Live Thread: Cavs @ Bulls (The Losing Edge)
2019-01-27Tank Battle Mark IV, Cavs fans. While the Cavs are 0-3 against the Bulls this season, they are only two games ahead of (behind?) the Bulls in the loss column at 9-41 versus 11-38. Amazingly, the Cavs make up a whopping 27% of the Bulls’ win total this year. There’s a lot on the line here. While the odds for the top four picks are essentially even for the bottom four teams when it comes to lottery balls, the NBA’s worst team can pick no worse than fifth while its second worst team can pick no worse than sixth.
With both teams desperate for a loss, this is much like my favorite South Park Episode, the Losing edge, where every team in the state baseball tournament is trying to lose, and somehow, the boys from South Park keep winning.
When they win their final game, they are at first overjoyed, believing the season is over and they have the rest of the summer to enjoy – only until they discover, to their horror, that since they finished first in their division, they will have to continue playing in the post-season playoffs. During a ‘celebration’ meal, the team discusses plans to lose on purpose while making it look like they are trying.
However, South Park realize that the other teams also want out, and have actually trained to lose games. The South Park Cows end up winning again and again against opponents whose efforts at throwing games are more successful, and they eventually get to the state championship game. To their horror, they realize that if they win, their season will start again on the national circuit, meaning they will have to play baseball for the whole summer.
While the Cavs went out and drafted a guy who’s absolutely amazing at losing, in Collin Sexton, the Bulls went out and signed two free agents that are no slouches when it comes to bleeding points in Zach Lavine and Jabari Parker. These two have led the bulls to losing 12 of their last 13 and seven in a row at home. Who will be worse, Cavs fans, and keep a lock on that coveted no. 30 spot?
The Cavs have cannily dumped the surprisingly competent seeming Cameron Payne and have signed Kobi Simmons, one of the worst, most frenetic, and skinniest NBA players I’ve ever watched. Expect him to play heavy minutes in this attempt to keep ahead of Chicago in the column.
In injury news, Kevin Love has returned to practice activities, but not games, while Tristan Thompson is out for another couple weeks. Jordan Clarkson is a game time call with an illness (I’m thinking we’re going to see lots of Kobi). For the Bulls they look to start Lopez, Seldon, Markennan, LaVine, and Dunn. Wendell Carter is out for an extended period with thumb surgery, but otherwise the Bulls seem at full health.
Can they do it? Can the Cavs go 0-4 against the Association’s second crappiest team? I’m hoping this one ends like my favorite South Park episode, but instead of Stan’s Dad drunkenly coming out of the stands to get the team disqualified and preserve the boys’ summer, it’s Dan Gilbert stumbling into a fight with Jerry Reinsdorf that disqualifies the Cavs and forces both to give up control of their teams. Hey. I can dream, Can’t I?
MAN I HAVE FORGOTTEN ALL ABOUT NWABA—WHEN IS HE SCHEDULED TO RETURN—-” DENG IT ‘ DESERVES SOME MIN’S / SEEWHAT HE CAN BRING ON CONSISTENT BASIS ………………BELIEVE YOUNG BULL FOR REMAINDER OF THE SEASON WILL HAVE SOME GOOD GAMES HERE AND THERE BUT OVERALL I SEE MORE GAMES WHERE HE WILL STRUGGLE JUST DO DUE TO LENGTH OF SEASON / TEAMS HAVE SCOUTED HIM–KNOW HIS WEAKNESSES / NO TIME TO REALLY WORK / HONE YOUR SKILLS —DEVELOP —-THIS OFF SEASON HOPEFULLY IS WHERE HE WILL GROW / IMPROVE ALOT —–CAVS NEED TO ASIGN A QAULITY SKILLS COACH FOR HIM DURING… Read more »
Sexton is our key to ending up in the bottom three. He learns the ropes while sabotaging wins, and the return of Love, Nwaba and Thompson won’t matter if the point guard eats the ball every other possession.
I am starting to be a believer in Cedi. When you start having 17/8 during a game that is just ‘meh’, that is a good sign.
Core Fourward: Love, LNJ, Cedi, #1 pick
Please Keep longer term: Delly, Nwaba
One more year at least: TT, JC, Zizic, Henson.
Worth/needs more development: Sexton, Adel (2 way), Blossomgame (2 way).
Just when I think I am out, they bring me back in: Burks, Hood.
