Cavs Roster Post Mortem: Part Two “Present”
2019-05-06Last week, we looked at the Cavs’ Rosters’ “Past.” Today, we take a look at the Cavs players that are likely part of the Cavs immediate plans, either from being on the roster this season or from being part of trade plans to accumulate assets over the next year.
John Henson
John Henson’s future with the Cavs is likely the hardest to predict of anyone on the end of season roster. He has one year left on his four year 44 million dollar contract so he has to somehow be part of the Cavs plans for next season. Because his contract was front loaded it is a bonus that this last year is the smallest cap hit possible at just under 9.5 million. Whether Henson will actually suit up for the wine and gold in the 2019-2020 season is up for speculation.
There is an argument for the Cavs to hang on to Henson next season if for no other reason than the fact that he is by far the best rim protector on the roster. While I believe that the necessity for a high level rim protector is often overstated, it can’t be ignored that the Cavs defense this past year was atrocious and could have benefited from some solid interior help defense beyond the point of attack. With a career average of 1.5 blocks per game (per basketball-reference.com) Henson more than doubles the average blocks of every Cavalier on the roster besides Marquese Chriss (who at 0.8 career blocks per game , even if he does stay a Cav, is not a player the team is able to rely on for any kind of defensive consistency whatsoever).
Henson is also a more than competent rebounder (9.7 career rebounds per 36 minutes), but perhaps the most encouraging thing is that just this past year he added the three ball to his game rather effectively. It is a small sample size, but in the 14 games he played this year Henson shot 35.5% from the three point line on 2.2 attempts per game (also per basketball-reference.com). Though this is the first year that he attempted more than seven threes in an entire season, that is an admirable start for a big man. I doubt he will ever be a player that is actually relied on as a long range shooter, but that’s not the point. What is important is the ability to stretch the floor and force defenses to respect the fact that he can be efficient from deep if they don’t guard him. That is a bonus that Tristan Thompson will never have and Ante Zizic has yet to develop (though Zizic has said that he is working on expanding his range in the future).
Given that Henson has a few compelling reasons to consider using him next season, the deck may still be stacked against him. Cleveland already has a glut of bigs (when they aren’t injured) and many of them appear to be in line ahead of Henson. Love and Larry Nance Jr. are widely acknowledged to be a part of the Cavs plans for the future. Tristan Thompson has been a Cavalier for his entire career and has also developed himself into something of a leader of this rebuilding team behind Love. Even Ante Zizic could likely be ahead of Henson if for no other reasons than the fact that the Cavs have invested the last two years into Zizic’s development and his salary is a fraction of Henson’s.
Due to John Henson not yet playing a single game back since his wrist injury, it seems unlikely to me that he will be traded before the season. The Cavs will problem “showcase” his return to maximize their returns. His expiring contract and mix of rim protection and newfound floor-spacing will likely make him attractive to several contending teams and I just have trouble seeing enough motivation for the Cavs to pass on the assets he could garner just to future clog up a crowded front court rotation. If the Cavs instead decide to move on from Tristan Thompson despite his history with the team, then Henson could very well turn into a valuable and versatile back up big man for Cleveland next year.
Brandon Knight
Brandon Knight is another player that is tricky to project his future with the Cavaliers. On the surface he was the starting shooting guard for the team for much of the post all-star break portion of the season. His first stretch of games for the wine and gold showed him to be deadly accurate from behind the three point line. While his long distance shooting cooled as the season wound down, he then had a stretch where his floater was nearly automatic whenever he pushed to score. Knight also served as a bit of a pressure release valve for Collin Sexton by sharing the load of point guard duties, allowing Sexton to play more off-ball and hone in as remarkably reliable catch and shoot threat.
All that being said, Knight’s future as Sexton’s partner in the backcourt seems untenable. Brandon has never had particularly high assist totals and is relatively undersized to continue as a shooting guard. The Cavs already have an overabundance of shooting guards on the roster and all of them have a size advantage on Knight. While he could slide back to his natural position as a point guard and come off the bench, that would put him into competition with Matthew Dellavedova. Delly has a slight size advantage over Knight, but more importantly Delly is a more tenacious defender and has a better knack for orchestrating the second unit’s offense. All of these cards are already stacked against Knight before even considering that the Cavs could easily end up drafting another guard before next season and further deepen the battle for minutes at his position.
The one thing that really complicates the issue of Knight’s future with the Cavs is the consideration of his return from his torn ACL. Knight’s torn ACL predicates an extended recovery timeline so that it is likely that he has yet to completely return to form. It won’t be until into the 2019-2020 season that the Cavs (or potential trade partners) will truly be able to evaluate how a fully healthy Brandon Knight will play.
