Live Thread: Cavs Vs Thunder
2015-01-25Dion Waiters is coming to Cleveland to battle against LeBron James and the Cavaliers today. Except, Dion probably wouldn’t phrase it that way. He would say Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook are going into the King’s house.
Waiters seems to have found a spot on the Thunder. He knows he isn’t better than their two stars. On the Cavs, Dion often stated and showed in subtle ways he thought he was better than Kyrie Irving. He may have been at times, but the way he manifested this attitude was by taking ill-thought shots, sulking, and demanding the ball from everyone to make up for perceived slights.
I’m not sure why Dion has fallen in line. Even in his first game with the Thunder against the Jazz, he did what he was asked to do so well that Scott Brooks praised his defense and tenacity. How often did that happen in Cleveland outside of myself and a few bloggers really wanting a legitimate reason to love Dion so much?
Maybe, Dion needed a star point guard to be older than him. Russell is three years older than him, while Kyrie is one year younger than him. Or, and this is the theory I’m pushing, Saint Weirdo is like a spoiled puppy. Starting his career in Cleveland, he was indulged. No one told him “no” very forcefully when he was acting out, and that let him develop some really bad habits. His housemates in Cleveland were all his. When people came into his team’s place, he showed off. “Look at this bad shot I’m taking with MY ball. I’ll even take it off balance to show more autonomy.”
Now, he’s in a new unfamiliar place and isn’t acting out as much. I’m reminded of when I was just ten years old, and my older sister got a little Sharpei puppy. She was caramel and if you listened to my sister, each one of her wrinkles contained a new way to cause household damage. Yet, whenever my sister visited my mom and me with her puppy, the little dog was never terrible. A quick gaze her way and whatever shoe she wanted to chew was instantly forgotten. Kevin Durant’s gaze is doing that to Waiters.
This change of scenery is working for Dion, and he seems happy. I mean, “Listen, they give [him] the ball. Like, [he touches] the ball. Like, [he] actually, like, you know, [touches] the ball.” [Darnell Mayberry]
And, honestly, I’m not even sure he is touching the ball more. He’s just in a better mental spot not feeling like this team is his and something that he needs to show off for.
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The Cavs are a lot like the Thunder. Andrew Sharp of Grantland tried to make that case during the week, and he had some good points throughout his piece: Both have coaches on the “hot seat,” they have big men that are offensively challenged, have made some questionable trades (James Harden/Andrew Wiggins), have offenses that lack structure, etc…
However, I can’t help but wanting to scream, “The Cavs are just three months old.” The Thunder and Cavs aren’t alike. The Thunder have had these above mentioned issues for years now. They’ve never had an offense. The Cavs can still reasonably say words like “process” without entire flocks of bloggers jumping into a river.
Yeah, the Cavs have problems, but coach wise, the two teams are very different. Sharp says that the pair differ in the sense that Blatt has a complex offense the team doesn’t run and Scott has a non complex offense. No, Scott has a reasonably normal offense, it’s just very poor given that he has two top ten players. It doesn’t utilize them correctly because a seven footer who can dribble shouldn’t be forced to the perimeter in crunch time. The Thunder listen to Scott and run his defense how he wants it to be run. It just stinks.
The Cavs, however, aside from the past four games, have not been executing what Mr. Blatt wants, so they have looked bad without Blatt’s help. I don’t know what Blatt’s offense looks like; although, I’ve seen glimpses of it watching the second unit swing the ball around. It looks pretty smooth. Defensively, Blatt has completely revamped the scheme, and the Cavs have been a top five defense, statistically, the past three games.
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And, finally, the biggest difference between the Thunder and the Cavs is the fact that the Cavs offense is just rounding into “top offense without running plays” status. The Thunder are statistically there. Both of these teams thrive in transition. They’re full of smart, agile guys, that can instinctively do damage on the break.
For the whole season, the Thunder are ranked 13th in fast break points, and the Cavs are ranked 17th. During the past three games though, the Cavs are fourth in transition points and the Thunder are seventh. The Thunder were sixth last season, so this says that their offense is pretty much reaching where it was last year. The Cavs are just rounding into what they might be, and while some may say that talent-wise the Thunder are better than Cleveland, I’d like to think that Cleveland can make up for that through coaching. The coaching just has to be accepted by the team. I don’t think Blatt has called for any of the Le-Iso plays so far this season.
