From Distance: Injured Dubs and Raptors’ D
2019-06-07four point play….
1. I’m sure many Cavs fans are slightly annoyed that the Warriors picked this year get the injury bug. After a run of exceedingly good health, nonsense about Curry’s 2016 faux injury withstanding, the Warriors find themselves down two games to one with only the faint hope of a rusty Kevin Durant and a hobbled Klay Thompson to save them.
The 2015 Cavs probably played my favorite team style with Delly, Bron, and Blatt leading the smashmouth attack. The Dubs play physical ball, but they have always been vulnerable to size and strength. Over the years, they have had trouble with Proto Grit and Grind, Thunder muck ball, and, well, P.J. Tucker.
The Cavs won in 2016 because they consistently forced Curry to guard on defense. The physicality required to continually switch and fight through screens set by larger guys off ball, and the resulting challenge of having to check LeBron or Kyrie onball, left Steph Curry’s legs a puddle of jello.
Lazy sports media personalities (Simmons, I’m talking to you), have tried to attribute Curry’s ineffective 2016 Finals to a knee injury. We know that wasn’t the case. Curry was fine in the Western Conference Finals. Instead, it was smart offensive game planning that dually functioned as great defensive game planning. Curry couldn’t make shots because he had no legs.
With that in mind, I find it surprising that the Raptors have not targeted Curry’s defense as consistently as previous Cavs teams. One could say that their motion offense and desire to continually move the rock supersedes the necessity to target Curry’s smaller stature. Hunting mismatches can slow down good movement.
They won game 3 with 30 + assists, so they are probably right in their conclusion. But with Thompson coming back, and the inevitable return of Kevin Durant, I think the Raptors should focus a little bit more on tiring Curry thus preventing his 3-point shot from equalizing the series.
2. The Raptors do have his incredible size and intelligence. They are not saddled with playing smaller wings like Iman Shumpert in order to maintain spacing. Instead their bigs, notably Marc Gasol and to a lesser extent Serge Ibaka, are comfortable playing around the perimeter and hitting open shots.
Ibaka had a fantastic defensive game in Game 3. Beyond his shot blocking, his off ball screen rotation was mostly perfect. Ibaka took a page from his Spanish and Raptor teammate, Gasol in expertly navigating the small steps of help defense, leaning just far enough to prevent a screen action without losing primary responsibility.
Ibaka’s blocks didn’t come from block hunting. Instead he was great in transition defense and on time with his half court help responsibility. A couple of Ibaka’s blocks should have been called goal-tend, but whatever. Check out this fantastic defense from Ibaka and Green at the 23 sec mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83AMMfV0LhY&t=0m23s
Danny Green perfectly stays on the high side of Curry to keep him in a tough mid-range game, Ibaka stays attached to a rolling Bogut enough to prevent the lob and yet is able to block Curry’s floater with Green leveraging his length from behind.
More brilliant teamwork is at the 1:07 mark. Green boxout fights Bogut under the hoop, steps up to contest a Jerebko drive after Lowry expertly runs him off the line. All the while, Ibaka, falls off a successfully defended Green/Curry screen action on the right wing back down into the paint for the block. Big time Team D!!!!
Speaking of size, Pascal Siakam has fully realized that nobody playing for the Warriors is really large enough to prevent him from getting all the way to the cup. The few players that the Warriors employ that could stay with him in open space are currently injured, Kevon Looney and Kevin Durant.
Even Draymond Green seems to have difficulty with Siakam. Green is great, but he must seem tiny to Siakam after having to go against The Greek Freak. Pascal has an almost backyard style with his ability to throw people off with hesitation and jiggle. He has become a better left-handed finisher and ball-handler and it has unlocked his half-court prowess.
With Danny Green joining the playoff party, the Raptors can score from multiple angles. Yes, Lowry and Fred VanVleet need to continue to make shots, but even if they don’t, they still are winning players with their defense and ball/player movement.
So far, the team that absolutely needed the victory, came away victorious. It would have been a disaster for the Raps to lose Game 1 at home or Game 3 against the Warrior’s B team. Likewise for the Warriors if they would have come back to Oracle down 0-2 in the series.