Given that he will be playing on an expiring contract for over 15.5 million dollars this year, Knight will probably be relegated to a “wait and see” status until close to the trade deadline. If he goes back to pre-injury form (or even improves) then the decision of what to do going forward will become only more and more complicated. With the Cavs still trying to add assets, a midseason trade seems likely, but there are still too many variables to accurately predict what that might look like. Hopefully until these questions are answered the Cavs can continue to use Knight to help push forward the development of Collin Sexton.
Jordan Clarkson
Captain Band-Aid had a career year for the Cavs… sort of. Statistically, this season’s Jordan Clarkson looked suspiciously like last season’s Jordan Clarkson. This year he took 19.2 shots per 36 minutes with a 44.8 FG%, 32.4 3P% with 4.4 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 0.9 steals, 2.2 turnovers, 1.8 fouls, and 22.2 points per 36 minutes. Last year while on the Lakers, Clarkson took 19.1 shots per 36 minutes with a 44.8 FG%, 32.4 3P% with 4.6 rebounds, 5.0 assists, 1.1 steals, 2.7 turnovers, 1.8 fouls, and 22.1 points per 36 minutes. Looks shockingly similar doesn’t it? The biggest statistical differences were that this season he played 3.6 minutes more per game (27.3 up from 23.7 on the Lakers last year), took more 1.5 more threes per 36 minutes(5.5 up from 4.0 on the Lakers), and shot almost five percent better from the free throw line (84.4% up from 79.5% on the Lakers), but also had 1.5 fewer assists per 36 minutes (all stats per basketball-reference.com).
So why has everyone in the world been saying that Clarkson had a career year? Because the Cavaliers really relied on him, he played a lot down the stretch, and he often seemed like the difference between the wine and gold even being in a game rather than being horrifically embarrassed (well that, and because most sports writers don’t really understand statistics and only use them when they support their opinion).
To be fair, Clarkson showed a lot of good things this year and was often the backbone of the Cavaliers. I was also very encouraged to see the subtle but solid development in his passing and off-ball game after he started playing alongside Matthew Dellavedova. Captain Bandaid’s biggest feather in his cap to me this year however was how honestly great of a teammate he appeared to become throughout the season. I know he didn’t always make plays for his teammates, he is still prone to tunnel vision, at times he could disrupt the flow of the offense, and he still has more defensive lapses than anyone would like. That’s not my point.
After the season Channing talked about bringing Clarkson out of his shell this year (after reportedly being a player that mostly kept to himself) and that is the biggest difference that I have seen. JC’s body language this year displayed a comradery and affection for his teammates that apparently he hadn’t felt before. Just watch him when celebrating, supporting, or just enjoying the company of his teammates. This year Clarkson played with joy.
Perhaps this simple attitude shift towards the game is not as flashy or impressive as the faux statistically “career year” that people credited Clarkson with, but it could be more important. Last summer Clarkson knew that his passing game needed work and requested Ty Lue to work with him on understanding passing in the pick and roll. He flat out admitted he didn’t understand it and that no one had ever really taught him. Obviously Ty Lue’s classes were cut short six games into the season, but in walked Matthew Dellavedova. Go back through the interviews this past season and count the number of times that JC raved about and admired how smart and clever Delly was and you’ll quickly lose count. After Delly arrived was when many of us here began surprisingly commenting things like “great pass Captain Bandaid!”.
So despite the fact that Clarkson is still statistically much the same player he has always been, I am ready to give him an honest chance this next season. He has a rather large expiring contract and has established some universal NBA value as a sixth man of the year candidate, but I would hope the Cavs exercise caution before trading him away. I know all the reasons that JC is a flawed and imperfect player, but his undeniable passing chemistry with Larry Nance Jr. leaves me interested to see if that same vision can develop with the rest of the team. Come trade deadline next season there is still a chance that the Cavs trade Clarkson for more assets, I would just like to see if his development as a joyful teammate translates into better team play before the wine and gold gives up on him. Besides, “Captain Band-Aid” is one of my favorite nicknames in the NBA today.
David Nwaba
David Nwaba is a restricted free agent this summer but the word around the Cavaliers organization is that they want to keep him. I think that they definitely should. Discussing Nwaba as a 6’4″ shooting guard with an unreliable three point shot would miss the point of his value entirely. Nwaba’s outside shot seemed to improve as the season went on as he got more air under his shots, but his height is the bigger deception. While his height isn’t even particularly good for a guard, his massive 7’0″ wingspan allows him to play much bigger than 6’4″ would suggest.
