Quick React/Open Thread: Cavs select Tyrese Proctor (or, #GoDuke #TheBrotherhood)
2025-06-27TGIF CtB!
The Cavs finally made their first move of the offseason by selecting Duke guard Tyrese Proctor with the Cavs’ 49th pick in the 2025 NBA Draft… let’s dive in for instant reaction,
#GoDuke #TheBrotherhood
Cavs’ POBO Koby Altman has hit the ground running so far since the playoffs ended. He was in hot pursuit of Kevin Durant, and should’ve won that trade war if KD wasn’t a complete coward. Without a blockbuster player on the market anymore (except maybe Giannis???), Altman turned in a quick BPA masterclass for the draft selecting Proctor. The Duke guard was projected as a consensus top 40 pick, expected to go in the 30-40 range and was clearly one of the highest ranked players on the board when the Cavs chose him. It appeared through pre-draft workouts that the Cavs were in pursuit of a big more than a guard, but Altman remained disciplined and taking what the rest of the NBA was giving.
What are the Cavs getting? They’re getting a back-end roster player who can maybe provide legitimate competition… players such as CPJ, Isaac Okoro, and Jaylon Tyson will need to stay on task. There’s hedging for the possible departures of Sam Merrill or Ty Jerome to free agency. It’s clear one of the effects of the second apron in the CBA is even teams that want to pay the tax (such as the Cavs) are still limited to doing so for about 1 or 2 seasons maximum before roster restrictions become too onerous to deal with. Drafting Proctor and hoping he pans out during the rookie contract is a necessary evil for contending teams in the second apron era to maintain roster flexibility and keep core guys together.
Draft Grade: A, if not A+
Tyrese, the Player
So what was his tenure like at Duke? To be honest, it’s one of falling short of expectations. Now to be fair to Tyrese, expectations at Duke are championships or bust. For Tyrese, what happened was a role change due to injury and recruiting. At the end of his freshman year, there was a glimpse of a star point guard. He stayed in school presumably to be the “veteran leader point guard” of the past season’s team and boost his own draft stock and potentially go in the lottery. That did not happen at all. His role was reduced to 3 and D as Cooper Flagg and Kon Kneuppel took over playmaking duties. Part of the reason Duke didn’t win the title was Proctor being miscast offensively off ball out of necessity because Duke lacked three point shooting, and him being unable to make up for it on the defensive end. The defense first guys Duke ran out (Caleb Foster and Maliq Brown, namely) couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn… but such is life in college basketball.
Tyrese is a versatile, skillful, athletic offensive player whose lack of physicality, strength, toughness, and confidence holds him back from his full potential, especially on defense. Can he find some grown man strength and confidence? Then the pick has home run potential… if he doesn’t? No harm no foul he’ll be trade fodder for a future deal.
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SURPRISED TURNER LEFT THE PACERS
I’m shocked they wouldn’t meet Milwaukees price.
in today’s salary cap NBA world, the Pacers might be smart to punt this year (assuming they have their draft picks) and build for when Hali comes back
God damn we lost to a Pacer team that is absolutely decimated for next year.
Dame waived by the Bucks who sign Myles Turner.
Yep. Bucks also brought back KPJ, Prince, Trent Jr., and Portis.
Giannis looks to stay put. Cavs/Knicks/Bucks my top 3 in the East. Pistons, Magic, Hawks next. Celts will be good-ish but still have a lower ceiling.
I would take the Jerome flier (2 years, vet min) on Dame. Mentor for first year, maybe something second year.
ah, I guess we are limited to one year vet min
He was already a traffic cone on defense, not sure how he could possibly be used in a deep playoff run, even in limited minutes.
…like Ty Jerome?
absolutely
hope the Cavs are on the phone right now with Dame and/or his agent. two years at the vet min would be an all time steal.
The 4 guys we let go were brutally bad in the POs. Jerome was hot vs Miami, but awful otherwise and still only 52.1% TS. Okoro had the best PO TS%, and if you think his iloffense was unplayable (and it was, nearly at best), check out Wade’s numbers. A lot of our guys get the yips when the lights are bright (DG, Spida FTs), but nothing compared to the guys who are gone. Excelt for Wade. TS% all above 55 for all save DG at 54, and the toe hurt him this year. 55% ain’t great, but it isn’t… Read more »
I wrote a long screed about Ty a few hours ago. Deleted it because it was really a cathartic personal thing for me that no one really needs to read, but in short: he was the reason our bench kicked ass last season and lifted the team to a high W/L level, helped the starters get to the POs in good shape. Broke me a bit that it mattered for shit, our starters still got hurt and when the Pacers targeted Ty he folded like a cheap suit. Finding players that WANT the fight when it matters…is not easy. But… Read more »
don’t know if DG and DM got the playoff yips.
