up Kevin Love, not just for one more season, but for a five year max deal to the tune of $110 million. He followed that with a quick fuse on a four year deal for Iman Shumpert (at $10M per), and also looked to be on the verge of setting off some major Canadian Dynamite (although the launch on that has been delayed momentarily). While there’s still the volatile J.R. Smith to deal with, as well as the Thunder from Down Under, it sure looks like Dan G has all the ammunition required to reassemble his full arsenal, and he’s keeping the flammable Haywood contract in reserve to add to his already considerable war chest. When it’s all said and done, Gilbert and Griff will have put on a display that should wow even the King. And speaking of LeBron, though he’ll probably wait until the smoke has cleared to fire off his own rocket, it should make for a tremendous grand finale. Grade: Jester’s Revenge (the biggest and most expensive firework you can legally purchase…)
Chicago Bulls
The Bulls haven’t been all that flashy, but they’ve also done what they needed to do to keep two of their core free agents in the fold. They re-signed Jimmy Butler to a max deal (five years/$90M) to keep their starting back court intact, and they pulled the trigger on Mike Dunleavy (three years/$15M) to keep him safely away from the Cavs. With Kirk Hinrich also opting in, the Bulls will seemingly return fundamentally intact, plus draft pick Bobby Portis and new Head Coach, Fred Hoiberg. Grade: Peony firework (not flashy, but effective)
Dallas Mavericks
Just when it looked like disaster was brewing for the Mavs, losing their starting back court plus Tyson Chandler and Al-Farouq Aminu, they pulled out the heavy artillery and managed to fire up deals with Wesley Matthews (four years/expected $13M per) and, surprisingly, DeAndre Jordan (four years for a max $80M). Dallas had to lobby hard to convince both targets away from other suitors (Matthews from the Kings, who reportedly offered a larger $64M deal; and DJ from his comfort zone with the Clippers), but they had a secret weapon in Chandler Parsons: Professional Diner. While the Mavs still need some semblance of a point guard to toss lobs to their new big man, and they’re taking a calculated risk with Matthew’s recovery from an achilles tear, their late flourish should keep them in the mix in the crowded West. Grade: Titanium Salute (great for making a lot of noise at the end of a show)
Miami Heat
Keeping up with the firepower of the Cavs and Bulls is challenging, but the Heat have done just about all they could (given their limited resources) to keep up. After Luol Deng opted in, Pat Riley got Goran Dragic to take a bit less than the max (five years, $90M) instead of the close to $108M he could have pushed for, and found a compromise to keep DWade flashing around the American Airlines Arena for one more year (also under the max at $20M). Riles even managed to keep the crowds buzzing by having top FA, LaMarcus Aldridge, bump Phil Jackson and the Knicks in favor of having dinner with the Gordon Gekko of the NBA. The cap space simply isn’t there for the Heat to snag LMA this year (barring a massive and intricate multi-team deal that would require Miami to ship out Chris Bosh and find a way to dump tons of additional salary), but it wouldn’t be a huge surprise to see Aldridge wind up taking a 1+1 deal somewhere, and become Plan B if Riles can’t get Kevin Durant to South Beach next summer. Grade: Crackling Flash (bright and loud, but don’t last long…)
Milwaukee Bucks
The Bucks set out to do two things in Free Agency: 1) Retain Khris Middleton (they signed him to a five year, $70M deal); and 2) Sign a big man. They accomplished their second goal in dazzling fashion, out-shining both the Lakers and the Knicks to sign Greg Monroe to a three year, $50M max deal. It’s not that they were the only one of the three to offer Monroe the max, but the big man decided to turn down the bright lights of L.A. and N.Y. for the Midwestern powerhouse that the Bucks are building. Say what you want about Monroe being a below-average defender… the truth is that both the Lakers and Knicks pushed hard for him… and came up short. The Bucks now have a massive starting line-up they can trot out next season, and it’s clearer than ever that the allure of the big guns on the coasts has waned considerably. Grade: Sky High (when you really want to reach for the sky…)
New Orleans Pelicans
Oh say Cans you see? New Orleans started Free Agency off with a BANG when they wasted no time offering up a max extension to their rising superstar, Anthony Davis. The Brow immediately accepted the richest deal in NBA history (a five year, $145M deal) faster than Joey Chestnut can jam a Nathan’s dog down his gullet, and will become the highest paid player in the NBA. This massive deal alone would probably be enough to warrant the Pelicans being listed in this section, but they also pulled off some sneakily shrewd deals to re-sign two of their big men as well. They were able to lock up both Alexis Ajinca (a bargain at four years, $20M), and Omer Asik (five years, $60M) to solidify their front court for the foreseeable future. Grade: The Big Bang (when you want to let everyone know you’re serious from the start)
Phoenix Suns
Not unlike their fellow small-market brethren Bucks, the Suns lit up the sky with two big shots. The first was to re-sign one of their own young stars, Brandon Knight (five years, $70M), and the second was to land a big man in Tyson Chandler (four years, $52M). Yet, the Suns are hoping that these two weapons can help them entice a third to join them, and have unloaded everything they have (including sending Danny Granger, Reggie Bullock and Marcus Morris to the Pistons to clear cap space) in an effort to snag LaMarcus Aldridge. So far, their efforts have paid off, making them frontrunners (along with the Spurs) in the race for LMA’s services. If they somehow were to pull it off, they might just skyrocket to the top of this list. Grade: Sunburst (almost ready to blow…)
