Finals Live Thread: Cavs @ Warriors, Game 2 (#doingwhatyoudo)
2017-06-04The Warriors had 56 points in the paint in game one. They had 21 points off of turnovers. They had 18 second chance points.i
Each of those numbers needs to come down in game two. No matter what the Cavs do, they must work on controlling the ball after misses, defending the paint, and protecting the ball. There’s lots of reasons they have to do those things. For one, they help win basketball games. But really, it’s because those are the things the Cavs can be better than the Warriors at.
The Warriors are known for whipping the ball around, hitting 3s, and running. The Cavs are known for hitting 3s too, but only after a hard drive and kick, or on ball screen. In a lot of ways, when these teams are both at their best, they are doing their damage from deep. Often times, it’s impossible to stop them from raining 3s, no matter the defensive scheme is. There’s a reason the Cavs are number one in 3-point percentage this post season and the Warriors are number four.
In game one the Cavs, allowed the Warriors to hit just 12 3s. That was solid, but it came at the expensive of the above mentioned areas. Areas the Cavs can win at.
The Wine and Gold need to not worry about stopping the inevitable 3s that will come by sacrificing rebounding to get out to shooters, or running to shooters and giving up dunks on fast breaks. The Warriors will hit their long ball one game. The Cavs will too.
Cleveland can protect the rim against the Warriors. The Warriors aren’t looking to kill you with drives. The want to get back cuts, get out in transition , and hit 3s. Cleveland doesn’t have to worry about some over the top jumping dunk dude. There’s no guy one the Warriors whose number skill is getting into the paint necessarily. Why let them dominate down low? The Cavs can own the paint. Kyrie Irving can get to the rack. Tristan Thompson can roll hard. LeBron James can post up, use his shoulder on drives, or roll to the rim.
Cleveland is also definitively the better rebounding team. Kevin Love had 21 by himself in game one. Tristan Thompson is usually able to snag five or six offensive boards a night, and LeBron James can grab how ever many boards he decides too. The Cavs out rebounded the Warriors by nine in game one and that’s including the 15 offensive boards they gifted Golden State. Cleveland has out boarded teams by four per night in the playoffs. The Warriors just 1.8 per night in the playoffs.
The Cavs are also much better at protecting the ball. Statistically both teams play semi-loose given their turnovers per game this season, but the Warriors will play very lose and fast the more comfortable they get in a game. They also pass the ball much more than Cleveland.
Cleveland throws one or two passes before they shoot the ball. There’s not as much that can go wrong. They can focus more on each action offensively because they aren’t doing as much as Golden State. And, they must do that. Their transition defense is awful, so why not stop transition ball from happening as often by not turning it over?
If you still don’t believe that the turovers, points in the paint, and rebounds are really what matters for Cleveland, let’s look at the simple math. The Warriors took 106 shots on Thursday. The Cavs took just 86. If both teams take the same number of 3s, and hit the same percentage from the floor, who is going to win the game? The Cavs need the math to be in their favor, no matter how their offense is doing.
I’m picking the Cavs to clean up their act tonight. They’ve got this game, 113-101.
LeBron playing like a man possessed.
Love has really been fantastic this game.
Yes he has
Absolutely flagrant foul on LBJ.
Bron has stopped looking for his three…
They’re not backing off.
GS starting to get frustrated that the Cavs aren’t going away.
Not knowing it was warriors ball is the type of mistake that loses close games. Momentum killer.
Dubs way more sloppy this game…
Mark Jackson is even getting tired of pointing out, “Lotta contact as LeBron drives to the basket.”
Why was a Shump three the play coming out of a timeout?
Probably option E or F.
We are winning pts in the paint 26-18
Well, that’s just embarrassing.
Holy shit why can they grab arms and slap our faces and we can’t even look at them?!
Every time we get close we do something stupid. TO from James & then he & Kyrie lazily stand as Klay dunks. Pathetic.
Cavs have been very aggressive going to the hoop. Getting zero calls. Warriors throwing up some awful shots.
get close than dumb TO and then stand around….come on Cavs…get with it!!!
Shump has to take a foul there. Grr
The CAVS seem like they are playing in slow motion compared to the Warriors. The CAVS don’t get to the ball fast enough, and they don’t find a man to defend fast enough. Everything the Warriors do is fast.
Warrior TOs would be keeping Cavs right in this, if Cav TOs weren’t gifting Warriors right back…
If Cavs win this game… do Dubs bring Mike Brown back for Game 3?
That Durant blk on LBJ would have been a layup against Barnes.
That was a great pick and roll with Bron and Ky…
Durant went through Bron’s head for that block.