I’m still trying to decide between calling Nwaba “Gumby” or “Inspector Gadget”. His superhuman stretchy extender arms make him an absolute terror in passing lanes and have led to an impressive highlight reel of monster blocks. Gumby’s mix of speed and length turn him into a defensive swiss army knife on a team that was severely lacking in defensive presence. It’s astounding that the same player could be an absolute lockdown force against James Harden while also slotting in as a power forward to help contain some of the strongest 4’s in the league. The Cavs’ first game against the Rockets started with a gut punch as Nwaba’s go-go gadget arms led to two or three turnovers and a breakaway slam within the first couple of minutes. If that was absolutely all that Inspector Gumby (see what I did there?) was good for, that would be enough for me.
He isn’t known for or relied on for his offense, but Nwaba is deceptively valuable there too. He is a fast and vicious cutter whose magical stretchy arms allow him to finish in traffic even when it looks like the defense is about to stop him short. Nwaba’s impressive upper body strength mixed with a soft touch floater also allows him to finish on the way down, giving him more time to show and draw a foul on his drives. He doesn’t often focus on offense, especially in the half court, but when the Cavs are in a shooting slump he could often flip a switch to carry the offense for a short burst by running and igniting transitions while using terrier like grit and determination when frozen in the half court.
With his defensive versatility, offensive determination, and constant presence as a lob threat, Inspector Gumby brings a lot to the table whenever he is on the court before even mentioning his passing. He is not a playmaker or asked to be one, but he is always willing and looking to make the smart extra pass. Nwaba perfectly established that on a memorable fast break where he passed on a dunk himself to turn and hand off to a trailing Larry Nance Jr. for a vicious slam.
Always a team first player that can reliably defend the 2-4, the Cavs would be foolish not to re-sign David Nwaba unless he gets a massively oversized offer from another team in restricted free agency.
Tristan Thompson
Never before have I seen a player transition from “untradeable” to “untouchable” as quickly as Tristan Thompson did this season. It is almost as surprising that he drifted back towards the middle ground of “very tradeable” by the end of the season. In the fall of 2018 Cavs fans had grown frustrated with TT. Watching a player that defined himself as an iron man hustle player decay into an often injured player with very little hustle quickly devalued Thompson’s stock in Cleveland. Everyone knew that he was being overpaid on his contract, but he had been valuable enough to the Cavs that it hadn’t been too big of an issue of concern at the time he signed it.
The 2017-2018 season saw Thompson deal with injury trouble early and he seemed to come back as a different player. His offensive deficiencies were easy to look past when he was one of the top offensive rebounders in the league and a center that could usually hold his own even when switched out against opponent point guards. When he came back a step slow, TT lost most of the things that made him valuable. He did have a bit of a resurgence in the playoffs, but going into a post-LeBron era the Cavs looked ready to move on from a player that appeared to be in decline. This is when that oversized contract went swiftly under the magnifying glass. In the past the Cavs had passed on some lucrative trade offers for Thompson and now those passes were really looking like mistakes.
At the start of this last season Thompson said all the right things about being a leader to a new young Cavs team, but J.R. Smith said a lot of the same things. Multiple losses, a Kevin Love injury, a head coaching change, and plenty of J.R. drama later, TT was clearly an anchor that would be tied to the Cavs for the remainder of his contract. Then something happened. Tristan Thompson became Tristan Thompson again, and he also kind of learned how to score. Suddenly he was part of the offense and the second best offensive rebounder in the league again. The Cavs chucked up way too many ill advised mid-range shots but TT was giving them second and third chances to convert. After awhile Thompson was averaging a double double for the first time in his career, becoming more and more of a strong leader, and was pretty much the heart of the team.
Then he got injured again. Then he came back and looked a step slow again. Then he was injured again. Again!
The Cavs decided to take Thompson’s next return incredibly slowly. His return started to feel broken leg slow. We’ve all seen how flawed a half injured TT looks, so that was probably a very wise move on from the front office. When he finally did come back, Thompson wasn’t as good as he had been for part of the season but he wasn’t “untradeable TT” like he had been either.
For next season it is hard to be sure what Thompson’s future will be. Having the summer to rest and recover means that it is very possible he can go back to the being the best version of himself. The big question is if the Cavs want to use him or trade him. Since next season is the final year of his contract he has inherent value as an expiring contract. TT has plenty of high profile playoff experience and his skillset mixed with his contract could make him valuable to a lot of contenders. The Cavs also have more big men than they really need. So they need to ask themselves if they want to stick with a familiar face leader in Thompson despite the fact that he has no outside shot and has never been a real rim protector. Their decision will likely come down to that question of weighing TT against the rim protection and developing outside shot of John Henson.