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I’m picking the Cavs to win today, 109-101. Dion will take two ill-advised mid-range jumpers, but he will play insane defense on Kyrie Irving trying to shut him down. I expect Kyrie to do the same to Dion.
MOZ with the TIP and JR SWISH BARELY MOVING THE NET!
Great tip by MOZ!!! JR for 3!!!
Yeah. JR’s gotta get going.
With moz and jr additions we can now go just as lanky and long as the thunder. That made a huge difference in the 2nd
And don’t forget Shump! He’s got crazy length
Who wins the scoring title this game? LBJ or Durant?
Stole this from twitter, but despite the fact that Kevin Love had 8 boards in the first quarter, the Cavs ought to consider shutting him down for a couple weeks, a la LeBron.
His back really that bad?
If they do it, they should do it before they go play in Minny so he doesn’t get booed (or blown of the court by Wig)
Good idea. Let him miss a few road trips and get therapy for his back.
Does anybody know how the crowd reacted to Dion’s intro?
Don’t know.. they seem neutral about him after his 3 pointer. Good point earlier about Delly, matchup isn’t good for him this game, Jackson, Dion, Westbrook all super athletic.
Aside from one foul, Delly defended Westbrook pretty well…
Gotcha Nate, it seemed like Blatt didn’t let him play enough perhaps? Would like to see him and Irving at the 2 for offensive purposes.
But Delly had the only “-” on the team after the first half. All other second teamers were among the team’s highest in +/-
Jalen excited at halftime since they’re playing “The Humpty Dance” Just awesome…
Great point by Doug Collins, playing good defense on Westbrook and KD… 25 points on 27 shots.
Agree, although they’ve both missed some wide open Js and bunnies at the rim… But LBJ and Kyrie have as well so they’re even
Guys, anyone who thought that was a “good” pick by Perkins, go back and watch it again… He was not only MOVING but actually LEANED INTO JR
Agreed, but I am just liking the hard stuff… We got screwed for sure. Actually, we got screwed twice the first half. I am keeping score on that.
The defense really picked up in that second quarter. That lineup that Blatt went with really helped take away some open looks for OKC
Agreed…. I saw TT, Moz, Matrix, Shumpert, and Lebron, turned the tide early 2nd quarter.
Nice pick by Perkins… Lol… Loving this game.
LeBron going against two or three or five defenders every time, and still scored 22 points in the first.
This game is living up to the hype!!! 8 point lead is really nice!
Haywood needs to come in for one minute and deliver the pain on Perkins.
Cavs up by 8 at the half.
Yeah, that’s a good screen. Blatt should have been screaming “Screen!” there.
Couldn’t tell if Perkins was moving…. agreed, someone has to let JR know.
I don’t agree… Perkins was moving on that screen… not set. Should have been a moving screeen call…
Held OKC under 50 for the half. That’s a pretty good outcome!
Good second quarter for the Cavs!
Mike Miller letting TT know he has to call that screen for JR.
Well yeah, but the bench and Blatt should have been screaming that too.
Don’t understand why LeBron doesn’t ever slip that screen when he he sets it and gets himself an easy layup. He settles into that post position every time.
I hate Perkins!
Nice defense by JR… should’ve been offensive foul. JR made KD waste time there.
WOW! That was a pretty big throwdown from Durantula
Why is Smith guarding Durant? Need Lebron or SHUMP. That’s why we got him.
That shoulda been a foul on Perkins for that moving screen
JR SWISHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Close it out well Cavs! I want a halftime lead.
LBJ post up leads to easy JR 3!!!
Hard to knock Kyrie when he pulls a drive like that though…
There were a lot of good things about that possession… unfortunately one of them wasn’t scoring…
HAHAHAHAHA… well said EvilGenius!
Dammit… JR first bad shot, had a chance that sequence to get an easy shot.
If he made it we’d be freaking out.
Irrrrrrrving!
UGH. Set up a play for Love, already.
I wish they’d run some sets for Moz down low. He hasn’t scored yet
Or him.
