Matchup Musings
2016-05-30With no Cavs game tonight, and the Western Conference Finals going back to Oakland for Game Seven, now seemed like a good time to look at the Cavaliers and how they match up with both of their potential opponents in the NBA Finals. There’s no doubt that the NBA Finals are going to be an absolute war regardless of whom the Cavaliers face, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t match up better against one of the Thunder or the Warriors than the other, regardless of who they may want to face.
It goes without saying, but the Thunder really blew it Saturday night. They led for the majority of the game, and were fending off Golden State’s runs with just enough of a burst of their own to keep the Warriors from taking control until the closing minutes of the game. Then the wheels completely came off. The Thunder didn’t score in the last 2:25 of the game, while the Warriors had nine points in the last 2:06 to take the game. OKC’s combination of terrible offense, bad defense, and constant turnovers was both amazing and awful to watch, and they’ve likely thrown away their best chance to win the series. Yes, there’s still game seven, but at this point it would be amazing to see the Thunder regroup from that loss and beat the Warriors in the Oracle Arena two days later. A Warriors-Cavaliers rematch in the Finals looks inevitable at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk-v5fQ4KEw
That’s a shame for the Cavs. While they are playing well enough to compete with, and beat either team, the Thunder seems like a better matchup for the Cavaliers in terms of both strengths and weaknesses. That’s amazing when you consider the greatness of Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook, but there’s a lot of evidence that it’s true.
Kevin Durant is an amazing player. His combination of length and shooting ability is unmatched in the league, and he’s improved as a two-way player every year of his career. He’s also 4-17 against LeBron James in his career in the regular season and playoffs combined. When they guard one another, LeBron’s superior strength gives Durant real problems on both ends of the floor, while Durant’s length is less of an advantage against James than almost every other wing in the league. Everyone talks about LeBron and Kobe, but Durant is the more natural rival in terms of both age and position, and the fact of the matter is LeBron owns Durant.
Much has been made lately about how the Cavaliers would guard Russell Westbrook. Would Kyrie Irving start on him? Would J.R. Smith? Would Iman Shumpert or Matthew Dellavedova try to check Westbrook? All of those things would likely happen, but the biggest thing teams do when they guard Westbrook—or Durant, or LeBron, or Stephen Curry—is pray. No one is stopping Russell Westbrook, but Russell Westbrook. The best thing for the Cavs would be for Westbrook to get too three-happy and shoot the Thunder out of the game. There’s a far better chance this happens with Westbrook than it does with Curry, and Curry is just as likely as Westbrook to torch the Cavaliers’ guards, if not more so. There’s also the fact that Curry might be a better overall defender than Westbrook, as Westbrook’s constant gambling often has a negative impact to his team’s defense. Curry doesn’t have the defensive upside of Westbrook, but he tends to play smarter overall defense.
Another pro of playing the Thunder is that the Cavaliers could hide Kyrie on Andre Roberson or Dion Waiters while Smith, Shumpert, and Dellavedova take turns on Westbrook. Both Roberson and Waiters have played extremely well in this playoff run, but the Cavs will be content to let them shoot away, especially if it means fewer attempts for Durant and Westbrook. Waiters has begun to eliminate some of those off-balance long two-point attempts from his game, but it’s not hard to see him getting a bit trigger-happy if he’s being guarded by Irving on the biggest state of all. If he does, the Cavs will love it. On the other end of the floor, Westbrook hasn’t shown the consistent focus to stay with an off-ball threat like Smith, has been torched by Irving throughout Kyrie’s career, and simply ignores Dellavedova from deep, despite the latter being a career 39.8% shooter from beyond the arc. So while Westbrook would undoubtedly torch the Cavaliers at times, they are in a good position to get much of that back on the offensive end.
Meanwhile, Irving doesn’t really have a place to hide if the Cavaliers face the Warriors. The alternative to guarding Curry would likely be to put him on Harrison Barnes. While Barnes is likely to soon become one of the most overpaid players in the league, he’s still five inches taller and thirty-some pounds heavier than Irving, and has a better post game and outside shot than Roberson or Waiters. Barnes would be able to either shoot over Irving on the perimeter, or muscle his way to the basket against him with relative ease.
