Recap: Orlando 102, Cleveland 100 (The Vets Showed Up and The Refs Backed Off)
2018-11-05The Cavs fought back tonight only to lose to an Evan Fournier last second shot. After being down 11 at halftime, Cleveland held the Magic to just 12 points in the third while scoring 32 themselves behind what seemed like 8,000 Tristan Thompson screens. Cleveland entered the fourth with a nine point lead and all the momentum in the world. A twenty point swing will do that.
For most of the fourth, the Cavs held the Magic at bay, as they made little runs. After the Magic grabbed six straight points to get within three with 6:58 to go, Jordan Clarkson hit a jumper to stop the run. With 3:33 to go, the Magic grabbed a lead off a Fournier 3-pointer. But the Cavs didn’t buckle. George Hill took over to guide the team hitting two mid-range jumpers in a row before pulling up from deep to put the Cavs ahead 95-92 with 2:10 left. He then nashed the ball and found TT under the basket to extend the lead to 97-92. With 42.2 seconds left, J.R. Smith hit a dagger 3-pointer to set the score at 100-95 forcing a Magic timeout.
All of the threes.#BeTheFight https://t.co/n9bwPey2Na
— Cleveland Cavaliers (@cavs) November 6, 2018
Aaron Gordan ripped down an offensive board on the following possession and put it back in, but the Cavs still just needed to hold the ball and hit some free throws, since the shot clock was at 23.8. It went bad though.
Cedi Osman tossed the ball away to the Magic on an errant pass towards Clarkson. Clarkson then fouled for some reason and the Magic brought the game to within one point. After a timeout, the Cavs inbounded the rock to Kyle Korver anticipating a foul, but the refs let the teams play. The Magic swarmed and Korver lost the ball after being hacked. The Cavs ended up fouling again, and Orlando made one of their two free throws to tie the game.
In the waning moments of the Cavs game, a loss at the buzzer in Orlando, the refs did not feel Kyle Korver was fouled here. Can't wait for the NBA 2-minute report. pic.twitter.com/HTjWqrtaeF
— Matt McCoy (@MattMcCoyRadio) November 6, 2018
After taking another timeout, the Cavs were unable to get a solid look. George Hill got deep into the paint and had his shot blocked after not getting any separation. He then appeared to be fouled as he fought for the board, but the refs were nowhere to be found. The rest is history and won’t be talked of after this. The Magic got the ball, called a timeout, and closed the game on a tough shot.
This was a weird night. From the start, the Cavs were running a lot of off-ball screens set by Thompson. Thompson wasn’t rolling hard and the team had some trouble stringing together multiple actions to create shots, but it was an attempt at an running offense. Tristan made it work in the first getting seven points, including an old school 3-point layup. He finished the night with 19 points and 16 boards. George Hill also helped in the first chipping in 6 on 3-3 shots including a beautiful steal he took coast to coast. He finished the night with 22 points on 10-12 shooting to go with six assist and four steals. While the vets were showing up in the first, the team still turned it over four times times giving the Magic nine points. And, Aaron Gordan just abused the smaller Sam Dekker. He bulldozed him getting 10 0f his 23 with ease. The Cavs second line also got sloppy at the end of the quarter giving up two Terrence Ross 3s to enter the second down, 21-30.
The offensive motion that Cavs attempted in the first started to pay off a little as the second quarter went on. Clarkson carried the Cavs early scoring two 3s and a two off a Larry Nance tap-out steal. J.R. Smith then stepped up canning a 3-ball off a TT off-ball screen and then finding TT for an oop off another off-ball pick. 80% of the Cavs shots were assisted on. The Magic continued to feed Aaron Gordan who got six points and punished any mismatches he saw. Between that and Cleveland’s seven give aways the Magic were able to score without a ton of effort. They also finished the quarter on a 9-2 run to end the half up, 58-47.
The Cavs came out in the third and looked the best they have all season. This was partially a result of their own efforts and partially because of the Magic not being very good. The Cavs got off a 10-0 run to tie the game. Basically, Tristan started setting screens every single possession and guys either received a DHO from him, pulled up behind him or drove in, or hit him rolling. Six buckets came off his screens and two came from him diving. One basket came from a steal and another came from a tip back by the artist known as Canadian Dynamite. And, two shots came out of solo action. The Cavs repeated what works. Jordan Clarkson capped the quarter off with a four-point play.