San Antonio Spurs
Nobody seems to reload better or quicker than the Spurs. They wasted no time re-signing Kahwi Leonard to a max extension (five years, $90M) shortly after The Brow got his. They also managed to convince Danny Green to come back for the “bargain” price of four years at $45M. And, now that they’ve divested themselves of the contracts of Tiago Splitter, Aaron Baynes and Marco Belinelli, they’ve nearly cleared enough cap space to go after their ultimate weapon, LaMarcus Aldridge. The Spurs appear to be in a relative dead heat with the Suns in the chase for LMA (with Portland and the Lakers still in the mix but fading), and if they emerge victorious, they will have successfully shifted the balance of power in the West back to San Antonio. Grade: Roman Candle (just when you think they’re done… they just keep shooting)
The Fizzle
Atlanta Hawks
Fortunately for the Hawks, they didn’t wind up losing their shootout with the Magic over Paul Millsap. The talented forward wound up taking one less year than Orlando was offering to re-sign with the team he won 60 games with last year. At three years, $59M, Atlanta was able to keep Millsap around without completely breaking the bank. However, they didn’t fare as well with their other forward, DeMarre Carroll, losing him to a four year, $60M deal from the Raptors (reportedly, the Hawks weren’t even in the top four highest bidders for Carroll). They also lost “stretch five” big man, Pero Antic, who bolted back to Turkey for a two year deal. Though they did trade for Tiago Splitter for some frontline help, the Hawks’ relatively lackluster free agency period (thus far), combined with their underwhelming draft doesn’t seem to bode well for next year’s prospects. Grade: LED Fireworks (they look like the real thing, but they’re not)
Brooklyn Nets
Yes, the Nets moved quickly to launch more than $100M at their two free agent big men, Brook Lopez and Thad Young (three years, $60M and four years, $50M respectively). And they even made a couple of other low risk FA gambles with Thomas Robinson and Shane Larkin. However, they’ve had zero luck in unloading some of their old and pricy pieces like Joe Johnson, Deron Williams and Jarrett Jack. Also, many believe they likely overpaid to keep their two big men, and have left themselves with very little flexibility to improve. Grade: Secondhand Fireworks (yeah, you got a really good deal… but they just didn’t work)
Indiana Pacers
Larry Bird misfired in David West’s estimation, which is why he surprisingly opted out of the final year of his deal, and is looking for a new situation. So, despite getting Paul George back for next season, this development (coupled with their repeated attempts to run Roy Hibbert out of town) seemed to signify the beginning of the rebuild for Bird and the Pacers. They did somehow manage to convince Monta Ellis to climb aboard, providing them with some prospective punch to their aerial assault. Yet, it doesn’t seem like the move will propel them out of the middle of the pack. Grade: Firecrackers (they kinda sound scary, but there’s nothing to see here)
Orlando Magic
You have to give the lowly Magic credit for at least trying to make something happen in Free Agency. They set their sights high, offering Paul Millsap a four year, $80M deal to come and add some veteran fire. Unfortunately, Millsap spurned them to take a shorter deal and stay with the more accomplished Hawks. Not wanting to come up empty, Orlando put most of the rest of their gunpowder into offering disgruntled forward, Tobias Harris, a whopping four year, $64M deal to put aside his differences with new coach Scott Skiles (which he quickly accepted). While they’re also working to bring in C.J. Watson, the Magic are still a ways off from being a crowd-pleaser. Grade: Magic Whip (spins around and tries really hard)
Washington Wizards
Where’s the justice and the American Way when you’re missing The Truth? Despite initial indications to the contrary, Paul Pierce broke some hearts in the nation’s capitol when he called “game” on the Wizards and went home to L.A. and his old coach, Doc. The Wiz pulled a trade for Jared Dudley, and signed Gary Neal in an attempt to piece together some reasonable facsimile for what Pierce provided last season, and they’re still in the hunt to pull in David West. If they do manage to land him, they potentially move up to Sizzle level… but if not, it’s a bit of a letdown. The Truth hurts. Grade: Bottle Rockets (they make a lot of noise, but are fairly harmless)
The Duds
Los Angeles Clippers
How did the Clippers manage to blow this up so badly? They added a terrific piece in Pierce, blew out some dead weight and took a gamble on Lance Stephenson, then somehow forgot to show up and give some love to their big man DeAndre. While main culprit and team leader CP3 was off vacationing in the Bahamas with LeBron and Melo, CPE (Chandler Parsons Esquire) was starring in his new stage play “My Dinner With DeAndre.” Listen guys, if you let Chandler wine and dine DJ and let Mark Cuban whisper sweet nothings like “you can be a 20/20 guy with us” in his ear… he’s probably gonna bolt. Just a potentially crippling loss for the Clips. Grade: M80 (nothing to see, but if you’re not careful you can lose a limb)
Los Angeles Lakers
