Finals Live Thread: Game Five, Cavs @ Warriors
2017-06-12Man do I hate the Dubs. I mean nothing gets me as lathered up as a good sports hate, but that team is something else. I spent the last live thread talking about what is so loathsome about Curry, Steph, and KD, and did a liberal amount of quoting from Cullen Galagher’s If You Like the Warriors, You Are a Bad Fan and You Should Feel Bad, Too. I especially appreciated his descriptions of Steph Curry, “whose entire persona can be summed up by the phrase ‘my dad bought this for me,'” mainly because they apply to Klay Thompson too. And we all know that KD is a frontrunning weiner.
But if there’s a proverbial “straw that stirs the drink” for Golden State, it’s Draymond Green. Draymond put on quite a show Friday. From smacking Shump in the head, to picking up two technicals, to getting one rescinded, to clocking Tristan Thompson in the head on a play that wasn’t even reviewed, Dray had quite a night. And remember, Kevin Love got dinged for the weakest flagrant foul call in NBA history after KD whined about getting hit in the noggin.
Draymond also had nothing smart to say after and referred to Clevelanders as “not very sharp,” and then doubling down on that statement again yesterday. It’s safe to say that Dray is a little full of himself. He’s also the key to Cleveland winning this game. Green wants this game desperately, and for all his bravado, you know there’s no way he wants to go back to the North Coast. And Draymond has a history of losing his composure in moments like these. The Cavs need to go at him every second, not necessarily when he’s on defense, but they need to be right next to him goading him at all times. They need pump fakes and prods and pokes in the ribs to try to get himself to do something dumb to get kicked out of the game. And if I’m Richard Jefferson I’m walking near him every time he gets a foul against him and he flails his arm in disgust. Hopefully Dray hits someone and gets himself ejected. I wish they still had Delly.
It’s baffling why Draymond gets the deference he does from NBA officials, because there’s perhaps no one in the NBA who abuses the refs the way ‘Dray does. He intimidates them. The one thing the Cavs need to do is not be intimidated, and they need to be insistent with the refs, without being whiny or lazy on defense. Game four was the first game in which the Warriors didn’t get away with their nonstop defensive fouling. Cleveland must maintain their aggressiveness and put the onus on the officials to make calls or risk this game getting violently out of hand. SI’s Kenny Ducey said it best.
What happened on Friday is best described as shady, just like Dikembe Mutombo prematurely congratulating the 76ers on the first overall pick in the 2016 NBA draft, or the Knicks winning the ’85 lottery. Going back and retroactively removing a foul from Green, keeping him in the game, will live in infamy and fuel even more league conspiracy theories. If anything, it’s making those who truly believe the league influences the outcome of its games and seasons look more rational. Referees need to regain control, and practice transparency and consistency in their calls.
Stopping Green is key because the difference between Green and everyone else at the center spot is stark. Green’s foul trouble has limited Kerr’s ability to play Golden State’s vaunted “Death Lineup.” According to clutchpoints.com, that lineup is killing the Cavs.
The feared lineup has only seen the court for 17 of the total 192 minutes of playing time through four games, netting a 141.7 offensive rating, 69.4 defensive rating.
Meanwhile, Zaza (he who faced no punishment for jabbing at Iman Shumpert’s jewels) was a dumpster fire in game Four, and someone the Cavs will try to consistently exploit in game five. Expect him to play less.
Aside from getting Green to destruct, the key will be maintaining pressure on the Warriors. The longer they aren’t way out in front, the more they’re going to start getting nervous. The question? Will the Dubs’ sense of entitlement, preening, and lack of discipline be their unraveling? God, I hope so.
I would take the same defensive game plan the Cavs had in game one: do not let the shooters get going, even if it means giving up the occasional scrub layup. What needs to change though, is that the Cavs can’t lose KD in transition and just let him go coast to coast (or anyone for that matter).
There are a couple other keys too. First, the Cavs have to start boxing out Steph Curry. He’s averaged over rebounds a game so far in the finals, with double digits in three of the games. It’s also good to do, because leaning on a guy like Steph can sap his legs. Lay some wood on the dude on rebounds. And it’s not just Steph. The Cavs can’t lose the rebounding battle and expect to win. TT, especially, has got to start using positioning, and not just athleticism on rebounds.
Another key is winning the bench minutes. I’m convinced that if Deron Williams plays and doesn’t play well, the Cavs can’t win this game. I’d be much happier seeing Derrick Williams at the two with the Cavs’ jumbo lineup to start the second and fourth quarters, but Lue doesn’t seem included to play that much. Derrick was at his best this year when the Cavs played him as a utility two who could run the floor, dive to the basket, handle a little and hit open threes. He’s a great option against Shawn Livingston, who’s consistently posted up every little guard the Cavs have put on him. I hope Ty has the same thought.
I’m not going to get into the Shump/JR/Kyle debate, but suffice it to say, the Cavs are going to be small a lot. There will be minutes for all three, and they all have to play well.
We know what LeBron and Kyrie can do, and they’ll have to be great. But Kevin Love is my key. He’s been outstanding so far this finals, averaging, 18.5, 11.5 rebounds, 2.8 steals, and a block. His defensive headiness has broken up so many plays. Love’s also shooting 43% from outside, but Kevin has to has to has to start finishing inside. He’s got to go up strong and use one or two pump fakes and a very strong shot to either put the ball in the bucket or go to the line. Kev’s 12-31 inside the arc, and he has to be better and more aggressive. Also, Cleveland has to look for him inside, especially of the Warriors get in foul trouble. If Dray is on Kev or LeBron, and he’s in foul trouble, The Cavs have to go after him on the roll or in the post, and either LeBron or Love have to make him pay.