Even after trading either Tristan Thompson or John Henson the Cavs will still probably have one more big man than they really need. Despite that, I hope they defer on making that decision until after the season starts. I’m sure they could trade one of the two of them away this summer to clear up the log jam at center before the season starts, but with very little pressure of expectations on the Cavs next year it can wait. Both TT’s and Henson’s values could be strengthened by showcasing them at full strength. Taking time to make the decision also gives the team a bit of a chance to make sure they aren’t stuck in a jam from early injury troubles like they were this last season.
Channing Frye didn’t play big minutes but it is still worth noting that his backup veteran big man presence is gone. It would be a huge shame to move on from TT or Henson just to start another season behind the eight ball because of an unexpected injury. Meanwhile this showcase time gives the Cavs a chance to contrast their styles with the development of Ante Zizic and Larry Nance Jr. while discovering what kind of backup big man will have the most value to a young team still learning its own identity. No matter the direction the Cavs eventually take, I for one am glad that Tristan Thompson was to regain much of the affection Cleveland had for him after being part of the 2016 Championship squad.
Matthew Dellavedova
I hate not to include Matthew Dellavedova in the Cavs future, but he is on a rather large expiring contract and I don’t have 100% faith that he will end next season still a Cav. The question of his future with the Cavs will likely come down to discussions about how willing he will be to take a pretty hefty pay cut to remain a Cavalier in the future.
The second the Cavs traded to reacquire Delly the whole city was thrilled and he did not disappoint. His early three point shooting was unsustainably good and it took him a month or two at the free throw line until he had his first miss of the season. One of his first games back as a Cav had the old familiar sight of Delly diving for a loose ball and thoroughly tackling Fred McLeod in the process. He still had his signature hustle and annoyingly tenacious defense. Delly even helped seal a wine and gold victory with his textbook passing lane defense to force a turnover on a late game inbounds pass. The all out effort of Cleveland’s favorite aussie was just as good as we all remembered.
A little bit of time into his second tenure as a Cav led to a leveling off of his insanely good shooting. Minor injuries started to creep up and repeat for Dellavedova. One thing that didn’t change was his masterful work running the offense. The whole team raved about his intelligence and passing vision so that before long it was hard to remember that most of the players hadn’t known him since his first stint with the 2016 Championship Cavs. Around the locker room he was spoken of like a legend that lived up to the stories. Quickly other Cavaliers had notable improvements to their passing game while suddenly looking more and more for that perfect extra pass. His positive effect was amplified as more Cavs, especially Kevin Love, came back from injury. But make no mistake, Delly was a massive force in the cultural improvement down the stretch of the season.
Sadly we were deprived of him on court due to a bad concussion at the end of the season. I sincerely hope that does not make anyone forget Matthew Dellavedova’s value to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Perhaps he never attained that importance as a Milwaukee Buck, but Delly is still the guy that literally played himself into the hospital while shutting down Steph Curry in the 2015 Finals by shear force of will.
Dellavedova is more valuable to the Cavaliers than to any other organization. That doesn’t detract from the fact that he does add true value to the team. His ability to take the reigns of the offense and almost instantly calm down any situation led the Cavs bench to often be the backbone of the team. Cleveland can’t afford to extend him at what he made for his last contract but I hope they are willing to make as good of a pitch as possible to keep him for the long term. Delly is the perfect vet to help Sexton develop his passing and undersized defense. During the Cavs likely long road back to contention there a few players that Cleveland loves cheering for like Delly and his “treys”. Throughout the rebuild, the fan-favorite power of Delly and Cedi combined is a powerful force to keep ticket sales and viewership stable (though their rhyming names have already caused me to annoyingly mix them up in conversation several times already).
LOOKING FORWARD TO BUCKS/ RAPTORS SERIES —–BELIOEVE IT IS GOOD FOR THE GAME -(NBA ) ALSO —————————ON TO ANOTHER SUBJECT -(SORRY )—-IS IT WAY TOO EARLY TO START TO PANIC ABOUT THE TRIBE
I might disagree with you on the tribe. I just don’t see the offense even being close to average at any point. Not sure the starters as good as they can be is enough to carry them. Of course the twins could fade, but I suspect we would be looking at a first round sweep. Kluber is out for a long time. Granted he seems to be declining but you had to think he would pull it together at some point. Unfortunately I think the window has passed. With all the salary shedding, they just don’t have an offense that… Read more »
Oh my bad if the panic thing was a question as opposed to a statement. Thought I read “it is” as opposed to “is it.”
https://twitter.com/TrueHoop/status/1125882443813326849?s=19
Kawhi with another wonderful performance… maybe he heard all the “Durant is the #1 player in the league” talk and thought otherwise
Certainly is making his case these playoffs.
