Recap: Cleveland 102, Boston 99 (or, a win, prayers, and other strangeness)
2017-10-18This game had everything: spectacular plays, gruesome injuries, amazing comebacks, awful officiating, baffling coaching decisions, and the best basketball player in the universe prevailing late. It promises to be a long, enigmatic, frustrating, and jaw dropping season for Cleveland.
The game started out with Kyrie canning a floater after being booed during the opening introductions and the game going back and forth before the unthinkable happened.
Gordon Hayward went up for an alley oop and LeBron contested, bumping him up high. Somehow Hayward’s leg got caught under him, and it folded as he crumpled to the floor. Everyone stopped. “Gordon Hayward is down… Gordon Hayward has broken his leg,” Kevin Harlan intoned soberly. Normally announcers don’t speculate on injuries, but it was completely obvious as Hayward’s leg was dangling sideways just above the ankle. Everyone on the floor looked away. Dwyane Wade took a knee and started praying. After some time as the arena never rose above a low murmer, Hayward was taken off in a stretcher to the well wishes of all the players and the fans.
Play eventually resumed, but no one’s mind was on the game. Boston was obviously shell-shocked and running through the motions as they saw their season flash before their eyes. Cleveland double teamed Kyrie every time he dribbled up top, in a help and recover scheme, and Irving didn’t press the issue, content to work the offense, even though his teammates were bricking shot after shot.
For the Cavs, J.R. came in and gave great energy, with a much better floor game than we saw from him all last season. His dribble looked live, and he had a pull up, a nice floater, a corner three, and set up Tristan with a nice alley oop early. Wade scored an and-one to close out the quarter and put the Cavs up 29-19.
James looked none the worse for wear as Rose found him with two quick assists. And then it was the LBJ show. He was driving, dishing, rebounding, running the floor as an anemic Boston offense subsisted off scoring from a rare three and drive from Jaylen Brown and a couple Aron Baynes jumpers. Crowder had a very nice first half complementing James with 11 points. Crowder is so glue. He doesn’t do anything flashy, but he is a fundamentally great finisher, hits the corner three, hits his free throws, and moves the ball when the easy score isn’t there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uJYXX83Y40
As the halftime buzzer sounded after a Kyrie stepback brick, the Cavs were up 54-38.
After Wade and Rose turnovers lead to a Smart layup and a Kyrie to Tatum oop in the first 40 seconds. Ty Lue called timeout. It was obvious the Celtics had been given “Win one for the Gordo” speech in the locker room. Boston looked fiesty and were flying around the court. The Cavs looked like they were playing Memphis third stringers on the road in late January. Fortunately, Cleveland had Kevin Love banging in techs (three on the game), Wade hitting old man post-ups, and LeBron taking advantage or the Celtics’ over aggressiveness to spin and thunder home dunks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgAMgyFwGM
You had to admire the Celtics fight, though, and as the third quarter wore on, they clawed their way back from an 18 point deficit. Cleveland started taking and missing quick threes, Wade starting turning it over, and Jaylen Brown started getting to the rack, by diving to the rim when Al Horford got the ball in the post and found him on cuts. Marcus Smart complemented by posting up everyone in Clevleand not named LeBron James. Smart scored over and over and over dropping 12 on six shots in the quarter.
The third was all about the Cavs playing lazy defense, taking stupid shots, and turning the ball over while Smart, Tatum, and Brown ran the floor and attacked the rim when in the half-court. The young guns combined for a whopping 28 points in a 33-18 third. Love’s jumper was wet from canning all those freebies, and the Cavs guards kept ignoring him to take long twos and turn the ball over with bad passes and very loose handles.
As Love and James went to the bench for Thompson and Green, things seem to turn up as Thompson hit a diving Green for a beautiful finish off the bump over Aron Baynes. But it was all pyrite as the Cavs started running offense through Green who was content to do things like dribble around for 10 seconds then clank inexplicable 20 footers. Meanwhile, the old problems with Rose reared their head.
Derrick great at straight line drives, floaters, and athletic moves to the bucket. But when he gets tired, like in the late third. He has little to fall back on. He struggles setting up teammates and doesn’t even try to run pick and rolls (as the Cavs rarely did all night). Rose struggled with his floater and was clearly winded but Lue had little choice but to keep riding him with Wade and LeBron having to rest.
Meanwhile, Smart was straight up abusing Kyle Korver in the post while Ty Lue refused to call for a switch, a double, or substitution, leading to six points in the last two minutes for Smart. Cleveland was only saved by a push and miracle three by Rose to beat the buzzer and leave the Cavs up 72-71 after having just surrendered the lead on a 28-8 Boston Run. The Problems in the third were palpable. How do you not run a play for Korver? How does Lue not make an adjustment on Smart?
Thank God the Cavs have LeBron James. He started the final 12 by finding Green on a cut, and Jeff threw it down with much frivolity. The commentariat was amazed someone finally made a move off the ball for the Cavs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib1spjI_Jpk
The refs were content to swallow their whistles and let Boston bully LeBron on every drive, and on offense, Kyrie Irving started heating up. His first big bucket came when two Cavs ran to Horford and left Kyrie wide open for a right wing trey to give the Celtics a a 79-78 lead. Then they set him up Uncle Drew with a Banes hand-off/screen to free Irving for another trey from the top right. Irving was really letting the game come to him as he fed guys for shots around the basket when doubled and slithered around screens to free himself for jumpers. Rozier hit him from the same spot a couple minutes later for another three to put Boston up 87-84 with six left.