Game 4 might be the first game that doesn’t have the same kind of necessity. One could argue that the Dubs need it more than the Raptors, but I would say Toronto is still required to beat the Dubs with Durant and Looney out, and with a hobbled Klay Thompson. You can’t let the Warriors get into a best of three series with Durant on his way back.
3. In non Finals’ news, rumors about Kyrie Irving going to the Nets have only increased after Brooklyn’s recent trade acquiring Taurean Prince and off-loading Allen Crabbe’s large contract. The Nets have set themselves up to potentially sign two Max guys in July’s free agency period.
To be perfectly honest, I would rather keep D’Angelo Russell and not bother with Kyrie Irving if I am the Nets. Sure, if acquiring Irving also guarantees the Nets an opportunity to acquire Kevin Durant, it is the right move. But if general word is true, Durant is not interested in going to the Nets. If that is the case, there doesn’t seem to be a huge advantage of wrecking the Net’s ball movement and positive culture by bringing in ultimate ball stopper and weirdo, Kyrie Irving. Yes, Irving is essentially a better version of Russell on the floor, but I don’t trust him in a locker room anymore.
Regardless, it is a nice trade for the Nets. They didn’t have to give up a high pick, got off Crabbe’s contract, and acquired a younger, better version of DeMarre Carroll (current version Carroll isn’t the defender he once was. Prince isn’t a great defender, but it is rather hard for anyone to look good on the Hawks over the last couple years. He is probably better than his defensive metrics).
I don’t totally understand the move from the Hawk’s perspective. They got two first rounders for their trouble, but Crabbe is already an inferior player to Prince, and that disparity is likely to grow drastically. I suppose they will try to combine Crabbe’s 2020 expiring contract with some of their extra picks in a package for a superstar caliber wing. Maybe they can help facilitate an Anthony Davis deal? I dunno. They better do something good in order to justify getting rid of Prince.
4. I wish I liked a single player in the Cavs’ draft range. They all make me essentially sigh, shrug my shoulders, and mutter “whatever”. Darius Garland is intriguing I guess, but would likely be rough on the defensive end. Someone is going to convince themselves that Rodney Hood with longer arms, Cam Reddish will be able to learn how to play with intensity. De’Andre Hunter is probably going to be a solid player, but…………… sorry, I just napped a little.
You got anybody interesting?
I almost would enjoy going super big with Tacko or Bol just to have something different than what has been Danny G’s MO. Convince me of someone in the comments. And remember, “fit” should be totally irrelevant in the NBA draft. In the NFL, maybe, but not for the NBA. That is a recipe for disaster.
https://twitter.com/joeingles7/status/1137544986545704960?s=21
Awesome
Can’t stop thinking Culver would be a perfect SG to start next to Sexton. He produced at a high level against the best NCAA competition and is still reasonably young. He also has size, some ball-handling, decent defense, and good court vision. Sexton would be free to concentrate on scoring and Culver could defend the better opposing PG or SG. Really hope Cavs don’t trade back.
Where are you seeing this idea about trading back? Haven’t heard much of that chatter.
I know I have been mentioning it more as a hypothetical than anything, specifically as an example of a scenario where I would take certain guys. I don’t know if there are actual rumors about it. The only actual cavs draft trade talks I have seen were about the heat pick and moving up from 26 into it or just getting it straight up from the heat for JR. I think someone (you?) had posted something about JR’s contract and a trade and I believe FTS had an article about rumors regarding discussions for their 13 pick. That said I… Read more »
I think just speculation FWIW
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1136742796700917771?s=20
8, 10, and 17 for 5 and 26. I would do that.
And our pick back next year could also be in the discussion.
Speculation by Woj, but I would definitely do that. Why Atlanta would I couldn’t fathom.
I don’t think he’s saying we’d get all those picks.
I can dream. For trading back from 5, getting 8 and 17 seems reasonable. For giving up the 26th, I think they would have to throw in something else. Which means a player or 17th this year or increasing protection to lottery protected next year. Likely the latter.
