From Distance: Injured Dubs and Raptors’ D
2019-06-07four point play….
1. I’m sure many Cavs fans are slightly annoyed that the Warriors picked this year get the injury bug. After a run of exceedingly good health, nonsense about Curry’s 2016 faux injury withstanding, the Warriors find themselves down two games to one with only the faint hope of a rusty Kevin Durant and a hobbled Klay Thompson to save them.
The 2015 Cavs probably played my favorite team style with Delly, Bron, and Blatt leading the smashmouth attack. The Dubs play physical ball, but they have always been vulnerable to size and strength. Over the years, they have had trouble with Proto Grit and Grind, Thunder muck ball, and, well, P.J. Tucker.
The Cavs won in 2016 because they consistently forced Curry to guard on defense. The physicality required to continually switch and fight through screens set by larger guys off ball, and the resulting challenge of having to check LeBron or Kyrie onball, left Steph Curry’s legs a puddle of jello.
Lazy sports media personalities (Simmons, I’m talking to you), have tried to attribute Curry’s ineffective 2016 Finals to a knee injury. We know that wasn’t the case. Curry was fine in the Western Conference Finals. Instead, it was smart offensive game planning that dually functioned as great defensive game planning. Curry couldn’t make shots because he had no legs.
With that in mind, I find it surprising that the Raptors have not targeted Curry’s defense as consistently as previous Cavs teams. One could say that their motion offense and desire to continually move the rock supersedes the necessity to target Curry’s smaller stature. Hunting mismatches can slow down good movement.
They won game 3 with 30 + assists, so they are probably right in their conclusion. But with Thompson coming back, and the inevitable return of Kevin Durant, I think the Raptors should focus a little bit more on tiring Curry thus preventing his 3-point shot from equalizing the series.
2. The Raptors do have his incredible size and intelligence. They are not saddled with playing smaller wings like Iman Shumpert in order to maintain spacing. Instead their bigs, notably Marc Gasol and to a lesser extent Serge Ibaka, are comfortable playing around the perimeter and hitting open shots.
Ibaka had a fantastic defensive game in Game 3. Beyond his shot blocking, his off ball screen rotation was mostly perfect. Ibaka took a page from his Spanish and Raptor teammate, Gasol in expertly navigating the small steps of help defense, leaning just far enough to prevent a screen action without losing primary responsibility.
Ibaka’s blocks didn’t come from block hunting. Instead he was great in transition defense and on time with his half court help responsibility. A couple of Ibaka’s blocks should have been called goal-tend, but whatever. Check out this fantastic defense from Ibaka and Green at the 23 sec mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83AMMfV0LhY&t=0m23s
Danny Green perfectly stays on the high side of Curry to keep him in a tough mid-range game, Ibaka stays attached to a rolling Bogut enough to prevent the lob and yet is able to block Curry’s floater with Green leveraging his length from behind.
More brilliant teamwork is at the 1:07 mark. Green boxout fights Bogut under the hoop, steps up to contest a Jerebko drive after Lowry expertly runs him off the line. All the while, Ibaka, falls off a successfully defended Green/Curry screen action on the right wing back down into the paint for the block. Big time Team D!!!!
Speaking of size, Pascal Siakam has fully realized that nobody playing for the Warriors is really large enough to prevent him from getting all the way to the cup. The few players that the Warriors employ that could stay with him in open space are currently injured, Kevon Looney and Kevin Durant.
Even Draymond Green seems to have difficulty with Siakam. Green is great, but he must seem tiny to Siakam after having to go against The Greek Freak. Pascal has an almost backyard style with his ability to throw people off with hesitation and jiggle. He has become a better left-handed finisher and ball-handler and it has unlocked his half-court prowess.
With Danny Green joining the playoff party, the Raptors can score from multiple angles. Yes, Lowry and Fred VanVleet need to continue to make shots, but even if they don’t, they still are winning players with their defense and ball/player movement.
So far, the team that absolutely needed the victory, came away victorious. It would have been a disaster for the Raps to lose Game 1 at home or Game 3 against the Warrior’s B team. Likewise for the Warriors if they would have come back to Oracle down 0-2 in the series.
Game 4 might be the first game that doesn’t have the same kind of necessity. One could argue that the Dubs need it more than the Raptors, but I would say Toronto is still required to beat the Dubs with Durant and Looney out, and with a hobbled Klay Thompson. You can’t let the Warriors get into a best of three series with Durant on his way back.
