From Distance: He’s Somehow Stronger
2017-10-19Four points I’m thinking about the NBA…
1. In less than one quarter, Gordon Hayward’s leg injury eliminated much of the scheduled NBA media coverage for the 2017-2018 season. Already written were think pieces about the inevitable Cavaliers’ February swoon. Countless “Brad Stevens is a god” and “The real best team in the East, your Boston Celtics” articles that were written months in advance, will now never see the light of day. After The King’s seven consecutive NBA Finals appearances, the basketball world is desperately looking for the slightest possibility that LeBron James will fail to reach the series for an astonishing eighth straight trip.
The off-season roster additions to Danny Ainge’s squad certainly gave the media a chance at faux excitement. Boston added an all-around, glue guy star in Gordon Hayward and a deadly closer in Kyrie Irving. Of course, wizard coach, Brad Stevens was going to turn their talents into an Eastern Conference juggernaut.
It wasn’t completely ridiculous to make the claim that the Celtics were going to be a better playoff team than their previous iteration. BUT, the idea that they would improve upon their regular season record from a year ago, or have a legit shot at taking down James in a playoffs series, was always rather silly to me.
A Kyrie Irving team is never going to be fantastic in the regular season. He has spent his entire career stuck on regular season screens. LeBron James has spent his entire career destroying the Eastern Conference in the playoffs. Kyrie’s change of scenery isn’t likely to change his history (he is as sticky as ever through two games), nor has a year added to LeBron’s odometer yet seemed to affect his dominion over the Eastern Land.
Look, we all know that the NBA is entertainment. They need stories, narratives and drama. The fact that a disproportionate number of media members are from Boston does nothing to quell the Celtic Pride. Still, no amount of wishful thinking was ever going to prevent LeBron James from simply going through the Celtics youngsters.
It’s obvious that a healthy Gordon Hayward makes the Celtics a much better team. It’s just that the endgame was likely to always be the same, at least as it pertains to the Cavaliers and Eastern Conference supremacy.
What this injury really does, is buy Irving and Ainge some time. The expectations were simply too high. They were being set up for failure. I sincerely hope that Gordon Hayward makes a full recovery from the awful injury. Selfishly, I like to watch him play basketball, and I also like it when people are healthy (whether you consider the second part also to be selfish depends on how you feel about Ayn Rand). The Celtics, as an organization, is certainly not better off with Hayward out, but there are some advantages to the lost year.
If the Celtics’ young talent matures quickly and Hayward returns to form, the Celtics will be legitimately in next year’s conversation. This year, Kyrie will simply get a better chance to drop 30 every night. And hey, maybe Stevens is a wizard and they will snag a top 4 seed.
2. Poor Hayward aside, the East is already a helluva lot more fun this season. Boston had the misfortune of playing the visting Bucks for their home opener. Giannis Atentokounmpo further spoiled Boston’s spirits by being a terrifying mix of smooth and savage. He smoothly went coast to coast in four dribbles for an And-1. He splashed dazzling up-faked jumpers off the short roll and out of the post. He savagely dunked through, around, and over Aaron Baynes. The man is simply a Freak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4wwWqbzKRc
It’s fun to watch such an extremely talented player hone his skills. Jason Kidd leads the team with a quiet confidence. They move the rock well, and swarm on defense. It should also be noted that Mathew Dellavedova remains in the crunch time lineup. Delly did a great job of starting and restarting the offense for the Bucks down the stretch. Guys like Bill Simmons often say that Delly is “unplayable” for the Bucks. Sorry folks, stylish or not, Delly is a solid player. I expect his shooting numbers to rebound this year with The Freak’s continued evolution, and the full-season return of Kris Middleton. Oh, and Mathew drained the winning three of the game. Just sayin’.
The Wizards and the Sixers also gave the NBA world a thoroughly entertaining game one. Though the Sixers ultimately lost, the opener must have been exhilarating for Philly fans. Ben Simmons finally made his NBA debut and was positively electric. Dropping 18, 10, 5 and various change, the young Aussie playmaker made it abundantly clear that he is a legit point guard, or point forward. Or at one point, he was pointing up the point center! Point point point!!! The kid is ridiculous. In combination with Joel Embiid, who went for 18, and 13 himself, joy was emanating from the Sixers’ bench, their fans, and even much of the Wizards’ home crowd.