From the moment Jeannie Buss thumbed out her Tweet about what kind of music she should listen to in advance of her big Free Agent meeting, you just knew things were probably going to go badly for the Lakeshow. Actually, things haven’t gone all that well for the Lakers for a few years now come to think of it. After a marathon meeting to bring “LA to LA” resulted in LaMarcus being so unimpressed that he crossed LA off of his list, the Lakers had to go into full-on scramble mode and beg for a second interview (this time one where they PROMISED to talk about actual basketball and not legacy). Though LMA graciously agreed to it, the Lakers’ chances don’t look good. Maybe even more embarrassing though for the once mighty purple and gold, is that they’ve been roundly spurned by most every other major Free Agent as well. At least last year it was LBJ and Melo… this time around, it’s Kevin Love, DeAndre Jordan, Greg Monroe and Robin Lopez. Even Ed Davis didn’t feel like sticking around, signing with the Blazers for three years and $20M. The Lakers may finally have to come to grips with the fact that literally NOBODY wants to play with Kobe, and also banners just don’t mean what they used to. Grade: Sparklers (sure they look pretty, but they’re really just not functional)
New York Knicks
Jeannie’s boyfriend, Phil, isn’t having much luck drawing FA crowds either. Things got so desperate this week that it took a retired player (Al Harrington) to finally represent someone who actually wanted to go play for the Knicks. Phil was finally able to raid the hemorrhaging Portland roster for a couple of Free Agent signings, netting Aaron Afflalo (albeit on a short two year, $16M deal) and Sideshow Bob er… Robin Lopez (four years, $54M), but only after both he and the Lakers got spurned by Greg Monroe for the greener pastures of Milwaukee. Seriously, when was the last time the Knicks and Lakers lost out to a small-market, cold, mid-western team when pursuing a big man? Obviously, Phil has many of the same problems that his girlfriend does. The bright lights of the big cities aren’t the draw they once were, especially when you have the wet blanket of selfish superstars (Kobe and Melo). Grade: Black Snake (you keep waiting for something to happen but it never does… kinda zen though…)
Portland Trailblazers
Poor Portland. As a Cavs fan that lived through LBJ leaving in Free Agency, it’s tough to watch another small town lose its centerpiece star. Granted, LMA is no LBJ, but he’s been a terrific fit in that town and on that team. They still have Damian Lillard (who they extended for five years, $120M), but they also lost Wes Matthews (Mavs), as well as Robin Lopez and Aaron Afflalo (Knicks). There’s still a glimmer of hope that LaMarcus decides to return to the pacific northwest (after all, they can still offer him the most money), but if he ultimately goes somewhere else like San Antonio or Phoenix, Portland is in for a pretty major overhaul. Grade: Smoke bomb (pretty good way to clear out a room)
Sacramento Kings
It makes you wonder what George Karl must have done in a past life to karmically deserve the hellish sentence of coaching both Boogie Cousins AND Rajon Rondo… TOGETHER. Though he may not make it to opening day, it could just be that Vivek Ranadive just wants to see if he can push GK far enough so that he’ll quit and forfeit his salary. The Rondo signing (even though it’s just for one year at $9.5M) is probably neither a good fit, nor a sound business decision. The Kings did try to throw money at several other Free Agents (like Wes Matthews), and at potential Karl replacements (like John Calipari), but they were roundly snubbed by most. Aside from Rondo, they did somehow con Marco Belinelli into signing up (three years, $19M), but the real focus seems to be finding a way to Apocalypse Now their way out by jamming their powder keg and rigging it to blow. Grade: Dynamite (for when you absolutely, positively need to blow something to pieces)
THANKS DELLY !!!!—-HAD MY GRANDSON HERE DIDN’T WANT TO WAKE HIM –HA-HA !!
this is NOT TT speaking —-they ( PAUL ) are using t.t. for leverage and some ” stone throwing “—c’mon guys grow up —we just got done competing for an nba title / all of you say to the media how close you are and you want to get the title next year / ” uncle ” dan is opening his wallet to accommodate so let’s get over the ” ego ‘ thing and get on with life and start working for that title everyone wants and deserves !!!
WELL SAID NOMAD! WHY ARE YOU WHISPERING? I DON’T KNOW WHO IT IS, BUT I ASSUME YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT PAUL CALLING THESE SHOTS. I JUST HOPE LEBRON ISN’T IN ON IT TOO, TRYING TO “GET HIS GUYS ALL THE $ THEY CAN.” OK NOW YOU CAN HAVE YOUR capital letters back, nomad.
If you believe Broussard and his “sources”
I always trust Broussard’s sauces. Must be nice to ride Lebron’s coattails. TT was going to be wildly overpaid (i.e., making more than any other team would pay him) going by the initial report. I don’t blame his agent for asking for the moon, but I just think, ‘when is enough enough?’.
I don’t blame the Cavs for balking at giving him more (if the $$ amounts can be believed). The whole $$ thing is staring to be a blemish on TT, IMHO. Notice how the team-first Spurs got their guys to take less.
I’ve got mixed feelings on the money issue. On the one hand, players sure seem selfless and team-first when they accept less money. On the other hand, do billionaire owners really need pitied for being asked to shell out a few more million? Especially in a case like this where TT’s deal has no effect on other trades/acquisitions the Cavs could make, if I understand correctly (there’s a very good chance I’m not understanding correctly).
Yeah, all they are doing is saving their owners money. The Cavs have the same flexibility whether or not they re-sign TT and however much money they give him.
The Spurs have somehow brainwashed their guys into taking less to save the owner money.
Long term its a different story. They are in cap hell for the next few years, but three four years down the line? maybe not. And maxing out TT isn’t the soundest basketball move.
Apparently TT is hesitant to sign long term with the Cavs because of the letter Dan Gilbert wrote to Lebron when he left.
LOL. Yeah, that must be it. Maybe Stephen A and Bayless can argue about that one.