3. In non Finals’ news, rumors about Kyrie Irving going to the Nets have only increased after Brooklyn’s recent trade acquiring Taurean Prince and off-loading Allen Crabbe’s large contract. The Nets have set themselves up to potentially sign two Max guys in July’s free agency period.
To be perfectly honest, I would rather keep D’Angelo Russell and not bother with Kyrie Irving if I am the Nets. Sure, if acquiring Irving also guarantees the Nets an opportunity to acquire Kevin Durant, it is the right move. But if general word is true, Durant is not interested in going to the Nets. If that is the case, there doesn’t seem to be a huge advantage of wrecking the Net’s ball movement and positive culture by bringing in ultimate ball stopper and weirdo, Kyrie Irving. Yes, Irving is essentially a better version of Russell on the floor, but I don’t trust him in a locker room anymore.
Regardless, it is a nice trade for the Nets. They didn’t have to give up a high pick, got off Crabbe’s contract, and acquired a younger, better version of DeMarre Carroll (current version Carroll isn’t the defender he once was. Prince isn’t a great defender, but it is rather hard for anyone to look good on the Hawks over the last couple years. He is probably better than his defensive metrics).
I don’t totally understand the move from the Hawk’s perspective. They got two first rounders for their trouble, but Crabbe is already an inferior player to Prince, and that disparity is likely to grow drastically. I suppose they will try to combine Crabbe’s 2020 expiring contract with some of their extra picks in a package for a superstar caliber wing. Maybe they can help facilitate an Anthony Davis deal? I dunno. They better do something good in order to justify getting rid of Prince.
4. I wish I liked a single player in the Cavs’ draft range. They all make me essentially sigh, shrug my shoulders, and mutter “whatever”. Darius Garland is intriguing I guess, but would likely be rough on the defensive end. Someone is going to convince themselves that Rodney Hood with longer arms, Cam Reddish will be able to learn how to play with intensity. De’Andre Hunter is probably going to be a solid player, but…………… sorry, I just napped a little.
You got anybody interesting?
I almost would enjoy going super big with Tacko or Bol just to have something different than what has been Danny G’s MO. Convince me of someone in the comments. And remember, “fit” should be totally irrelevant in the NBA draft. In the NFL, maybe, but not for the NBA. That is a recipe for disaster.
Very impressed by the raptors. Seems like they are likely to close this out. Not sure that even if Durant comes back the Warriors have a great chance in game 5. Hasn’t played. Still not going to be 100%. If he doesn’t I think it could be a blowout. Raptors and that crowd will be intense for game 5. Plus they are still so much deeper. I gotta think Kawhi resigns now. Kawhi truly appears to making the case he is the best player in the league based on these playoffs if you take his defense into account. If Siakam… Read more »
I had the Raptors as the team to beat on the East. Glad they are the ones facing GS and glad Durant is sidelined. Hopefully he doesn’t come back.
I can’t make up my mind if I want to buy a Siakam, Kawhi or Van Vleet jersey lol.
I HAD –( PRE NBA FINALS PICK )—RAPTORS SWEEPING –( SOMEWHAT TONGUE/ CHEEK )—-BUT GUESS I MIGHT NOT BE TOO FAR OFF—GO RAPTORS !!!———–WITH SOMEWHAT OF THE “DEMISE ” OF THE WARRIORS——DOES THIS GIVE HOPE TO ALOT OF THE WESTERN TEAMS —-ESPECIALLY A TEAM IN L.A. WITH A PLAYER NAMED LEBRON ON TO HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE / SUCCESS ATTRACTING FREE AGENTS ——THE SELL THAT THEY CAN GET PAST THE DUBS / WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP——–ANY OPINIONS ?
8t ain’t over till it’s over, but yes.
Not sure if Durant leaves if the Warriors lose
True, true…if Klay exercises his options and walks, Warriors gonna roll out the $$ for KD.
I mean they will roll out the money for KD regardless of whether Klay leaves or stays. They can and will resign both to maxes no matter what the cap is if those guys want to stay. They won’t care about paying tax to keep that core together.