Defensively, the Cavs didn’t have to do much. The Magic started chucking when their shots wouldn’t drop. They went 2-10 from deep. And, that’s how the Cavs ended up being in a great position to win a game. We won’t relive the fourth again though.
Gripes
- Larry Drew had the Cavs in a position to win and they didn’t. Sure, the refs were bad. Sure, Drew could have burned a timeout to help the young guys with their nerves. Sure, Cedi could have avoided tossing the ball away. Sure, Clarkson could have avoided fouling towards the end of the game. Lots of things could have gone different, but this is part of watching a bad team. What can go wrong, will go wrong. There’s a reason the Cavs are on pace to win just eight games this year.
- Cedi Osman is struggling. He was 5-17 for just 11 points. He did grab 10 boards though and he was present defensively.
- The defense needs to learn how to swap guys out when they are switching. The Cavs often end up in a position where a smaller player gets stuck onto a center when covering a pick and roll. If the play continues after the initial screening action, the Cavs need to learn to help the little guy out. If a bigger player is nearby, he needs to tell the little man on the center to scram. J.R. Smith shouldn’t end up on Nikola Vucevic if a guy like Tristan Thompson is covering a perimeter oriented guy.
- It was frustrating watching Sam Dekker cover Aaron Gordan. Same with J.R. Smith. Gordan should have been Tristan’s assignment. He’s simply too big and strong for a lot of the Cavs. I’m willing to bet he doesn’t have the same effectiveness dribbling against a guy he can’t bulldoze.
- The Cavs are running an offense that involves only strong side action. Most of the time it only involves two guys. The man with the ball and the man screening. Thankfully, the Magic aren’t good defensively. They didn’t snuff out any of the pick and rolls tonight. They didn’t even figure out that TT wasn’t a threat to score off the roll unless he was wide open. Larry Drew needs to get the weakside man cutting. He needs to get multiple things happening for a defense focus on. He needs to work on getting Larry Nance and Channing Frye more minutes. Both of those guys are more dynamic than Tristan and would be able to run the same screens with the same or greater success with the first unit.
- Collin Sexton is just too weak. He can’t handle the ball when guys push into him. He had two assists, two turnovers, and five points. He needs to learn to be a driver. He dribbles two steps forward, then bounces back a step. He dribbles left to right. He’s too jittery for his own good. If he applied himself to charging the rim, he’d get to the line and defenders would lay off of him for fear of being burned off the dribble.
Hypes
- The Vets talked and the vets delivered. Hill guided the Cavs in the fourth tonight and stayed active. J.R. Smith had his second 14 point game in a row and chipped in three assists and four boards. TT had a career game. He may not be the best finisher in the world, but when he’s just slamming every player he sees, he’s very valuable.
- Clarkson had 14 points on 5-10 shots. He’s a ball hog. He passes only when he’s confronted by three or more defenders. However, when the vets are leading the team and the game is going steady, his spark plug scoring can help the team. It’s not just empty points.
- The Cavs finally hit some more 3s. They went 10-23. They still need to take about five more per game.
- Tonight was a learning experience. Cedi won’t pass the ball again when the opposing team has to foul in order to get the ball back. That’s a guarantee. Larry Drew won’t watch the team lose their grip without taking a timeout. Clarkson won’t foul when it’s not absolutely necessary. And, the team won’t rely on the refs to bail them out or help them.
- The Cavs take on the Thunder on Wednesday night. Let’s see if they can perform like this again.
Is there a mercy rule in college? Because I think Kentucky could use it
This is just stupid. Duke is up by 33 on KENTUCKY with 12 minutes to go in the second half. This is beyond domination. This is literally men playing against boys.
Whahahhahhah!!!!!! My God Zion just made one of the most incredible two way plays I have ever seen from a college bball player. Literally palmed a block took it up and made an amazing on the move needle bounce pass to a streaking Barrett. My goodness he is a great passer.
WHAT A PLAY!!!!! ZION REJECTION!!! ZION PASS!!!! BARRETT FINISH AND 1!!!!
I literally shouted!!!! That was one of the most amazing defense to offense plays I have ever seen in college. He is unstoppable in the paint too.