Chants of “Trust the Process” rang out in Washington. Yeah, it’s not a long drive from Philly, but I wouldn’t doubt that more than a few Wizards fans joined in. Really, it must be refreshing to see long-term planning actually pan out in Washington. A rarity worth cheering for. Let’s hope it is the beginning of a long and fun ride for Philly and NBA fans everywhere.
3. Other Eastern Conference related fun:
Stanley Johnson went 0-13 from the field and was Plus 6 in their win against the Heat.
The Nets and the Pacers combined for 271 points in regulation!!!!
The Nets lost. Cheer Number 1 for a Nets’ loss. Here’s hoping we get to 82.
Elfrid Payton shot and made a three. NBA. Where Amazing Happens.
Luke Babbit played nine minutes and led the Hawks with a Plus 17
4. Speaking of fun, maybe the most fun thing about the Cavaliers’ first win of the season was LeBron James, the power forward. LeBron did an obscene amount of damage in the paint versus Boston. I predicted last week that Kevin Love would lead the NBA in defensive rebounding this season. If LeBron keeps up this nonsense, Love won’t even lead his own team.
LeBron’s 15 defensive rebounds weren’t only Westbrookian freebies. James went up hard for those caroms, aggressively seeking men to box-out when the ball was in flight and ripping down the rock with authority. It also helped that Love seemed to box out half the Celtics’ squad on his own, with Crowder bodying up the others. The final rebounding disparity wasn’t absurd, but it felt as though the Cavs owned the glass at times.
LeBron’s weak-side defense was also locked in. He rotated early and with appropriate pace. Though the King didn’t seem to quite have all his quickness back post ankle tweak, he used his brain to move well on the backside of the defense.
Offensively, LeBron simply went through people he didn’t feel like spinning around. He repeatedly went to the move throughout the evening. If no one was there post spin, he punished the rim. If a defender had the misfortune of remaining an obstacle to LeBron’s desire, it was the defender himself that was punished. Bully ball at its finest.
In transition, James was more patient than frantic as he pushed the ball up the left wing. He hit players all over the floor with left-handed hook passes, flips, drops. Basically every kind of pass a human being can try this side of Milos Teodosic.
Another advantage of playing James at power forward is that he will be more frequently used as the roll man. He and Crowder will trade assignments all season on the defensive end, but Crowder is a spot up/dive guy off ball on offense. LeBron will be more regularly featured as screen and roller, especially with the first unit.
On the short roll or complete dive, James has been roughly unstoppable throughout his whole career. It just hasn’t happened with much regularity. In the playoffs, the Cavs would go back and forth between 1-3 and 3-1 PnR ball with Kyrie. Two years ago, Delly and Bron destroyed opposing second units at the beginning of fourth quarters. It’s been a devastating play. Even if the only advantage of sliding Love to center were that Bron rolls more frequently, it would be worth it.
Whether it was his ankle, conditioning, or age, LeBron was clearly not as explosive as we have seen him. But for the love of basketball, every movement was done with incredible strength. As the second greatest player in the history of basketball ages, the NBA has morphed into a game that requires less physical strength. LeBron’s freaky athleticism may be slowly winding down, but not his strength. If the league continues to get lighter, the King might be able to bully ball into his 40s.
I love this Love story from McTen this morning…
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/921365768457072640
James is still underrated.
By whom exactly?
Everyone. He’s the best player in the NBA yet they gave the mvp award to curry who proceeded to suck in three straight Finals while James carries his team every single year.
And his leadership to get 2 different franchises to 4 Finals each is also crazy underrated.
You understand that the MVP is for the regular season, and doesn’t necessarily mean best player?
You’re out of your mind dude… I find very few people saying anything but LBJ is the best player on the planet… still… at almost age 33. Maybe you’re just surrounded by haters in the Rockies… or maybe the paranoia is kicking in…
https://youtu.be/gZ9SZWjnmJ4?t=95
Because Screamin’ A just can’t help himself…
https://twitter.com/SInow/status/921402143537618945
No more. I don’t wish for C:tB to cover SI’s coverage of ESPN’s coverage of a non entity. This is the last I will mention this non story unless the dad suits up for a squad.
Let’s not be part of the problem.