Yeah I never understood the media shoving down our throats that it’s a guarantee Durant is leaving. Can’t remember the last time I heard someone on TV saying Durant would entertain coming back. Nevertheless, it makes a lot of sense to me that he would want to stay – unless he is truly that BORED of winning championships.. based on his decision of signing with the Dubs in the first place, he seems like someone who likes taking the easy way out. If Kawhi stays, the East seems like a harder route to the Finals between Toronto/Milwaukee/Philly and possibly AD… Read more »
Again, true. It’s not about the money at this point for either of those players. It’s ego and reputation. I’ve posted previously that if KD does not play & GSW lose, he may stay (“they needed meeee!”). If some other stars / antagonistic teammates leave, he’s even more likely to stay. If they win without him, he’s more likely to go (hey, he may have already decided to go but who knows). Purely down to ego. Klay: one gets the sense that he feels under-appreciated for his skillset since 2016, no longer being considered top 2 in his team. He’s… Read more »
I think you nailed it Simmo. My thoughts exactly. It is about his legacy. I agree he is actually more likely to stay if they lose because as you said, it proves they desperately need him because of their shell of a bench. Especially now that GS (without KD) as they are currently constructed with so little depth is getting blitzed by the Raptors.
I guess curry must have injured himself in between games 3 and 4…
He’s only at 47%. It’s quite obvious.
He myst have ran out of those protein bars that cured him of his “illness” in Game 2.
In his defence, carrying a team isn’t easy. lol.
Even when GS had the lead, they looked perplexed.
Man, can’t help thinking about the absolutely remarkable health GS had against us for four years. Oh well!
5 years of NBA finals will do that to you!
Yeah no doubt. Still, 4 years and Curry, Klay, Draymond, Iggy, and Durant (2 years) never missed a game to injury. Unless I’m forgetting something.
Iggy was banged up I think last year but it didn’t really matter with our roster constructed as it was that year. Also you’re forgetting the horrific injury Curry had at the end of 2016 which cost them the title!
Hahahahahaha forgot about that devastating Curry injury
Love it! Go Raps!
Sweet win for the raptors. Klay didn’t have much in the tank down the stretch. Cousins in non-factor in crunch time as well. Warriors couldn’t get a stop when they needed it, and missed their FTs, too.
So dark I missed this game and blog live. Oh, the shadenfreude is strong. Can’t wait to watch the replay. Was it as fun as it sounds?
Was amazing…. Kawhi with a killer performance. Draymond and Cousins blowing the game for GSW
Dray you say, eh?…..womp womp!!
lolol
Great game…Warriors started strong, but I think they’re just worn down. Looney is obviously not 100%, Klay played well, but he probably wore down…Raps played great after struggling hitting a shot in first half…Lowry and Kawhi were nails…enjoy the game…
Also really good Siakam game…
Gotta say (apart from Kawhi obvs) Siakam was pure gold for Raptors. GSW had no answer for his inside game.
If anyone didn’t see this, I loved Jaren Jackson surprising Gasol at media day yesterday…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iQD9XvJu8I4
Kawhi is about as amped as Jim Tressell was after a big win…
At least Dubs know what you have to do to come back 1-3 in the Finals…
Lol
Effective use of the prevent offense by Toronto for most of the 4th quarter.
The fans leaving early don’t deserve a championship
Will be very interesting if Durant plays game 5…on the road…
Stop crying, Bray…
If Vanvleet comes back in after that bloody mess, does that make him General Band-Aid?
Dub fans sounded outraged that the refs called a foul on an obvious foul…
Schadenfreude, Ben. Schadenfreude. Revenge is a dish best served cold. The Revenge of Kawhi.
Lowry>Siakam pick and roll has been murdering the Dubs…
Ibaka has been mostly good, but I’d get Gasol in there…
And there he is…
Don’t foul Curry…like ever…in the bonus…
Siakam needs to hone those corner threes…he’s made huge progress as a shooter already…
The league really should adopt a mouthguard rule. The Steph chomp is gross.
stick a couple of forks in them. Keep pushing, they will lose by 25.
If that’s not a clear path, I don’t know what is.
Yeah…obvious…
Curry’s follow up to the 47 point game 3 makes you admire even more what Lebron had been doing game in and game out for the Cavs all these years. Rarely an off game. Extremely difficult to pull off yet everybody took it for granted.
Great timeout by Nurse. Don’t give them any kind of momentum.
Nurse has been really good this series…way better than Casey was…
Oh no comparison.
Raptors with three fouls in 6 seconds of game time. Warriors in the bonus the rest of the way.
Wow…Raptors…
I played in the paint back in the day, I don’t miss the elbows…
FVV took a nasty elbow in the face from Livingston…
Inadvertent, but nasty…probably stitches…
What is Nurse doing? Both Lowry and Kawhi on the bench?