Blowout city tonight.
I want to believe Denver can beat GSW or HOU. But I don’t.
Toronto v Milwaukee will be epic.
Bucks-Raptors will be nuts…thank god we won’t have to watch that phony Celtic team anymore…
Blazers looking like they need an iron man in the middle who can rebound and play decent post defense.
TT to the rescue??
They’d look a lot different with Nurkic…
Yup.. they’re finally missing him… but I did pitch TT to Portland too earlier in the year.
Man, I’ve really been putting in some strong work on the couch this week watching all these games. Been worth it, though.
respect
Hey yeah, it’s been hard but I think it’s good for our development.
https://www.nba.com/amp/cavaliers/features/draft-lottery-odds-2019
We have as good a chance at Zion as anyone else, come on Nick!
Sixers are done.
Butler is a free agent after this season right?
Yes, he is.
Good candidate to join Lebron when the Lakers strike out on other free agents.
I like Butler a lot.
Abrasive sometimes. IDK what went on nehind the scenes in Chicago & Minny.
Would love to see him with LeBron. I can see Buckets yelling at Bron to get back on D.
Embiid is unplayable right now, whether it’s a virus of whatever…at some point if you fancy yourself a superstar you have to play through crap, but he is killing them out there…
just goes to show.. the process, even when handled pretty competently, can be a bitch.. glad i don’t bet on sports.. happy for TOR.. i hope they put philly away..
Has Embiid even made a 3 this postseason? He makes Westbrook look amazingly efficient…
Embiid’s bricks from three bounce out farther than anyone’s I’ve ever seen…
Epic CL semifinal game from Liverpool vs Barcelona today. If you are a fan of the beautiful game, well worth watching.
Watched both matches…. crazy how they mirrored each other in terms of blowouts.
I know he went 15th and the likes of Cody Zeller and Ben McLemore went way ahead of him, but it still hurts my rustbelt heart that we could have had Giannis and we drafted Sad Gumdrop Bear instead. Just imagine LBJ, Giannis and Ky as our big three… though Ky still probably would have left to prove (hahahaha) that he can carry a franchise.
True, but literally anyone who was picked in that draft would have been a better pick than GDB. Anyone.
I think most of us wanted Dipo.
I sure did.
Dipo for me too.
AGREE JASON –ALOT OF QUESTIONS ——NEW COACH / DRAFT PICK –WHAT SPOT / —–THINK THOSE ARE THE 2 BIGGEST THAT MAY SET THE “DOMINOES ” IN ACTION
You’re correct Nomad.
Biggest factors in the future of the organization will be the next coach and pick. We gotta hit it out of the park with both.
I WEEK FROM NOW WE WILL FIND OUT THE “FATE / FUTURE ” OF THE CAVS ———-KEEP THOSE “NOVENAS ” GOING : ) !!
I think the Cavs will be wait & see on a lot of stuff. We do not know how the draft shakes out. Zion, Morant, Barrett, or someone else will change the outlook & construction plans. We still do not have a lot of data on how this group meshes with Love. And a lot of guys had injury issues after KL returned (Delly, TT, Henson) and Knight was returning after a LONG absence. Can Love stay healthy? Can Nance? Can TT? Does TT look like 2018 TT or 1st half 2019 TT? Is he willing to take a pay… Read more »
Absolutely! You touched on the countless questions i was trying to squeeze in here. It’ already a long piece and it could have easily gotten to be Moby Dick long (that phrase just sounds really dirty) if I had explored all of those questions in depth. Things are going to be very interesting until next season in seeing how that Cavs move forward in this rebuild. Then I feel like next season will be the real test to see how long the Cavs rebuild “process” will take, and we will get a clearer picture of what the young core can… Read more »
I don’t expect much activity before the season starts which is fine. Though I think/hope JR will be gone this summer.
I don’t expect a ton of trades either, but with JR, the draft lottery, possible draft trades, the actual draft, free agency and possible extensions, summer league for our new rookies, the world cup for Cedi, Zizic, and maybe Love, the head coaching search, the rest of the coaching staff search, and thrn the preseason…there is a TON of important stuff going on that will lay out much of the Cavs future all before the tip off on opening day.
Please have the “This Guy” pic ready for their final game of the season ;)
AGREE 100 % WITH YOU JRL——–ALSO WAS THINKING ON THE SAME LINES AS YOU JMAY —PERTAINING TO HAYWARD/ HUGE CONTRACT TO UNDERTAKE THOUGH
A quick peek at the Celtics’ forums shows the fans completely ripping Kyrie and Stevens. Plenty of the comments are on the, “The hype was too much, we needed to be more level headed.”