I’m starting to get a little annoyed with this whole situation. If he wasn’t represented by Rich Paul, we wouldn’t have this issue. Look at his #’s last year. 8pts 8 rebounds. Sure, he’s a great offensive rebounder, but we saw his best work when Love and Irving were out, there was no Varejao (or West, for that matter). Even given the fact that the Salary Cap is bumping up considerably, is TT really anywhere near worth 16-17 mill a year??? It really bugs me that it is assumed that LeBron wants TT back, and I KNOW that Rich, Klutch,… Read more »
All that being said, let’s just get it done. It’ll work out fine if Gilbert shells out the cash. I have to assume he’s projected the cap the following year as well to see what his repeater tax would be and what he could do to limit some of that.
The team last year was good enough to win a championship, I have to believe they can be good enough again, especially if healthy and another year under each player/coach’s belt.
Mavs same odds as Rockets and Clippers seems weird.
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@tj_ford: Congratulations @RealTristan13 resigning with @cavs
#hookem
Wishing the Cavs would get a move along, hoping everything is finalized by the end of this week…………….
Cory Joseph Signing Confirmed:
Cory Joseph: #WeTheNorth here I come!!!!!
A sincere thank you to all the fans, RC, Coach Pop and the entire Spurs organization for all the support over the last 4 years. SA will always be close to my heart… had my first game and first championship here! #ThankYou #NextChapter
Andy isn’t on a bad contract guys. He was playing fine before the injury. If he played all season and was a free agent he’d be getting 15 million per. But I agree West and JJ for Andy and Haywood is a no brainer. If JJ can learn to pass he’d be phenomenal here. Lineups with Irving, JJ, Love and Lebron would be unguardable. Thats 3 ELITE shooters that can also create. than you stick Moz, TT, Sump or Delly in there and the other team is forced to match up with us and not vice versa.
Scary lineup if JJ can fit with the guys. Its always a risk adding a guy like him. We lucked out with JR and him fitting well. Will Johnson merge so seamlessly?
He’s basically a better JR in my opinion. He’d definitely have change his game but he has played that way before with the Suns. If we could handle JR I think we can handle JJ. Its definitely a question though
The last time he was a third option (back in phoenix) he shot 47% on 3’s. He’s a career 37% and most of that was as the primary scorer in the offense.
For a starting Center which he was in the past 4-5 years, 10 mil per is pretty good, but only playing 50+ (65 games) once in the past 5 years is tough to take , (other 4 years has been 25-31 games) and why I think Cavs may be considering trading him and hopefully getting him back for cheaper.
I dont disagree hes a little overpaid. But people are acting like he’s Joe Johnson or something… the irony
The thing with Verajao is that he might not play in the NBA again. That was a really bad injury.
He was nearly ready to play in June. Its a bad injury but Andy never relied on hops to play. I don’t get the he may never play again attitude.
Play at the NBA level. His contract was crazy to begin with, but that injury may have made him not an NBA player. Only time will tell.
My point is that 9 mil with a team option for a third year is a steal for a 7’0 that can contribute. Look at the contracts being doled out. Reggie Jackson is a borderline starter. Probably a back up and just got 80 million.
Again, you are assuming he can play at all, let alone contribute. At least Jackson has stayed on the court in his career. (and I’m not arguing Jackson is worth that contract, I don’t think he is, and I think they’ll regret that)
(this in reply to Rodney Mac….replies get nixed after several replies)
Hahahaa I know right, only upside to Joe Johnson trade is that he’s off the books next summer but looking up about Andy’s contract it’s not that bad.
Old reports saying: Cleveland signed its starting center to a contract extension on Friday. A league source told ESPN’s Brian Windhorst the deal is worth $9.6 million next season, $10.3 million ($9.3 million guaranteed) in 2016-17 and $10 million (nonguaranteed) in 2017-18 (Team Option) .
If he’s healthy and able to play its not that bad after all.
“If JJ can learn to pass”… if Tristan could learn to shoot, if DeAndre could hit free throws, if Delly could make layups, if Bargnani could toughen up, if Royce White was sane, if Rich Paul was a little more accommodating, if Andy could stay healthy…
We wouldnt of been able to afford Joseph :(
The point guard and the Raptors have agreed to a 4-year deal worth $30M, according to Chris Broussard. Joseph is leaving the Spurs, where he backed up Tony Parker for the first four years of his career. 7.5 Mil Per Year, Good For Him
Haywood and Andy for joe Johnson would be great. Andy sucks and is worthless.
If this trade goes through, here will be Cols next year: “Johnson sucks and is worthless”.
Hahaha u got me here laughing with your comment and the one above “Gotta get Joseph! We are down to one Canadian”
OMRI!!!!
They needed him. Happy they got him….I feel bad for Kings fans, they’ve been through a lot.
While we’re still on the topic of Kyrie’s affordable contract… the Pistons just signed Reggie Jackson to 5 years/$80 mil.
If this kind of spending keeps up, we may have to settle for Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall again.
@ESPNSteinLine: ESPN sources say newly unrestricted free agent Cory Joseph is closing in on a deal with the Toronto Raptors
I’m highly upset, I mean damn who’s left ?
Omri Casspi is left.
If the Raptors get CJ, I think they will have been one of the few teams in the East who might show real improvement. Maybe I missed some of their moves though. I’ll be disappointed because he would be a great fit on this team.
PURSUING JOSEPH AND WEST ( AND KEEPING ANDERSON / AND HAYWOODS CONTRACT ) MIGHT BE BETTER THAN GOING AFTER JONSON —–NICE WIN BY USA WOMEN’S SOCCER TEAM !!!