Somehow Shump scored a couple buckets before being complicit in two turnovers which let Boston push the lead to three again. LeBron dropped a bulldozer layup, but Kyrie just kept dishing as he he hit Brown for a three and Tatum for a layup sandwiched around a LeBron “I’m the biggest bad*** on the planet” triple. A Jaylen Brown J and another Tatum layup drive off a Kyrie dime sandwiched a “Best friends alley oop” for LeBron from Wade. Jae Crowder set a perfect backscreen on the play, but Boston was still up three.
Mr. Clutch tonight was Kevin Love. He got himself an O-Board got himself two at the line. Then LeBron pirouetted into a layup that had the commentariat asking, “was that was three steps our four?” Suddenly the Cavs were up one with 1:19 left.
Crowder and James forced a bad pass on the baseline, and then Ty Lue redeemed a putrid coaching night with a fantastic set play that put Kevin wide open in the right corner. Check it out on this random internet guy’s TV.
The execution here was ridiculous: Love comes up high like he might set a screen for Wade and instead Crowder back-screens for James while Wade pitches to Crowder, to James. Rose cuts from the corner to vacate, and then James feeds Kevin in the corner for a moneyball J. I knew it was good before it left his hands. Why can’t the Cavs execute like that every play? Still, there was much rejoicing.
Up four, it seemed won before one of the dumbest plays I ever seen from Shumpert as he fouled Irving before the inbound, giving Boston a freebie and the ball and making it a one possession game. Fortunately, Kyrie Missed a floater, James milked 22 seconds before throwing up a three, and then Brown clanged a too-wide-open trey in transition. It bounced right to Irving who shorted a pump fake three from the right corner as the buzzer sounded, the crowd exploded, and LeBron hugged him goodnight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQaShJHyMdw
Thoughts:
This team doesn’t run an offense 80% of the time and just kind of hot dogs it. The guards’ unwillingness to set up shots for Love or Korver is really frustating. Kyle played seven minutes and didn’t get a shot. That’s insane. There’s no reason for him to be out there if they’re not going to set him up. Kev went 4-9 (6-7 at the line) while Rose and Wade went 8-24. They just take too many long twos. Between that and refusing to reign in Jeff Green and Shump’s groan inducing freelancing, Ty Lue drives me nuts. I have to believe he’s trying to let guys play through the mistakes. I have to believe that.
Wade did play some great defense at times though. He had two blocks this game, including an absolutely clutch one on Banes late. Dwyane is the greatest shotblocking guard I’ve ever seen.
The Cavs had 17 turnovers. And though they cleaned it up in crunch time, it wasn’t pretty. Wade and LeBron each had four. Though I’m pretty sure they got stick with one or two of Shumps. Speaking of Shump, he just does one or two completely head scratching things a game. That foul on Kyrie was one of them. I guess he got away with it tonight.
J.R. finished with 10 points in 22 minutes, and is clearly playing with a chip on his shoulder. He finished +7. Wade had eight points on 3-10 shooting in 30 minutes with a 0 plus minus. Rose was -7 and went 5-14 for 14 points in 31 minutes. Let’s distribute these minutes a little more evenly, coach? Also, don’t exhaust Rose by playing him the entire third.
Kevin Love’s stroke look sharp. Yeah, he finished below 50% and 1-4 from three, but his freebies looked mostly perfect. He should’ve gotten more looks. He finished with 15 and 11.
Jae Crowder is the perfect teammate. He never takes bad shots. Moves the ball and plays great defense. I love him. I’d like to move into a nice apartment in Tremont with him. He’s making me come around on the Irving trade. He finished with 11 and +7 in 34 minutes. He should be playing 36 minutes every night.
The Cavs were very lucky the Celtics can’t shoot. Boston went 8-32 from downtown, which actually topped the Cavs’ 5-22 percentage. Has David Griffin’s departure decreased the focus and execution on the three ball for Cleveland? The Cavs went 21-25 at the free throw line, though which included an 0-2 Tristan Thompson trip. Maybe this is the Korver effect. He ought to be doing something for his $7 mil. He can’t guard anyone, and Cleveland doesn’t pass to him.
Speaking of Irving, I was really impressed: 22 points and 10 assists. The Cavs fans never really seemed to phase him, and with the boos and the strangeness of the first half with Hayward’s injury the time was never right to run the highlight tribute for Irving, so it was nixed. We didn’t see one dopey dribbling foray all night. Truth be told told the Cavs were constantly doubling him with the ball, but Irving let the game come to him and played as unselfishly as I’ve seen him. Irving had 30 double digit assist games in 381 career games before Tuesday (10 came last season). He has one in a single game as a Boston Celtic. Maybe President Brad really is an inspirational leader.
In the preview I noted that the Celtics were going to need Tatum to be a very good rebounder for them to be a better team on the boards. Well, he added 10 to go along with his 14 points. Jaylen Brown was 11-14 on non threes, and 2-9 on threes for 25 points.That’s a pretty good shot chart despite the missed threes.
