Link to the Present: Coach Scott fired
2013-04-18Looks like the rumors are now official. No need to say much here, as my take has been discussed a few times in the last week. Time to start seeking a new coach, hopefully one that imparts a defensive identity on the team and gets the young, individual talents to mesh into an unstoppable juggernaut.
Talk about it in the comments.
Well said Cory, well said.
I think at this point Brown is probably a better coach that Scott. At the very least he is an elite coach at something. It’s tough to pin point what Scott’s strong suit is. He might be good at developing guards but some of that could just be because he’s coached three of the best 10 point guards to enter the league in the past twenty years. We never got to see the Princeton offense and his sets were ever bit as much of iso ball as Brown’s were. LA is a mess. It’s not like Phil Jackson would have… Read more »
Ok, so admitting all of that, why would you go from Byron Scott to Mike Brown?
And Mike Brown has never, ever, ever had to coach a basement dwelling team in his career. Ever. He’s been gift-wrapped teams that were already on the rise, or established. Also, his teams has had better player(s) than this one too. Far better.
How about you compare the last five years of Brown and Scott’s resumes? Scott has done nothing of note since 2008. Since then he tied the largest margin of defeat of 58 points and presided over the longest losing streak in league history.
I get that he was working with ingredients from Aldi’s and not Whole Foods but resumes are resumes. Brown, warts and all has never lost a first round series. Both coaches have their faults both reached the Finals during weak periods of the Eastern Conference.
And what has Mike Brown “accomplished” that Byron Scott hasn’t? Someone enlighten me. If you want to stack resumes, guess what? Byron Scott’s is better.
Thanks Whamwiththerighthand, glad I’m not the only one.
Oh, I guess Bynum easily had his best career year under Brown, so score one for him.
I’m ignoring obvious improvements from a couple 20 year old # 4 overall picks, because that is the norm, not the exception, and I’m sure Big Z had more to do with Tristan’s improvement that Byron. Andy’s explosion was nearly unprecedented, and perhaps Byron should get a lot of credit for that, I really don’t know. But byron should be equally blamed for playing him 35 minutes a night. I also know that our hopes hinge on Kyrie more than anyone else right now, and after 2 years Byron wasn’t able to get much out of him that we didn’t… Read more »
Just read this whole thread. Totally in agreement with KyrieSwIrving on the Brown v. Scott argument.
Vesus, Varejao’s improvement offensively came at exactly the same moment the team got a quick new PG. His rebounding rates spiked as the team became severely deficient in other bigs. I hope you’re not attributing much of that to Scott. In regards to Waiters and Thompson, getting 20 and 21 year old players to improve is not a plus, it is a mandatory requirement. Those guys were likely to improve under all but the worst coaches. We’ve rehashed the Brown/Lebron thing enough, so I don’t know why you need to troll that. Everyone knows that Brown wasn’t given the control… Read more »
Let’s also ignore how hard Lebron quit on Mike Brown during that Celtics series. Insignificant detail I’m sure.
@ KyrieSwIrving
Why ignore the obvious improvements from Dion, Tristan and even Andy?
And Mike Brown couldn’t even get Lebron to sniff the post but we are suddenly down with bringing him back just because he can coach defense?
Let’s be honest here about Mike Brown. Which players improved under HIS leadership?
Vesus, the last coaching hire was doomed to be a failure from the moment the decision was announced. It was the situation at the time, an impossible situation Scott walked into. I would say he did admirably, but that just isn’t true. He never complained, and I thank him for that, but record setting losing streaks, record setting blown leads, and near zero improvement from year one to year two from your “Franchise Cornerstone” prevent me from saying he performed admirably. He was expected to flounder and he floundered spectacularly, but he never complained about it. I’ll give him credit… Read more »
“Why does everyone want a defensive minded coach” Because they have been bottom five defensively for three straight years. Fine, it doesn’t have to be a Brown or Thibodeau, where it’s a guy’s almost sole focus. But they need someone who can turn them into a top 10 defensive team within two years, three max, or they aren’t getting anywhere come playoff time. And Mike Brown got a team that put the likes of Snow, Gibson, Hughes, Jones, Pavlovic, Gooden, Marshall, etc around Lebron and got them to a Finals, and over 60 wins twice. He doesn’t “suck” just because… Read more »
Cols, because, I don’t know, all of the recent champions in the past 25 years had above average defenses maybe? I know that seems silly and insignificant to you, but luckily you aren’t running the team. You can have the best shooters and athletes and scorers in the world, but if you give up a layup on every defensive possession it doesn’t much matter how good you are at breaking down an average defense, you’re never going to score more than 2 pts/possession. There is a reason every team wants decent defense. Its a necessity if you want to accomplish… Read more »
Jerry Sloan is 71, How much does he really have left?
@ Cody
Well, at the very least, Frank has experience cleaning up a mess that Byron left behind!
@ Steve
If they hire an established coach that knows what he is doing, there are no worries. There is absolutely nothing in the history of this organization that makes me think that is a realistic possibility.
And I don’t know why anyone else is positive about this, considering how the last coaching hire is now considered a failure here.
@ Ross
Jerry Sloan would be great. Who better to teach the Cavs how to defend the pick-n-roll than the man who perfected it. Also, I wonder if they would talk to Lawrence Frank, now that he’s been let go.
@ $ (aka Bill)
I’d be fine with any of those choices you named except for Skiles.
These names may be more of a stretch but I’m also on board with the FO doing their due diligence on these guys: Both Van Gundy brothers, Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan, Patrick Ewing, and the most prestigious college coaches.
There’s also other “up and coming” type assistants a la Malone, Shaw, and Ewing.
Also Vesus, at least call me out by name. If Lebron wants to come back in 14 I will be ecstatic to have him. I just think the odds of that happening are slim to none and the front office shouldn’t be waiting on pins and needles for that scenario. I also don’t want the Cavs to hire Mike Brown back, but I do think Mike Brown is a much better coach than what Byron Scott gave us the last 3 years and doesn’t have nearly as much baggage with the current roster.
Why does everyone want a defensive minded coach? In what way would doing the same thing that every other team is trying to do work? Why not think just a bit outside the box and just go totally nuts for offense? We already have Dion, Kyrie to run, why not draft Shabazz and just run as much as possible? There are multiple ways to win in the NBA. Do not do what every other team is wanting to do. Also Mike Brown was fired from the Cavs and the Lakers who both had huge superstars on their teams. Maybe he… Read more »
Ross- who do you think they’ll get? Lots of people are saying how easy it is to replace Byron but I don’t see anyone throwing out real names. Outside Mike Brown, these seem to be the top choices: Nate McMillan? Got fired by Trailblazers last year. He’s gotten out of the first round of the playoffs once in his 11 seasons as a coach. Scott Skiles? Got fired by the Bucks this year. His track record is a bit better than McMillan’s- he got out of the first round twice in 13 seasons. Mike Malone? He’s an assistant for Golden… Read more »