The Randoms: Finals Edition
2019-06-03This post marks the start of a semi-regular series by yours truly. I’m dubbing it, “The Randoms:” my random thoughts on the NBA and whatever. Here goes.
In the pantheon of bad hot takes, there’s a wing devoted entirely to second guessing success. The mental gymnastics professional sports pundits are going through over Andre Iguodala’s game sealing triple last night should definitely have its own exhibit.
Analysts knocking Iggy’s WIDE-FREAKING-OPEN three pointer because there were five or so seconds left on the shot clock when the ball went in the basket are baffling me. The few extra seconds left on the shot clock by not winding it down to the end are meaningless. The Raps were doing something I always yell at teams for not doing: paying attention to the shot clock.
Iggy surprised them by taking that shot when he did and won the game. How can you second guess that? If he misses, is it still a good shot? Maybe. Maybe not. Was the make random chance or fate? The Warriors have a shot at a long rebound and Toronto is unlikely to get a runout out of it given the Warriors’ perimeter spacing and that the Raps were mostly around the basket. But it doesn’t matter. We don’t live in the universe where Igoudala missed, we live in the one where he made it. He played to win instead of playing not to lose. As a famous poet once wrote, “you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.”
The dopey takes of Stan “what if” Van Gundy and Max Kellerman (who should know better, but probably had to play Devil’s advocate anyway) are the worst parts of sports punditry: second guessing success. In case I need to remind you, Andre Iguodala is a freaking finals MVP. The Cavs dared him to beat them in 2015, and he did. Mercilessly. Also, there’s this.
Andre Iguodala owns the best plus-minus in the NBA Finals over the last 5 years (+164).
Not Steph Curry.
Not Klay Thompson.
Not Draymond Green.
— Paul Hembekides (@PaulHembo) June 3, 2019
Argh. Anyway, not enough people are focusing on Nurse’s baffling decision not to foul Dray as soon as he crossed half court. Green, despite the base9 triple double, was part of the group that made Nick Nurse’s box-and-1 defense on Steph so successful because Green and everyone else were afraid to shoot. Additionally, Dray was 0-2 on the night and 5-6 from the line. With only a couple seconds remaining between the end of the shot clock and the end of the game clock, an early foul gives your team many more chances to extend the game. It’s what Nurse should have done, because it prevents a game sealing play like Iguodala made.
Nurse outcoached Budenholzer badly in the ECF, but Kerr, after a Game 1 feelout game, got the better of Nick. The Warriors took advantage of the Raptors overplaying Steph Curry and used Steph to set off-ball screens and set up far too easy baskets for the Raptors’ bigs. This off-ball screening is what Ben Werth is always talking about when he goes over what separates good guards from great guards. Guards like Delly (not that he’s “great”), Lowry, Curry, Stockton, etc. use their gravity to set screens to get teammates easy baskets and make the offense unpredictable enough to keep defenses off balance.
Nurse also should’ve taken a timeout much sooner into Golden State’s 18-0 run to start the third. We sure as hell know Ty Lue would’ve called a rage timeout a minute sooner to stem the tide. Kerry rightfully knew that the best time to attack a home team is right after halftime before the fans get to their seats, and after Nurse’s timeout when the Dubs ran off seven straight, started running his counter-sets to blow up the lead even more. It was a blitzkrieg and won Golden State the game. Also, it’s a FINALS GAME AGAINST A TEAM THAT’S WON THREE OF THE LAST FOUR FINALS! HOW ARE YOU NOT IN YOUR SEATS, RAPTORS FANS? A little too much celebrating and feeling your oats for Toronto and its fans.
“You come at the King, you best not miss,” Omar’s famous line from The Wire opines. The Raptors whiffed badly in the third, and it could cost them the series. That’s how thin the margin is against the Warriors. Toronto finally had a chance to relax for the first time in weeks. It cost them dearly.