Fortunately, the Cavs have LeBron James, and Tyron Lue is not afraid to play him as many minutes as he needs to get a win. James played 20 minutes a half after Lue called for “limited minutes” pregame. James finished with an otherworldly 29 points, 16 rebounds, and nine assists and two blocks.
It will be interesting to see how this season shakes out for Boston. Do they have the depth and drive to still be a playoff team after Hayward’s likely season ending injury? They played above themselves a bit in the second half, and will have a hard time with teams that are more disciplined about game-planning them. Still Tatum, Brown, and Rozier impressed me, and I liked their fight.
Best wishes on a speedy recovery to Gordon Hayward too. Sometimes we forget that sports are just an amusement. I’m competitive, but this is someone’s life and health in the balance. I hope we get to see him play again.
After Hayward’s injury, the Cavs blew a golden opportunity to ruin the Celtics’ season. They could have destroyed their confidence for weeks by destroying them in the second half. Instead, Cleveland came out half-a**ed and let the Celtics get confidence back. They could’ve dealt them a serious setback. Instead they gave them the worst thing they could’ve: hope. But as EvilGenius says, “a win is a win is a win is a win.”
I heard Delly got into with Smart, and the Greek Freak punched Bynes
I love the nba. League pass is best $200 i spend every year
Ditto. Great value. Only downside is I don’t get much else accomplished on nights like tonight!
Simmons looks great!
Embiid made two of the dumbest plays I’ve ever seen… Wouldn’t outlet pass to Simmons and promptly turns it over… then misses a wide open Simmons under the basket, bricks a 3 instead.
Man I hate the Yankees.
Me too, but they are run very well.
Meh, it helps when your front office gets to spend over 200 million dollars every year on payroll and is always 1st or second in total salary. Never underestimate how much of an advantage that is in baseball. It means everything. Not just that they can go out and sign whoever they want but also because they can retain basically everyone on their roster every year. The latter is an advantage teams like the tribe almost never have. Look at how many of our stars we lost in free agency over the years. Guys like Bruce, Santana, and Shaw who… Read more »
Very true. But I don’t believe this team is that high in payroll.
Second at 200 million as per opening day. Now, still second behind LA but made up some ground. La still way ahead at 265 mil, but the Yankees as I said have been second all year at 224 million. For comparison, the Indians after the trade deadline were at 139 million.
I stand corrected. Bleep the Yankees!
I forgot Redick is with Philly now.
Dubs got some nice hoodies to go with their rings.
I’ve got Dennis Smith Jr., as ROY.
Give it to Simmons already.
Gordon with dislocated and fractured Tibia. I am assuming he could come back by playoffs, but obviously he won’t be same player.
London Perrantes, signed as Cavs final two-way. 4 year starter at PG for Virginia.
https://twitter.com/DavidZavac/status/920470838696202240
Pure comedy, Bill Simmons blames Irving for losing the game with bad shots at the end.
Ridiculous.
Simmons has lost it.
Also he says “the celtics were winning when Hayward was in” like it wasn’t minute 6 with a 3 point game or something. Completely ridiculous takes.
Though to be fair, if James or Love broke their legs like that five minutes into the season, I might be more than a little irrational with my takes the next day.
Cols favorite show Mr. Robot starts tonight!
Season two sucked. I’m not watching another season of that. Let me know if it’s any good.
https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/920745167212171264
One of the reasons Lue infuriates me. He says post-game that the Cavs need to do a better job pushing themselves rather than saving themselves. Play gard for 6-7 minutes and come out when tired.
Makes sense. Sound analysis. Especially for a deep team with a lot of new faces. Shorter rotations means more combinations & potentially more guys play. Groovy.
He then plays Rose the entire 3rd & James the entire 4th. WTF? If you want more intensity & pace, don’t play guys for a whole quarter dumb@$$.
How frustrating is it that Kyrie leaves Cleveland finally decides to play the game like a team player and actually pass the ball!? Why couldn’t we get that kindof buy-in from him when he was here. And if he had, maybe we would have been a much better team, and maybe he would have been happier here.
One game. We will see if that continues. If it does good for him and for Stevens for getting him to buy in. If it doesn’t, then that is just who he is and Cleveland had nothing to do with it.
Scott, Blatt, Brown, and Lue all had moments where Kyrie would buy in and be that guy. I doubt Stevens gets this Irving for more than a handful of games.
Sure Kyrie passed the ball well last night. But he has been shown in the past that his team is practically unbeatable when he gets at least 10 assists (ironic the streak was broken against the Cavs last night) yet somehow always reverted back to his rock pounding, ball hogging ways. Will he be happy if another teammate actually gets more shots all season long? Kyrie loves hearing those oohs and aahs from the crowd for his sleek ball handling and tough shotmaking. He got his 10 assists and 22 points playing a not-so-sexy but fundamentally sound basketball. Can he… Read more »
I’m betting Celtic fans are going to see plenty of Kyrie pounding the rock this year…
JRL EXCELLENT POST ON SHUMP—–CAN’T BELIEVE THEY HAVEN’T ALREADY HAVE DONE THAT —IF THEY HAVE AND THERE STILL IS REFUSAL ON SHUMP’S PART THEN HIS PLAYING TIME IS DIMINISHED OR GONE COMPLETELY ——–A COUPLE YRS AGO I REMEMBER 1 CAV MEMBER POST —” ALL IN ….OR NOT ” WHAT IS SHUMP
Our only recourse is to DumpShump. He doesn’t even have a high top anymore.