DG had a broken big toe.
DM missed a bunch of FT’s at the end of games when he had played too many minutes with no help handling the ball and initiating the offense — precisely why JT and KPJ should have been in the rotation all year.
ultimately, it’s on Garland and Mobley and Allen next year. the margin moves are nice but we need to feed the bigs and stay healthy. there are ways to do that irrespective of who 9-14 in the rotation are.
DG crapped the bed vs the Knicks. Had one good game and was brutal beside that. Horford kicked his but when we lost to Boston.
Regarding Mitchell, 76.7% from the line is pretty yippy, for him. Allen is better from the FT line in the POs. And 33% from deep ain’t exactly lighting it up. Everyone else is so passive/bad that Spida looks better by comparison. Brilliant from 2, though. He’s the only guy I trust on the team offensively in the POs.
Yep.
Current squad: Playoffs (Cavs only)
Player: MPG, PPG/RPG/APG. FG/3PT/FT/TS.
Mitchell: 36.5, 28.3/5.0/4.8. 45.5/33.3/76.7/56.6
Garland: 35.0, 17.3/2.9/5.5. 42.8/34.3/85.7/54.3
Mobley: 34.7, 15.1/9.0/2.0. 54.8/38.0/73.9/60.7
Allen: 32.2, 13.1/9.3/1.6. 67.9/x/80.6/72.2
————
Strus: 32.7, 10.4/5.5/3.3. 41.1/36.7/90.9/55.6
Hunter: 23.1, 11.0/3.6/1.0. 42.9/46.2/84.6/59.1
Merrill: 15.8, 4.4/1.8/1.3. 36.2/36.4/83.3/55.1
Wade: 15.4, 2.0/3.4/0.8. 31.3/24.0/100/42.6
————Non-Cavs PO Averages——
Ball: never been to the POs
Playoffs, for Cavs only:
Player: MPG, PPG/RPG/APG, FG/3PT/FT/TS
Okoro: 17.9, 5.3/1.5/0.8. 41.5/29.7/78.3/52.2
Jerome: 21.2, 11.7/2.4/3.6. 40.2/38.9/85.0/52.1
—————–
LeVert: 28.0, 11.6/3.9/2.4. 43.0/27.5/64.1/51.1
Niang: 12.1, 2.8/0.4/0.4. 22.0/13.0/87.5/31.4
I think we are really down to just 2 one way players. DG on O and Wade on D. The other 7 rotational guys are either straight 2 way value guys (Mobley, Allen, Ball, Strus) or can give you enough on D not to be a seive in the POs while giving good O value (Mitchell, Hunter, Merrill).
Ice was D only. Jerome/Niang O only. Caris could play both ways, but was so streaky on O. The Hawks did not keep either, I’d note.
Caris signing with Detroit for less was really interesting. If we could have gotten that extension, maybe we don’t do the Hunter trade and we do something like Niang for a backup big?
good point.
Eastern PO teams:
Cavs: Merrill, Ball
Out: Jerome, Okoro
————:
Knicks: Clarkson,
———–
Bucks: KPJ, Trent Jr, Proce, Portis, Connaughton
Out: Lopez
———–
Magic: Bane, Jones,
Out: Anthony, KCP
————
Pistons: LeVert, Reed
Out: Schroeder
———
Hawks: Porzingas, Alexander-Walker, Kennard
Out: Capela, LeVert, Niang
————
Celtics: Garza, Niang, Simons
Out: Holiday, Porzingas, Kornet
I really want to see Hunter starting more with Strus taking on the 6th man roll and providing scoring off the bench. I really believe that’s the Ty replacement strategy with the greatest chance for success.
Strus is a better team player. On O & D. IMHO, anyway. He helps more when not touching the ball on O and is better on D. Better fit with Core 4.
I’d rather have Hunter’s scoring in lineups with less scoring. KA does not do a 2nd unit, but as things stand, only Hunter & Merrill can score much off the bench. And only Hunter with the ball. Though Ball can initiate.
right.
I rate Hunter’s performance as underwhelming last year. bringing him up to speed will be a key task for the coming season.
Strus is a lot better than Ty
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Corneillson must be out of weed, because he has a couple entries (about potential signings) that are on the money:
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Horford has to be our #1 target at C/PF. He can still defend well enough, space the floor (36% in 3s, IIRC), and give us secondary playmaking.
Yes, he is ancient, but he was still giving us problems late last year. You can play 5 outcwith him at C (with or without Mobley) and he could play PF next to Allen. Plus, he has a ton of know how that could help Mobley & JA.