If it seems like I’m rooting for the Warriors here, God help me, I am. I don’t know why, but Toronto irritates me. Maybe I want the 2016 to be that much more special, and I feel it will be if no one else can touch the Warriors. Maybe I just want my predictions to be right. I can’t say why, but I’m certainly conflicted. I still think anyone not named Iguodala or Cook on that team is a douche though.
Speaking of Cook, how many teams did he play with before he stuck with the Dubs? Four? Five? He hit three enormous shots against the Raptors and showed why player development and commitment matters. It also showed why you want players on your team who work hard and are intelligent and mentally tough enough to play in high pressure situations. I’m not sure how many of those guys are at the top of this draft.
I often wonder if high level AAU players are the road to NBA success. In looking at the Raptors, few of these guys were highly regarded in High School and the draft. But if anything is a differentiator, it’s that length, strength, intelligence, work ethic, and decent base mechanics matter in the long run more than high level skills in college. Color me very skeptical on the likes of Ja Morant, Cam Reddish, Rui Hachimura, and Darius Garland for these reasons.
Speaking of Ja, he’s locked into the Grizzlies. There’s no way that dude would have gotten knee surgery if he wasn’t. As for R.J. Barrett, I’m skeptical if the Cavs should move up to take him if the Knicks dangle an offer. 5 and 25 for the third? 5 and the JR Smith contract for the third and Lance Thomas and <insert bad contract(s) here>? I don’t know. Barrett reminds me of Danny Manning: a player who was much better in college than the pros. Conversely, Manning probably would’ve had a better career playing now instead of then. He, like Barrett, always seemed like one of those guys who was good at a lot of things instead of great at anything.
Barrett reportedly turned down working out for the Grizzlies because he wants to play for the Knicks. I’m not sure he’d love being on the Cavs, and I’m not sure he’s any better than Culver, Hunter, or Barrett. I do know, the Cavs should not be taking a short, shoot first point guard, or a guy who’s biggest weakness is “caring.”
That’s all for now Cavs fans. Until next time…
Cook tried to flop his way into that call. Dumb
I could see the Dubs winning this game.
Very much so. Would be crushing for the Raptors.
Lmao these refs.
Yep…I just expect it anymore…
Cook flop, serves him right…should have been a no call…
Wouldnt exactly call that a flop – Lowry checked him pretty good. But I agree, shouldve been a no call
Bad call there favors Raps.
No way.
Curry takes good shots that would be awful shots for any other player in Association history.
Curry going supernova + refs help is the only way Dubs can win this
Game 2 Deja vu.
Ahh, yes, the Boqgut flop…
No points for Raps in 4 minutes.
They should post Kawhi on Iggy.
I would say that it is bad for Toronto that the lead is “only” 12 but it doesn’t seem like Golden State has enough offense to win this. Plus, Toronto’s defense is amazing.
https://twitter.com/Swarlayzers/status/1136442956150390785?s=19
Most late whistles I’ve ever heard tonight
Toronto d is borg like
Give Bray a tech, refs, don’t be scared of him…
Stuck on this score for a bit. Raps meed to push this to 20.
Bray isn’t loving having to check Kawhi…
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1136453185919488000?s=19
That was a big 3 point swing.
No way. Green was in the circle.
Should have been a block on Bray…foot in restricted area…instead foul on Kawhi…
I mean the refs are terrible. Is Tony Brothers involved in all this?
Another awful no call on the goaltend
Makes up for the Curry carry I guess
Yeah. That Gasol foul on a Cousins 3 where Gasol didn’t leave his feet was pretty egregious. And now Kawhi gets a charge with Dray in the restricted area.
3/4 clear misses to the Dubs.
I do not think the refsare biased. Just bad.
And now they miss an obvious goaltend on Ibaka.
Doesn’t feel like GS has enough offense or defense to win this.
They’ve got the refs though
Iblocka!
Although it was a goal tend…
Cousins finally moves below the foul line and the Dubs get a dunk. Meanwhile Siakam looking like pippen out there.
Lowry playing really well so far.