Thank you Nomad.
GOOD / ACCURATE / INSIGHTFUL ANALYSIS WEST COAST FAN !!
thanks! Pleasure to be on the blog, it’s my remedy for laker fandom.
Welcome in from the storm.
https://twitter.com/KenCarman/status/920442193827041280
It was the first game of the season and a particularly weird game with the gruesome injury to Hayward, making it difficult to extrapolate any meaningful . There were flashes of good things and moments of bad habits surfacing as well. This team has a number of new players and it’s going to take time for them to develop a chemistry to maximize their individual skill sets, everything and everyone is better with Lebron and that might be true of Wade as well. The Cavs have a depth of talent and athleticism which they lacked last year. No one beat… Read more »
Yep. Thanks for posting!!!
Good post. This is year 3 of hoping Shump stays in his lane.
“You gotta love the people the most that need it, not deserve it.” I have to believe, for my own sanity, that Coach Lue has had plenty of conversations with Shumpert regarding his role in this team and what Lue expects from him on a nightly basis. There are only so many times one can have a conversation with a druggie before an intervention needs to happen. Lue/coaching staff/LeBron need to have an intervention with Shumpert asap and explain carefully what he’s “allowed” to do on game. No, he won’t be playing isolation ball. No, he won’t be trying to… Read more »
Agreed, Shump and Green are ball handling, taking iso- jump shots, trying to create when that is most obviously not in their skill set. I don’t expect Lue to be Popovich, but the Spurs system maximizes players effectiveness that are far less gifted than either Shump or Green. Everyone on this blog can clearly see their mistakes so I don’t think you have to be the best coach ever to recognize what’s going on. Either their roles haven’t been properly defined by Lue or they’re not listening to him. Both of those require Lue to act. Superstars carry the weight… Read more »
https://twitter.com/brendanpospisil/status/920394365339566084
TY BE SMART –SIT LEBRON UNTIL THAT ANKLE IS HEALTHY —AKA: GORDON HAYWARD
Do you really think that Hayward was injured before the game and then had his ankle explode because Stevens chose to play him?
“After Hayward’s injury, the Cavs blew a golden opportunity to ruin the Celtics’ season. They could have destroyed their confidence for weeks by destroying them in the second half.”
Come on. These guys are pros. The Cavs blowing out the Celtics is not going to destroy their confidence.
9. The biggest question now is the health of James’ sprained left ankle, which he injured badly enough to keep him out of most of the preseason. He wasn’t expecting to play 41 minutes on it, but now he’ll wait and see how the ankle responds overnight and to treatment before making any proclamations on his health moving forward. One member of the organization warned that James could play in this game, given the fact it was the opener and against Irving, and then sit out until the ankle is fully healthy. The Cavs are taking Wednesday off, but James… Read more »
More smart coaching from Lue.
I’d like to see Lue get Frye, Cedi, Zizik, and Senor Cajones some minutes in the next game.
From what I saw, Zizic was inactive. Calderon, Frye, & Osman were DNPs.
Really, my only complain is that Rose and Wade played a few too many minutes and JR and Calderon played too few. I expect that will change when Thomas returns in January. It was nice having athletes like Rose/Wade/Green to put in.
To be fair, JR’s back tightened up so they couldn’t play him more.
Oh. That makes me feel better then.
https://twitter.com/Bottlegate/status/920470501063057408
What is happening here?
I watched a good bit of that warriors game. They are just so full of themselves it’s disgusting. And Kerr did a lot of dumb stuff like play bad players for way too minutes. And they take awful shots but are great enough shooters that it doesn’t matter.
It’s weird that you don’t say the same criticism about Lue playing bad players for way too many minutes. The one thing it does do at the beginning of the season is keep players fresh, longer, and gives them experience so they are better down the road.
The players Lue was playing have to contribute for the Cavs to beat the dumb frauds. Kerr gave minutes to nobody’s like Looney and McCaw and Bell who will absolutely not play major minutes vs the Cavs in the Finals. That’s really dumb.
Kerr does it with young guys. Lue does it with Shump & Green.
The problem is that young guys improve and then give Kerr valuable playoff minutes keeping the core fresh. Meanwhile, both Shump and Green are who they are at this point and if Lue is giving them meaningful playoff minutes, it will probably be ugly.
None of the warriors young guys gave them any sort of Finals minutes that weren’t awful last year. The bench guys who played well were Iggy, West, and Livingston. The warriors and Cavs are two of the oldest teams in the league. And the two best because veterans win titles in the NBA.
+1 on keeping the core fresh.
AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT COLS—-WISH WE SAW / HOPE TO SEE MORE OFF THE BALL CUTTERS IN THE FUTURE
Crowder was fun to have. And Jeff Green was awesome at cutting to the hoop.
I really want to punch Skip Bayless’ face with that tweet.
What did that dummy say now?
peep his feed, or this
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealSkipBayless?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Lue’s out of bounds plays were terrific last night.
The pecking order on this team’s offense should be
LeBron
Love
Everyone
I don’t care about the rest after those two right now because of the players we have..