A man amongst boys.
Ridiculous shots by Barrett and zion
Great anticipation steal by Reddish. He was less hyped but man he is good. Kentucky looks utterly shell shocked. Down 24 2 minutes into the second half
Zion has such great footwork. Such a quick drop step. Reddish shot looks so smooth. I get why those three we’re so hyped.
Bilas said something interesting. Zion literally is a mismatch for everyone. Put someone small and he will back them down and bully/drop step into a layup or if he drives they will bounce off him on his way to the bucket. Put someone big and he will blow by them. You need super mobile length I think to keep him from doing what he wants
Wow. Duke up by 17 at the half against freaking Kentucky. 59 damn pts. 20 by Barrett on 9-17 (2-5 from 3) and 13 by Zion on 5-7 with two pullup js (1-1 from three). Reddish with 12 on 3-6, 2-4 from three.
So if Barrett and Williamson keep playing like this against this kind of this competition I would have drafted them over anyone from this year. Like it won’t be close.
RJ Barrett just gets buckets…. OMG.
And a great opportunity to bolden
Oop
Damn Barrett makes some tough shots
Reddish with a great left finish
Great down court recognition and pass by Zion negated by an awful travel by delaurier
Wtf?! Williamson pulling up 20 footers now?!
Zion showing the righty finish
Zion Williamson, a lefty, driving right, finishing right…. very nice!
Yeah I am pretty damn sold on both Barrett and Zion. Hard to criticize much of either tonight.
Wowser. Barrett is something special
Barrett has got the eurostep down
Kentucky is the freaking number two ranked preseason in the damn country and they look like they are a freaking mid major
This is insane. Barrett is insane. Duke is freaking up by 21 with 10 minutes left in The half. Maybe being bad is a good thing
I have never seen a leaper like Zion. Like ever. He takes off like dominque on two feet and like LBJ on one foot. And he arguably slams it harder than anyone I have ever seen save monster centers like Shaq.
Barret with a casual three.
RJ Barrett with NBA range!
Man all three of these Fab fresh for Duke look great.
Barrett has handles and finishing ability!
Yep. Impressive finishes by him and Zion.
I love that overhead view. Great for watching spacing and player movement. NBA should do that for replays
wow… three star freshman playing well as a team… this is exciting!!!
Yep
Duke is going to force a lot of turnovers
Hell of a finish by some dude named bolden on duke
Barrett forcing a little inside
Zion is a great passer and ballhandler
Reddish the other top five recruit with 2 trhees
Some great finishes in the lane by Kentucky though I know nothing about them
jump shots galore, both teams.
Nice finish Barrett…. Williamson hitting 3s…. I think Duke basketball’s gonna be a fun watch this year!!!
Ok Zion three…..
Reddish confident three. Barret great finish
So did they push back the Duke game….?
IF VARDON WROTE IT—-IT IS CRAP !!!!
Hawks put up a better fight against the Hornets with three rookie starters. Dallas smashing DC…. hope Vardon was full of crap about that rumored draft night trade.
Yeah. Why wouldn’t the Dallas swoop in with the better deal anyway? Why would you take the 8th pick and next year over the fifth pick and next year? Also Young was -17 until garbage time Lin bucket at buzzer. 0-7 from three. Is not scoring efficiently at all on the season or tonight. Had 6 tovs and has consistently been one of the more negative plus minus players for that team. Granted he is better than sexton. But so is nearly every other top five guy. We just weren’t going to get that 3 pick if Dallas wanted it.
If you want to say we should have taken a Bridges, Shai, or maybe Knox, ok. I just don’t buy that trade when you see what Dallas offered the Hawks. Maybe there was a deal, but I suspect Dallas made that offer and that the Hawks pulled out .
NATE HAVE FUN SAT. NIGHT —GIVE ME YOUR ‘SCOUTING ” REPORT ON ” THE BONZI ” —–WHAT I SAW LAST WEEK –THE OPENER WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE
Anyone read the L2M Report?
Im not sure what’s more surprising and irritating:
The 6 incorrect no-calls they admitted (4 that disadvantaged the Cavs, 2 that disadvantaged Orlando)
Or the fact that they claim Korver wasn’t really fouled after that inbound pass.
The NBA officiating accountability is really frustrating sometimes.