Also I like the edit button. Is that new? Can only use it from my phone. But that is primarily when I need it.
On Hawks speculation. That Hawks/Nets trade cannot haopen until ATL gets cap space from expiring deals coming off the books. So Nets still “have” #17 at the draft & will pick for ATL (or us if we trade for the pick).
Good to know. Presumably if the Hawks intended to deal they would basically be calling the Cavs and asking who we wanted on draft night.
They could still discuss moving 8 and 10.
https://sports.yahoo.com/how-kawhi-leonard-likely-wrecked-the-warriors-threepeat-aspirations-141047778.html Toronto assistant coach Phil Handy — an Oakland native — addressed the team after Game 3 of the semifinals against the Philadelphia 76ers for not taking exception to Joel Embiid’s flying airplane gesture after a windmill dunk, sources told Yahoo Sports. Embiid had led the Sixers to a 116-95 victory with 33 points on 9-of-18 shooting to go with 10 rebounds and five blocks. Handy’s postgame message, sources said, was heard loud and clear: showboating would not be tolerated and it should infuriate them. The Raptors responded. Over the next four games with an uptick in physicality, Embiid’s productivity… Read more »
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1137584271588306944?s=19
Yeah it’s a pretty awful take. I would like to hope that analytics is used only as one tool among others by every team but the GM would still need to have a thorough understanding of it. The biggest reason though is that the skills involved are so drastically different. NBA GMing isn’t just playing fantasy basketball and identifying which players should be on your team. It involves far more than that. Cap management, contract and trade negotiations within the constraints of the CBA, personnel management and much more. Players demonstrate none of these skills as a player and therefore… Read more »
If a former player has aspirations of becoming a team GM, here is an idea — get a job in a front office, learn the trade, prove you can do the job. I don’t think this is a radical concept. Most former players who have reached that level have done just that. The ones who were just appointed because of their name haven’t worked out, and why would anyone expect they would? Analytics doesn’t have much to do with it. Teams hire guys to run that stuff. Is Jalen hinting that some team should want him as their GM because… Read more »
Amico is the George Costanza of Hoops. Always wrong. Take the opposite.
JUST LOOKED UP THE SCOUTING REPOERT ON SEKOU-( SAY-WHO ) ( DRAFT NET )—STRENGTHS —ATHLETICISM / QUICKNESS BOTH FORWARD / LATERAL / WING SPAN / POSSIBLY STILL GROWING —COULD BECOME A “DEFENSIVE BEAST ‘ —GREAT TEAMMATE / ATTITUDE —-GOOD / PURE SHOOTING STROKE / AGE –ONLY 18 ——————ABOUT THE ONLY NEGATIVE IS HIS INSTINCTS FOR THE GAME—-DUE PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF HIS LATE START PLAYING BASKETBALL———WHAT THE HELL–COUNT ME IN ” ROLL THE DICE AT PICK #5————“IF HE TURNS OUT TO BE A FLOP “– I NEVER POSTED THIS ” : )
More Sekou!
https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1137425038624415746
His form looks ok from those angles (though sort of hard to tell from video. Pretty smooth release. He does bring the ball down to near his waist and then up, but I don’t have major issues with that. Some people might as it could limit the speed of release. 15 in a row is pretty impressive, though it was a ton from the same spot. No idea how much he had shot before. Still intriguing.
Supposed to be a great teamate. If the Cavs were to trade down with the Hawks I’d look at this guy and Clarke hard. NO CAM!
He does have great shooting form. Some have compared him to Siakam. Just saw his highlights…. he’s really good… scary good really. He can run like the wind and finish with either hand, he has natural feel in the post to score or pass, his shooting form is pure. He’s got good feel for the defensive end, and just a natural feel for the game in general.
Consider me on board with this pick…. gotta take a risk, dude’s only 18!
Hmm, going to have to look into him more. If we trade back or get the 13th pick from the heat I might not be opposed to rolling the die with the 5th. Most projections have him going somewhere 8-10 I think. So we would likely have to take him at five unless we trade back for 8 and 10.