Yes. But it ain’t going to work like that because Rose thinks he’s good, and is playing for a contract, and Wade probably thinks he’s better than he is, and he’s a HoFer. (Just not playing like one anymore)
Green took, what, 8 shots? That’s just stupid.
That’s why once eligible Rose should be traded.
Wade is untouchable.
So trade Rose and who runs the second unit, just Calderón? Why do that?
Why get rid of Rose when he has shown plenty of great moves and finishes around the basket? He also seems to play good next to LeBron.
Yep. Once Thomas comes back in January Rose will be the perfect backup PG.
I love it when Crowder screens for LeBron in the mid post. That’s a welcome addition in to our ammo.
AGREE WITH YOU JASON —WHY DO WE HAVE / KEEP PLAYERS IF THEY ARE JUST GOING TO SIT ON THE BENCH ( CALDERON ) —-CEDI / “ZZ-ANTE ” NEED PLAYING TIME TO GROW / DEVELOP —-2 OF YOUR BEST SHOOTERS IN THE LEAGUE GET MINIMUM TOUCHES —–I WILL GIVE TY A “PASS ” ON THIS GAME—MAYBE HE DID WANT TO SEND KY / CELTS A MESSAGE / COACHED IT DIFFERENTLY—–WE WILL SEE MOVING FORWARD ——-YES THEY ARE LOADED WITH TALENT —THAT IS ON THE COACH ( ES ) TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO INTIGRATE THAT TALENT—DEVELOP COMPETITIVE /… Read more »
Lue sucks as a coach. He yields to player reputation & status when making coaching decisions. Thus Rose & Wade play too much & shoot too much. Love & Korver do not get enough shots because we don’t run offense enough. Plus, Green & Shump. D’Antoni benched Paul for the stretch & Houston won. Lue won’t do that. Hell, he played Deron Williams 20 min a night & let Enchilada rot. I will say we will improve a lot when IT gets back. Also, if Calderon can’t play 6-8 minutes in a game like that, when we needed ball movement… Read more »
Amen to your last sentence. I second that.
Yes. Rose and Wade shouldn’t play more than 20 mins a game. Lue is playing checkers while Stevens, Pop, Kerr (and actual good coaches) are playing chess.
Coah Lue wouldn’t be given a fair shake this season if this roster doesn’t change. Sure he sucks on rotations, but that problem of his would be unfairly magnified by the kind of roster who really doesn’t fit well from the beginning. We are a very good team on paper because of the capabilities of the individuals, not as the sum of its parts. I just think it’s too impossible to have too many guys with overlapping skill/diminished abilities and huge holes on their game to really be championship caliber. Our 2016 roster is miles ahead of this one in… Read more »
Shump was really good last night.
No.
What???
Ahhhh you may want to make a doctor’s appointment soon ;)
You’re funny……not
+1…
You are the Skip Bayless of CtB. Just say stupid and outrageous things to get a rise. Enough already and it’s just game one.
Perhaps Lue purposely coached last night’s game with a playoff type rotation. Maybe he’s pissed at Kyrie and wanted to win
Also do not forget that the Cavs the last three years have peaked come playoff time. Lue knows how to manage them to make that happen.
I think we should, in addition to http://www.pleasestopdribblingshump.com we should purchase the domain http://www.dumpshump.com. Guy needs to go.
Didn’t intend those to be actual links…
Why so much complaining after a great win? We could have lost like the horrible warriors but instead we didn’t choke. I thought the Cavs played pretty well.
Man you are in full season mode already. The Warriors lost Green for the fourth quarter and were without Igoudala. The Cavs had a healthy roster and Boston lost arguably their best player. The Warriors should had still won considering Paul didn’t play the last 4 minutes of the fourth but to say they choked is rather foolish. The Cavs could had easily lost yesterday to a much, much inferior team(without Hayward) and with a healthy roster. Actually the fact they won is an afterthought compared to the horrible way the game was coached/blundered by the team in the second… Read more »
I mean they were up 18 points or something. They can be forgiven for coasting for a while. It’s game one for goodness sakes and we all know this team is ending up in the Finals again.
Rockets put more premium to the game by playing only 8 players. Who plays only 8 players at the start of the season. Their bench of 3 players had incredible game.
They managed to play only 8 players but still kept them all under 36min. So not horrible.
AGREED—POSTED LAST NIGHT —KORVER 7 MINUTES—NO SHOT ATTEMPTS—WTF——–ALSO WARRIORS PLAYED 8 SUBS LAST NIGHT—-TY HAS TO QUIT COACHING LIKE EVERY GAME IS A “CHAMPIONSHIP ” GAME —GET THE YOUNG PLAYERS / BENCH SOME VALUABLE MINUTES ——–IT IS VERY EASY TO COACH—-” JUST SEND LEBRON OUT FOR 40 + MINUTES EVERY NIGHT ” AND LET’S SEE WHAT HAPPENS ——-SORRY TY —THAT IS NOT COACHING
I was shaking my head when Korver came out and didn’t take a single shot. Just like Shump playing in crunch time, there is zero reason for Korver to not shoot. It is the only reason he’s on the team to begin with.