It gets worse when the Warriors go small. In that case, Kevin Love would likely have to guard Barnes with Andrew Bogut on the bench, and Irving would defend probably defend Andre Iguodala, another player who is much bigger and stronger than Irving. Iguodala isn’t the shooter that Curry or Barnes are, but he’s a tremendous playmaker, who still can get to the rim in the right matchups. Even if having to choose between Curry or Westbrook is a no-win situation, the Cavs would prefer Irving guarding Waiters or Roberson, than Barnes or Iguodala.
The frontcourt battles against the Thunder seem to be better matchups for the Cavaliers as well. Enes Kanter is a gifted scorer, and may be one of the few players in the league who is a better offensive rebounder than Tristan Thompson. He’s also a poor defender, who would likely give back on defense nearly everything he earns on offense, and probably more if he’s guarding Kevin Love. Steven Adams and Serge Ibaka are better rim protectors than anyone on the Cavaliers, and they will also be tough covers for Thompson, Love, and Channing Frye due to their superior size. The Thunder are also one of the best rebounding teams of the last 20 years, and one of the few teams that may have the advantage on the glass against the Cavaliers That being said, what happens when Tyronn Lue goes with the Frye-Love frontcourt? How can Ibaka and Adams protect the rim and chase those two around on the perimeter? Can Billy Donovan even play Kanter and Adams together against the Cavs? While it’s a tough matchup for the Cavaliers’ big men, it’s certainly one they can win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-P_8TQIyhY
The Warriors are a much rougher matchup if only because of Draymond Green. Love simply cannot guard Green’s combination of strength, speed, and playmaking, while Green is the kind of smart and strong defender who can minimize Love’s impact, if not take him out of the game entirely. Thompson has as good of a chance on Green as nearly any big man defender in the league, and he and Love are better rebounders than anyone on the Warriors. The Cavaliers’ superiority on the boards was critical as they battled the Warriors in the Finals last season. However, Thompson is a complete non-shooter and good teams will sag off him until he gets the ball right at the basket. With Green’s mobility and Andrew Bogut as their last line of defense, the Warriors are as well-prepared to do that as anyone. Frye is a tough cover for any Warrior big outside of Green, but he could also be exploited on the defensive end and on the glass. The debate for the Cavaliers will be whether they go more with Thompson’s superior rebounding and his ability to at least try to guard Green, or Frye’s outside shooting if they think that the Warriors will struggle with guarding both him and Love. How does the Irving-Smith-James-Love-Frye lineup match up with the Warriors’ Curry-Thompson-Iguodala-Barnes-Green Death Lineup? Given the latter lineup’s ability to move the ball and constantly switch on defense, probably not as well as Cleveland fans hope.
The most interesting matchup could be the Death Lineup against the Cavalier’s second unit of LeBron alongside Dellavedova, Shumpert, Richard Jefferson, and Frye. Dellavedova has done a respectable job guarding Curry, considering the standard, while Shumpert was tremendous guarding Thompson in last year’s Finals. Jefferson is strong enough to match up with Barnes, and despite winning last year’s Finals MVP, Iguodala can’t really stop James. This leaves Green on Frye. Frye would struggle with guarding Green, but would also pull him away from the basket on defense. Of course these lineups would likely feature lots of switching as the Warriors would try to get Green on Jefferson and leave Frye to Barnes, which the Cavaliers might also be happy with as Jefferson has been more successful guarding bigger players versus quicker ones. Just thinking about all of the ways these two lineups could try to exploit one another makes my head hurt…
Regardless of what happens Monday night in Oakland, the Cleveland Cavaliers are in the NBA Finals for the second year in a row and just the third time in the franchise’s forty-six year history. This time though, they’re ready to truly give it their best shot to end Cleveland’s 52-year playoff drought. After a regular season that was definitely more tumultuous than anyone could have expected, the Cavaliers are healthy and playing their best basketball since LeBron James returned two years ago. While the Thunder seem like the better matchup, it’s been no secret that the Cavs want the Warriors with both teams fully healthy. It’s understandable if that makes Cavalier fans nervous, or even scared about what could happen next, but this team has done everything they could to make us believe in them. They are as ready as we could hope for them to be, and if there’s one thing this postseason has taught us, it’s that all the predictions in the world don’t really matter. You have to play the game. Right now, the Cleveland Cavaliers are playing the game as well as anyone.