Durant and Curry both have 2 fouls. Go at ’em. Green already on the bench with 3.
And now Green back in the game with 3…
A Love alley oop. Haven’t seen that before in Cle
Jesus. Bust his wind pipe there kev, if he’s gonna flop like that.
Their luck is unending!
Last year in Game 2… Kyrie went 5-14 (0-3 from deep) for 10 points with 1 assist…
Kd can go eat a male appendage
What I’d really like to see is five minutes of stellar Cavs D. Shut em down for a stretch and claw bak into this.
Alley oop to LOVE!
Ky looking horrible, wtf.
Well, we are hanging in there. Their TOs are helping. Love shooting better. Green with 3 fouls. Lets close in on them the rest of the quarter. Take the lead into halftime.
At least there haven’t been constant wide open dunks for KD…
If Kryie was contributing anything, this game is tied or better. He can’t play this bad the whole game
DUBS PLAYING ” REVENGE INSPIRED ” BALL RIGHT NOW AND WE ARE ALLOWING THEM TO DO SO —–NEED TO GET MORE FIGHT IN US !!!
kyrie is having a rough night tonight…not good….hes gotta snap out of it
Guess the Warrior first half point total…I have 67…
68
At a certain point I like shumps aggressive ness
We need someone besides the big three to keep the defense honest. Wouldn’t be surprised if Dhante gets five mins with the first team as well. We need them to have to defend 5 spots
That contested 20 footer over Durant went in, but I doubt it would more than 20% of the time.
Lol. Shump with a nonono… OK, drive.
Nice closeout by Korver!
Kyrie is garbage.
Well… he’s playing like garbage anyway…
Really makes me vomit when Ian freaking Clark makes threes…
Shump with a miracle j
That bounced more times than Avery Bradley’s…
I think I heard a Hubie Brown “There ya go!”
Frye was garbage.
We can’t defend this team without LBJ in the lineup. We have too many slow old guys. He is about our only positive defender.
https://twitter.com/kpelton/status/871529672655294465
Cavs bench has got to freaking finish better that was an awfully lazy finish by Frye. Time to make Kerr leak spinal fluid with a “bad pass.”
Easy there… ;)
I’m in scored earth mode.
I hate how Lue changes the rotations. Kyrie plus the 2nd unit stinks. All that shooting is wasted cause Uncle Drew can’t pass.
why is shump dribbling an driving without movin the ball.. SMDH
Everyone not named LeBron and Kevin or RJ is killing us right now
Cavs so intimidated right now….cant even run an offense or pass the ball….can Lue fire them up or any assistant coach….making it look easy for Warriors
This is some turrible offense…
Klay is exacting defensive retribution on Kyrie. Jesus. This really is revenge fueled.
I just don’t think it’s smart to not have Bron out there when KD is in…
God, Irving even missing free throws. He basically is going to have to play curry even, or really outplay him if we are going to win a game this series.
Instead, he’s been terrible…so far…agree that the Cavs won’t win a game if Irving stinks all series…
Kyrie not playing well at all.
This turnover rate is going to get them beat…
Kyrie is just off man…
Way off. Three to’s and can’t finish at the rim
The handles, and the finishing, and the passing, and the shot. And we need it all. NOW.
Cavs are playing em toe-to-toe, but it’s not showing on the scoreboard because of all the freebies for GSW
Warriors have 8 to’s so far, but its our fouls that is killing us
THE DISPARITY OF FREE THROWS BETEEN LEBRON AND THE “GOLDEN CHILD ” IS A HUGE JOKE —-TY HAS TO VOICE HIS DISPLEASURE !!!
I wish he spoke up more. He has to stand up for his team.
What do you want him to do?
Get a tech.
See Nate’s comment.
Dubs a lot sloppier tonight. Still put up 40 due to our stupid fouling. I feel like we have a shot.
40 points ain’t gonna get it done. Still, like what I’ve seen so far.
That KD three at the shot clock buzzer was just unfair…
Unreal that curry has 10 free throws and LeBron is living at the rim. And no calls.
The power of LeBron…
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/871526161943109632
Better tonight. Still a lot of stupid plays & fouls. Kyrie needs to show up.
Cavs just need to be a tad more disiplined. Curry’s 8 bs free throws are the issue right now. It’s also hard to do good when the turnovers just shut you down.
gave Curry 10 free points and JR doing next to nothing but Lue will never play Derrick Williams or even Dahntay Jones….so again we make the same mistakes and hope Warriors eff up enough…Warriors have more turnovers so far than last game yet have dropped 40 points….yeesh!!