Love how quickly LaVar also directs any argument back to his stupid made-up BBB brand and the fact that he’s got two more kids coming… he so easily moves off of Lonzo to talk about the rest of his overhyped, non-proven ridiculously over the top brand of family nonsense… he fits perfectly in this reality-television world we’re living in I guess…
FULLY UNDERSTAND COLS—-THEN THE OL MAN SHOULD BE MAN ENOUGH ( EMPHASIS ON MAN ) TO PUBLICLY COME OUT AND ADMIT HIS MISTAKES AND BY HIM BEING A S.O.B. LOUDMOUTH HAS MADE IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR HIS SON ……BUT I DON’T SEE THAT HAPPENING WHICH IS TOO BAD AND REALLY SHOWS THE LACK OF CHARACTER IN THE OL MAN
I can’t wait to watch Delly manhandle Lonzo.
That will be fun to watch
Dad just can’t keep his mouth shut… such a buffoon…
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/921396346648543232
Lonzo may have an unpleasant road this year.
Guess LaVar will have beef with literally every opposing PG in the league this year… LOL
Who is he? He pretty much pwned your kid.
Eh. I feel like Lonzo is getting punished because his dad. Remember that it isn’t Lonzo’s fault his dad is a crazy person.
I think that’s pretty well known. No one blames Lonzo, but because his dad is a buffoon, everyone is looking to bring him down a few rungs.
Lonzo sucks
I still think he will be good. It might not be right off the bat.
I think he’ll be one of the most overrated rookies in the history of the game and will only ever be a mediocre talent… his ceiling is maybe Ricky Rubio…
Hatorr
Nah… just the #truth
He’s not even 20 yet and already has some NBA ready skills. He looks to be an elite rebounder for his position and has above average passing skills (at the least). Lonzo can also make people pay for going under the screen on pick n roll.
The kid definitely doesn’t suck.
Nope. He sucks.
Nope, not his fault. He is of legal age though, is making his father millions which his father wouldn’t currently have without Lonzo, and it is his career so he could tell his dad to STFU at least when it comes to his game and career. What is his dad going to disown him for being his own man? Lonzo would have been a high pick without his father’s talk and hype. None of it contributed to his success and you could argue it actually lost him millions off the bat by killing his shoe deals by alienating the big… Read more »
Sure. But it’s hard when you are that young to tell your dad to STFU. Like it’s good advice, but hard in real life.
Almost as hard as trying to bring the ball up court against Patrick Beverly…
That was pretty hilarious last night. I have to admit I felt for Lonzo. Very few rookies come in with seemingly league wide animosity directed at them. LBJ was similar.
Except Bron didn’t have an idiotic hype-master broadcasting his greatness to the world with nothing tangible to back it up every five seconds…
No but he had a ton of hype which a fair number players resented.
A fair point. Lavar also seems to have his hooks in his kids lives very deep. They are young so it is understandable but I don’t think it is doing them any favors.
Lavar ought to challenge Bev to some one on one. Since he held his own against Jordan, Bev shouldn’t present any problem…
REALIZE IT IS ONLY 1 GAME BUT I HAVE SERIOUS DOUBTS LBJ WANTS TO BE PART OF THAT LAKER REBUILDING ATMOSPHERE ——LOVE SNOOP DOG’S COMMENTS ABOUT THE BALL’S ——YES SIGN BEVERLY —LOVE HIS ATTITUDE —-LET BALL KNOW RIGHT FROM THE START —THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT EVERY NIGHT —GO THANK DADDY FOR THAT !!
Every guard in the NBA is looking to punk Lonzo now… what a dummy.
Bet John Wall is licking his lips…
Ya, Wall, Russ, Dame, CP3… All guys I would imagine are looking to embarrass the young fella.
Delly would be waiting for his turn.
https://twitter.com/ringer/status/921238911044567040
I went to bed early last night and missed this Laker-Clips game. It looks like Lonzo didn’t play so well, huh?
He didn’t, as you’d expect for a rookie in his first game. He didn’t look godawful, he just didn’t do too much. He’ll need to get a scoring game eventually, or he’ll be too easy to defend. That’s all in the future, though.
The Lakers looked freaking terrible.
He played ‘safe’ as TNT analysts called.
