Finals Live Thread: Cavs @ Warriors, Game 2 (#doingwhatyoudo)
2017-06-04The Warriors had 56 points in the paint in game one. They had 21 points off of turnovers. They had 18 second chance points.i
Each of those numbers needs to come down in game two. No matter what the Cavs do, they must work on controlling the ball after misses, defending the paint, and protecting the ball. There’s lots of reasons they have to do those things. For one, they help win basketball games. But really, it’s because those are the things the Cavs can be better than the Warriors at.
The Warriors are known for whipping the ball around, hitting 3s, and running. The Cavs are known for hitting 3s too, but only after a hard drive and kick, or on ball screen. In a lot of ways, when these teams are both at their best, they are doing their damage from deep. Often times, it’s impossible to stop them from raining 3s, no matter the defensive scheme is. There’s a reason the Cavs are number one in 3-point percentage this post season and the Warriors are number four.
In game one the Cavs, allowed the Warriors to hit just 12 3s. That was solid, but it came at the expensive of the above mentioned areas. Areas the Cavs can win at.
The Wine and Gold need to not worry about stopping the inevitable 3s that will come by sacrificing rebounding to get out to shooters, or running to shooters and giving up dunks on fast breaks. The Warriors will hit their long ball one game. The Cavs will too.
Cleveland can protect the rim against the Warriors. The Warriors aren’t looking to kill you with drives. The want to get back cuts, get out in transition , and hit 3s. Cleveland doesn’t have to worry about some over the top jumping dunk dude. There’s no guy one the Warriors whose number skill is getting into the paint necessarily. Why let them dominate down low? The Cavs can own the paint. Kyrie Irving can get to the rack. Tristan Thompson can roll hard. LeBron James can post up, use his shoulder on drives, or roll to the rim.
Cleveland is also definitively the better rebounding team. Kevin Love had 21 by himself in game one. Tristan Thompson is usually able to snag five or six offensive boards a night, and LeBron James can grab how ever many boards he decides too. The Cavs out rebounded the Warriors by nine in game one and that’s including the 15 offensive boards they gifted Golden State. Cleveland has out boarded teams by four per night in the playoffs. The Warriors just 1.8 per night in the playoffs.
The Cavs are also much better at protecting the ball. Statistically both teams play semi-loose given their turnovers per game this season, but the Warriors will play very lose and fast the more comfortable they get in a game. They also pass the ball much more than Cleveland.
Cleveland throws one or two passes before they shoot the ball. There’s not as much that can go wrong. They can focus more on each action offensively because they aren’t doing as much as Golden State. And, they must do that. Their transition defense is awful, so why not stop transition ball from happening as often by not turning it over?
If you still don’t believe that the turovers, points in the paint, and rebounds are really what matters for Cleveland, let’s look at the simple math. The Warriors took 106 shots on Thursday. The Cavs took just 86. If both teams take the same number of 3s, and hit the same percentage from the floor, who is going to win the game? The Cavs need the math to be in their favor, no matter how their offense is doing.
I’m picking the Cavs to clean up their act tonight. They’ve got this game, 113-101.
They friggin cheaT. They’re already unguardable but if we can’t get damn calls it’s literally impossible to play basketball
Not expecting much from JR this series…
What a regression from the Finals JR of last year so far
How does green not get t’d up for yelling f$@@$n! BS at the ref while waving his arm. Please someone explain that to me.
That’s a really good question.
It’s total bs he wasn’t t’eed up
Dial in the stroke here Kyle.
MikeO. What is your problem? Cavs are really freaking good. It just so happens that the warriors are too. What more do you want?
Why are you already apologizing for them losing? It’s only game 2.
Whatever.
Hope Lebron has something left in the tank in the 4th. Playing all out.
The refs treat curry like he is made of glass that will break at the slightest imaginary contact. If you even imagine touching in your head, they call a foul.
Yep. And James is getting zero calls even as he attacks on every play.
Thompson even couldn’t believe he got called for hitting LBJ in the throats on the one drive. The hubris of the warriors has created their own self-delusional reality.
Green just said bullshit….that’s a technical!
Cmon, Bray, get a T….
If you can conceivably chant mvp for two players on your team..m
Hey… Channing finally playing! Sorry, just caught up…
We need to come out and knock curry on his ass
Korver-Williams exploited on the PnR before they even have a chance to get up to game speed.
These two teams are clearly head and shoulders above every other NBA team.
If Cavs get swept, do they get a participation trophy?
MAYBE IF WE CAN WEATHER THIS STORM —WE WILL BE O.K.
No it was not a difficult call in real time.