Can’t wait for Kyrie to bounce and leave them stranded with Hayward (A shell of his former self and never a major factor I’m) and a bunch of 2B players who think they are A1.
*IMO
If Hayward becomes available, should we make an offer? And if so, what is he worth, given our roster and trade chips?
I think we already have a Hayward in Cedi. I wouldn’t offer too much for him, a late, late first rounder or a couple of twos at most.
I wouldn’t pay him more than $18m a year.
Cavs likely wouldn’t need to give up anything…the Celtics would need to dump a first in the deal to get off his contract, which is one of the worst in the NBA.
Exactly…. and this article shows we have plenty of contracts to offer to make a deal happen. I might ask for two firsts since the Celtics pick won’t be that good.
Agree. 18 million sounds right. The guy could be an ok third piece on a team with two legit superstars if he were to recover. That salary is horrific though. But I thought it was insane he got a max before the injury.
Yeah I really don’t understand what Ainge was thinking during that contract negotiation. Glad he screwed himself lol.
I like Hayward and yes, a 3rd option with two other top 15 players would be great. Say Hayward in Houston or even Milwaukee, he would fit great.
We should not help Boston out at all. Wait until Kyrie leaves at least.
I get the idea, and it is an interesting one. Take a chance he returns to form here. We are not a FA destination. Another year removed from that horrific injury. But he is not a max player even if he does.
We certainly have enough expiring contracts to make a big trade & take on salary. TT, Knight, Clarkson, Henson, Delly. Nearly $70 million. Plus JR.
Hayward is versatile enough that there are a lot of ways we could plug him into our lineups, and I especially like how tall everyone besides our point guard would be. I’d be willing to take a chance on him returning to form. You guys are absolutely right that it’s hard to get a big FA here, so if Boston is willing to make a good deal to dump his contract it could be very interesting…and we defintely have the assets (on overpriced expiring contracts). to match his salary in a trade.
As a Cavs fan who had seen all of Kyrie’s career up close, I was a bit skeptical of Boston being some force of nature this year. Ky is not a #1. Hayward had that horrific injury. Doubted he would be 100% this year, if ever. Plus re-integrating them into a team that did so well without them was going to be tough. It reshuffles the pecking order.
It could work with some sort of egalitarian offense. But Ky reverts to Manba mode during crunch time, and Tatum has taken a step back.
I love the Celtics losing, but I sort of hate the possibility of the knicks being relevant again if they got KD and Kyrie. Best case scenario is Kyrie resigns and Boston remains in purgatory for either the Bucks or Raptors ascendence for the next few years.
Though I reserve the right to take that statement back if Kyrie resigns and Boston pulls the trigger on getting AD.
Kyrie and KD and a bunch of bench warmers won’t do much. I won’t mind them teaming up and losing together.
They’d the playoffs. That is more relevance than that dysfunctional franchise deserves.
make the playoffs. Yeesh I need coffee this morning.
KD leaving the Warriors and Kyrie leaving the Celtics is good for everyone. The Knicks will still suck, don’t worry.
I wouldn’t mind KD and Kyrie making the playoffs and getting bounced ;)
What if they land Zion too. KD, Kyrie, Zion, Trier, and Robinson as core of the two veteran stars, future superstar, and two good future starters moving forward. What a nightmare scenario. Ugh. If that happened I might have to take a break from basketball for awhile.
I wouldn’t mind it really. I dislike KD but I hate Curry. So KD leaving GS to go anywhere else is cool with me. Same for Kyrie and Boston. Boston fans were so annoying after the trade and they are one loss away from losing Kyrie.
What would absolutely suck is of Kyrie went to GS and KD stayed there too lol.
Kyrie + KD would be a broody, moody, mesh of hero ball. But they are good at it. KD would get Russ PTSD as Kyrie jacks up shots trying to prove he is the man. Though he will make more than Russ.
Ky should go someplace where he can Mamba till his heart’s content on offense, play no D, and fans will be happy with 45+ wins.
“Broody broody mess of hero ball” is exactly why I read CTB. Well done, Jason. I live in NYC (tho native Clevelander) and hate Dolan almost as much as I hate Dan Gilbert, but come on, NY has suffered long enough. It would be fun for the Knicks to be relevant again. Those Oakley-Ewing teams were so much fun (and the Stoudamire-Gallo-Felton one, too, before Dolan blew it up for Melo). Though I agree — I don’t think KD/Ky is enough. Add Zion and things get interesting, though with a rookie and those two egos as your supposed leaders, the… Read more »
Denver, Portland, and the Clippers could ascend quickly out West if KD leaves.