No question in my mind he’s in consideration at 5. I can see the argument for him to leap ahead of Culver and Hunter based on his age and upside.
You wonder what Beilein thinks of him…ultimately it’s the FO who makes these picks, though, and they have to be tempted…I’d honestly probably be okay with him at 5 even. You always hear about drafting young guys on potential — these late starter hyper athletic African guys are the ultimate ‘potential’…pretty likely he has a lot of room to reach a theoretical ceiling…his size is pretty ridiculous…
I’d speculate that Beilein would be on board with this… he just wants guys who know how to play the game. Caris Lavert, who played for Beilien, comes to mind as a comp for Sekou.
That was the surprising thing about Sekou’s highlights… the game comes naturally for him, he anticipates instead of being a step behind from thinking the game.
The most exciting thing about him honestly is his jumper…. no hitch, perfect form…. no reason for him not to become a monster 3 and D guy with handles and post moves.
Yeah, I’m getting close to being all in as a swing for the fences pick…he’s a legit swing for the fences as opposed to someone like Reddish…
I know exactly what you mean.
Oh if we reach I don’t want to reach on Reddish.
Yeah his j looks smooth for a guy that I was under the impression was supposed to be really raw
He’s certainly intriguing. His per-36 production in an inferior league is not encouraging though.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/sekou-doumbouya
Yeah he is a reach at 5. I might do it if we turn the 26th pick into a higher one or if we trade back with Hawks. But not sure I would just roll the die with 5 without another higher pick. Just would need to see him against top tier competition, which I am not convinced the France league is.
Could be the steal of the draft…or a complete bust…choose now!
https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1137413595766153217
I know next to nothing about him. He seems to be getting some hype. I think I read he showed out in the combine scrimmages. Expect he is a top ten lock. Probably only way Cavs get him is if they trade back for Hawks picks. Doubt we take him at 5, nor would I necessarily want to take that risk when the guys we have endlessly talked about will be available there. Still if the Cavs want to go for potential, trading back could be an interesting option.
Just started playing ball at 12 years old and still growing, too. I’m not saying pick him, but these guys have to be terrifying to evaluate after watching Giannis and Siakam develop (and even Ibaka if you go back, to a certain extent)…I’d be okay taking him around 10, and rolling the dice…
Really good Lowe article on game four and where we are in the Finals…
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26923847/what-kawhi-raptors-done-warriors
Watching the replay this morning, even though the raptors didn’t exactly shoot incredibly well overall, a lot of their half court sequences last night which used extra passes to guys on the move that ended up befuddling the warriors d sort of reminded me how the spurs completely deconstructed the heat d in 2014 and how the warriors deconstructed the cavs d in some of our finals games. I mean how many layups and dunks did the raptors get from extra passes and cuts last night? They utterly destroyed the Kawhi traps.
Yeah, when they have it going they remind one of the Spurs that year…only thing they really lack is a lot of one on one creators…
Funny how with or without Durant, a good coaching team can utilize what it has to its fullest potential and punish the opposing team. I can only wonder what would had been if we didn’t have Lue.
True, but Raptors defensive personnel is vastly superior to the Cavs of the last few years. Lowry, Leonard, Gasol, Siakam are all very good to elite defenders on and off ball. Ibaka can be very good at times. Van Vleet can be a pest. Green is a good perimeter defender. LeBron can be elite. Love maxes out at average as a team defender to below average as an individual, but has inherent matchup issues sometimes. Hill was good at times. TT was good, but not on the level of Gasol. Nance is good. Jefferson was good. Shumpert was ok on… Read more »
AGREE——BESIDES THE “INJURIES ‘ NEMISIS FOR THE DUBS —–AND THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES HERE @ CTB—–THE 2019 WARRIORS BENCH IS NOWHERE NEAR THE 2015 / 2016 BENCH———–RAPTORS ARE HUGE PLUS IN THAT DEPT.
Yes. I’m not sure if it was money related but the good bench players they had in the past went to different teams. Good ;)