Nate, I didn’t count, but this doesn’t seem like a short and sweet recap. Good job, though. Pretty much agree with all of your observations. It feels like we are shouting into the wind with Lue tho. He’s just going to keep staring stoically off in the distant…
no joke 2 years ago we made a concerted effort to shorten our podcasts – figured they were just way too long for people to enjoy. (how’s that worked out!?!?!?!)
I Love the long pods! I don’t have my own office and often need something to drown out the rest of the noise. Cavs the Pod is on heavy rotation. I appreciate the effort though haha
6TH CITY CAN’T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ELSE ( ABOUT TY’S COACHING ) — IT / THE POSTS AREN’T JUST INFLUENCED BY LAST NIGHTS COACHING —THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE SEEN FOR 2 YRS ——ONE OF HIS WEAKNESSES IS ROTATIONS / SUBBING / IN GAME ADJUSTMENTS —-BELIEVE HE DEFINETELY WAS OUT COACHED LAST NIGHT BY ” PRES STEVENS”———WILL SEE HOW KYRIES GAME EITHER DEVELOPS / REMAINS THE SAME / OR REGRESSES THIS YEAR —THAT WILL BE ANOTHER INDICATOR OF THE COACHING
Didn’t mean to purport I was speaking for others- just my self. I agree with most of the criticism you and others lob Lue’s way, absolutely. I just don’t know how valuable it is to go hard on him after game 1, our team has shown a few times that they gear up late and, at least once, it’s still all worked out.
“I love him. I’d like to move into a nice apartment in Tremont with him. “. Haha this is great ;) Well I’ve thought about the game and I’m baffled at the decisions made by Coach Lue. I think he only sees the name/fame of the player and not their actual production value. I understand that Wade would like to be a starter, but at this stage in his career he shouldn’t be in a team as talented as the Cavs. So with that out of the way, here would be my lineups: Rose (IT when he comes back) JR… Read more »
I don’t mind Crowder playing with LeBron because he can allow LeBron to guard a lesser defender while he’s on the court and he’s sticking spot 3s and moving well without the ball. I think Cedi/Korver/Green should be platooning and SF for 12 minutes a night while LeBron sits and that’s where you let Wade (and eventually IT) run the offense. Or work through Kevin Love (<—-like THAT's going to happen!)
Feels like the Cavs have LeBron, a fairly complete player in Kevin Love, a solid glue guy in Crowder, and then a whole bunch of players that have outstanding strengths and crippling weaknesses. Coaching is going to be paramount this year. How do you get the good side of last in D-RAPM Isaiah Thomas? How do you get the downhill dribble drives from Rose and the vet-savvy floor game from Wade without the pull-up long 2s and lazy defense? How do you get the snipers Kyle Korver and Channing Frye and not the defensive liabilities? How do you get the… Read more »
It’s going to be a long season…
If by long season you mean extending into the Finals? Yep.
As Cols likes to say, ‘yep’.
THINK WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT TY IS TERRIBLE WITH ROTATIONS / SUBSTITUTIONS ———-SAID LAST NIGHT THIS IS HIS (TY’S ) “BAROMETER ” YEAR AS A COACH —-GOOD / AVERAGE / BAD —–WILL BE EVALUATED VERY CLOSELY AND HARSHLEY
Lue deserves occasional criticism but some of ya’ll roasting him after a win in the season opener need to face the likely fact that you care more about this game’s game plan than Lue himself.
Remember that the preseason practice schedule is shortened and we added 8 guys. Remember that this team likes to install offensive sets in December. Although this game had a little extra heat to it, this is the preseason, and Lue likely wants to let his new squad develop a little chemistry and generate plenty of mistakes to go over on tape.
I’m sorry but you don’t purposely make mistakes in order to then learn from them.
If you know you are making a mistake, or will be making one, you correct it on the spot, not watch video to make corrections.
Also, last year’s regular season was an overall debacle with some good signs thrown in here and there.
The most important of those signs was the quality play from Derrick Williams next to LeBron and the second unit. Guess what happened in the finals? Derrick Williams didn’t play a single meaningful minute(Did he even play?) and Shump took over them and did and what Shump does. Needless to say, it was horrid.
Coach Lue is a bad coach.
He isn’t bad. I’ll never describe a coach who won a title a bad one.
Agree to disagree ;)
Let’s split the difference here: He isn’t a good coach, he’s merely mediocre. Which won’t get us anywhere come June against the Warriors.
He is a good coach. He has holes and there’s only 1 Greg Poppovich in this world.
Elite Tier 1 – Pop, hate to say this but Kerr
Great Tier 2 – Spo, Carlisle
Really Good Tier 3 – Ty Lue, Doc
Good Tier 4 – Can make playoffs but lose somewhere in between rounds constantly –
Average –
Suck – Byron Scott
Tier 3 to me are specialty coaches. Tactician or Motivator but has holes in their style. Coaches that are capable of bringing 1 or 2 titles but with the right roster and situation.
I think Lue absolutely is putting Shump out there, for instance, to let him do “what he wants” in order to sit him down later in the season to say “you can’t do all this stuff anymore, here’s the tape on why it doesn’t work.”
These guys are playing loose, and I just don’t think they aren’t running sets because Lue is a bad coach, even if he is- the guys are just out there getting a fee for each other and knocking rust off.
Exactly – Lue’s choice of starting lineup, rotations where lineups lack spacing, and LeBron’s minutes (to a lesser extent) are all obvious mistakes. Sorry, but you don’t need “practice” to understand that Rose and Wade should not play together, which is one of many examples.