I’d be hard pressed to find a better vet min guy at any position. And certainly not a PF/C combo.
You are right of course. I detest the guy, but would grit my teeth and try to get past it. Winning cures all.
haha — I will stop detesting him the minute he signs with the Cavs!
PISTONS / HAWKS/ MAGIC HAVE IMPROVED——- HOPING PROCTOR IS NBA READY/ EASE THE LOSS OF TY
right. Coach Kenny needs to make a couple steps up this year:
Needs to use a deeper rotation and not be afraid to use the young guys. CPJ, Proctor, and Tyson need to play serious minutes.Needs to develop Plan B and Plan C. Plan A worked great last year, but when DG went down, the Pacers stopped it, and there was no where to turn.Follow the Pacers plan of working things out the first couple months, and be peaking late.
Man, IDK about that. We are already two deep everywhere except C. And that isn’t including CPJ, Proctor, or Tyson.
Yes, it would be nice if CPJ levels up to spare wear & tear on Ball/DG. And Tyson could help offset some of Ty’s scoring. But so would Horford. Merrill will play more minutes with Ice gone, he’ll score more.
We are sitting on 9 rotation level guys atm. Tough to go deeper than 10.
yeah, but:
DG will be missing maybe a couple months.
DW and LB are usually hurt a lot and should be used sparingly — at least the first couple months.
so getting the Three Mouseketeers (CPJ, Proctor, or Tyson) onto the floor will be a big plus
with Ty gone, how much can the Cavs offer for someone, perhaps Horford?
media reports suggest the Cavs and Celts and a few others are in the mix for Horford. depth at 4/5 is the Cavs biggest issue r.n.
Vet min. We have the best chance to make the Finals of the teams listed next year and Al is 40. Maybe.
is the vet min the best the Cavs can offer?
Yeah, I don’t think we can do a sign and trade with Wade which would be my other thought
For sure. Horford would be huge. We’d be 2 deep at every spot with some versatility:
PG: DG, Ball
SG: Mitchell, Merrill
SF: Strus, Hunter
PF: Mobley, Wade
C: Allen, Horford
3rd string: CPJ, Proctor, Tyson
2-way: Tomlin
Ty’s $ suggests he was annoyed by being benched against Indy and maybe wasn’t coming back at any price?
Fine. Let Hunter and Mobley take his shots.
more likely that is the most anyone offered
Yep. But he deserved it. Though he did give us a little boost in G5. We had so few options I might have given him a chance earlier.
But I think he’s more of a SG/gunner than a PG..
Who is in our price range or might be willing to ring chase at the vet min?
C: Dream: Horford. Maybe: Bryant. Yes: Biyombo, Hayes.
PF: Dream: Boucher, Nance. Maybe: Lyles, Precious. Yes: Morris, Thor.
SF: Dream: None. Maybe: Craig. Yes: Crowder, McDermott.
PG: Dream: Paul, Brogdon. Maybe: Dinwiddie, Exum, Wright. Yes: M. Morris, Simmons, Fultz (RFA).
SG: Dream: None. Maybe: Harris, Trent Jr. Yes: Burks.
I like burks
Atlanta gets Kennard on a one year deal in addition to NAW. They look fun if Risacher takes a jump and JJ is healthy.
With Johnson healthy again. Yep. Hawks & Magic improved in the East. Rockets & Nuggets in the West.
Brook to Clips (!) for 2/18
The backup big market is crazy.
GOOD LUCK TY
Batun back to Clips.
Rockets extend Smith Jr..
More dealz:
Caris to Pistons: 2/$29.
Portis back to Bucks, 3/$44
Jaylin Williams extension with OKC: 3/$24
Tre Jones to Bulls: 3/$24
Spencer to Grizz: 2/$4.5
good stuff!
More dealz:
LeBron oots IN with Lakers
Harden re-ups with Clips, 2/$81.5
Randle re-ups with Wolves, 3/$100
JJJ extension with Grizz: 5/$240
Aldama back to Grizz: 3/$52.5
Ayton bought out, now a FA
Clarkson bought out, now a FA
LaRavia to Lakers: 2/$12
Looney to Pels: 2/$18
Deals:
Ty to Grizz, 3/$28
Denver: Porter Jr + ’32 unprotected 1st to Nets for Cam Johnson.
Denver: Bruce Brown, undisclosed.
Kevin Porter Jr: stays with Bucks, 2/$11
Capela to HOU: 3/$21.5
Finney Smith to HOU: 4/$53
Kornet to Spurs: 4/$41
De’Angelo Russell to Mavs: 2/$11
Schroeder to Kings: undisclosed
C Paul Reed to Pistons: 2/$11
Ty 3/28 (!!)
with Memphis
If Ty wanted more shots, a great “prove it” deal (PO for the third year) if he can be a solid starting guard with Bane gone.