Cavs really caught a break that Adams was out tonight. Perkins is not nearly as effective a defender anymore.
LBJ now going back to the ISO exclusively…
At least he’s not chucking up a deep 2… he’s driving the lane.
A little guy guarding him. He should take every shot as long as that continues. Robertson?
TT now with 10 boards… playing a great game
Argh. Kyrie’s heat check was with terrible floor balance. Easy bucket for the Thunder. Feel like Kyrie’s playing hard but not smart.
Yeah… just started getting going along with JR, then took it too far.
He’s still not looking for other guys enough. It’s just that his shots and drives are falling with more regularity this quarter…
JR shoulda fouled Durant on that transition
You’re right… shouldn’t give them the easy basket.
Aww. Durant’s been sleepwalking so far. Don’t wake him.
Dammit Irving…. bad shot leading to easy offense for KD
That’s how the heat check can burn you…
It’s a chucking party!
Kyrie got it GOING now! PRETTY MOVE!
Kyrie with the excellent D on Dion and TT with a one armed snag then KYRIEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Saw that TT rebound… he’s bringing it!
Irving! Chugga chugga woo! woo!
JR FREAKING SWISHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
YES SIR!!! JR and IRVING!!!! DEEP IN THE Q!!!
Mark Jackson doesn’t like big words.
Durant is so long, on that finger roll he just reaches out and drops the ball into the rim.
I know. He and Anthony Davis are crazy
Delly not a good matchup on Westbrook. Gotta leave SHUMP in there.
WHOA@! What a rebound, T.T!
Delly out after the timeout.
Delly: great contributor, but doesn’t match up well at times.
Nice post up on KD with K LOVE! Need more!
KLOVE with the HOOK!
Jesus, Kevin Love with a -4 point play there.
Request: Please don’t take the Lord’s name in vain.
Dion Waiters… Geez
Kyrie’s acceleration is just one the most amazing things to watch in the nba
Wait, he’s not athletic enough to accelerate.
I don’t understand why Delly is in with Kyrie? Shoudn’t it be JR or Shumpert for better defense?
Westbrook 2-8.
Durant 2-10.
Team 32%
Kyrie 0-4
Lebron 5-13
Team 33%
First one to get hot wins!
. . . or the first one to stop defending loses.
I did feel like this would be a more defensive game than expected
TT is the MVP of this game.
TT with another nice save and then an AWESOME garbageman clean up of Kyrie’s drive!
Exactly!!! Defense has been better, leading to better offensive activity!
Cavs a bear on the offensive boards right now.
Correction…TT a bear on the offensive boards right now…
Yeah, but Mozzy got his hand on one of those, and he’s so big, he keeps guys off Tristan to allow him to get those boards.
That’s true. Correction retracted
LeBron has to settle into better shooting position before he catches that three attempt.
Every six iso he does, he goes to the post once.
TT not blocked on that one because Ibaka has two fouls.
Keep it inside.
Nice work on the boards, TT!
YES! TT fighting hard!
TT again with a defensive rebound, then offensive rebound put back!
Hating LeIso right now, but no one on the Thunder can guard him, so keep it rolling.
Anytime he plays against another “MVP” he does this
I’m hoping for Kyrie and JR to start raining three bombs in the second half of this quarter…
Definitely need to get both of them going.
I got tickets to the Portland game. $46.
I only did that because Cavs win when CtBers are at the game . . . and I want the Cavs to keep it going.
I’d wear a CtB t-shirt if I could get one.
Nice! You’ll be able to see LaMarcus with his splint
Mozgov battling inside. So good to have a big man!
Mozgov MONSTER on that offensive rebound
Easy drive for LBJ… then baited Waiters into bad 3. Mozgov working hard for the offensive rebound, definitely more energy here early in the 2nd
Chugga chugga, chugga chugga, wooo! wooo!
EXACTLY U-dog…. HAHAHAH!
Saint Weirdo should KNOW BETTER than to take those corner threes
Thank you Dion!
LJ getting in a groove.
And the tide is turning.
SHUMP FOR THREEEEE!
Then LBJ for an and one!!!
Two fouls on Ibaka now…
Shump for three!!!!