He played like he was in a safe…
https://twitter.com/KyleNeubeck/status/921243899976228864
Man I want patrick beverly on our team right now
I watched the first three quarters of the Clips – Lakers…I’m going to say there’s going to be a lot of lousy basketball in Lakerland. They look awful on both sides of the ball. Clips didn’t even play all that well and basically blew them out in the third. Not sold on Walton as a coach, either. He’ll probably start feeling some heat if they don’t start looking like a (bad) NBA team fairly quickly.
They have the Suns next – I can see them losing that game.
https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/921242015014309889
I love it. Surprise, NBA starters are better than Summer League Joe Schmoes
DeAndre worked hard this summer to take himself out of the hack-a situations… just went 4-4 from the line while pulling down 24 boards…
With him and Drummond improving their FT game… who’s left to hack-a? Just Capela and TT I guess?
Will it last?
Man… I also love Beverly…
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/921240496604815362
I’m sure LBJ can’t wait to play with this guy…
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/921239903068815365
Sucks because it wasn’t of his doing, it was his idiot father who brought all this negativity towards him. Lonzo seems like a nice kid, he just got stuck with an idiot father.
Beverley would be so good on Cavs…I’d like this team much more if they just swapped Rose with Bev.
I think Ingram is unlikely to ever be anything special for the Lakers, might even be a bust. Ball will likely be good down the line…not this year. Probably never better than Magic, or Jordan, or whatever his blowhard dad claims, though.
His handle is so. Meh.
Pbev is ridiculous. Clips are going to be really good if Blake stays healthy.
Exactly. Which is why I’d consider the Brooklyn pick for PBev.
Yep. Also, I think Schroeder is of that mould. Kyrie for Schroeder would have probably been best move for Cavs.
C.J. MILES IS A NICE PICK UP BY THE RAPTORS—-WISH THE CAVS COULD HAVE NABBED HIM
Yes. I’m not bullish about the Raptors, but their second quarter last night was something to watch. CJ had a brilliant debut.
MIKEO —WAS THINKING THE SAME TRADE FOR THE ZINGER —DRAFT PICK / SHUMP / “ZZ” —-ZINGER ON THIS TEAM AND YES I AM ” ALL IN ” WITH COLS THAT WE WOULD DEFEAT THE DUBS
KSHRIMP GETTING SOME –“RUNNIN WITH THE BULLS “—6 PTS –6 ASSISTS
Donovan isn’t shy about riding his big three. They all played basically 20 minutes in the first half. George played around 21.
Of course I just looked at OKC’s bench…woof, talk about a lack of depth.
I can’t decide if I like Porz or Giannis better?
I’m more of a Greek Freak fan.
They are both fun to watch. Poor Zingis is going to take a ton of losses…just trade the Nets pick + Shump for him already.
The pick, Shump, KK and Frye.
I don’t think NY is trading Porzingis for an unknown in the Brooklyn pick.
We can only dream.
True. I would take that in a heartbeat.
Yep. You are talking about one of the most versatile defenders in the NBA. A guy who can guard and play all five positions. I also expect him to jump yet another level this season into dark horse MVP contention. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if he averaged over 25 and shot 55% from the field this season. The scariest thing is he is only 22 which means he has about 3 more years until he reaches his prime.
I think Porz has a better looking shot while GF has better handles and finishes better around the rim. It will be sweet to see them both against each other once they hit their prime.
For sure. They are completely different types of players though. One is a true center with range. The other is a point-whatever position you want to play him. However, Giannis is probably strongest as a point-forward, operating from the wing or high post.
It’s gonna take some time for OKC to gel.
I think Melo is just a bit excited cause it’s the Knicks. Maybe come halftime he’ll settle down. If they can add a piece or two, or develop some talent, they’ll give the Dubs some trouble.
Melo is shooting too much, reminds me of Rose against Boston. He keeps that up, Russ will tear his heart out and eat it at midcourt on live tv.
Russ just passed him the ball for that last made 3. I think Russ understand his anxiousness. I bet Russ felt it when he first played the Dubs after doughboy Durant left.
But yeah, he keeps that past halftime and they start to get down on points, Russ will go Super Saiyan on him.
God, the Knicks are going to be terrible…they are going to struggle to just get decent shots off, let alone score.
They are just not going to Porz at all, the offense needs to run through him. Also the refs are oversensitive with the calls. OKC, actually Melo, trying too hard.
Now Beasley gets hurt. Man what a crappy start to the season.
Looked like it could have been his achilles.
I like Beasley. Seems like his talent never materialized. Sucks.