Oh how delightful it would be to see Boston and GS lose in the second round. Please bball gods make it happen. I promise to not talk bad about Lue ever again.
This warms my heart.
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1125570625563529218?s=19
The bile on the Celtics blog is inspiring.
Check out Golden State of Mind as they whine avout CP3 being dirty. Irony is dead in Oakland, apparently.
California has never been any good at irony.
too bad the warriors weren’t around to play the bad boys (pistons with laimbeer, etc).. i would have enjoyed seeing some blood and loose teeth on the oracle floor
as long as BOS limps out of playoff 4-1, and kyrie lays another turd in his last game as a celtic, and BOS fans forever despise him, i will be quite pleased
and we proceed with sexton and zizic.. and jazion..
And Nance.
thx.. and clarkson.. full house
Great piece. Agree on all the takes.
Rockets crunch time offense was awful again. But they hung on, again. Barely.
i figured GS would close.. let’s hope rockets can hold..
Door is opening, Rockets gotta hit one
Incredible that Shump is getting meaningful minutes in this series…
He hit three triples last game.
Yes, but he’s a net minus.
Bev on the TNT halftime show with the suit and the haircut…almost unrecognizable…
Kyrie’s postgame quotes are gold. So glad I can just mock that dude now.
celtics fan will be ruthless to kyrie.. he will leave BOS in disgrace.. who ever thought we would receive such a wonderful gift
So who won the Kyrie trade, again?
As John Wooden said, there is no fix for stupid.
Igoudala is the most underrated dub of them all.
He & Draymond are the on court brains. And Iggy never loses his cool.
He & Liv are the only Dubs I like.
Rockets complained their way into that call. Went off Harden’s knee.
Really impressed with looney’s d on the beard.
Rare game these playoffs where Durant looks human (so far)…
And 1 also 3 on Klay…nice…
Shump goes draino
Tucker should’ve gone up against Curry there. But the four pointer by the beard was a nice consolation prize.
Gordon is better than CP3 in 2019…but they still need Paul to contribute if they want to compete with this team…
His passing is great but he ain’t looking for his shot at all. I’m going under till he hits a couple.
Very dumb foul on Livingston.
Damn. Filthy dime, KD.
Paul is terrified to shoot.
just chkn scores.. go bucks.. and fly, fly away kyrie.. let there be no record in the rafters that you were even in the garden..
from celtics blog.. after going down 3-1 to the bucks.. “The loss was met with a chorus of boos from the home crowd, as the Celtics likely wrapped up the home schedule with a decided lack of effort.”
.. “Boston’s bench was once again invisible, as they combined for just seven points on 3-of-17 shooting.”
Shump has been trash.
Very Shump-like. He did hit three threes last game somehow.
The intensity of this series off the charts. Feels like an nba championship cuz it just might be.
Gah that was a terrible foul call.
Curry – so humble! Running the full length of the court celebrating a 3 in the 1st Q. SMH.
Why did green leave curry? Oh yeah, cuz he’s Gerald green.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1125579307915644933?s=19
Harden deserved a call on that block.
yeah elbow to the head kind of obvious
Good start for Rockets…
A trash brother worthy playoff game from Kyrie…Giannis, Bledsoe and Hill shut down most of his crap…
Kyrie gonna go find out who he is with Durant in NY.
Seeya Beantown…you’ll be better off without Kyrie, really…
LMAOOOOOOO Nice help defense Celtics!!!!
Giannis is great, but Hawk and Dr. J never had the continual wide-open spaces that he had tonight. In the paint it was like Big Sky Country.
Turns out Hill was a valuable pickup for the Bucks…
HAHAHAHAHA Horford gets dunked on the boards and gets smoked on the drive!!!! Kyrie taking dumb shots LMAOOOO This is classic playoff Celtics!!!
Playoff Kyrie…
Marv Albert interestingly just compared Giannis, of players he’d seen, to Connie Hawkins. I can see that, big difference is Hawkins was a twig (with huge hands), while Giannis is built like an NFL player…but I hadn’t heard that one before. Hawkins was amazing in his ABA days.
LOL Horford and Irving trash this game.
Please please please keep letting Kyrie guard Giannis…
Kyrie’s nonsense being shut down in this series…pretty fun…
George Hill another solid game…above the break three puts the Bucks up 4 late 3rd qtr…
Bledsoe just cannot hit a jumper this series…
Tatum’s regressed three point shooting has been a blessing…wonder if Kobe taught him that…
Goal tend, but I love Giannis putting the fear of god in these pukes. I see the refs are ‘keeping it fair’ for the Celtics after their game 3 whining.
Can we get the Morris brothers out of the league? Tired of seeing their ugly mugs.