His offensive game is a lot like Bane’s albeit he prefers the slow step / floater to Banes rim attacks
I been slow all my life, and it sure never helped me get off any shots in traffic! (I did a lot better shooting threes when I was open)
Grizz biz:
Aldama 3/$52
Jackson: 5/$240
IDK what they have left for Ty.
Way over. But jetting rid of Anthony gets them closer to under the tax. MLE maybe.
Room exception they are saying?
I’d take Cole as a consolation prize tbh
Stein sez Ty to the Grizz for 10m per is likely outcome.
We must really have hated his D or considered him a contract year fluke.
They don’t want to pay him. The d thing is just analytics washing the decision.
it did come up from Fedor at the 11th hour, so it feels like a pretext. although he does stink on that end and his career production is…volatile. i suspect it’s the years that bug us more than the money.
it’s a reasonable decision regardless of the rationale. let’s see what else happens.
I suspect Nate is correct. Though the D thing is not without merit. And he did choke HARD in that Indy series. Also was his first POs. And he was great vs Miami. I would do it. But $100 million is the real cost, not $14. That ain’t nothing. I think it may be that that don’t want to pay that much for a guy they are not sure is a playoff contributor or not. Ice is in that category, and he is gone as well. Ball (when healthy), Strus, and Merrill have proven it. Even Hunter. Wade hasn’t, but… Read more »
I would pay it, hoping he improves in the POs next year. If he gets hot, he can swing a game or two. He did vs Miami.
But it is a reasonable enough decision that I am not gonna get up in arms about it.
I feel the same – would have been a defensible move to keep him, and it’s defensible not to as well. One way to look at it is they’ve exchanged one uncertainty for another. Because, yes, with Ball the health is a big gamble, but “if” he’s able to play 25+ minutes a night in April/May, he’s a major difference maker. With Ty you worry “less” about health (although he did sit out the entire season just two years ago), but you still don’t know if he’s playable against good playoff and that’s a gamble. The Heat were easily the… Read more »
And if you’re looking at Ty more as a backup 2 than a 1, then the fact Merrill has become a legit defender – and that Ty is sus on that end – could have been important and not just a rationalization.
Agreed, good post Windmill
good point
Looking ahead to Summer League:
Drafted/Rostered: Proctor
Draft/Stash: Niang, Diop
2 way: Tomlin
2 way RFA: Travers
Exhibit 10:
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—-9.1/4.9/1.3 on 56.7/29.4/70.4
Norchad Omier, F, 6’7″, 240, Baylor
—-15.7/10.8/1.5 on 55.6/29.0/75.0
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Actually, we tendered a qualifying offer (2 way variety). Luke is a RFA. Though I doubt he attracts much interest.
Hoping for Horford in FA.
I doubt Ty is back, but still have hope. Relying on Ball to be healthy/backup PG seems wildly optimistic. We’d need another bench ball-handler unless you think CPJ is ready to level up.
I think CPJ is clearly the plan for next season, along with Proctor/Ball. Also Mobley is due for another big leap in usage.
From a roster construction standpoint, I think you are certainly correct. We need bigs and wings more than another guard. But KA sure did not seem to trust CPJ much last year, even with DG & Ty struggling mightily. If he isn’t gonna be playable in those circumstances, we need another guy.
Given Ball’s injury history and Proctor’s limitations, I would not want to deoend on either for anything. I want some insurance.
Now, I am a bit more confident Tyson can give us rotational minutes.
insurance would be nice, but every team is going to have some holes. I would prefer additional depth at the 4/5.
what are Proctor’s limitations that you speak of? I would like to see what he can do before I give up on him.
Wine and Gold on Ty:
“I had somebody in the NBA that looks at these numbers — and they get better numbers than what we can get access to — and they said he was historically bad on the defensive end of the floor in that series against Indiana. I think that was a little bit troublesome to the Cavs,” Fedor disclosed, providing rare insight into the organization’s internal evaluation.
Pod/analytics washing shitty coaching and cheap Owner.
and what coach do you know that could teach Ty how to play D?
pretty much everyone here was a big fan of Ty and hoped we could keep him, but then we saw him in the playoffs. all pod/analytics did was confirm the eyeball test.
This board puts entirely too much on coaching hate.
It’s not like Ty hasn’t had multiple coaches and the same flaws. Give Kenny love for coaching Jerome, a guy he doesn’t like as much as Sam, way over his head / contract value.