That Curry 3 was the most obvious carry non-call I have ever seen. And it was not even the worst blunder of the half: mystery backcourt violation. Though that got fixed.
Another obvious blunder on the missed goaltending call
These are the type of trap games previous Cavs teams would have “played down” to and found a way to keep it close. Can’t see the Raptors screwing this up, too well coached and too deep
Siakam sick
Siakam is getting so good at using his long body to get easy shots…I hope the Cavs steal a player like that at 26…
God, Cousins is annoying…
Indeed
No mention of Curry’s health status in the first quarter so he must have played well. Stay tuned.
Lol. That was a total carry by curry
JFG on Curry: ” I thought he carried the ball!”. Right, JVG.
He totally did!
Maybe he is allowed to “curry” the ball more when Durant and Klay are hurt.
That was awful. Well played
Dayam, Kawhi
Wow, Kawhi…
Figured it was only a matter of time before the cook/curry backcourt got some run
Seems like McKinnie hasn’t missed a corner three this postseason…
Doesn’t seem like anyone else wants to be a scorer. It’s goodnight Dubs if that’s the case.
That lineup with Curry + el Scrubo reminded me of Lebron and company in ’15 Finals…
I was just ready to type exactly that! Though maybe this team is even worse.
They still have Bray, but without shooters out there he’s not as useful…
Someone else gonna have to score for GS.
Look for some epic Bogut flops…
There was an epic moving screen to start. Curry missed a wide open three.
Yeah, that was a patented Bogut moving screen…we’ve all seen that a million times…
The refs doing what they can to level the playing field early on.
Yeah these fans make me hate the Dubs again
That Siakam spin is basically unguardable…
Nice flop action, Boogie…nice thing is Cousins will probably foul out in third quarter…
Dub fans booing that Boogie foul…lol…doesn’t get more clear than that…
Lowry needs to stay out of sever foul trouble tonight…and score some…
Toronto has to take advantage tonight… no KD, hobbled Klay who may not play at all, no Looney.
I think the Warriors would be able to overcome being down 2-1, but I doubt the Raptors would win 3 out of 4 esp with KD likely coming back at some point if he’s needed.
Ah just saw Klay is out
Yep…big…
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1136434281964720128
https://twitter.com/AlbertNahmad/status/1136292525201854470?s=19
For just the JR Smith contract?!! That would be crazy.
I think he is just mentioning other assets that could be used, not that all of them would be included…
Yeah probably. I thought Riles may have lost his mind for a second.
Just wait until KD gets back and then see if any of us still have a soft spot for the Warriors. Now that they’re not playing the Cavs, it’s sorta hard to cheer against the sans-KD version of a team that plays such beautiful basketball and is built around three guys who were drafted #7, #11, and #35 and developed through a system and culture that brought out the best in them — and continues to do so in the other players they bring in (see Cousins, Boogie — post-injury). But with KD, they are the worst. And how can… Read more »
I have less than zero soft spot for them (if that were mathematically tenable), and I have no idea why some here are low key rooting for them…I’d be delighted if they lost the next three straight by 20+ points each…
Yeah I’m with you. Go Toronto!
UNDERSTAND BOTH ( CLF/ JOHNB ) OF YOUR THINKING —-AM INCLINED TO SIDE WITH JOHNB—GET WHAT YOU CAN/ WHILE YOU CAN / BAD CONTRACTS DON’T SEEM TO “PHASE ” UNCLE DAN—-AND WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU MIGHT GET AT # 13 OR THAT PICK COULD LEAD TO ANOTHER TRADE …………STAY TUNED
Ok so I checked out the FTS trade, which is James Johnson and 13 for JR and 26. Not sure if it’s worth it. It’d be doing Miami a huge favor eliminating 1 of their 3 worst contracts, and setting back the salary cap timing for the Cavs by 1 year, and allowing Miami to speed up their max salary cap room by 33%.
Feels like something more should be added, or just a whole different deal altogether.