Porz is Money.
Chicago is not messing around with their tanking plan.
Has anyone read Lloyd’s piece, Fallen Kingdom, on the breakup? I don’t have the Athletic sub. What is the skinny?
The rift between Kyrie and James was evident to many players, and got worse last year. Irving’s father, Drederick, refused to even shake Randy Mims hand when Mims tried to high five him outside the Cavs’ locker room. Mims of course is both LeBron’s lifelong friend and a Cavs employee. Afterward, James approached Irving and asked whether something was wrong, and Irving replied that his father felt “……they shouldn’t be fraternizing with the enemy.” WTF. LLoyd says he has three separate sources acknowledging this ugly exchange occurred. Maybe Irving was cancerous before the trade request.
This goes back to what I said about Dredrick beIng the Black Hawk of Helicopter parents. I’m sure there’s more to it, but it sounds like Dredrick had a lot of issues with the Cavs FO, and how they surrounded him with talent.
Just one more reason to hate on Kyrie. Corny joke I read in a YouTube commentary section: If there’s anything shorter than an Isaiah Thomas, it’s a flat earther.
Doncic, Porter, or Bagley with our pick next year?
Or trade it for PG13, if he’s available at the trade deadline.
I thought that might be a possibility until they got Melo. That team won’t be out of the playoffs, and no way they trade away PG13 unless they’re in danger of missing the playoffs.
No. Half season. I would have taken a full season for Irving, but not a half season.
Ayton & Bamba are possibilities as well.
Porter I guess. However, after watching Bagley and Porter clips on YouTube, neither of them blow me away as prospects coming out of high school. Porter can shoot, but it is hard to judge his quickness against high school guys. He torches Dennis Smith Junior in 1 on 1, but he is like 6’9″ or something so he kind of just shoots over him a lot. He has decent ups but he seems more long than anything. Decent handle. Bagley’s game mirrors Bosh but with a better handle and body coming out of high school. Don’t know much about Doncic… Read more »
Doncic went head to head with Porzingas at Eurobasket. He was the 2nd best player on Slovenia’s team by a mile. Some games he was better than Dragic. Slovenia won, by the way. High schoolers? Dude has excelled vs NBA guys at 18.
Didn’t know that. He looks pretty impressive in highlights though some of the passes I saw which were highlights would be typically automatic turnovers. I would expect he probably has the least bust potential.
I like Porter. He is a Ben Simmons clone at 6’10 with athleticism . He also shoots better but doesn’t have quite the same passing.
Bagley by a mile. Get him with LeBron andet him train him up.
#TeamBagley
https://twitter.com/Pchopz_/status/921116056168615943
Has EG hacked Arch’s account? I’m enjoying all the posts Arch!
I might be Evil but I’m no Genius.
https://twitter.com/carmeloanthony/status/921071003769323520
Lue needs to get this message to Cols. Patience Cols, patience!
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/921085732781019138
Me? I know how this season ends. With the Cavs in Finals. I’m not the one who wrote 100 posts the last two days about how Lue sucks.
You should try yoga. It’ll help with your impatience.
Whatever changes Lue makes during the regular season will be meaningless in the finals. He’ll go back to riding LeBron for 42+ minutes and we will have a tired LeBron during crunch time.
Messed up point I know…but between Hayward and Lin’s season-ending injuries, this start to the season has been really fortunate for the Cavs. Hope the good luck keeps up
To clarify – I’m not hoping more people get hurt. But just that the Cavs have good fortune this season. They are still overdue after Kyrie/Love injuries cost them a title in 2015
That game gor LeBron is ironic. Larry Hughes had 27/9/5 & 2 steals to James’ 26/10/5 & 2 blocks on better shooting with 0 TOs to the King’s 5. Weren’t many nights like that.
The scary thing about Atentokounmpo is how effortless his 37 point stat line looked.
Still wasn’t as good as LeBron’s line from game one.
Wasn’t comparing to LeBron…but if u want. First game of season at age 22.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200611010CLE.html
https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/921061281670541313
https://twitter.com/GlobalCleveland/status/920999226628173825
I think Michael Symon’s restaurants are a bit overrated, but I do like Mabels on East 4th.
Lola a few doors down from Mabels is, as Larry David would say, pretty…pretty….pretty good. It’s our usual pre-Cavs game stop.