I agree, to me Johnson would just be a one year rental while joseph would be a key young bench player for years for us
Gotta get Joseph! We are down to one Canadian.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13202763/cleveland-cavaliers-interested-joe-johnson-brooklyn-nets
Johnson’s Salary is 24.8 Mil
Haywood Contract at 10 Mil, Andy at 9.6 , wouldnt we need to add another player for the numbers to add up seeing that both teams are over the cap?
nope you can take back 125% of outgoing salary 125% of Haywood (10.5m) and Andy (9.6m) is 25.1, so we’re cool.
USA USA USA, USWNT FTW!!!!!!!!
Ok, back to free agency. Let’s go get Cory Joseph.
The first 20 minutes was unbelievable — sort of like when the Cavs blew out the Hornets by halftime this past season. It just never happens like that in soccer.
Lloyd’s goal from the halfway line was the JR to LeBron half-court alley oop x 10 or x 100. Wow!
It really was amazing. It was like 4 goals in 16 min. SO happy for the team, for Abby, for Christie, incredible moment.
YES!!
Great win and amazing performance by Carli Lloyd. Jill Ellis totally vindicated despite all the doubters.
COULD THIS JOHNSON RUMOR POSSIBLY BE A ” PLOY ” BY GRIFF TO PUT A SCARE IN SOME OTHER TEAMS WHO ARE RATHER ” DORMANT ” AT PRESENT —GRIFFF MIGHT WANT TO TRY TO GET THEM TO START TALKING / NEGOTIATING POSSIBLE TRADES —-GRIFF CAN THEN SIT BACK AND LOOK AT THE BEST OFFER
Nets Daily: Told Johnson trade talks are preliminary and not likely to be productive.
Free Agency Update:
Mike Monroe @Monroe_SA 3h3 hours ago
Per league source, #Spurs have withdrawn qualifying offer to @Cory_Joe making him unrestricted FA
Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo 2h2 hours ago
Celtics free agent forward Brandon Bass to sign with the Lakers, a source told Yahoo Sports
I want Joseph! The monster ate my first comment.
i want Joseph too. Enough of that Joe Johnson BS..
I can’t see Lebron approving of trading Varejao. When they make that championship run, he would want Andy to be there.
I was thinking the same thing, Andy is like how Z is to the Cavs
Um…z got traded
Hahhaa yes so very true. They traded Z thinking Antawn Jamison was a missing piece to bring a championship to Cleveland back in 2010. Trading Andy would be for somewhat the same thinking and for flexibility going forward
And there was little doubt Z would get paid off, and return to the Cavs, which is what happened. Can the same thing happen with Andy?
Not at his 9.6 million. He’d have to settle for like $4
No, they put a rule in plays after Z did it. If a team trades you, you cannot re-sign with that team for a year, I believe. Even then, we’d have no cap room, so he’d have to sign for a vet minimum.
Off topic but found it real funny bout Lakers free agency fail
VERY GOOD PT JOE —-DAN KNOWS ALL ABOUT INVESTING / AND MAKING MONEY
Also can we talk about how people were worried about Kyrie receiving a max contract of 90m/5yrs? An absolute bargain. I bet if he was a free agent next year some team would pay him the 30m/yr or whatever it is that’s possible with the new cap. I bet we’ll be talking about Love the same way in a couple years. Yeah, we’re paying a lot now, but these contracts are going to all look more nice really soon.
I was thinking the same thing, seems like almost every young restricted free agent is getting MAX money. Kyrie’s deal is pretty damn good and only reaching over 20 mil in the last year of the contract
sweetchi agree with your observations—too many fans get ” tunnel vision ” on stats and don’t think about the over all fit of the team —–WHAT IS LEBRON THINKING ABOUT THE POSSIBLE ANDERSON TRADE —DO WE HAVE HIS ” BLESSINGS ” OR ARE WE GOING TO ” PISS ” HIM OFF —JOHNSON / WEST AND RESINGING JR WOULD BE A NICE UPGRADE FROM LAST YEAR —-BENCH WOULD BE VASTLY IMPROVED –ALSO WOULD ALLOW THE ROOKIE CHRISTMAS TO BE MENTORED BY WEST ——
So all this business with Andy makes me really sad. From a basketball standpoint I think its a no-brainer. But Andy stuck with us all those years and never wavered only to be traded the summer before we finally win one? That would be real sad. If only Andy had a more manageable contract… sigh.
Can someone who know’s salary cap well (hey Nate!) help me out with our potential scenario:
Cabs trade Haywood and varejou for Joe Johnson. Sign West to a one year deal mid-level deal. Resign Delly at multi year, 4m each. Resign JR at multi year, 9m each. Resign Lebron to a 1+1 max.
Next summer, Joe’s 25m is gone. Lebron opts out.
My question is, would the cap going up, plus two max contracts coming off the books enable us to have some cap room to spend with, before Lebron resigns (as we don’t need cap room to resign him)?
That is the same question I’m here wondering about. If someone can give an insight on this it would be great :D
In your scenario will be the following in Cap suppose to be about $89 2016-2017 contracts PG: Kyrie: 16.985 =17 MIL SG: Iman 10 MIL PF: Kevin 22 MIL PF: TT (lets say 85 for 5 years ) = 17 Delly: 4 mil JR: 9 mil Joe Harris: $980,431 = 1 Mil Total: 80 Mil 2016 Free agents: Timothy Lebron Mike Miller David West (hypothetically) From this I dont think we have much money to work with (under the cap). Lebron would opt out so I’m not sure if his salary for 2016 would put a cap hold on Cavs.… Read more »
How are we gonna put a team on the court? haha
Thanks Sweetchi, that’s helpful. Looks like cap room isn’t something the Cavs will have in the near future even under that scenario.