Moving up that much with just cap relief for a team that can’t play for big FAs this year probably isn’t going to get much more. Better than a second rounder. Also we aren’t competing for the east anytime soon so Miami’s Max cap shouldn’t be that much concern. Plus it takes more than a Max these days. Otherwise you need stars on rookie contracts. It is more difficult to get your guy at the 26th spot. So I don’t necessarily think we are shooting ourselves.
Also the JR contract is sort of a hard deadline that is running out soon. Get what you can and move on.
Not necessarily they’ve talked about amending the guaranteed date. but I think they’d have to get a ruling from the NBA whether it would then fall under the current CBA or the previous CBA
Who have they talked to about amending it? Presumably JR would be the only person that mattered since he would have to agree with that. I mean that is essentially renegotiating an already signed contract. Better for him the sooner the guarantee kicks in. Not sure why he would agree to amend since he loses 11 million and there is no guarantee he gets signed if he gets bought out.
I’m not sure I agree with what you’re saying. The Cavs are in prime position for free agency in 2020. The Heat are not. If this trade happens, there’s no question it improves the Heat’s chances to become a player in 2020, and simultaneously hurts the Cavs in 2020. Making assumptions about what’s going to happen (or not happen) in FA is besides the point IMO. I’d rather have 66 million in cap space in 2020 than 50 million.
I would rather have a core of young players and assets than a ton of FA cap space the next few years. I mean what max FAs are coming here anyway? How much cap could we even take back anyway in a Smith trade? 15 mil isn’t that much.
Yeah I’m more into that deal if it’s for Ryan Anderson. Or Jr and another player for Whiteside. Preferably Tristan
I’d say Dragic, but yeah, I get what you’re saying…. makes sense.
who cares?
this was supposed to be funny.. i guess not.. but who has a “caring” issue?
https://twitter.com/CavsTheTweets/status/1136007471615696896?s=19
I’d like that pick, so I’d be okay taking a pretty garbage contract. The real question is what contract Gilbert is willing to take on. Good chance at snagging a good player at 13. (Or Bol Bol…it might be worth it for the Nate columns)…
Any as long as JR for a contract is all it takes. But I doubt they would do that straight up.
Realistically for Miami, the only contracts they probably want relief from are Waiters’, Olynyk’s, or Johnson’s. Dragic, Anderson, and Whiteside contracts expire after next year.
I think the only way Cavs get some kind of help is taking on Dragic’s.
Even getting those one-year contracts off the books is a savings for Miami. I mean Dan is basically buying the ability to move up twelve spots for 9 to 15 million dollars depending on who they trade. I mean even Ryan Anderson a guy who will contribute absolutely nothing other than a cap hit is the savings for Miami. Miami is so up against the tax that even a one year savings would allow them to augment their roster without having to pay the luxury tax. If you’re looking to move the longer-term deals I think you have to ask… Read more »
Presumably they would want the 26th. That still might be ok even if we did have to take on a longer contract. Clarke would probably fall into that range. At 13 he would be a very good pick. I think most of our guys are coming off the books in 2020 anyway which will free up some cap. Not that I’d expect us to be ready to spend in FA by then.
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying, Nate. Miami’s already under the tax threshold according to Spotrac. McGruder or Jones Jr. don’t move the needle for me as for that triumvirate of terrible contracts, but future picks might. I guess Jones Jr. might be something, but he can’t shoot… McGruder’s going to be 28 next season and sucks. If I were Miami, I’m trying to get rid of those 3 (Waiters, Olynyk, Johnson) contracts to become a player in 2020. I don’t see how trying to offload one of Dragic, Whiteside, or Anderson this offseason changes anything that they… Read more »
Good point but I think I saw the in the rumor mill there were discussions. I think at this point it is more likely for a second rounder? Dunno if they have one, but it is pretty late in the game for that contract. Would have been more valuable for a team that was trying to go after one or two big FAs this summer.
Oh, well if it’s just a 2nd rounder for a year rental, then I’d still go with Dragic, just because of need.
I do like dragic. His best years are likely bbehind him, but still a good shooter. Could mentor Sexton.