Coming in now…
Better be a short rest for Kawhi tonight…
Don’t be celebrating yet…
Freddy Ballgame!
Well this is it for the Raptors. Protect a 12 point lead and you are soooooo close to the most improbable championship since the Mavs (I mean based on preseason expectations don’t come at me). Lose it and you give Warriors life.
My god is Quinn Cook terrible at defense.
Huge and 1 for Curry on the dumb Ibaka foul…
Kawhi is straight filthy tonight
He’s in Darth Vader mode tonight…
Tom Pestak must absolutely devour those Kobe Detail things…
No miracles for the Mighty Quinn tonight…so far…
Raptors are amazing. The demeanor of this team has changed so much from years past. Nothing fazes them now.
They are badass this year…I credit Kawhi and Nurse…also Gasol…
I think Gasol made the biggest difference as far as their approach. Kawhi is not that kind of a leader looks like.
Loads of time left, but there are some tight sphincters in the crowd right now…
Draymond finally got a T on at least his third serious outburst this quarter
Anyone know his total Tech number?
Thought they said 5? Not sure. 7 is gonzo.
It is 5, it should be 5 a game.
T on Bray, finally…he should have had two already…
GS in the penalty 4:30 left in third…nice…take it to the rim…
Seems like Klay has not missed a shot…figures…
There you go, Siakam…
So apparently Landry shamet and Van Vleet fly in their personal barber from Wichita every tm time they want a trim.
I do the same thing…is that weird?
Kind of a miracle the Raptors are right in it near half considering their shooting…they need more paint action in 2nd half…
Nice play there for the Gasol dunk…
Klay plays through injuries, and I appreciate that, but man, he’s one annoying dude…
Lol…Curry gets the offensive foul on the kick on the shot…high time…
GSW looks gassed. Keep pushing them and they will crack
McKinnie is basically a G leaguer who can hit corner threes…
Freaking finally…a couple of shots at the rim…
Get it to Siakam closer to the rim…at least FVV finally drove…
Ibaka is maddening…it’s like he alternates winning plays and bonehead plays…like clockwork…
Kawhi and the Kawhi-ettes that quarter…need to hit some shots…take it to the hoop, get fouled…
I’m in Wichita sitting two tables down from a bunch of Shocker players and Fred Van Vleet’s barber.
I really liked those teams FVV played on…competed really hard…
Give Looney credit, that injury must hurt like a son of a gun…and he’s playing. Boogie looked bad in his minutes so far…
Both teams playing hard early, not to much scoring effect…
I sort of agree on the draft. I think there are real possibilities to get solid if not spectacular plus players in the 5-10 range. But forecasting the higher potential picks in this draft seems impossible. I feel like there are a number of boom or bust guys. Reddish and Bol being two of them in my mind. Barrett will likely not be a bust and could turn out to be a really good player. But I could also see him as a volume scorer who isn’t the most efficient offensive player and possibly just an average to below average… Read more »
And if we move up to the 13th. I would do Hunter and a guy like Sekou if (available), or maybe Clarke. If we stay put I would probably really reach for the stars and draft Porter Jr at 26 if he is there. Trading back with the hawks is problematic for me because I think we really get into the “potential” guys in that range. I guess you take Clarke since you know he will at least be good defensively and then take a real swing with the other pick.
Not sure why my comment posted twice
I’d be ok with trading with ATL for picks 8 and 10 and taking Reddish and Clarke. The Cavs are sort of in no man’s land in this draft. 5 probably nets you a solid player but isn’t necessarily moving the needle. Moving back in the draft and taking guys who have high upside but disappointed somewhat in college might be the way to go. It’s going to be awhile before the Cavs are relevant outside of Ohio.
What about trading down for someone like Jaxson Hayes? He’s about 7’0″ with a 7’3″ wingspan. Good finisher and shot-blocker. Athletic and quick for his size. Efficient scorer with big ol’ hands.
I see Reddish as some variation of Iman Shumpert (high end), and Ben McLemore (low end). Needless to say, I think he’s a perfect fit for the Lakers or Knicks. There are some guys I like at 5, although I see them as more decent rotation guys than future stars. The guys in this draft who will probably surprise and be really good are raw dudes like Sekou Debouya…and these types can just as easily be total wipeouts in the NBA. Looking forward to game 4. Dubs probably win, but the Raps can put the steel boot on their throat… Read more »
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