I know people will think I’m a ‘hater’ or whatever, but Warriors over the Cavs in 5….I wouldn’t be too surprised if they sweep. But I think the Cavs get one. I’d love to be wrong, but I really don’t think I will be. It is a terrible matchup for the Cavs.
You are WAY too pessimistic.
Really? LeBron single handedly took them to 6 last year lol. They are good but the Cavs should at least win 2.
Except last year has no bearing on the current matchup. GSW alis significantly better and Cavs are no longer that gritty defensive oriented team from last year’s finals.
What the hell, KD, a NBA MVP getting fouled, falling down and not even a whistle wow… told my coworkers OKC wouldn’t get any calls in this game
Totally agree with you guys, GSW warriors celebrate on every shot, don’t remember Cavs doing that wven when they made 25 3’s
Curry even celebrating on a shot Klay missed…
KD and RUSS aren’t getting any fouls called wow
This is a pre taste of what’s to come for the Cavs…I already hate life
lol, I know right, we going really need shump, JR, Kyrie to protect the 3 point line cause even with KD/Adams/Ibaka in their faces they still hitting..
I think we will do better than 9/47 from deep. The three ball killed OKC
these 3’s are killing OKC
Even Donkey hitting now
Dumb play by Westbrook….cannot afford dumb plays
Just checked the box score…Curry only has 28….feels like 70…
making ridiculous 3’s will do that
Wow. What a game. Like the finale at a fireworks display.
Time for the Death Lineup
Again trap Steph and let the others beat you.
KD finally hit a shot
Guess Curry isn’t secretly super injured as Bill Simmons posited, huh?
no fouls wow , KD drives and nothing, thunder get knocked out on a screen, nothing
Stop slapping your chest after every shot, Curry…
I don’t know why the thunder is not doubling him. He is on fire. If I was Donovan I would do that a couple of possessions and see what happens.
and its like OKC cant hit free throws all of a sudden
Ibaka with a chance to bring this down to 6, it’s not over yet
Looking forward I believe the Cavs have enough scoring (if our guys shoot the way they should) to compete against the Warriors but I’m not sure the Cavs can defend the Warriors the same way the thunder does.
I guess we will see beginning Thursday.
Let’s go Cavs!
OKC , missed last 14 3 point attempts, that’s the story of the game.. Right now, how the second half has been going, when OKC scores, I’m shocked
When you look at their roster they don’t have a lot of 3 point shooters besides KD.
They make just 2 or3 the game is tied.
Anyone else noticed waiters playing really good post defense?
Been doing it all postseason
I cannot effing wait to close then out in Cleveland in game 6…oh man I want that so badly.
Dion with his patented off balance step back 2 pointer
A Saint Weirdo special!
All right Durant, time to take this one home!
Kerr: “We made a coupla threes”….yeah, Steve, ya think??
these past 2 games shows the importance of hitting 3’s. Hope we can keep up with them or just keep each of the splash bros from hitting 5 each a game, and we are okay
Curry shoots an almost half court shot to end the quarter and the fans act surprised cause it didn’t go in… I hate their stupid fans too.
It’s going to be important to win one at Oracle, Warriors are going feel unbeatable, like destinies child. Gotta take em down a notch or 2.
Cavs might…..might….be able to win one at Oracle….but I’m sure the Warriors will win at least one at the Q
I think the Cavs protect home court. They are better now than any team in Cavs history. Way better than the embarrassment that was the regular season.
The thunder missed their only chance when they lost game six.
Basically…they had that one.
Yeah I out most of the blame on Donovan for not reeling in the team when they started to self implode.
Thunder gonna need to get some stops and score 3-5 points to end this quarter…cant leave this balloon
If OKC had Ray Allen, they would have swept this series…./Cols
And he would want KD and Russ to go more iso. I can’t believe OKC is now 6/41 on threes the last 7 quarters.
It’s too bad we’re gonna ruin Andy’s title hopes
I wouldn’t say that’s so bad
even Varajao schooling the Thunder, what a thing
Some quintessential Wild Thing plays these last few possessions….
Seems like OKC hasn’t scored in a half hour….I said that in game 6, too
Andy doing what he does best.
27-10 outscoring them in this quarter, then westbrook tries to drive and get calls for OF
Verejao getting the flop….lol
OKC 6-39 in threes the last 7 quarters.
Its about that time to just mute this game and stop hearing Reggie and the crowd
I have had the game muted the entire time !