Bah. I suck today. I was looking at last year’s tax numbers. I also meant Richardson, not McGruder. If the head moved Anderson or dragic for JR, they could create 15-18 million in cap room for this coming season. Apologies for being off my game.
All good Nate… thanks for the clarifications, I get what you’re saying now.
Meh. I did read, maybe on fts, that there were talks. Suspect it won’t be swaping first rounders though.
thanks for the tip, I’ll go check it out.
Pretty good article at CanisHoopus on Porter Jr…the author is higher on him than I am, but it’s good analysis. He’s probably one of the big feast or famine guys in the draft.
https://www.canishoopus.com/2019/6/4/18650385/assessing-the-drafts-most-polarizing-prospect-kevin-porter-jr-nba-draft
Man I was pretty high about him offensively as far as his ceiling after watching scouting vidoes, but I watched a workout with him and his shooting elbow is way angled out at the beginning of his motion, which wasn’t visible from the scouting videos I watched. He seemed to have a decent follow through where the elbow is more vertical on release, but it does look a bit funky at the start. I haven’t seen free throws. He also seemed to shoot better in the workout video after pulling up, steping back, or after other dribble moves than he… Read more »
Best thing for this dude would be to go to the Heat. If any organization out there could develop him best, I bet it’s them…
Huh, why is that? Are they known for player dev? They have a strong organizational culture and spo is a good coach, but I really have no idea what their player dev record is.
The wings they have brought in have mostly reached their potential, I’d say…
Wade certainly. Richardson and Winslow….I don’t know enough as to what they were like coming in. They seem ok now, but I couldn’t tell you what parts of their games improved. Don’t watch the heat.
Nor can I name other wings the heat have drafted in recent memory save Caron Butler, but I think they traded him as part of the shaq deal? He developed mainly in Washington. I don’t remember who else they have developed over the years.
Richardson and Winslow are nice pieces for their ages…. Richardson’s just entering his prime and can shoot. Winslow’s offense is meh, but he’s a plus defender and only 22 or 23 years old…. and his offense took a step forward this past season.
Btw, Trevor Magnotti compared Porter Jr to Nick Young…lol…he could be developed into a great player, but going by what we know now, do. not. want.
I could see that.
Yeah, it’s a terrifying thought, but I can totally see it…
Actually Steph, The Shot, The Block and The D cost you the championship.
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/06/04/stephen-curry-i-cost-warriors-2016-championship/
If you drive far enough on Euclid you get to the real estate in the Dubs’ heads.
Ha haaaaa!!
JUST TO THROW A “RANDOM ‘ QUESTION OUT THERE —-IF YOU WERE DECIDING BETWEEN ONLY 2 PLAYERS AT THE 26TH PICK—AND THOSE 2 PLAYERS BEING ——–TACKO FALL / BOL-BOL——WHO WOULD YOU PICK——I AM ACTUALLY LEANING TOWARDS FALL—(EVEN THOUGH BOL-BOL IS MUCH MORE SKILLED )–DUE TO THE INJURY / LONGEVITY FACTOR OF BOL-BOL—–THINK FALL IS MUCH MORE DURABLE / CAN IMPROVE SKILL / ATHLETIC-AGILITY WISE ——–JUST MY “RANDOM ‘ THOUGHTS
I dunno. Fall’s free throws are problematic for me. Dunno how much those improve. I mean he shot 36% as a senior. Bol if healthy sort of gives you a gigantic but really skinny stretch 5. I don’t really want either to be honest.
Bol Bol by 50 miles. He might be a really good NBA player, I doubt Fall will be in the league in two years…
Agree with Mike… Bol bol every time
Tacko moves like a woolly mammoth. Dude will never stick in the NBA unless he finds a team that plays at a glacial pace.
