Matchup Musings
2016-05-30With no Cavs game tonight, and the Western Conference Finals going back to Oakland for Game Seven, now seemed like a good time to look at the Cavaliers and how they match up with both of their potential opponents in the NBA Finals. There’s no doubt that the NBA Finals are going to be an absolute war regardless of whom the Cavaliers face, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t match up better against one of the Thunder or the Warriors than the other, regardless of who they may want to face.
It goes without saying, but the Thunder really blew it Saturday night. They led for the majority of the game, and were fending off Golden State’s runs with just enough of a burst of their own to keep the Warriors from taking control until the closing minutes of the game. Then the wheels completely came off. The Thunder didn’t score in the last 2:25 of the game, while the Warriors had nine points in the last 2:06 to take the game. OKC’s combination of terrible offense, bad defense, and constant turnovers was both amazing and awful to watch, and they’ve likely thrown away their best chance to win the series. Yes, there’s still game seven, but at this point it would be amazing to see the Thunder regroup from that loss and beat the Warriors in the Oracle Arena two days later. A Warriors-Cavaliers rematch in the Finals looks inevitable at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk-v5fQ4KEw
That’s a shame for the Cavs. While they are playing well enough to compete with, and beat either team, the Thunder seems like a better matchup for the Cavaliers in terms of both strengths and weaknesses. That’s amazing when you consider the greatness of Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook, but there’s a lot of evidence that it’s true.
Kevin Durant is an amazing player. His combination of length and shooting ability is unmatched in the league, and he’s improved as a two-way player every year of his career. He’s also 4-17 against LeBron James in his career in the regular season and playoffs combined. When they guard one another, LeBron’s superior strength gives Durant real problems on both ends of the floor, while Durant’s length is less of an advantage against James than almost every other wing in the league. Everyone talks about LeBron and Kobe, but Durant is the more natural rival in terms of both age and position, and the fact of the matter is LeBron owns Durant.
Much has been made lately about how the Cavaliers would guard Russell Westbrook. Would Kyrie Irving start on him? Would J.R. Smith? Would Iman Shumpert or Matthew Dellavedova try to check Westbrook? All of those things would likely happen, but the biggest thing teams do when they guard Westbrook—or Durant, or LeBron, or Stephen Curry—is pray. No one is stopping Russell Westbrook, but Russell Westbrook. The best thing for the Cavs would be for Westbrook to get too three-happy and shoot the Thunder out of the game. There’s a far better chance this happens with Westbrook than it does with Curry, and Curry is just as likely as Westbrook to torch the Cavaliers’ guards, if not more so. There’s also the fact that Curry might be a better overall defender than Westbrook, as Westbrook’s constant gambling often has a negative impact to his team’s defense. Curry doesn’t have the defensive upside of Westbrook, but he tends to play smarter overall defense.
Another pro of playing the Thunder is that the Cavaliers could hide Kyrie on Andre Roberson or Dion Waiters while Smith, Shumpert, and Dellavedova take turns on Westbrook. Both Roberson and Waiters have played extremely well in this playoff run, but the Cavs will be content to let them shoot away, especially if it means fewer attempts for Durant and Westbrook. Waiters has begun to eliminate some of those off-balance long two-point attempts from his game, but it’s not hard to see him getting a bit trigger-happy if he’s being guarded by Irving on the biggest state of all. If he does, the Cavs will love it. On the other end of the floor, Westbrook hasn’t shown the consistent focus to stay with an off-ball threat like Smith, has been torched by Irving throughout Kyrie’s career, and simply ignores Dellavedova from deep, despite the latter being a career 39.8% shooter from beyond the arc. So while Westbrook would undoubtedly torch the Cavaliers at times, they are in a good position to get much of that back on the offensive end.
Meanwhile, Irving doesn’t really have a place to hide if the Cavaliers face the Warriors. The alternative to guarding Curry would likely be to put him on Harrison Barnes. While Barnes is likely to soon become one of the most overpaid players in the league, he’s still five inches taller and thirty-some pounds heavier than Irving, and has a better post game and outside shot than Roberson or Waiters. Barnes would be able to either shoot over Irving on the perimeter, or muscle his way to the basket against him with relative ease.