If you remove JR’s deal there is some room though
Even if Lebron opts out … you would still have his $20M salary as a cap hold, unless we renounce his contract/Bird rights (which we would never do). Just forget about cap space at this point. :)
Louis Williams woulda been real nice as a scoring point guard off the bench
Only 7 Mil for Williams? Strange how team mgmt don’t esteem players the way fans do. I wonder what the knock on him may.be?
I find its a very “cheap” contract considering we are paying iman 10 mila year and lou Williams just won 6th man of the year award
We Are paying for fit more than for stats. We need a long wing lockdown defender, not a potent bench scorer who is useless on defense and would relegate delly to useless as well
you are right all the way, but this TT contract situation irritating me cause I mean damn u want more than 16 mil a year. I mean Blake Griffith is getting 18 mil a year for comparison
Yeah i don’t know if we are hearing everything that’s being said by TT or not but remember that will be a fairly accurate representation of his value after next season
Just saw this :
Adrian Wojnarowski: Free agent Lou Williams has agreed to a 3-year, $21 million deal with Lakers, league sources tell Yahoo
Gotta love free agency. David West… Joe Johnson… Rumors rumors rumors!!!!
Cavs considering Andy V and Haywood contract for Joe Johnson. I don’t like it. He’s past his prime
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13202763/cleveland-cavaliers-interested-joe-johnson-brooklyn-nets
Not crazy about it but it will give us a chance to spend money to keep Timothy as our replacement for Andy
It’d be a nice way to ditch Andy’s contract. I’m not convinced he’ll play again.
1. I don’t see why you don’t think Andy will play again.
2. Can this happen with the Nets paying off Andy, and he rejoins the Cavs for the min?
3. Obviously Johnson is past his prime. Wouldn’t he still be a major upgrade from JRS?
Ya I don’t get the Andy never playing again slant either. And 9.5 for a average starting center is a bargain. He’s slightly overpaid when you factor in the injuries but he’d have a may better chance at staying healthy this year playing 20 minutes a game
1. Achilles injuries are career enders. Almost no professional athlete recovers completely from them. Andy is fragile anyways and no lock to be available if/when we need him.
2. I guess if he really wanted a ring and was willing to take a buyout
3. Major Upgrade? probably not. But I think he’s on an expiring contract, which is valuable at the trade deadline and beyond this year to clear up future cap space. I would like that deal if it got done. Feel bad Andy won’t get his ring though.
This makes some sense. JJ can play 3 positions and used to be a good defender. Lineups with Love, JJ, Lebron, and Irving will be a nightmarish and nigh impossible to guard. Also they have some size. Then you can slide shump in there and play 5 out or put Timo or TT in there for defense. He’s a better bigger version of JR smith. While I think this offseason shows that Andy is actually on a pretty reasonable deal; West and JJ are a clear improvement over JR and AV. plus theres a good chance that Andy comes back… Read more »
Sources: Cavs considering trade for Joe Johnson of Nets http://es.pn/1KEnPXg
-via ESPN http://es.pn/app
Maybe Cols was right, and this is the reason for the David West love?
DAMMIT EVIL YOU BEAT ME AGAIN WITH THE NEWS !!!
So much for that plan…
@SLAMonline: Rudy Gay is Recruiting Josh Smith to the Sacramento Kings, According to His Snapchat http://t.co/2r3OyL98AR http://t.co/cuzl6L5vLD
Please make this happen!
Too Funny, they will be one of the must watch teams next year if that happens lol
Great article EG. Youngstown native and fireworks mogul Bruce Zoldan would be proud of your research. Long term, I think the Clippers will be okay. As Nate had tweeted Bismack would have be good there. They have more than enough offense, they just need a rim protector. JaVale could be solid. He’s a JR kind of guy. If he’s in a good situation he plays hard and this will be the best he’s ever seen. They’ll also have room to give Durant an offer next year.
For a break from Windhorst, here’s a short item on LeBron and the making of “Trainwreck”:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/06/layup
“Suddenly, friends you haven’t seen in ten years show up on set,” Judd Apatow said. “There’s a whole run of Chris Rock’s jokes, because he showed up and wanted to introduce his kids to LeBron.”
All the cuts I’ve seen from the trailer of LeBron look really fun. Looking forward to seeing it.
really enjoyed the walk down memory lane with the pics and comparisons. agreed with the assessment with one caveat. i have a hard time rating the acquisitions with regard to chemistry. LMA will be brilliant in the spurs revolving door of talented bigs. but will jordan be a seamless fit into dallas? or kobe being the poison in the LA. everybody would want to play there but not under the chemistry of the front office and head coach. it is so hard to tell about best fit when it looks as if you could be the man or next man… Read more »
Superb, entertaining writing as always EG. Love reading your stuff, and this gives a great insight into some of the moves going on.
Also quite informative re which fireworks to avoid buying next time I’m in the States! :)
Thanks Simmo! Maybe you can stock up on some fireworks for Australia Day next January!
Speaking of fireworks, I just stumbled on this post:
http://cabel.me/2015/07/04/hooray-4th-of-july-fireworks-2015/
Hopefully this time next year we can be shooting off the Sweet Revenge.
That’s pretty awesome . Thanks for the post.
Terrific stuff, Charlie E!