Only an exceptional 4th quarter would save the Thunder.
But KD and Rusell got foul and the refs are totally ignoring it.
Westbrook is 5-17, he need to step up, Durant/Ibaka going need to hit some outside looks to keep the crowd out of it and keep the defense honest
Thunder need to keep their composure and make sure they don’t lose this game by the end of the quarter
I’m seeing a team that has already given up. Hoping I’m wrong.
I think the game is over.
Capitulation, to extend your soccer comparison.
OKC need to score and get easy looks
I have been watching the NBA since the mid ’70s….I remember the Jordan Bulls well….both in the ’80s and ’90s….I don’t remember them being anywhere near as unlikable as this GS team. I don’t remember any team ever who was even close to as unlikable.
The Heatles
They are the only competition, even they weren’t in the same class…
I hate them all.. Even Varejao who’s all happy like he belongs there…
I have never seen a team constantly celebrate on the court during a game….it’s crazy
I’d like to see the Cavs face the Spurs in the Finals.
I’d be cool with them playing the Nuggets
Thunder with a complete defensive breakdown and then Ibaka stupidly fouls Livingston
Just about to call this one game….blouses
Ibaka not giving them anything tonight
How is Adams getting stuck in “no man’s land” with Curry??? How can you possibly be so stupid to not fight to rotate back?
I hate the Warriors and their “we didn’t get foul call” smugness…. I fucking hate them.
KD got foul but…….
Maybe Donovan should consider trapping Curry and trust his defense to make the right rotation.
But I bet the Warriors will continue to let Curry go at Adams.
Somebody on OKC needs to hit 3’s if they are gong to win this game, last time they were 3-22 or so at 1point, now they are 3-15 while GSW are 12-24
Durant is not someone who should be driving into traffic…especially against GS…so many TOs on those drives
Back to back 3s Curry has burned Adams on a left to right crossover
For the love of god, keep Adams off the Curry switch….for the love of god
It’s just 3 easy points for Curry every time Adams is on him
Curry and Thompson are just 2 unbelievable shooters. The thunder have done a great defensive job on them but it’s beginning to look like game 6 again. The Warriors are scoring easily and the thunder are really struggling to score.
OKC cannot hit a three. Killing them
They need another shooter this offseason.. They’re only playing 7 in their rotation
So Morrow is unplayable…? I don’t understand
This is just nonsense.
Roberson can really defend Klay, as well as anyone
Again the Thunder look like a better team, as they’ve done for most of this series. I hate this arrogant Warriors squad, so I want to see them lose. But when the Cavs are getting the same looks the Thunder were getting and are actually hitting their 3s, it’s going to be trouble for GS
It was a nice half for the thunder but will they be able to sustain it for the full 48 and will KD show up in the 4th quarter?
If it’s just RW and KD in the second half, GS will smother them. The Thunder role players have to be involved, and they need to make shots when they have good looks. Thunder really could be up by 12 or 15 if guys were making those bunny shots and put backs…
So far looks like they are trusting their teammates… when things get tight, we’ll see what happens
AGREE WITH YOUR STAEMENT KEVIN ABOUT DION NOT FITTING IN ( NOT QUITE SURE WHAT TEAM HE DOES FIT IN WITH–MAYBE THE 76ER’S )—SCARY THING AGAINST GOLDEN STATE NO LEAD IS SAFE THEY JUST KEEP COMING AND HAVE THE FIREPOWER ( AND CONFIDENCE ) TO COME BACK—-AM WILLING TO BET IN CLUTCH TIME —-OKC / WESTBROOK / DURANT WILL RESORT TO ” HERO BALL ‘
Curry is the Cristiano Ronaldo of the NBA, for those of you following soccer. Completely dominates bad teams inflating his numbers, leading to a laughable comparison with the true and obvious great of their sport in Lebron and Messi, accordingly, and they both totally shrink in big moments AND take the credit afterwards.
Lol…yeah. Curry has played just terribly in clutch moments. Have you watched him…ever?
Yeah, I watched him in last years finals. I don’t count regular season crunch time, that’s fake crunch time.
Durant only 5 shots in the first half… pacing himself for a big second half
I hope you are right.
Good game so far. I’m still hoping to see okc at the finals, Thunder Up!
Very entertaining end to the half
I guess count your blessings that Curry didn’t get an and 1 with that