Not the winking lizard?
Lolita is much better than Lola.
WAS :(
Lolita was totally destroyed in a fire last year. It was good also. Symon is reopening soon, but as a different restaurant named Sherla’s.
NOT SAYING HE IS A REAL GOOD PLAYER — ( ENCHILADA ) —BUT A GOOD ROLE PLAYER —-DID WHAT WE ASKED HIM TO DO LAST YEAR — THEN HE DISSAPPEARED ??—–STILL BELIEVE THERE IS MORE TO IT ( NO TEAM SIGNING HIM ) THAN LACK OF BASKETBALL SKILLS — TO ME AT HIS AGE / BODY / ATHLETICISM / SOME SKILLS— HE WOULD BE A BARGAIN AT THE MINIMUM CONTRACT
https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/921053962756853761
Obviously. There will be plenty of tinkering and then we get Thomas back.
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/921051868750667778
Who’s he? Anybody we can actually use or a G squader?
I believe he was signed to a 2-way contract.
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/921052432368652289
Good.
I love Jamie Foxx
https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/920984553338097664
Despite my dislike for the trade, I am holding out hope that IT proves me wrong:
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/921049143342190594
This is not surprising. Cleveland has already said he’s coming back in January and they thought they were being conservative with the January start date.
Oh man, here you go Nate, music to your ears from a celtics blogger “Boy, was the Celtics’ offense bad down the stretch. Ball movement was limited, spacing was tight, and Kyrie’s de facto solution of chuckery failed wholeheartedly.”
Their idea of him is clouded because most of the games are playoff Kyrie. Plus, he killed them a lot in the regular since they had to double Bron so much.
https://twitter.com/JasonLloydNBA/status/921039856012230657
Dude sucks at basketball.
You just started a war with Nomad!
All evidence supports my position. He can’t even find an NBA team anymore.
I thought he played well for us in a small sample size. I don’t think he’s a very good player, but could be a fringe role player somewhere.
Agree with Arch. I prefer Enchilada to Jeff Green.
Most definitely!
Does that same dedication to evidence, the market as evidence, apply to Delly?
Jeff Green sucks more.
AGREE WITH COLS ON I.T. ‘S CONTRACT—-COMING OFF AN INJURY / AGE / SIZE WILL LIMIT HIS ( AGENTS ) BARGAINING POWER
We will see. If he comes back healthy and is again dropping 50 in PO games, I think a max deal will come.
He’s not a max player, only because of his size. Sucks but true.
TOTALLY AGREE WITH BRANTLEY—-GO AFTER SANTANNA ——–WITH ALL THE CONTROVERSEY SURROUNDING THE NFL / RATINGS CONTINUING TO PLUMMET—-DOES BASEBALLL SEE AN OPENING TO RECAPTURE SOME FANS— DO THEY WANT A DODGERS / YANKEES WORLD SERIES —-THROWBACK TO THE 60’S / 70’S
Yankees v Dodgers WS by decade:
40s = 3. 50s = 4. 60s = 1. 70s = 2. 80s = 1.
I won’t watch one second of that garbage.
Joining the chorus on the Greek Freak taking over for LeBron as the best in the East in a few years. After watching the Bucks/Celts game, I wonder whether it would have been better to take Brogdon, Middleton and the Bucks’s pick for Irving? Particularly since I assume we probably can’t afford, or won’t choose, to resign IT to a max contract.
In 5 years maybe. Brogdon, Middleton, bucks pick is not worth as much as Thomas who is better than Brogdon, Crowder who is about the same as middleton, and the nets pick is way way way more valuable to nets pick.
Thomas isn’t getting a max contract from anyone. He’ll get 4/100 or something like that.
I like that package more. But it doesn’t include the amazing “idea” of a Brooklyn draft pick, which Dan will use on a Bust.
Arch, the Cavs front office killed it in that trade. I think you need to stop slagging the front office until they screw up. Because the Cavs have no bad contracts, a championship level team that’s going to make it’s 4th straight Finals, and that incredibly valuable pick next year. That’s a better setup than most teams in the NBA. I’ll make you a deal. I’ll stop slagging delly and you stop slagging the FO.
Lol. Cols, you know you can’t help yourself with Delly. And it remains to be seen if the front office “killed it” on this trade. The only piece I like is Crowder, because I don’t trust the FO with drafting and I don’t trust IT in the playoffs, especially with a bum hip.