God, I love seeing Kyrie jumping at shadows in the paint looking for Giannis…he must be tired of eating leather…
This article is such BS. Boo hoo. Starters have to play 35-40 minutes in the playoffs. Jeese. Talk about soft. What the heck do they think playing 32-35 minutes in the regular season is for?
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26681903/extra-minutes-taking-toll-warriors
This team has had four straight finals runs. They’re 53-19 in the playoffs over the last five years. They’ve played essentially an extra season over that time, and the most reliable way to beat them (which isn’t very reliable) has been to punish Curry defensively. This is also by far their worst bench. I am not a warriors’ defender but they were in the offs two seasons before their championship run. Just watching how exhausting it was for Cleveland, I know the run has taken its toll. I respect it, and can accede that the minutes count and long playoff… Read more »
And yet Jordan, Pippen, Bryant, LBJ, Magic, Shaq, etc averaged way more regular season minutes and playoff minutes during their championship eras than the core three of the warriors during their playoff runs at a time when the game was way way way more physical. Hell most of those averaged over 40 mpg during their finals runs. The warriors guys are nowhere near that. Again since the Warriors started their run the league has been about the least physical it has ever been, especially compared to the late 80s, 90s, and early 2000s.
Bird averaged over 40.8 minutes for five straight years of 17 to 23 playoff games per year in an era that you could get wrecked in the lane. In the same span he never averaged less than 38.3 reg season minutes.
The game was also much slower then. It was much easier to rest on offense. Also yes, the bulls were that amazing. They are the greatest team of all time headed by the greatest player of all time for a reason. The Lakers with Shaq and Kobe never made four straight finals. And yes LeBron is in the discussion for the second greatest player of all time. But you’re also forgetting about the Spurs’ revolution when it comes to using their bench. When the Spurs figured out how to up the l energy for 48 minutes with their bench, other… Read more »
Pace isn’t a perfect stat but most of the 80s surpassed this year’s pace and the nba is only now getting back to the 90s. Also not sure any current team in the last five years has had anything like Spurs of 2014 bench. Cavs certainly didn’t against the warriors. Unless you count the bench guys filling in for the starters in 2015. It was mostly a shortened rotation in the finals after that as we all know. I am not really complaining about the article other than it is about nothing. I am more griping with the idea that… Read more »
The FA market next year can’t be as stacked as this year. Anyone know who is up next year? I have a feeling expirings might not be as valuable.
I am still for trading them though.
Nice piece. I’m all for sending TT anywhere else though. Was a nice run. He is so limiting in his skillet he dictates what you can run offensively.
Thanks! At the start of the sesson I would’ve traded him for anything. Then for a couple month I actually imagined him being a force for the Cavs going forward. By the end of the sesson, I think I agree with you. I just think I’d like to see if we can keep his value high by showcasing him a bit before rushing into a trade this summer. His skill set is still too limiting to plan around for the future. When he’s 100% on then he maxinizes the value of his role, but he’s not getting any younger and… Read more »
With you on TT. Also ship Clarkson. I just don’t feel like his value to us is what he might be to some playoff team desperate for a bench gunner. Ship most of the expiring deals. Knight’s 15.5 could be enticing as cap relief for someone going into the next offseason. Delly becomes the primary backup, though I suppose how well that goes is whether Sexton makes strides to becoming an actual consistent playmaker in the starting lineup. Maybe look at what Henson can do. Frontline of Love, Nance, Zizic, and Henson. Two starters. Two backups. Sexton, Cedi, Draft Pick… Read more »
Lastly Warriors take their breaks on d throughout the regular season. Current speed does not equate to more exhaustion than the physical d of any of these eras in my opinion.
This is the wrong comment for this reply. Dunno how that happened. Supposed to be an addendum for above.
Thank you for being one of the very few people that remembers that Cedi is a GUARD . He can play the 3, but that diminishes some of his advantages. I LOVE LOVE your starting line up projections. That’s what I’ve been thinking for months. Things could get REALLY interesting if LNJ develops and expands his 3 point shooting this summer (it has been reported that is the plan from LNJ, his father, and the Cavs organization). Imagine the Cavs landing Zion and LNJ becoming a reliable 3 point shooter! I don’t know if it would work, but can you… Read more »
Yeah Nance’s progress in shooting has been heartening. He would definitely have to become a threat that pulls out the d in order to play Zion, Love, and Nance. I believe for Zion to really prosper off the bat he will need a 4 spacers with a decent playmaker. In time he will handle more, but I think it is best not to give him too much responsibility too soon. Defensively, if Sexton figures thing out somewhat on that end, that lineup could be pretty decent on that end of the floor.