It gets worse when the Warriors go small. In that case, Kevin Love would likely have to guard Barnes with Andrew Bogut on the bench, and Irving would defend probably defend Andre Iguodala, another player who is much bigger and stronger than Irving. Iguodala isn’t the shooter that Curry or Barnes are, but he’s a tremendous playmaker, who still can get to the rim in the right matchups. Even if having to choose between Curry or Westbrook is a no-win situation, the Cavs would prefer Irving guarding Waiters or Roberson, than Barnes or Iguodala.
The frontcourt battles against the Thunder seem to be better matchups for the Cavaliers as well. Enes Kanter is a gifted scorer, and may be one of the few players in the league who is a better offensive rebounder than Tristan Thompson. He’s also a poor defender, who would likely give back on defense nearly everything he earns on offense, and probably more if he’s guarding Kevin Love. Steven Adams and Serge Ibaka are better rim protectors than anyone on the Cavaliers, and they will also be tough covers for Thompson, Love, and Channing Frye due to their superior size. The Thunder are also one of the best rebounding teams of the last 20 years, and one of the few teams that may have the advantage on the glass against the Cavaliers That being said, what happens when Tyronn Lue goes with the Frye-Love frontcourt? How can Ibaka and Adams protect the rim and chase those two around on the perimeter? Can Billy Donovan even play Kanter and Adams together against the Cavs? While it’s a tough matchup for the Cavaliers’ big men, it’s certainly one they can win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-P_8TQIyhY
The Warriors are a much rougher matchup if only because of Draymond Green. Love simply cannot guard Green’s combination of strength, speed, and playmaking, while Green is the kind of smart and strong defender who can minimize Love’s impact, if not take him out of the game entirely. Thompson has as good of a chance on Green as nearly any big man defender in the league, and he and Love are better rebounders than anyone on the Warriors. The Cavaliers’ superiority on the boards was critical as they battled the Warriors in the Finals last season. However, Thompson is a complete non-shooter and good teams will sag off him until he gets the ball right at the basket. With Green’s mobility and Andrew Bogut as their last line of defense, the Warriors are as well-prepared to do that as anyone. Frye is a tough cover for any Warrior big outside of Green, but he could also be exploited on the defensive end and on the glass. The debate for the Cavaliers will be whether they go more with Thompson’s superior rebounding and his ability to at least try to guard Green, or Frye’s outside shooting if they think that the Warriors will struggle with guarding both him and Love. How does the Irving-Smith-James-Love-Frye lineup match up with the Warriors’ Curry-Thompson-Iguodala-Barnes-Green Death Lineup? Given the latter lineup’s ability to move the ball and constantly switch on defense, probably not as well as Cleveland fans hope.
The most interesting matchup could be the Death Lineup against the Cavalier’s second unit of LeBron alongside Dellavedova, Shumpert, Richard Jefferson, and Frye. Dellavedova has done a respectable job guarding Curry, considering the standard, while Shumpert was tremendous guarding Thompson in last year’s Finals. Jefferson is strong enough to match up with Barnes, and despite winning last year’s Finals MVP, Iguodala can’t really stop James. This leaves Green on Frye. Frye would struggle with guarding Green, but would also pull him away from the basket on defense. Of course these lineups would likely feature lots of switching as the Warriors would try to get Green on Jefferson and leave Frye to Barnes, which the Cavaliers might also be happy with as Jefferson has been more successful guarding bigger players versus quicker ones. Just thinking about all of the ways these two lineups could try to exploit one another makes my head hurt…
Regardless of what happens Monday night in Oakland, the Cleveland Cavaliers are in the NBA Finals for the second year in a row and just the third time in the franchise’s forty-six year history. This time though, they’re ready to truly give it their best shot to end Cleveland’s 52-year playoff drought. After a regular season that was definitely more tumultuous than anyone could have expected, the Cavaliers are healthy and playing their best basketball since LeBron James returned two years ago. While the Thunder seem like the better matchup, it’s been no secret that the Cavs want the Warriors with both teams fully healthy. It’s understandable if that makes Cavalier fans nervous, or even scared about what could happen next, but this team has done everything they could to make us believe in them. They are as ready as we could hope for them to be, and if there’s one thing this postseason has taught us, it’s that all the predictions in the world don’t really matter. You have to play the game. Right now, the Cleveland Cavaliers are playing the game as well as anyone.
Waiters still doesn’t look like he fits into this team. Like they just tolerate him. I bet they don’t even refer to him by his name, just call him by his number.