Have to go back and watch the replay. Maybe they considered the contact in that picture incidental after the ball was poked loose. Dunno. Never actually saw a closeup replay.
I read thwy ruled that a foul
SO WHY IN THE HELL DID THE CAVS GIVE HOLLAND– ( HE IS WHAT HE IS –AGE -29 OR 30 ) THE 2 WAY CONTRACT AND NOT BONZI —WTF !!
Throwing darts blindfolded…..?
Going to the charge opener Saturday night.
WE WANT BONZI : )
Sure could be a good idea to call him up for depth. Actually dunno how that works anymore. Does he have to be on a two way?
They’d have to sign him…
Per Amico, Dekker out 2-4 weeks with sprained ankle. He expects Frye to take his spot.
Good!
I mean, I don’t know if its good that we suddenly have even less depth at the four. Because say what you want about Dekker, he is minimally mobile enough guard stretch 4s. Frye is not. It could work if you pair nance and Frye. It might not work with Tt and Frye against small lineups. Either way Frye will give you more spacing, but we may have issues against speed.
I’ll about about adding more shooters and vets
I get it. I mean I have been clamoring for him to play since about game 2.
https://twitter.com/Lavarbigballer/status/1059869778666381312?s=20
Yeah, Ohio media, just ignore this jacka$$…
And who cares?
Big 2019 nba draft prospect game tonight in Duke versus Kentucky.
Familiar with RJ and Zion, but who are Kentucky’s biggest pieces? Honestly haven’t had a chance to look into college hoops yet this year
Oh I was referring to those guys and Cam Reddish from Duke, another top 5 recruit. Dunno who Kentucky has. I know NC is supposed to have maybe the second highest rated prospect.
I mostly just wanna see how the Duke guys do against great competition. Only seen them in their tuneups.
LaMelo Ball is coming to NE Ohio to finish high school and play at Spire…
Dear lord.
https://twitter.com/SportsNation/status/1059846830706606080
I’m all in for watching competitive games, even if it means Sexton’s minutes go down.
Jeff Phelps is losing his mind on 92.3 The Fan!
What about the no review on the offensive basket interference on that 3? I didn’t see a replay, but it sure looked like it should’ve been a 2 or nothing at all.
Anyone slow it down and replay it? Am I wrong?
I was at this game. I couldn’t believe Cedi threw that pass. Hold the ball and shoot free throws!
It was at least a fun game to watch unlike most have been this season.
This comment is 100% trollish…
THE (R ) EFF’S UP
ARCH—–“THE ETERNAL OPTOMIST “—GOT TO LOVE IT —WHO KNOWS -: )——-STILL SAY WE JUST NEED TO CONCETRATE ON OUR “YOUTH “–CAN YOU SAY ANTE / NWABA / EVEN BONZI ——HOPING THE PHONE CALLS START TO COME IN FOR OUR VETS —ANSWER AND MOVE ON THE CALLS —–THIS SEASON (S) —IS WHAT IT IS —–76ER’S PROCESS # 2 IN THE MAKING
Cleveland is 1-9, for the franchise’s worst start since it went 1-9 in 1984-85. The Cavs actually made the playoffs that year.
+1
Love it, Arch.
Not a bad effort. After the utter waste abd uselessness of the first six games of the season, you had to know they weren’t going to turn it around quickly. Especially not without love.
For the most part yeah. There were other bad errors. But they likely win without that play.
Cedi was clearing throwing the pass to a streaking Hill and Hog-son tried to take it. If Hill catches it, its a simple lay up and we win. Cedi was making the right play. It just didn’t work out. He’ll figure it out.
Too risky in that situation
TEAMS -( OTHER THAN THE CAVS )–I WILL BE ROOTING FOR —–RAPTORS / PACERS / NUGGETS ——JUST ENJOY THE WAY THEY PLAY —-DEEP BENCHES —-AND HOW THEY WERE ASSEMBLED —-MAYBE GIVES US SOME HOPE
Pacers and Nuggets for me.