I believe technically the Cavs have to use the Hayward $10K before Aug 1st. Does that mean that they can take some time before using it in a deal…or is there any incentive to use it soon (e.g. in the next week or so)?
I’ve heard they are kind of waiting for other teams to get desperate….does that make any sense?
That should be the “Hayward $10M”
Right, Haywood’s $10 million becomes guaranteed on Aug. 1 if he isn’t cut by then. The incentive for the Cavs to trade him sooner rather than later is that they could lose some negotiating leverage as the deadline approaches, because other teams know they have to move him. But that may not be a big factor as long as there’s more than one team looking to dump salary.
According to Stein, ‘sources’ say Koufos headed to Kings, 4 year 33 mill. If true, big get for them, and a big blow to the Clippers. I see Perk inevitably going to the Clippers.
MORE WINDHORST “DRAMA ” —LEBRON WON’T TALK / SIGN UNTIL THEY SIGN T.T —–WHY IS THERE ALWAYS THIS DRAMA WITH LEBRON —–I THINK THE NBA / MEDIA WANTS THIS TO KEEP THE INTEREST UP ALL THE WAY THROUGHOUT FREE AGENCY ” SOAP OPERA ” ——JUST MY OPINION —C’MON CAVS END ALL THIS B.S — SIGN T.T TOMORROW ( GIVE HIM THE EXTRA 5 MILLLION ) AND FOLLOW UP WITH LEBRON’S CONTRACT AND PUT AN END TO THIS B.S —–OH YEAH THE FIREWORKS WERE GREAT ( 40 MINUTES OF HELL ) BEER IS STILL FLOWING —ENJOY THE REST OF HE 4TH
I’d just ignore it and worry about TT and everything else.
Seriously. It’s just annoying. Tristan and his agents already know he’s already overpaid. Klutch is trying to get him every penny. Show Gilbert some respect and accept the freaking deal. Be happy that you’re making 16/yr as a freaking back up. You are not worth that much on any other team, and no team will offer you that on their offer sheet. Accept the goddamn deal already.
I tend to agree. Enough already. I wouldn’t be mad if they just left their latest deal on the table and waited him and LBJ out. Let him play for the qualifying offer of 6 million or whatever and leave 80 mill guaranteed on the table. No on else is going to pay him that. At a certain point you have to draw the line and tell klutch to eff themselves.
Well said. Griff has his sights on other role players right now as he should, TT will have to wait. Contrary to what some believe, Griff has some leverage in the waiting game too. He knows Lebron isn’t going to leave in the next 48 hours so he can wait on TT for a couple of days while he goes after guys like West, Stuckey. And don’t you think Griff told TT that anyways? WHo believes Griff just totally blew off Tristan with no explanation what the FO needs to do now?
Don’t let Windhorst get you riled up. Just the same old, same old. TT will sign. LBJ will sign. The only real question mark is JR at this point, and not really hearing of any team (other than Cavs) interested in him…
Every extra million Dan gives him is an extra 4 million in taxes
Myles Turner was tearing it up today in Summer league. Threw down 20 points/8 boards. Indiana is hard to figure out for this coming season.
Kaminsky also had a good showing with 19points/12 boards.
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/617086892543242241
Kyle O’Quinn : four years $16 million. Best deal of free agency.
Still mad the cavs didn’t draft him
So now apparently, it’s the Lakers who are actually making the trade for Hibbert…
Though it’s still unclear what exactly the Pacers are getting in return (other than cap space)
I should really just wait a beat for the Woj answer…
Kobe will *lurrrrrve* playing with Hibbert. He can ‘use him like his Shaq’.
I’m no Rondo fan in any way, but I could see him being okay next season for the Kings. He and Ellis together were just toxic. It does kill me, though, that a guy who hasn’t been good recently, and flat out gave up on his team last year, still gets almost 10 mill to play. Only in professional sports.
Don’t really get the West interest from the Cavs. I wouldn’t mind them getting Stuckey.
Awesome article EG, I could tell it was your writing in the first few sentences without looking at who wrote the article. Got a unique style. Thanks for the time spent on this and happy 4th!
Spurs continue to reload without having to rebuild – hopefully next year is finally the year we say Duncan, Ginobili & co. are done
Thanks coolshah8! Happy 4th!
Great summary on content and fireworks analogies. Very well written !!!!
I’ll be honest. Everyone is loving the Spurs, I’m not sure they improved between losing splitter and Bellinelli and adding LA and another year of rust. Manu is not a lock, Parker looked done at points last year, and they may not keep Joseph. Meanwhile, Raptors biyambo signing gives them best offseason so far w/Carroll. Biyambo was an absolute theft. Dallas is also mind boggling. DA, dirk, parsons coming off microfracture, Matthews coming off Achilles and no point guard… Not sure anyone unseats top three of Warriors, Grizzlies, and thunder. Cavs baffle me w/the west thing. Does it mean Andy… Read more »
Still need a back up point guard much more than West.
I think Andy is probably done. Last year he looked done before he went down. He’s lost a touch of quickness and he wasn’t quick to begin with. His offensive game has improved over the years, but he can’t really defend anymore because he’s too slow. He’s like Delly – at 100% he can be a good piece because of hustle. Once a step is lost, though, he can’t compete at this level anymore. Expecting anything from Andy other than 5 minutes here or there is expecting too much. He’s just along for the ride at this point and is… Read more »
Andy’s contract drives me crazy. We need that money else where.
Supposed West turned down $12M. How can Cavs offer anything like that?