WE WILL TAKE THE WIN–UGLY ( IN ALL REGARDS ) THAT IT WAS—-GOING TO BE MORE OF THEM—-AGAIN PRAYERS AND BEST WISHES GO OUT TO HAYWARD—–WE ARE GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT TEAM—ONLY 5 MADE 3 PT ATTEMPTS LAST NIGHT —–HOPE TY STUCK WITH THE VETERANS LAST NIGHT DUE TO THE 1ST GAME—–HAS TO INCOPPORATE MINUTES FOR THE YOUNGER PLAYERS —THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A HUGE PROBLEM WITH TY
Certainly less 3-balls with Irving gone & Frye’s minutes supposedly diminished. That also begs the question – if the Cavs new style of play is defined by more movement, where do we see Frye get any playing time at all? If he truly doesn’t fit anymore, how long do they keep him?
Bron
Love
Wade
Rose
Jae
JR
TT
Kyle
Green / Cedi
Jose
What’s so hard in distributing minutes to those 10 solid guys.
I meant to add that Dave McM said Lebron hit the VersaClimber after the game, since he was disappointed in his conditioning. Just unbelievable.
He’s a beast. Most players reserve their energy before games, he hits the gym on gameday mornings! Never forget that video of him last year working out the morning after back-to-back games last year.
I expect James to play on the mid 30’s minutes against Milwaukee. But I highly doubt the rotations will be better next game.
I really like to give Zizic and Cedi some 15 minute run.
Nice first game recap, Nate. It was infuriating last year when Irving wouldn’t feed the ball to Love, when KLove was hot. It’s inexcusable that Wade and Rose didn’t try harder to get him the ball too. I guess we need to give it 10-12 games to see what happens with growing cohesion, but it doesn’t take consistent reps to throw someone the doggone ball. Lastly, you just can’t trust anything Lue says. Pre-game, Lue says LeBron will be on limited minutes then plays him 41. James himself said post game he has to talk to Lue about that. Hope… Read more »
Good job on this! You’re right on all points. I was concerned Rose was too much of a ball hog in this game. I didn’t understand given his injury history, Lue didn’t give minutes, even a handful to Calderon. This team is loaded with talent. No need to run the players ragged. Warriors don’t. We can too especially now.
Even with deep team, lbj going to avg near 40 min a night anyway because lue can’t coach and rely on lbj to win the game.
I don’t think hes a ball hog, thats too much to describe him, but the thing for me is that Rose never really improved other facets of his game. His play is still the same since day 1. I know the injury history excuse, but he never really approached his game to fit what he still can do after his injuries.
Great recap. Only issue I had with Crowder is that he needs to set his feet better when shooting. Too often I saw him miss shots in which his feet were not under him.
My hope is that the Cavs are treating the first half of the season as an extended preseason, because there was no rhyme or reason to their offense. There were too many shots by guys that should not be taking shots in spaces that they should not be taking them if there was any semblance of a game plan.
Leo is correct. That was a fun win vs our supposed rivals. Leb,Wade, Crowder Love, even Shumpy looked good.
Lue managed the rotations well and got everyone playing time. Would’ve liked to see a bit more JR though. And when IT gets back in January it’s lights out for the league.
Another plus, the least likeablenteam of all time lost to Houston!!
Apparently JR’s back stiffened up so Lue pulled him.
Amazing there was complaining in this recap…this is the best Cleveland team ever and there are complaints in a recap. The Indians are chokers and the Browns are irrelevant. We should appreciate this more than usual. Crushing an opponent game 1 reveals nothing, and as we saw last year, what Boston did against us in regular season proved fruitless when it mattered. Again I thought the Celtics played with ‘playoff intensity’ in the second half and the Cavs played at regular season intensity until they started to trail. Cavs couldn’t make a three until very late, and had enough turnovers… Read more »
Reveal yourself Cols!
hahaha…i can’t be that bad right? RIGHT?! yes there are improvements to be made, but crazy overreaction after a win, which the Cavs haven’t done since Lebron came back to team regarding season openers. Think all players know there is work to do and there are 81 more games to get things right. I imagine there will be bad to average games first two months in and then team will be in high gear. As Tom Pestak mentioned in podcast, lets enjoy the regular season this time, unlike last year.
haha jk man.
One thing I noticed is the difference of Rose play with this many minutes with Lebron. Rose and Wade are too much of the same thing for our team, bu the latter knows how to play and win with Lebron so no problem with that, I doubt Rose can at this point of his career.
He never had player with a LeBron caliber… and I highly doubt he can still be able to change his game to have an impact to this team. He’s so innefficient to be honest.
But 1 game so..
The Cavs beat the Nets in the season opener. I believe it was 2013 and the Cavs had Bynum.
I was thinking the same thing!