With respect, you are so wrong. He’s been their best backup ball handler, including Durant. He has made westbrook’s life so much easier and has gotten lots of assists to the big guys
Wow, amazing catch and finish by Russ…he’s incredible at times
So I wonder how studiously the Warriors ignore the NBA’s concussion protocols here.
They clearly went down the complete checklist…./s
I think Draymond pulled an Olynyk on Adams. Adams was smart enough to fall, so that he could not dislocate his arm.
Horrible Reffing. Should be a foul on green or no call. And green should be kicked out of the dang game on his next offense
Lol @ Reggie: “That should be a no call”
Seriously!!!!!??????
Draymond just hurt his own self. Plz be reasonable refs…dray clearly did that to himself
LOL again! The Oracle crowd is chanting “Throw him out!” about Adams.
That could be a flagrant 1…..LMAO J/L LOL
But if it would just be a common foul on Green, it can’t be called after the fact, right?
Unbelievable. I bet adams gets a flagrant…
I think Reggie is actually right for once: a take-down by Green.
Draymond hooked his arm and took Adams down… and he’s going to get away with it. WOW
Exactly, I hope the NBA don’t continue to avoid dealing with Green.
Wow He pulled Adams down !! No BS please!!!!
Hope Draymond has a nice headache
Green must have kicked Adams so hard he threw his leg out
Wow, Westbrook…
Roberson has missed multiple point blank shots. Those misses have really hurt the Thunder.
OKC missing so many put back shots. Have to convert.
Channeling my inner Barkley: Time for someone to take Klay out.
Robertson missing layup put backs.
Man, talk about a quick trigger.
I actually dislike Klay more than Curry…so tired of that nonsense
He’s a good player dude. Busts his ass on defense and throws the ball into the hoop. Respect him
He’s good….I’m tired of him
I dislike both but again the thunder has to be aware and match up with them all the time.
That was their fault.
LOL! Curry thinks a hand to the face isn’t a foul.
Can’t stand all these rich entitled pea brains in the Oracle!!!
Golden Child with a foul, incredible
Flashback: Hero-ball fail at one end, Klay 3 at the other.
Just leave that stupidity at the gate, Russ
If the thunder don’t run out of gas it seems they really have a shot at pulling this one.
I’m telling you. I’m not sure I want the Thunder. This defense when at its best, is brutal, and they’re one of the teams the Cavs can’t outrebound.
I don’t think the Thunder are any gimme, I just think the Warriors are far, far worse for the Cavs…
I’m loving how Roberson has made the Dubs pay this series….they are trying to ignore him, and he’s just taking advantage
Shumpert should take notes!
I really need to go to bed. But because the Thunder are playing well I’m going to stay up, only to watch the Warriors turn a 25-point swing in the fourth quarter, send it to double over time and win.
OkC playing like a team. We need to be careful what we ask for…
Klay due to go 0-23 from 3
Good foul. Kanter….if you’re going to foul, make sure you foul him…
Speights looks like Charlie Brown. Those eyes are so beady
Seriously, screw Speights
If the Warriors win, I’m going to beseech the basketball gods to cut us a break this year on the Herculoids. Let them be mediocre, or even bad.
Starting Iggy over Barnes not working out too good.
Curry has already crossed the point, where he is insufferable. I don’t know if fans of, say, the Magic view him the same way, but I hope they do. ESPN’s absolute golden boy, he gets away with things and situations a cash cow as big as Lebron could only dream of. Imagine Lebron being down 3-1 in a series he should win, let alone one after a 73-win season. That’s why part of me wants them to win today, so that we can embarass them. Then again, I would be equally as happy if we don’t play them at all.
Dion is making a huge difference for the thunder. This is the waiters we expected to develop in Cleveland.
Dion is always a little out of control, but he’s so much better on those drive and kicks than he is just standing out taking jump shots
If the thunder would had played like this in game six (team ball) this series would be over.
Crafty play by Dion setting up that Kanter 15 footer!
Nice Dion drive and dish
So far between Robertson and Waiters I believe they are 0-4 from three.
Again it will come down to Deion, Robertson and the rest of the role players to hit their open shots.
I really hope Donovan manages KD/Westbrook’s minutes better tonight… I know it’s game 7, but they need to be effective through the end of the 4th. IMO, 38-40 min > 44-46
Not enough ketchup in the world to season a hotdog as big as Curry…
Nice to see Russ doing pick and roll stuff, but the other guys need to hit those shots…
See, that’s where we have an advantage. I think our guys hit those.