Don’t normally Pimp fts, but dead on here.
https://twitter.com/FearTheSword/status/1089655949533552640?s=19
AGREE (JASON )—THE BALL MOVEMENT WAS SOOOO MUCH MORE FUN TO WATCH—-PLAYERS HAVE GOT TO BUY INTO IT —EVERY GAME AND YES CORRECT MOVE TO SIT SEXTON DOWN THE STRETCH—-WAS UPSET WITH HIM DURING ONE TIMEOUT –LOOKED LIKE HE WAS ‘POUTING -UPSET” FOR NOT PLAYING DURING CRUNCH TIME –DIDN’T EVEN BOTHER BEING INVOL;VED IN THE HUDDLE —-THE OLDER PLAYERS NEED TO GET THAT ADDRESSED WITH HIM………………HE NEEDS TO DO WHAT CEDI IS NOW DOING MORE ——DON’T FORCE THE ISSUE —LET THE GAME COME TO YOU —————-BRIAN PLEASE I AM GETTING READY TO EAT DON’T MAKE ME “LONGINBARF ” : )
Every Cavs player who played hadxat least 1 assist.
Props to Nate on the appropos South Park reference/analogy.
That’s 26 assists on 39 shots… best percentage of the season?
Mike longabardi schemed up some tough D. The next Brad Stevens?
Missed the game, re-reading the comments from down the stretch. Coffee just came out my nose on this one.
GAME BALL TO ALL OF US HERE AT CTB FOR CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THESE CAVS ALL SEASON
Double digit wins!
CEDI WITH POST GAME INTERVIEW—MAN I LOVE THAT KID —-ANTE WITH 14 BD’S TODAY
Tough decision for the game ball:
JC: 18/7/6 on 8/11 FGs, +6
Delly: 16/4/5 on 5/9, +10
Burks: 18/8/2. 6/13 FG 3/7 3s + game winner.
Hon Mention: Cedi (17/8/2); Hood (14 pts, 2/5 3s), Adel (6 pts, 2/2 3s, 1 block)
26 dimes. 8 TOs.
My vote would be to JC for his fourth quarter play. Fool’s gold from him unfortunately.
FUN GAME TO WATCH FOR A CHANGE
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1089655983587102725?s=19
Well, you need some wins to reinforce what the coaches are preaching.
Especially with the good ball movement tonight. Cannot waste that effort.
If Drew plays Sexton down the stretch, he loses the rest of the team.
Someone’s been reading the ESPN article on Jimmy Haslem. Drew is coaching to win, but his nightly available roster has varied greatly and seldom been able to measure up to his opponents’ …. I would be surprised if a veteran coach like him would actually believe losing consistently was NOT the right thing to do…. even if it’s against a coach’s DNA…
DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRACLES—CAVS WIN….CAVS WIN ….CVAS WIN !!
Dan has to start a fight in the stands now.
Do we foul here?
Clutch Delly
Dunn with a crazy shot.
Delly with 2 FTs.
Delly clutch.
This game has overtime written all over it.
All that good movement goes away late. Until the last possession (where we got a bucket).
We blew the 2 for 1.
Up 1 17 seconds.
Fred/AC are itching for a win too!
Win or loss this evening, at least this is a more entertaining game. Just needed some ball movement and effort.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1089653215174508545?s=19
Up 7 after Hood 3:
Lopez misses shot: JC/Zz botch rebound. Bulls score.
Hood missed 3 after decent possession.
Lavine misses, 2 o boards for a score.
Sexton almost a TO, then a TO, Bulls hoop & harm.
Delly flob!
YOUNG BULLL I AM TRYING TO CHEER / SUPPORT YOU—BUT YOU ARE MAKING IT DIFFICULT
Ughhhhh Sexton
Teams double teaming Clarkson in clutch situations cuz they know Sexton is garbage.
Insane pass by Clarkson. Defensive rebounding leaving some to be desired.
It’s four on five out there with Sexton. Burks lls just tilting the whole floor away from him.
This is the most I have seen Clarkson “run” an offense in a long time – don’t think it’s a coincidence it’s happening with Nance out on the floor.
Fun to see the cutting and ball movement. Even if it is against the bulls…this is a much more fun type of basketball to watch
Liking adell better than blossomgame already!
Clarkson in a zone. At least he seems like he’s having fun
Adell looking much better. JC looking very aggressive.
That block & the 3s were really good. He has NBA length & bounce.