ARE THE CAVS INTENTIONALLY NOT GIVING KORVER MINUTES DUE TO NOT RISKING HIM GETTING INJURED AND LOSING ANY POTENTIAL TRADES ———-SAME MIGHT BE SAID ABOUT LOVE–HE CAN’T BE TRADED –WHAT NOT UNTIL DECEMBER / JANUARY—WHEN COINCIDENTALLY IS ABOUT THE TIME HE GETS RE-EVALUATED FOR HIS INJURY —–JUST A THOUGHT
I think giving KK 14-16min per night won’t hurt one bit.
WATCHED THE REPLAY—-YEAH ALL THE WAY TO FOURNIERS SHOT—–ALOT OF “IF’S “—BUT THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO GET USED TO– LIKE IT OR NOT WITH A YOUNG TEAM——-I AM NOT EVEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE ‘W”‘S ANYMORE —JUST WANT TO SEE GROWTH WITH THE YOUNGER PLAYERS AND PLAYING TIME (MORE ) FOR ANTE / NWABA / EVEN BONZI –( CALL HIM UP -ESPECIALLY WITH DEKKER PROBABLY OUT )—-DREW HAS GOT TO START GIVING MINUTES TO THESE YOUNG PLAYERS —-AMICO HOOPS SAID IT YESTERDAY—-BLOW IT UP !!!——-TRADE SWISH WHILE HIS STOCK IS HIGH / SAME WITH T.T. / AND GIVE LOVE… Read more »
I stopped watching midway through the second quarter, sucks I did cause I would had seen a good third. Oh well… So what positives can we get from this game moving forward? Are Cedi’s struggles mental or is he being asked to do too much? One thing I’ve would like to point out and maybe you guys can respond yeah/nay – hen it comes to the offense, having guys like Clarkson and Hood (and to a degree Sexton) both who are only looking to score no matter what the circumstances, do other players then think, “I have to take my… Read more »
I think Cedi has lost confidence because he is trying to do too much.
Euro-Hater!
If they play like that most games, they will do much better than Buck’s predictions.
i agree with that..
More on the learning experience – think this is a good sign:
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1059668869768507392
Sexton was good in college in large part due to drawing fouls. He needs to do more of that here, i.e., more driving using his quickness. He doesn’t have to go all the way to the rim. Too many long twos for him lately, not making the defense do anything.
Pretty big games from JR and TT. Almost felt like two years ago at times if you squinted and let your mind wander.
From being the best team in the east last year to being the worst team this year. Great vision Dan and Koby
I mean we probably wouldn’t be the worst with love and if the coaches had done their job, or literally anything in the off-season. Instead we are left with a mess. Think it was just too much to handle for this staff. Too much pressure. Not enough tactical know how or creativity. So we started in an unnecessary hole before the season even began. We just didn’t know it as fans until we saw nothing change tactically except for encouraging bad shots. That is partially on Gilbert too for not doing what he should have done a year and a… Read more »
Just finished watching the game on DVR… yes, there were some bone-headed things that happened in the last minute… but it was great to see guys like TT, George Hill and JR step up and play their guts out. Also, some really egregious non-calls… particularly the Korver mugging on the in-bounds…
People, the Cavs are a s*** show. To think Lebron took literally this same roster to the FInals.
Weird comment after a close loss… you thought this was worse than the usual 20-30 point blowout?
Cavs showed out in the 2nd half….they could have easily folded but they fought and came out with great energy. TT looked amazing tonight. Yes they lost, but there were some positive signs.
Yes – to be honest, I only caught the second half but I enjoyed this game (albeit not the result). This was not a s***show, regardless of the opponent.
Yeah. I think there is more talent than what has been shown. The coaching staff came into the season without any real plan and I think that snowballed. Now the team is playing based on old chemistry between vets and talent alone. Not a team that can do that.
Coaching has done them no favors. Pretty certain they just sat on their butts all summer picking their noses. Can’t improvise without LBJ. Improvising with LBJ probably held back this team.
And I meant yeah as in NOT a shitshow compared to say being drubbed by Atlanta by 25 points with Love. Or any other of our drubbings against teams that haven’t beaten GS. I don’t even think Denver is a bad loss. They are literally the best team we played and in a class above. So we are 1 and 3 with Drew. Better than 0-6 and losing to Atlanta by 25 with love. We obliterated altlanta which we couldn’t do before with a fully healthy roster and then got beat by a team that is 8-1 and beat GS.… Read more »
Sorry for this comment, I got emotional