Golden State feels entitled to this championship, and the Cavs must give no quarter and cause the Warriors to lose their composure. We know they’re capable of doing it to the Dubs and KD. The Cavs played a perfect game from a pace standpoint Friday, running selectively, but conserving energy when they needed to. The pace mastery must continue, and Cleveland must avoid the temptation to get into a fast break contest. They also must take care of the ball. Another 20-4 debacle like game one will give the Dubs the trophy. The long the Cavs’ seem undaunted, the more the Dubs will unravel.
Game five starts in an hour. One game. Just one more game.
Keep that POS off thd boards, please
LeJordan out here with these swishes
Bron is FEELING IT!
if you leave green open for 3, how can you not also box out?
Steal & hoop No. 2:
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/874436478293598208
Steal & hoop No. 1:
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/874436044027867138
Pachulia now looking like .. Pachulia.
Zaza=trash
Lol. Zaza is a clod
Zaza moves like a giant toddler.
HA EFF YOU ZAZA!
A TT steal!
Good D by JR on Klay
RJ, see the ball… Coulda snagged that soft pass out of the corner.
Snoop Dogg should be ashamed of himself…
Look at all these former Laker celeb fans supporting GS… pathetic
EG post Delly’s latest tweet in here!
https://twitter.com/matthewdelly/status/874432782990233600
Zaza maybe worse than Draymond?
That layup by Irving was insane.
Well… I really like the aggression so far
If that’s not a punch in the mouth….
Kyrie just owns Braymond. Damn!
Well that was a pleasant sequence.
What a sequence from Kyrie and the King! Two steals two buckets!
YEAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
Two GREAT STEALS!!
And two really nice finishes
Lol Bray…how’d that taste?
YES!! TURNOVERS!!
8 points 9 seconds offense!!!
Thanks for the pump up Nate.
We win this, it’s awesome. We lose, I’m gonna tee up game 6 from last year – the mouthguard episode. It’s my happy place.
Haha. Yeah.
LOL that was the greatest home game in Cavs history. That oop from JR to LeBron on the fast break!
Rigged. I saw it live srry. I will not be silent.
Cheers, I’ll drink to that and join in in that.
Zaza is sumo wrestling under the basket.
I’ll go ahead and say it again…F you, Zaza…trash…
Love with two fouls is a huge problem…
One that he actually committed of course
Are you flipping kidding me refs?! He has all of love’s jersey and gets the foul call?
I really hate Zaza
Look at Pachouli Oil grabbing Love’s jersey… SMH
More ref BS.
Kyrie just broke Lue’s cardinal rule about trying to help guys up…
This looks like the first two games
Argh TT… how do you let ZaZa get that board?
I really believe that Bray will teally drop off a cliff when he starts to decline…
Draymond is such a garbage mouth…
Have a good feeling so far. This crowd sucks.
TT aggression!
Cavs won tip! Great sign
Cavs win tip… I forget is that a good sign or a bad one?
Sample size is too small.
Steve Kerr kind of sucks in the playoffs. Hopefully he continues to play is terrible bench guys.
He does have the best playoff record in history, FYI…
https://twitter.com/jadande/status/874433164374036480
Cmon cavs!!! Punch em in the mouth again!
Thinking of getting high to mute the pain.
Fire in the hole!
it leads to some craters with a loss tho
Fre Taco Bell tomorrow.
Toughest test tonight. Let’s go Cavs!
Can’t stand listening to either SVG or Jackson. Sound is off again. Go Cavs. Loved RJ saying if Cavs win Game 5, there WILL be a Game 7.
+1 on the mute button
Listen to the radio
Mute and turn on the radio broadcast with Hubie!!
like how they show 2 cavs but 4 warriors hahaha….arent cavs defending champs?
I would like to see Hamilton.
“Final Live Thread: Game Five”
Uh oh. Freudian slip or do you know something we don’t know, Nate? Better not be our Final Live Thead!
Fixed…
Sorry. Think EG fixed.
I don’t want tacos… I want the whole enchilada!
Is that a still photo of Steph praying for KD last summer?
Please Mark Jackson get a coaching gig so I don’t have to hear you any more.
hahaha from comments to pod caps you don’t like him very much
i can’t recall Warrior fans being this hyped for game 5 last year but maybe I’m wrong….key for Cavs is to get out strong and keep crowd out of it much as possible
Idk. That crowd sounded pretty weak.
If nothing else, lets rough them up!
Wooderson still talking to his Buick. Ugh
Paul Pierce is so terrible. Still bruised from Lebron thrashings, too…
Eh. Paul got him early though
0% from pierce.
Let’s go Cavs!!!
This about crew is awful. Just awful.
Abc
have a feeling this game will be near repeat of last years game with kyrie and lebron going off….i also think Korver gets hot in this game….he’s had 4 Finals games to digest and he is smart to figure out the environment and the pressure…he has been getting open shots all series so i think this will be game he goes nuts….but again if any other Cav goes crazy especially a bench guy, Cavs will be in good shape….match the energy and effort and don’t give an inch….think officiating will be better than Game 4 and may just let guys… Read more »
OUR MOTTO FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON—-” JUST ONE MORE GAME “
Let’s goooooooooo
The good thing is that we’ve proven we can play with them and that Love can be a force. I’m all about running this team back with some bench reinforcements win or lose.
Love this Nate!!!! I hate them as well.