Nice piece, Mistake by Nate or not. I might still foul Draymond Green in that situation just to force him to make two shots with the Toronto fans going crazy. Not the right analytical choice, but sometimes testing someone is better than playing the numbers. Iggy seems to always pass that test. He will and should be a Hall of Famer regardless of his regular season regression over his Warriors tenure. He is an all-time great playoff performer. The Rockets don’t come close to beating the Dubs last year if he were healthy. He is as important to their success… Read more »
Thanks, man! Iggy’s earned the right to take that shot, and he made it and won the game.
https://twitter.com/smackdown9d9/status/1135730242230861824?s=19
I know we’re all draft experts this time of year BUT….. I was curious what the best predictors of NBA success are for prospects. I found a couple articles/studies that suggest college productivity at a young age is the most accurate predictor. And in one article, productivity specifically means the traditional counting stats, ie points, rebounds, and assists. Surprisingly it doesn’t seem to mean shooting %s. Of course there is a decent amount of variation, but to get a high level player it does seem like drafting young is advisable.
https://towardsdatascience.com/dissecting-the-nba-draft-ee175d7aec31
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/what-predicts-nba-success/?redirect=1
Interesting pieces. I much prefer the latter. I find wins shares to be mostly stat hunting garbage, that doesn’t always actually produce wins. If you’re not going with regularized on court data, I find box plus minus and four factors PM to be a better stats. I also am pretty skeptical of a piece that doesn’t list steals as a predicter of NBA success. I’ve read pieces that rank it as one of the biggest predictors. I also note that prediction models may be completely obsolete given how fast development is changing. Finally, I would argue, agreeing with the second,… Read more »
Idk, look up any draft on Basketball Reference and sort by win shares and you get a pretty accurate picture of how the players have performed.
Thanks for posting, love stuff like this. Not surprising, if a guy is going to stick in the NBA, he better dominate in college.
VINTAGE / NATE– YES I HAVE THE SAME “MIXED ” EMOTIONS OF ACTUALLY ROOTING FOR THE DUBS—–BELIEVE IT IS OUT OF RESPECT FOR OUR CAVS — I DON’T WANT ANY OTHER TEAM OTHER THAN OUR OWN CAVS TO HAVE BEATEN THE DUBS FOR THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP—ALTHOUGH AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED ( THIS TEAM WITHOUT DURANT ) IS NOT THE SAME TEAM AS THE 2016 WARRRIORS TEAM —–SO I GUESS IF RAPTORS DO WIN –I COULD TAKE SOME SOLACE IN THAT ——-AND A “CONGRATS ” TO THE “MIGHTY QUINN ” FOR PERSEVERING / WORKING ON HIS CRAFT TO BE A BONAFIDE SUB… Read more »
JEOPARDY JAMES HAS BEEN DEFEATED !!!!
Nate, I have the exact same internal conflict as you re: the outcome of the series. I’ve had GS winning all season wrong and I can’t really explain why I am rooting for my prediction to be correct. I feel like I’d be less upset if they won without KD than if they won with him. Maybe the Warriors aren’t as deplorable since they aren’t playing the Cavs this year. Maybe they’ve been so deplorable for so long that I’ve become jaded to their antics and they don’t seem as bad this year. Maybe it’s because I respect that they… Read more »
SOME GREAT “RANDOM ‘ THOUGHTS ——YOU KNOW IF IGGY DOESN’T TAKE THE SHOT –THE “SO CALLED ” EXPERTS WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL OVER HIM FOR THAT –VERY EASY BEING A “COUCH COACH ” ———-AAU IS REALLY TEARING AT THE HEART OF HIGH SCHOOL BASTBALL ALSO —MORE PLAYERS ARE MORE “TUNED ” IN TO THAT THAN THEIR OWN HIGH SCHOOL —AND YES DON’T THINK THEY GET COACHED ON THE “FUNDAMANTALS / TEAM ASPECT ” OF THE GAME —-ALOT OF YOUR COLLEGE COACHES ARE SPENDING MORE TIME AT AAU GAMES THAN AT HIGH SCHOOL GAMES / WHY SOME GOOD PLAYERS ARE NOW… Read more »
Sure, Toronto could have fouled Green before the Iguodala dagger, but I think there were several other moments that could have swung the game as well that aren’t being talked about as much: 1. Lowry incredulously fouling out on a strip attempt 90 something feet away from the basket with a little over 4 minutes left 2. Gasol with two inexplicable moving screen offensive fouls in the 4th quarter 3. Failing to capitalize with Looney and Klay both out – Warriors were running Curry, Green, Iguodala, Cook/Livingston, and Cousins/Bogut. Essentially only 2 good defenders in Green and Iguodala. Really surprised… Read more »