We give Spo love for doing just that with Strus, Vincent, etc. worth noting that Kerr couldn’t get this out of Ty either
the “New Rockers” will be playing in less than three years. It is essential that Dan assemble top talent ASAP to get the organization rolling. the example provided by the “New Browns” shows what happens when an expansion team starts before it is ready.
Getting pleasantly comfortable with the quantity and quality of available vet min guys.
Delon Wright, Gary Trent, and Chris Boucher, welcome to the Land.
(if not, there are many such other cases!)
I’d take Boucher in a heartbeat, but I think he gets more than the min.
Via con Dios, Emoni. Enjoy Europe or Australia.
Luke is back
This is pretty effing cool.
https://apnews.com/article/wnba-expansion-cleveland-detroit-philadelphia-0a3d313baf917010f4d4d5ae0744ec7c
Hell yeah.
wow!
wonder if that is why Dan is selling 15% of the Cavs?
my gut is that he’s raising a bit of cash in case we need to stay in or around the 2nd apron past two years
Cause the Lakers just got valued at $10 billion and Dan wants a billion in cash.
Dan is the last person that needs cash — he owns a giant loan company
Dudes like that always want more
nah, the player salaries are chump change for Dan. The Cavs ain’t like the Guardians or Bengals where the lights might get turned out any minute
Also, this was good.
As for trades/LeBron, remember:
1) 2nd apron teams cannot take back more $$ in a trade than they send out.
2) 2nd apron teams cannot aggregate salaries in a trade.
We’d have to get below the apron to make an LBJ trade. And I *think* the trade would be prohibited if it would take us over the aprin when done, though I am fuzzy on that last bit. I miss the Larry Coon FAQ page.
So, look at the Ball/Okoro deal.
We only sent out 1 guy. We took back less than we sent out.
Oops. On that ladt point, I think I am wrong. I’d assume the 1st apron restrictions would just apply. 110% in trades.
So, post Okeke option declined.
DG, Spida, Strus, Mobley, JA;
Ball, Merrill, Hunter, Wade
CPJ, Proctor, Tyson
Two way: Tomlin
we’re technically worse than last year, depending on how the vet min game plays out. But you have ten you can play, assuming we fill two roster spots with vets who can come in and play (Nance-Boucher-Precious at big, and a decent vet min PG of which there are at least half a dozen) and some fun fliers with Tomlin and Proctor and Tyson.
Yep. Pending FA we are surely worse on paper.
We have swapped Jerome & Okoro for Ball. And let Green, TT, and Okeke walk for Proctor.
We can only sign vet min guys, save for Ty on Early Bird.
ATM, we are (barely) in a $4.75 to $1 tax bracket. Every bracket is $5.5 mil wide (roughly), and adds another $0.50 to the penalty ($5 25/1, then $5.75, etc).
And that is with 12 guys. Assuming 2 vet mins push us intobthe $5.25 bracket, pating Jerome costs Gilbert $81.875 mil in tax.
5 x 5.25 = 26.25
5 x 5.75 = 28.75
4.3 x 6.25 = 26.875
—————–
$14.3 mil = $81.875
Green, TT, and Okeke were not playing anyway, and Proctor might be in the rotation, so that is a win.
Ball vs. IceTy remains TBD. and, Ty might still be back.
depends on Ball’s health:
if he can’t play, we are way worse (no Ty and Ice).
if he is 100% good as new, we are way better (check these defensive highlights: https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2025/06/how-lonzo-balls-defensive-mastery-could-elevate-the-cavs-to-championship-contention-film-breakdown.html )
he will probably be somewhere in the middle, or playing half time. this is probably a win, because 50% Lonzo >> IceTy
Agreed to an extent. But it is 2 for 1.
I don’t think Proctor gives us anything.
Just fyi, I think LeBron will be a Cav by eod tomorrow.
Lakers likely flip garland or get a third team involved.
the Lakers fan sites all expect to get Garland, Allen, Struss + some end of the bench guys + picks.
Lol. Garland is about t as good as you’re going to get for a 42 yo.
if the Cavs were trading 3 for 1, they wouldn’t likely be cutting players today.
Lord, I hope not .
second apron: can’t make such a trade. if they could, I would have to think about it
Is it because we would be aggregating salary?
you can aggregate if you wind up under the 2nd apron post-transaction, it just would take a ton of crazy stuff with other teams involved to take on $52m and subtract the $ needed to get under the second apron while doing so (you’d have to net like a $25m savings I think). it would be an undertaking. I guess you could see hints of that direction today if we were committed but it would be very very hard.
Bron, Mitchell, Mobley, and vet min guys feels very 2012 Nets.
Why LBJ to Cavs?? It kinda makes sense but why you think?
Basietball wise, I think that is nuts.