No bad contracts? Have you heard of Shump?
$10M a year for Shump isn’t a bad contract. It’s not good, but it’s not bad or hampering the team in any way.
Because Shump’s bad, Shump’s bad come on
You know Shump’s bad, Shump’s bad come on, you know
You know Shump’s bad, Shump’s bad come on, you know
And the whole world has to
Answer right now
Just to tell you once again
Shump’s bad
It’s terrible. He is awful and cost us dearly in the finals. He is so bad that he is basically untraceable without throwing in another asset to sweeten the deal for another team. That alone tells you his contract is awful.
Good question. I love Middleton’s game but he has injury history. I like Crowder a little better for us since he can defend 4s as he is stronger. It helps James more.
Thomas is WAAAAAY better than Brogdon. The Nets pick is waaaaay more valuable. Plus, we got Zizic.
Bucks offer was legit. Celtics was easily better.
CROWDER !!!!!!!
JEREMY LINN OUT FOR THE SEASON —-HOPE/ PRAYERS TO JEREMY FOR SPEEDY RECOVERY——WHO ON THE NETS WHO YOU WANT / TRADE SHUMP FOR
Good work Detroit:
https://twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/921008832326918145
Smart crowd.
I’ll be honest and say I don’t know what the deal is here. I’m out of touch in this regard.
Kid rock is a Trump supporter
Ahhh okay. Sorry, don’t follow famous people’s political stands.
Good lord!
https://twitter.com/ZackMeisel/status/921028443143311360
Ugh. I don’t think the Tribe should pick up his option. Seriously. I love the Indians and Cavs, but the yankees are about to win the 28th! World Series. Sometimes I wish I had just been born in New York City.
LA Dodgers might have something to say about that!
I agree on Brantley. I’d let him walk and resign Santana and Bruce.
https://twitter.com/MLBastian/status/921028727252967424
As much as it sucks for the individuals involved & their teams & fans, the news on Lin & Hayward helps the Cavs, one would thing.
Cs could be better next year, however. Kyrie will get an appreciation for being the man with not a lot of help. That could mature him.
Nah. I don’t think Irving is going to learn anything. He didn’t from the first 5 coaches he had.
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/921024896720867328
Fake Kobe. Both are good.
MJ45: No way is Giannis #3. James, Durant, Kawhi, Curry is top 4. A big game vs an opponent on back to back missing two starters doesn’t alter that. Talk to me when the Bucks win 60, or a title. Or a playoff series.
The Freak is tier 2: Harden, Russ, CP3, George, Giannis, Blake, Butler. Maybe Davis & Boogie.
I agree. Also, who dresses in a full uniform to attend a Warriors game? I wonder if this guy walks around San Fran like this all the time. I must investigate this…
If I looked like LeBron, I’d definitely dress like him.
Yeah you probably would… ???????
Actually, James is in a tier all by himself, then tier 2 is Durant, Kawhi, Harden(I guess), Tier 3 is the rest of those guys.
“James, Durant, Kawhi, Curry is top 4. ”
+1
Everybody vote for Fake Klay so that he doesn’t get his feelings hurt. #It’sAMan’sLeague
Phoenix may want to consider trading us Bledsoe after this collapse:
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/920877195110658048
I’d trade Shump for him. That’d be a huge culture plus for the Suns.
Wizards and Raptors are still probably better than the bucks. They sunk too much money into their backup PG.
Despite your hatred for Delly, the Bucks have the best player of the three teams.
I think the Bucks and Philly are better than the wizards, Celtics, Toronto by the end of the year. Philly will take time to figure it out so won’t have a better record than those sides except maybe the Celtics but the Bucks will sans injuries.
We’ll see, Wizards mightily struggled against the 76ers. Always thought that team was overrated. Lowry is another year older. Also your trollers on Delly is mildly amusing but more sad on your part than anything. You must love Reddit and commenting on YouTube.
You mean the backup PG who just hit the game winning three over the Celtics in Boston?
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/921021863165382656
That pick is looking even juicer now.
Is it wrong to say that it’s impossible to judge players in the Spurs system? They win again last night without Kawhi. Guys like Gary Neal and Boris Diaw suck on other teams. Like I’ve always taken the step to “Kawhi is overrated, he’s in a perfect place to hide his inability to create plays for others”. But maybe it’s more fair to say “it’s just hard to judge how good the Spurs players would be away from the Spurs”
BTW, I called it last year, but Giannis is the 3rd best player in the league already…
“Giannis is the 3rd best player in the league already”.