Agree on the coaching choices. Off ball screening is an important talent for guards, but Delly doesn’t really have gravity. Teams aren’t really worried about him as far as chasing him or bending their d like those other guys you mention. They aren’t worried about him after or during the screen necessarily, but worried about how that screen frees the person he is screening. That doesn’t negate the utility of him being good at off ball screens, but it doesn’t really bend or break the d in the same way. Teams have to track Curry through and after the screen… Read more »
Westbrook for instance shot 54% on fts, then 71% on fts his second year in college. Improved, but not necessarily indicative of a guy who was going to be a solid shooter. And Kawhi, 72.5% and then 76%. That consistency and decent second year percentage indicates to me at least the potential someone could become a shooter. Why I am somewhat lukewarm on Barrett becoming a consistent shooter. That’s a gamble with him. Guys who shoot consistently below about 70% in college I have serious doubts about as ever developing a consistent j. It’s why Zion could end up being… Read more »
Hard no from me on moving up to get Barrett. If he’s there when the Cavs pick, take him, I guess, but I would not give up much to nab him. I saw someone was throwing out James Harden as a comp for him, which is laughable (I think comparing almost any prospects to MVPs and HoFers is laughable)…I think the comp as him turning into some kind of Derozan like player is far, far more likely. Agree that it was a terrible move to not foul immediately instead of letting GS just run the clock down and take a… Read more »
DeRozan seems like he could be a good comp.
Hey Nate, they are down two, not one.
Your analysis is about as good as your memory on this one. 3. 2. Does not matter. You have a much better chance of making both FTS or at least one of two (worst case up 3) rather than the 36% chance on a 3 with more time left.
Better luck next time.
What free throws? The Raps were clearly not fouling. Thanks for catching my math though. It was late and I was tired. I’m still right though.
The FTs you talk about in the piece, fouling Green. Down 1, you foul if you do not get a steal. Down 2 it is more problematic. 2 made FTs beat you. 1 make puts you down 3, no timeouts, with GSW able to foul & prevent a 3 before you cross halfcourt. That scenario ends in heave or needing to make the first FT, miss the second, and score. If the Dubs ran the clock more, the Raps probably end up fouling later. Iggy taking that shot was the best case scenario for the Raps. Earlyish in the clock,… Read more »
Letting the clock expire leaves three seconds not two. Clock was 3 seconds difference. That isn’t exactly heave mode. There is time to dribble. Down two points means they wouldn’t even have to shoot from three. Three seconds would be enough to get off a layup if you caught the ball on the move from the three point line. Raptors had a time out left as they advanced next possession. Secondly unlikely they get a better shot than a wide wide open three like that. Raptors were collapsed. Three in the paint. One near curry. As uncontested as that was,… Read more »
But I probably wouldn’t have fouled up two. That much I agree with.
I do appreciate your readership and for catching my mistake. I edited out a good portion that was based on faulty recollection.
Sorry if I was harsh, bad day today. But yeah, it changes the whole calculus.
This seems like a pretty harsh response to a mistake to be honest…
Nate was ripping JVG and others pretty hard on their takes of the situation and he got the scenario wrong. A lot of the piece made no sense down 2.
If you are going to go guns blazing at others and your premise is faulty, that is egg on face territory. He kind of deserved it in my view.
Just fix it and move on. Not a huge deal.
Nobody spending their time for free to generate content “deserves” that type of response. I found it harsh and unnecessary… but hey, roll however you want…