I’m tired of hearing about Durant. That guy isn’t making the Cavs played too fast. He’s not making them spin around with nowhere to go. He’s not making them avoid playmaking in the post. The Cavs are doing so many dumb things because they are shrinking in the moment. It’s an embarrassment when you have this much salary wrapped up in a team.
Agree. It’s an excuse. Cavs need to play better to compete.
It’s not an excuse. It’s the truth
Irving playing like hot stinking steaming garbage on a 100 degree day.
We are Hopeless if we’re going to turn the damn ball over.
AGREE WITH YOU COLS WOULD BE LIKE ADDING PAUL GEORGE NEXT YEAR AND JUST LOSING LIKE SHUMP
NBA needs to do something about these horse$hit ‘shooting fouls’…they are killing the game…
Give me a break.
Irving is killing us this quarte
LeBron is fully engaged.
Bunch of frauds.
HOPE THAT IGNITES LEBRON !!!
Well. At least we still have James.
Nice Lebron
A Frye sighting
This team doesn’t run a coherent offense which worked last year when the warriors had guys you could exploit without them recovering but Durant is a better defender than Barnes.
Ugh. They had 120 offensive rating through the playoffs.
Going against terrible teams. Isn’t that what you have been claiming all year?
So did the warriors. We are their only competition.
Means literally nothing unless they can score against the warriors.
I want to type things that will get me kicked off this blog
Oooooo boy.
Adding a top 3 player to our roster would be nice.
VAN GUNDY IS A MUSHROOM
The warriors d is much better with Durant. Also, the refs haven’t called basically anything on the warriors unless it is so blatantly obvious that if they didn’t make the call, it would appear like they were fixing the game.
17-5 run since we went up 11-6 4 minutes ago… need to do better
LeBron is the only smart player on this roster. Everyone else looks like they don’t belong.
They belong. They are definitely at the very least the 2nd best team in the NBA. The problem is durant.
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/871522174284161024
Can’t do this Kyrie. Too much ISO leads to the turnover
kyrie and TT looking horrific wouldn’t mind a Frye and DWill replacement
You wanna lose, Kyrie? Because plays like that get you beat…
Mother effing defensive break downs and turnovers….
Better start. Attacking the hoop and not turning the ball over.
So many ways the warriors cheat. They get into the lane prior to every free throw. They grab jerseys every rebound. They set lead blocks instead of screens and seal guys with their arms instead of body. And don’t get called for slaps and smacks. It’s infuriating.
Draymond reaches over the back after the rebound to slow down a fast break
Van Gundy has never seen a watch party before?
Jr……
Zaza is getting away with a lot of contact down low
another decent start but that was case last game….JR looking useless already and TT not doing much of anything….see how rest of quarter goes….Lebron really picking apart Warriors D though which is good
I don’t want to watch a creepy old man feeding a little girl KFC.
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/871520843020460033
LOVE OUT TO SILENCE THE CRITICS —–ALL NIGHT LONG KLOVE !!
Looks like another track meet
Love Love.
Crap. Hope he’s alright
Fricking tony brothers. That’s a charge.
That’s not even a 50-50 call. That’s a charge.
Cmon now.
NFL players can’t take their helmets off. New rule for the NBA: Can’t take mouthguard out on the court.
I’m for it. It would probably force Curry to the China league.
The JR special. Let’s hope he’s got it out of the way and doesn’t have one left in him at a pivotal moment.
Sigh….JR….
I think our intensity is up a few notches
Great start at both ends by Love
Great look early! Warriors not being same ball pressure.
Love that finish by Love…he needs to do that big time…you switch, you get burned…
https://twitter.com/cs_mcgowan/status/871516718639841281
all Cavs mistakes are easily correctible..its about hustle and energy….Cavs have to crash the boards and make wide open shots….no coast to coast bs…..foul these guys hard….and please other guys not named kyrie lebron and kevin….please stand the hell up and do something!!! GO CAVS!!
Steve Kerr is back, probably to counter the Cavs’ black unis. I’d whip a pass at his head.
Lol you really are all in
I’m a d**k.
Let’s hope that the Cavs fight more tonight, win or lose.
20 MORE SHOTS IS POTENTIALLY BETWEEN 30 – 50 MORE PTS ——AS A COACH THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS I CONCENTRATE ON 2ND CHANCE PTS —-PTS ON T.O’S FOR AND AGAINST US —–GO CAVS —-STILL BELIEVING IN BELIEVELAND !!!
The mere thought of Zaza getting a ring makes me sick. Him and Scola are straight up Euro trash.