If LeBron really wants to compete for a chip, he would not have opted in.
Declining TO on Okeke. What was the point?
To take a flier on a 1stcround pick with good traits at a position of need.
yeah, but him not seeing the floor AT ALL was very weird. i guess they didn’t like what they saw on the practice court.
Stein sez Ty to Charlotte or the Grizz, considered a “lock” at or over 14m.
…interesting b/c he doesn’t start with either
It’s very dumb.
Maybe. Charlotte just traded for Sexton so maybe it’s off the table
Ty now more likely to wind up with Jazz
They have like four young PGs
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It seems clear the Merrill deal was responsive to somebody hinting that Ty had an MLE offer in his pocket. But possible that was being used as a stalking horse to get Cleveland up from 12 to 14 or something.
….we’ll see what happens Monday. Dudes on this board have been very vocal about needing to play the bench guys like Tyson, Porter and Tomlin, looks like they will get their wish and we’ll see how right they were
idk that the Merrill deal was responding to anything as opposed to just wanting to get some things firmed up.
yeah, i’m speculating a lot with “it seems clear” — i’m a fan of slight overpays for certainty, have been since Tristan got 4/64.
Dude on this board are crazy if they think not playing Tyson and Tomlin and porter are the reason we lost. Those guys are end of bench guys.
We lost because garland got injured and Jerome shit the the bed.
Given an oppty, Porter and Tyson COULD potentially be solid rotation contributors. Don’t know for sure if the investment is not made. And that investment was not made. Would they fully replace hobbled DG? Of course not. Would the team have been stronger had they played some regular minutes w first unit guys. Likely yes.
same. they should have been getting minutes all year and the Cavs would have had a good chance of winning when DG went down
Cavs probably have a small chance with Ty but only if no one else bids high on him. I suspect he’ll get significantly more than Sam from somewhere.
Love to see Sam get a real payday after all the work he’s put in.
So,
Signed/roster (12/15)
—-Starters: DG, Mitchell, Strus, Mobley, JA
—Backups: Ball, Merrill, Hunter, Wade, ????
–Deep bench: CPJ, Proctor, Tyson, ???, ????
—-Two way (1/3): Tomlin
—-Team option: Okeke
—-Draft/Stash: Niang, Diop
—–FA: Jerome, Green, TT, Travers, Bates
Someone has to help me with the camp guys.
Only Brooklyn has enough cap to offer Ty more than the $14.1 MLE atm. Though Detroit & Memphis can get there. Pistons can only get to $17 and the Grizz have a JJJ deal to attend to.
We can offer $14.3 if we want. Other than tax penalties or flat out not liking the player enough, there is no apron related reason to do so. We are easily a 2nd apron team either way. To wit:
Cavs cap. 2nd apron is $207.8 mil.
Core 4 is $152.2 mil. Spida & Mobes $46.4 each + DG $39.4, JA $20.
Hunter $23.3, Strus $15.9, Merrill $8.5. That $47.7 more. $199.9 total. 7 guys signed. $7.9 mil in room under the 2nd apron.
Ball is $10 mil, Wade $6.6, Tyson $3.5. That is $220 right there. 10 guys signed. +$12.2 mil over. With 5 open roster spots.
This is wrong, the Cavs have to consider future apron considerations because the penalties get much steeper the longer you’re consecutively in the tax. It’s the reason why the Cavs may not want to offer Ty the maximum amount allowable.
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FWIW, I missed the Merrill news. 4 yr/$38 mil. I guess that is ehat led some to be pessimistic about Ty’s return? I get that. But I say go for it. Pedal to the metal. Balls out. Now is the time with Tatum & Hali out. The Core 4 are locked up. Go all in. Locked Merrill up. Bring back Ty. See if Al Horford will sign on a cheap vet deal. PG: DG, Ball, CPJ Combo G: Spida, Jerome, Proctor SG/SF: Strus, Merrill, Tyson Combo F: Hunter, Wade PF/C: Mobley, Horford C: Allen That’s 14. Need another big or… Read more »
Counting on Ball to be available is insane. Either another vet PG or bring back Jerome.
Having shooting also helps. Jerome can shoot.
Didn’t Altman say the Okoro/Ball deal win’t impact the Jerome/Merrill situations?
Or are some of ya’ll not buying it?
Brett Siegel says “Detroit Pistons, Orlando Magic, Houston Rockets, and Sacramento Kings” are the likely landing spots.
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Kaden Shedrick signs for Cavs summer league team. anyone know anything about him?
No, but found this interview.
https://www.highschoolot.com/video/kadin-shedrick-discusses-draft-process-gives-advice-to-recruits-reflects-on-high-school-days/22068562/
don’t know if this is good or bad, but Skip Brainless liked the trade
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I think there is a good chance Ty will be back. For one thing, his very bad second round probably lowered what teams are willing to offer.