I agree but again our guys have to hit those. I know JR will and Kyrie but the Cavs also need KLove and Frye to be consistent with their shots.
Exactly Ibaka has missed two layups basically.
KD looking much better than game six.
Pretty cheap foul on Adams…pretty close to vertical
Home cookin’, Klay sold it well
Thunder running the better offense, imo. Curry just doing what he does. OKC better not let him get in a rhythm.
I’m normally against such extreme measures, but I’m ready for the “should we just round up everyone in Oracle tonight and send them straight to concentration camps” conversation…
How does a guy with arms that little have so much wrist strength?
I think a lot of it comes from proper balance and core strength too!
Curry’s on fire already
If GS is going to get every freaking long rebound again, forget it…
Well fellow CtBers, let’s get our popcorn ready and enjoy tonight! As Coach Lue said, “We want to play the winner!”
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Cavs have a better offense than either Thunder or Warriors. I would only want the Thunder because of home court advantage. Cavs will definitely have the best player against the Warriors, not sure if you can say the same thing vs the Thunder. We’ll see, maybe I’ll be proven extremely wrong, but I think this Warriors team has been leaking oil for a couple months and they are unloading the clip against the Thunder. I would expect the Cavs to win that series in 5 or 6. But the Thunder…their ceiling is higher than any other team right now. As… Read more »
I think you are in for a rude surprise….if the Warriors win tonight. But we’ll see….
Cavs are short one athletic defender against the Warriors. If it’s GS, we would probably need three point shooting like in the Atlana series to win. If it’s the Thunder, we wouldn’t be betting favorites but I think we would take a 7 game series. Just hoping KD and Westbrook go ballistic tonight. At least they can’t have 6 turnovers together in the last four minutes. OKC has already won three road games against two teams who only lost three total between them all year. Much more than a punchers chance tonight.
The Warriors are worst case matchup for the Cavs, IMO. The Cavs are sort of built to mimic the Warriors, problem is they just are nearly as good as them at their game. OKC would be interesting in that I think the Thunder could definitely try their big lineup, play Kanter a lot, etc, which is formidable if you can’t make them pay defensively. Moz might actually need to get some run in that event. Rooting hard for the Thunder…they should have taken game 6, but they didn’t. Much like at least two regular season games against the Warriors where… Read more »
Do the Cavs have a shot against either team? Probably. Are they the favorites? Probably not. But it’s hard to go against this Cavs team that has won 10 straight and has the best offensive efficiency.
If KD wants to re-establish himself as a top 3 player, he’ll find a way tonight.
Warriors are a matchup nightmare for anyone, but especially the Cavs. I am really rooting for OKC tonight and I think that they have a punchers chance. While OKC definitely blew it in terms of late game execution, Klay Thompson’s shooting was some of the most clutch, unconscious shooting I’ve ever seen. When he caught the ball at the top of the key, and didn’t even square up to hit a 30 foot shot I knew the Thunder were in big time trouble. Nobody can shoot like that every night, unfortunately the Warriors have two guys who can get hot… Read more »
I fear the worst with the Warriors winning tonight. I think our best hope is that Iggy has lost a bit since last year and LBJ scores with more efficiency. That plus hot shooting from Kyrie and KLove and we have a chance. But I am not very optimistic, this is going to be a mountain to climb to win 4 games. I wonder if the Cavs should focus on beating up Draymond, having TT and LeBron go after him. I would love to see the Thunder take the Dubs down, of course. I love it when the Warriors want… Read more »
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Thorough, sobering analysis, Mike. I agree that the Thunder are far better for the Cavs. However, the Thunder have their own matchup problems with GS and nearly took them in 6. It’ll probably come down to how well we help on defense. I’ll be interested to see if we employ a similar switching strategy on Steph. There are some guys with length and strength that could make life difficult. I also think Kyrie steps up here. He’s never gonna be considered for DPOY, but he played Steph to a draw in game one last year–with a gimpy leg.
If there is one thing I have noticed in these WCF, it’s the poor body language of both teams. Even when the Cavs got roasted by Toronto in games 3-4, they did not look as visibly beaten as the Warriors and Thunder have at different points in their series. I think that comes back to having a coach and a player coach who the team listen to and respect. This may be a Finals that comes down to leadership…