I’ll bite. Show me some stats.
“Giannis is the 3rd best player in the league already…”
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/008/154/toosoon.jpg
LeBron
Durant
Westbrook, Curry, Kwahi
Giannis, Butler, George, Davis etc.
Not sure why the picture message posted after it showed deleted on my phone
LeBron
Durant
(3rd’s) Kwahi, Curry, Westbrook, Harden
(Rest) Giannis, Davis, George, Draymond etc.
37 points on high efficiency last night. He is statistically one of the best defensive players in the nba last season. Last year he averaged 23 points, 5.5 assists, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks and 2 steals.
I don’t think he’s the 3rd best in the league, but I do think he’s the second best in the East. I’d go LeBron, Giannis, Wall.
Giannis is talented and hungry. Watch out.
https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/920459698989649921
Thanks Ben, always appreciate your writing. Love the Cavs but also love watching all the action across the NBA sphere, don’t always have the time to stay on top of it.
Regarding LBJ/time/ageing : I hope this link works, if so just marvel in the reaction time & athleticism required to pull off this play. Off minimal training time with a bum ankle. The overhead angle show where everyone is looking when it all happens. He’s lost nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6drgYRHegA
https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/921015335897182208
It’s a glitch in the matrix
This is great
I can’t get over this…
That’s the only thing they did in synch all night.
Agree the Hayward injury buys Ainge and Kyrie time… time to figure out where Ainge can trade Kyrie to after this disaster of a year for them…
I hear Shump needs a new home.
Even Ainge isn’t that stupid…
Fine, they can have Jeff Green too.
I love the Greek Freak. Dude is gonna be the best player in the league after LeBron retires.
https://twitter.com/GottliebShow/status/920812039718682625
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/920986241079930880
https://twitter.com/GottliebShow/status/921017664906043392
Yet, after a finals game he had to be hospitalized because he was so out of shape.
CONTROL THE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD!!!!
correct. He had to be hospitalized because his body had been pushed beyond all pain receptors. That’s tough. You and I would have been crying on the floor. Delly kept pushing. You can rag on his game, even if you’re wrong. But if you’re ragging on his toughness, you’re just wrong. Period. Wrong and wrong some more. Dude is tough as nails.
Good stuff Ben… although Brad Stevens is not and never will be a wizard…
Never know, Washington may well be looking of a new coach. :)
The Greek Freak is . . . only 22. Yikes. Dude is going to dominate the League for the next 10 years.
good read….think it wouldn’t be outrageous to believe the Bucks as a #2 seed in EAST, though I think the Wizards may be more likely. watched a small portion of Wiz-Sixers last night. Sixers will be solid club this year, not sure if playoff bound, but they will play competitive, barring injuries. Cavs/Bucks game coming up will be a blast. The Greek Freak is really making big strides in his game and will doubt supplant Lebron as best in East once Lebron retires.
Yes, if you haven’t read Kobe’s instagram to Hayward, it is well worth reading.
Good piece. LeBron at the 4 is something that was always going to happen. He always resisted it, knowing to toll it exacted on Bird & other 3/4 combos.
As you point out, the league is lighter. Not too many Zach Randolph types. Griffin in LA is a bruiser. That is about it.
@ AMICOHOOPS—KOBY’S INSTAGRAM TO HAYWARD IS PHENOMINAL
GOOD READING —–CAN WE BACK IN TIME AND REDO THE SHUMP / DELLY CONTRACTS —-WOW AS MUCH CREDIT AS GRIFF OFTEN GETS ( DESERVEDLY SO ) HE MISSED ON THIS ONE ——-“ALSO GOING BACK IN TIME “—WATCHED THE SPURS GAME GINOBILLI A T AGE 40 CAN ” STILL BALL ” —SO THERE IS HOPE FOR DWADE BEING A LEGIT ASSET HERE ——ANXIOUS TO SEE TOMORROWS GAME HOW MANY / IF ANY CHANGES ARE MADE IN ROTATIONS / SUBBING / GAME PLANNING
Agree NOMAD, but not much point hanging onto Delly if Lue refused to play him….