Me, too. We can offer $14 mil. That ain’t peanuts.
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Yup, I think you’re right NOMAD… my guess is he’s getting at least MLE, and wouldn’t surprise me if it’s a lot more than that.
We can offer the average salary. Which I read was $13-$14 mil. The non-taxpayer MLS is $14. We can match that.
Now, significantly more? No.
What people aren’t saying: does Jerome want a larger role? On another team, could he be a starter?
he may want it. six years suggests he’s not really that guy for a contending team (and after missing the last year with injury, he only played 20 mpg and wasn’t exactly a track star out there).
it can work for a mediocre team though if that’s what he wants.
right. Ty is not likely to ever be a starter on a good team
Wondering if Jerome’s awful series against the Pacers was the impetus for all of the moves today. If the choice is Jerome or Merrill + Lonzo, then the decision is obvious (barring injuries), right?
would help to know if Jerome’s Pacer’s series was a fluke or if there is some reason why he is going to stink when you get to round two.
Literally two bad games.
nah, i think it’s Ty wanting to get paid and Cavs being hamstrung without bird rights.
We can offer $14. Not hamstrung. But limited.
I think $18-20 is pretty rich for Ty. But one never knows
Pacers made every guard look bad, so doubt it mattered much. Jerome is hard to value because he plays a position where you can find help at the vet min level, he shot out of his mind, but in a contract year, he’s limited athletically, and he only played 20 mpg, and he basically always shared the floor with All Stars who drew good defenders. He could be a system guy, he could be a contract year fluke, or he could be prime Malcolm Brodgon, who I think was a $24m guy. He’s worth 12-18 based on how you weigh… Read more »
if Proctor can actually play that would be amazing
If this is the choice, I don’t agree with it.
I’m 50/50 on this one, just b/c of the relatively high floor for vet min point guards and the relative rarity of good movement shooters. I guess the choice is to live with CPJ and a vet min guy and Lonzo in some combination, which feels workable from a backup standpoint. Merrill is probably a bit harder to replace from a motion shooter standpoint, and it’s clear both Kenny and Donovan LOVE him. He has also improved enough on defense to be workable in any lineup, so if you have him and Wade, there’s opportunities for other ballhandlers to thrive… Read more »
shit, forgot about Proctor. he might be a good bench guy
Man Tyson barely played last year and you think proctor, a much more unpolished product is giving them anything this coming year?
Tyson should have played more last year, he did OK when he was in.
hopefully Kenny learns to expand the rotation.
Porter Jr gave fine regular season minutes two years ago when it was needed. I didn’t say it was likely, that’s what “might” means
Except it’s not. Stretch pay or get insurance buyout for ball and then pay Jerome. A guy who hasnt played more the 30some games over the last four years isn’t giving the Cavs anything.
I get the sense you are committed to this bit
what are you talking about? there is a reasonable chance he will be pretty healthy, especially if you save him until the last couple months. if he is, he will be a game changer.
Merrill gets 4/38.
I think that’s probably a wrap on Ty Jerome then.
Stein Line sez Ty gone Merrill stays.
Welcome to the Land another vet min PG I guess.
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This is also an option.
This is too cynical by half, and not real analysis. The Pels have an awful training staff, the Knicks had an awful one until their luck turned this year, and Minnesota and Boston are hit-or-miss despite obvious state of the art facilities.
standard of care is the standard of care. injuries are luck-based missions for the most part.
Lol. Of course it’s real analysis. It’s just analysis you don’t like. If saving 30 million in salary and taxes by waiving Ball allows Dan to greenlight paying guys who are much more likely to play, then it’s something at least worth considering. I’ve hated Ball’s knee since he was drafted and I give him 25% odds at best to contribute to this team in the playoffs. The danger of too much optimism here by you and the team is that you talk yourself into doing something has very low odds of success. If they pay Merrill and Jerome, I’m… Read more »
The aside about the training staff is the cynical non analysis. Obviously Ball is the definition of an injury risk. My hope is he plays the right 30 games for us.
They’ve mismanaged injuries by Garland, Okoro, Love, Nance, over the last few years to name a few. I can cite the moments if you like. Pointing out mistakes isn’t cynical. It’s honest.
Every team has this complaint. It just isn’t a problem unique to us.
But no fanbase is feeling particularly great about their med staff, and incidents of mismanagement going back seven years? meh.
We aren’t great, aren’t terrible, and if we aren’t out of the norm the pessimism is not really worth the oxygen. Do you tho
how do you know if any of these were “mismanagment”?