BEST GAME IN QUITE AWHILE FOR DELLY——BOTH CAVS / BULLS FANS —STANDING GOING INTO 4TH QTR CHANTING —-“ZION–ZION —ZION ‘
Best coach dan Gilbert has hired? Mike Brown? That does not bolster confidence in their next hire
“DOW JONES ” REPORT ON BURKS / HOOD—-BURKS ON THE RISE —HOOD STAYING ABOUT EVEN —POSSIBLY DROPPING
AND THE CAVS HAVE GOT TO GET IT RIGHT WITH THE COACH THEY CH00SE—SO IMPORTANT FOR SEXTON / YOUNG TEAM TO GROW
AGREE RIGHT NOW YOUNG BULL IS TAKING HIS LUMPS—BUT STILL BETTER TO TAKE THE LUMPS UP HERE AND NOT DOWN IN CANTON—–HE IS GETTING USED TO THE ATHLETICISM/ SPEED / PHYSICALITY / ALL THE TANGIBLES THAT HOPEFULLY HE CAN / WILL WORK ON IN THE OFF SEASON—NOT SURE HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT IN CANTON———AND YES CEDI CAN BE A 20 + SCORER
Delly trey
I have a really hard time watching Sexton. Completely overwhelmed right now. I wonder if the cavs would have been better off putting him in Canton all year. Kind of like minor league baseball
Cedi can be a 22+ ppg scorer in this league.
Transition, cuts, spot up 3s, drives. 4-6 ppg in each category gets you 16-24. I believe.
Good early for Sexton by Drew. Too many pullup Js early in the clock.
Burks keep playing well
Get us that first rounder
This is some abysmal basketball.
Nice catch and fire Burks.
I DO LIKE THE “MORE MOVEMENT” IN CAVS OFFENSE SO FAR —HOPE THEY CONTINUE AND DON’T GO BACK TO 17 SECONDS OF DRIBBLE / ISO
Is it just me, but do the Adel for Jones (2 way) & Simmons for Payne (10 days) portend we may need for wing & less forward/pg help in the near future.
In other words, Hood/Burks/JR on the move soon?
It’s all stochastic. No point in finding any meaning.
Well, we are hanging in. Down 2 at half. Bench all positive +/- save fir Frye. Starters all negative save for Cedi.
No one too extreme either way.
Said on TV Delly is top 10 in the NBA on catch & shoot 3s.
CPT’ BAND AID WITH 9/4/4/ @ HALF——MAN IT WOULD BE NICE IF HE COULD BRING THAT TOTAL TYPE OF PLAY EVERY GAME
Yep. He missed a couple WIDE open 3s as well. If he could be a 36% 3PT shooter without the tunnel vision and play some D, he’d be a hellava player.
Sill have hope for him.
Nice. Finish Rodney after passing up an open three.
Yezus. What an awful sequence.
Running errands this afternoon. Annoyed I can’t watch as actively as I’d like.
PREVIOUS “ANONYMOUS ” WAS ME—–SORRY—FOR BEING A “PAYNE “
Good ball movement just cannot hit the shot. Hood & Cedi with open 3s & Cedi off a nifty pass going to the hole.
Only 2 TOs.
CEDI FEELING HIS “LEBRON LOVE “
I am feeling a competitive game. I might actually watch this into the 4th quarter
Clarkson sick but good.
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Deng looking better this game.
Arcidiacano looks like Jerry Sloan and Kirk Heinrich and Vinnie Del Negro. Pretty sure he’s been with this team for 60 years.
Full 2nd unit: Delly, JC, Adel, LNJ, Frye.
Zach Lavine is a Putz
Cedi looking good. Whomever is supposed to be guarding Selden needs to sit.
Not an awful start. Hanging in.
Finally git a call on Lopez, probably weaker than 2 others.
Hope the Delly-Clarkson-LNJ centered 2nd unit can hold the fort.
Come on Nate, are you trying to tank the LiveThread?
Adrien Payne? I guess Cameron was so competent we forgot his name. The oain of Payne.
Though I did think Adrien had a shot to be a decent pro out of MSU. Shows what I know.
Sorry.
You are docked 50 points. ;)
I had to see what has become of Adrien Payne. BBref says he is playing in Greece.
Fixed.
Not a great association. Adreiean’s the guy at the center of sexual assault case.
That’s Cam Payne…it’s important to keep our scrubs straight!