Maybe this is just negotiating ploy to get TT to come in at the original offer.
Yeah. In matchups I believe we can defend that Spurs team especially when everyone is healthy. They go big we can go big they go small vice versa. I like the versatility of this Cavs which can compete to any style the league has to offer. That’s it, VERSATILITY is the identity of this Cavs team. I’ like what the Raps have done so far. But they never scream contender to me because Casey sucks. Don’t you think Dallas is basically the same team from last year? Lacking the same need from last year? I don’t mind West for the… Read more »
JR isn’t offering any clues on Twitter. His only tweet since the Finals is this:
JR Smith @TheRealJRSmith Jun 26
Where is one to find some one who personalizes golf clubs in LA? #NeedHelp
Let’s get a petition going urging the Spurs to sign Boozer. He’s the missing piece, I tell ya!
He just seems like a great fit on the Lakers….
Cavs and Spurs appear to be frontrunners for PF David West (Pacers). West indicated he’s willing to take less $ to play for contender.
Sam Amico
I’d love West (I was a freshman @ Xavier when he won Player of the year in ’03), but where do we find minutes with AV back. Think we ship him? Is this just posturing for TT? What would LeBron think.
He would add to our toughness, and he drills 17 footers like there’s no tomorrow. Great free throw shooter. Just don’t know how he fits.
Hard to believe either the Spurs or Cavs have enough $$$ to grab West. But guess he just wants a ring…
Someone mentioned West might be able to handle some time at SF….would be nice if he could and give Lebron a rest
West has strong ties to Ohio from his Xavier days, but why would we want another PF? And would he really go from $12M to $3.5M mid-level? Also, aren’t he and Love very similar type players?
West at this stage is more of a banger. Solid D, great midrange game. Don’t know how he fits. Small Ball 5. Actually pretty versatile, but not the 3.
Ya, I really am not sure I like West on this team. We must be having trouble making moves in other places.
He fits if we move Andy
Awesome follow up Tweet from Skolnick…
This is the mantra that the Lakers and Knicks will cry themselves to sleep with on the nightly…
According to Brad Turner of LA Times:
Roy Hibbert and his 16m expring contract will go to the Dallas Mavericks, and will quickly send him to the Los Angeles Clippers, in a sign and trade for DeAndre Jordan. Monta Ellis will go to the Indiana Pacers.
Yahoo Sources: LaMarcus Aldridge will sign a four-year, $80M deal with Spurs — including player option on 4th year. http://t.co/WKmOmOR2eE
Does that mean Duncan comes in off the bench for 20 minutes a night? Very scary.
Nah, Duncan plays center
I mean damn Portland literally only have Damian left who started last year, wow they gonna have a tough year next year
visualizing what I posted lol : https://twitter.com/O_Fern/status/617380626597941248/photo/1
@WojYahooNBA: Free agent LaMarcus Aldridge will sign with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Yikes!
CAVS vs Spurs, finals match up. Maybe now we should get West?!?!?!
Just heard it on NBA TV. Expected it but still woulda find it more interesting with him going Phoenix. San Antonio just got more dangerous.
Lamarcus just posted it : I’m happy to say I’m going home to Texas and will be a Spur!! I’m excited to join the team and be close to my family and friends.
As someone who loves consumer fireworks, I found this immensely enjoyable. Awesome work.
Don’t see this as a fit. We have enough depth at the position.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c…in-david-west/
I agree, but it would be hard to turn down a player that good who’s willing to sign for cheap.
Pretty accurate. Good job!. I was very surprised Jordan left the Clippers. They were improving every year and probably should have won against the Rockets. Doc Rivers has always seems to have some type of drama with his point guards & other members of the team and evidentially one of their Big 3 bolts. It’ll be interesting these next couple of days on how they find a Big Late last night, it was reported Clips were shopping Jamal Crawford.. When will the Cavs ever see the Brendan Heywood contract (BHC) pay off? I’m seeing conflicting info on Stuckey. Would he… Read more »
Thanks! I was less surprised about DJ, especially with all the chatter out here in LA. Looks like it’s going to be a three way sign-and-trade between Clips, Mavs and Pacers (Mavs get DJ, Clips get Hibbert, Pacers get Ellis).
Cavs just being patient with Haywood contract. Lot of teams going to want to clear space…
is it bad that i say I’d rather see delly go to another team as a back up then become a 3rd stringer for us? He’s too fun to let him rot on the bench.
He’ll still get his 10-15 a night… particularly if he can keep improving his spot-up three point shooting…
This is great. Now I have this urge to spend a thousand bucks on fireworks.
GREAT JOB EVIL —-KEEP THINGS “REAL ” IN LA
Stay safe with your fireworks today, NOMAD! Happy 4th to you and MRS. NOMAD!
a A BIG HAPPY 4TH TO ALL YOU CTB’S—-ENJOY !! —-FIREWORKS ( AND BEER 0 TONIGHT) AT NOMAD’S—-IS THE T.T. DELAY AN ” INTENTIONAL ‘ POWERPLAY BY KLUTCH—–LAST YEAR KARL’S NAME CAME UP OFTEN AS THE CAVS COACH ( BOTH BEFORE AND DURING BLATT’S COACHING ) —KIND OF GLAD WE DIDN’T HIRE HIM —-LEBRON PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE RETURNING ( ALONG WITH POSSIBLY OTHER PLAYERS ) COUNT ME IN ON PURSUING STUCKEY ( TAKE HIM OVER MO )