He doesn’t
Dude They let Larry Nance play with a broken hand. He broke it worse. They let Kevin Love play on a back to back with a calf strain. He ended up being out the rest of the year. If I can figure out these were stupid decisions, the Cavs training staff should be able to as well.
Ball is an all time example of “a flyer”.
there is a remote chance he gets healthy and is a steal. there is a decent chance he will not be able to contribute at all. most likely will be somewhere in the middle and hopefully they can get some value.
i mean…wasn’t this where we were with Ty last year?
IDK, he certainly has red flags. But also damn good when healthy last. If it were me, I’d keep Jerome as an innings eater for the 82, don’t play Ball heavy minutes. But enough to stay in rhythm AND spell DG/Spida some. We’d have 5-6 plausible PGs: DG, Ball, & CPJ, plus Spida, Jerome & Proctor as combos.
The roster is still too guard heavy with notcenough bigs/long wings. But at peast Ball is a big PG.
Zo playing the Caruso role (taking the wraps off for the playoffs) feels like the right plan.
Yeah I love this for both Zo and Ice, who needs a change of scenery bad
That 15 years or so in the 80s-90s-00s where Dukes reputation for producing pros was suspect seems so odd in retrospect (basically Ferry to Sheldon Williams / Redick)
they didn’t produce real NBA stars is probably the main critique of that era, but they made up for it once they started embracing one and dones.
I’d force Zo to sit out the last 20 games of the season so he can be healthy the rest of the playoffs lol.
I think they’re going to change their entire approach next season, won’t even start seriously playing playoff lineups until after the new year… that’s what Indiana did this past season.
The in-season tournament is going to be an even bigger joke this year.
respect the the NBA inseason tournament presented by State farm please
Prepare for the 2nd season. The lesson of 2016 looms large.
#LetEmKnow
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So we can’t retain Ty?
Insurance for now. Doubt we keen both he and Merrill tho
We can, but we can be outbid to the point where Ty should go from a personal financial perspective. Depends also on what he values for himself, rings, friends with Donovan and DeAndre, etc…
Cav org essentially saying they’d love him to stay at the dinner party, unless he has somewhere else to be. But if he wants to leave, could he please clean up the drink he spilt in the kitchen.
Ball’s 25/26 cap hit is $10 mil. Ice’s is $11 mil. This move saves us money. Money-wise, this should have no impact on Jerome/Merrill
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/chicago-bulls/cap/_/year/2025
Ball is a PG offensively, with size. Something we’ve needed for a LONG time. And who is a good defender. He should be able to play with DG/Spida or Jerome or Merrill. Losing Ice frees up a SG/SF spot. Ball can cover that defensively, and Jerome/Merrill/Proctor/Tyson offensively.
Health is the big gamble, though. He has not played consistently in like 3 years.
I do not hate it, though. I’d like it more if we bring Ty & Merrill back. Ty bounced back that last Pacers game, which is a good sign. It was his first POs. And the first game was awesome. Merrill was good, I thought.
PG: DG, Ball, CPJ
Combo G: Mitchell, Proctor
SG/SF: Strus, Tyson
SF/PF: Hunter, Wade
PF/C: Mobley
C: JA
————
2 way: Tomlin (PF/C)
TO: Okeke (SF/PF)
FA: Jerome (Combo G), Merrill (SG/SF), Green (SG/SF), TT (C), Travers (SF/PF), Bates (SG/SF).
I really don’t understand how Ty ‘bounced back’ in the last game? And enough about his first playoffs excuse. He won an NCAA championship. It’s not the spotlight, it’s the fact that he simply couldn’t keep up with the pace of the Pacers.
He did bounce back. The problem with the Cavs wasn’t Jerome. It was coaching. They should have slowed their pace dramatically and played half court basketball, but the Cavs had won all season doing the opposite and refused to change when they played a team they couldn’t outrun.
Awesome summary, CLF.
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So, signed + Proctor since we are guaranteed a roster spot:
Signed/rostered (11):
DG, Spida, Strus, Mobes, JA
CPJ, Okoro, Hunter, Wade, Tyson, Proctor
————–
2 way: Tomlin
————–
Team Option: Okeke
FA: Jerome, Merrill, Green, TT; Travers, Bates
If Jerome & Merrill are back, two open spots.
PG: DG, CPJ
Combo G: Spida, Proctor (Jerome)
Small wings/SG/SF: Strus, Ice, Tyson (Merrill)
Big wings/Combo F: Hunter, Wade
PF/C: Mobley
C: JA
If we bring back Jerome & Merrill, the last two have to be a,combo forward or a big. 9 guys 6’6″ & under is enough..
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