I mean, what’s the point in writing a recap that leaves out what the Cavs did poorly? That’s just propaganda. I think Nate understands it’s just game one. The frustrating thing is that these problems seem avoidable (no shots for Korver, too many minutes for Shump, bad rotations, too many minutes for Bron, Rose, and Wade, etc.), but Lue never seems to see the problems that seem so often to us. Overall, the game kind of had the wind taken out of it the moment Hayward got hurt.
way i read it was a lot of complaining over little things that won’t damper the team in long run. granted losing an 18 point lead is not good, but as I’ve written, the Celtics played ‘playoff intensity’ in second half, it was quite clear as a casual observer. i do agree there are issues to fix, but if one didn’t know any better, they would think either the Cavs lost, or are not going to make the playoffs, and if they do, they will struggle badly. just think there can be bit more fandom and dose of reality. this… Read more »
The Cavs have had a recent team win the title over ‘the best team ever’, so I’d temper the talk over this being the best Cavs team ever. I personally feel this team is not as good as last year’s team, mainly because I think Wade is mostly done, and I’m not high on Rose as a player in the 2017 NBA at all…..
Yeah Id come over to hang with you and Jae in Tremont. Just gotta figure out how to ditch Shump and Green
Great recap Nate. I’ll never forget watching this game for so many reasons.
Still getting the feel of this new team and what it could become. Wish we could fast forward to January, but something tells me it’s going to take that long for the current pieces to be put into a meaningful order.
And another tight game in the West to kick off the season. I’m just stoked the season is underway.
Good to see Lebron going to the mid-post, instead of the top/3 point line, often to survey things. His finding of Green, Love and others are great plays. That should be a staple in our playbook.
Even though it has lesser ball movement, that position for James is critical to create great offense as it offers better spacing rather than with him, Wade & Rose all on the perimeter.
But this is opening night, most likely he will revert back to old ways, but im hoping this time will be different.
A win is a win. Good job Cavs.
Prayers for Gordon. Hoping for a safe and healthier recovery.
Oh man…watching the game replay back now…Shump was even worse than I thought, and the rotations (I know I know it’s game one) weren’t just weird, they were objectively bad. Like…an amateur could give Lue stats one what types of skill sets work together in the NBA in the past four years and succeed…and it’s as if Lue would say “but he’s Dwayne wade…and Shumpert is a lock down defender…everyone knows this…” and no further discussion happens. If Lue is trying to showcase Shump to bait the NBA into a trade…he is a going to have a hard time but… Read more »
Maybe the Celtics will want Shump, to fill in for Haywards absence ??
That’s a great idea, I think he’d be an ideal fit there, and he’s Kyrie’s BFF…hope Danny is working on this…
Just read Lloyd’s recap and he paints Dredrick Irving as the Black Hawk of helicopter parents, and part of the issue with the Irving fallout w/ LeBron and Cavs.
He’s always been that way. I can’t help thinking with some of the remarks Irving has made in these last couple of months that he really didn’t like the coaching. He would never come out and say that. But there have been hints especially along the lines…. Not about 1 player or there are 12 other team mates. ect. ect.
never heard that expression before “black hawk of helicopter parents” – nice
The third quarter was really wretched. Reminded me of so many awful games in March last season. I’ll just say this: they will get scorched shooting all of those crappy mid rangers against the Houston and Golden States of the world. Really was not impressed with Rose, and he took far too many shots. Still the same book on him – can’t shoot threes, and can get to the rim, but can’t finish efficiently. I wonder what kind of contract Smart thinks he’s going to get. I think he believes he’s a max or near max player, but he’s not… Read more »
Lue is a bad coach. His face says it all every game. Aloof for the past 3 years. He is not testing his players, he is not letting them figure it out, he is allowing bad habits because he is powerless and not tactical in any sense.
I’ve seen enough of the Rose-Wade-Lebron backcourt for the rest of the season. No reason not to have better floor spacing.
Nice recap. The issues seem obvious, but I’m not a coach, so I don’t know how hard it is to balance these lineups, in that type of environment. Hopefully, Lue can get Rose, and Green to eventually play with a little more discipline. I don’t include Shump, because he’s pretty much a lost cause, on the Cavs.
Nate…this was both an excellent and infuriating recap. Not because you didn’t capture the game properly, because you nailed it…but because Tye Lue is ruining Lebron James’ last several years in the NBA, and that says more about how amazing Lebron James is than anything. Korver, Love, and Lebron should average 50+ shots per game. There is no excuse for 0 Korver shots even if he only plays 2 possessions, let alone 7 minutes. He is absolutely 100% ineffective if he isn’t shooting the ball. Not for lack of effort…but imagine a team having 35+ Ray Allen or Michael redd… Read more »
With you Nate, hope Howard injury is not serious and wishes him speedy recovery. Hope he recovers enough in due time. Too bad for Hayward. I am impressed with Celtics young guys play in second half. They lost rebounding battle only by 4 despite having smaller guys on the floor most of the time, that is all hustle and quickness. Tatum starts off his career with nice double double. Playing small and having a smaller guy on Lebron means Lebron will do anything he wants on the floor. He can back down anyone and score easily and he did just… Read more »
Crazy Dubs game. Didn’t really see what happened except for the final shot.
ya, crazy game. leading by a lot and then losing, warriors missed Iguodala and Draymond. Kerr’s intent was to play everyone and that might have thrown off the rhythm too. Rockets kept playing hard and making shots.
Anyway, one game, not much we can learn from. But, positive take aways are the play by rookie Bell and new comer Young.
Swaggy p scares me off that bench
any minutes taken away from Igudola or Livingston is a huge win for the Cavs.
Will keep them healthy for playoffs though.