2019 Draft Podcap: Taking Swings, Dodging Bols
2019-06-21Whew. That was a close one. We almost lost EvilGenius who pledged to ghost this team if they ended up with Bol Bol. Fortunately for us, the Cavs passed. In a night full of wild pitches, Bol ended up lasting until the 44th pick, when the Nuggets traded with the Heat to grab the oddly proportioned human. After the 26th pick, the Cavs followed up their selection of Darius Garland at No. 5 by selecting Dylan Windler of Belmont. As the pod kicked off, Cleveland surprised us all by trading back into the first round and grabbing Kevin Porter Jr. from USC, who’d been rumored to the Cavs as early as the late lottery.
Nate Smith, Evil Genius, Eli Kim, and Tom Pestak all squeezed into the podcast to take our cuts. We broke down the pros and cons of Darius Garland, the surprise of J.R. Smith staying put on draft night, and the Cavs’ and the NBA’s focus on shooting. Then we picked the biggest winners and losers of draft night. Winners included Atlanta, Memphis, Cam Johnson, and definitely New Orleans. Losers threw a included Boston, Phoenix, and Jay Bilas’ draft board. We wrapped it all up with some talk of NBA free agency, a tour San Diego’s finest eateries, and tales of Tom Pestak’s little league savants and whether or not they need to hire an agent.
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https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1143607262050705408
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/1143603298735468544
LeBron’s trying to rep every player on the Cavs!
Well see ya Clarkson. Don’t let the door hit ya on your way out.
Thankfully he is not a good player so he has no leverage to demand a trade to a specific team. Unless Paul tries to do something with turning Garland against us. Always possible I guess considering how Paul tries to operate.
The Lakers can have J.R. Smith.
Also the biggest concern I have concern with Garland is that Paul is his agent. Could see Paul trying to sow discord and maybe maneuver him out of Cleveland sooner rather than later if things don’t get off to a great start the first two years.
Yeah it’s a concern. I don’t trust Rich Paul either.
The Laker fans will welcome him back like a returning hero.
On the Fedor piece, it seems we could have had a 1st for his contract.
My take is threefold. One is that we really liked Porter as much or more than guys in the teens/twenties and thought we could get him later. Two is that we thought three rookies is likely enough. Three is that we valued JRs contract & what we could get out of it (future asset, monetary savings, roster spot for MLE) more than those 3 future late seconds & future/opportunity costs of taking on more bad money.
All reasonable takes, though I wanted Clarke badly.
I agree on the why.
Unfortunately Clarke didn’t even seem to be on their radar. Maybe because the glut of bigs we already have. Still would have loved if they could have moved up to Miami’s spot. But Clarke probably wasn’t even a consideration for the cavs. Still, there were some other guys around there that might have been nice pieces.
Wonder how much KPJ will even play in Summer League…as far as I know, they need to wait for the trade to finalize. He may miss the first couple of games…
We play in SLC & Vegas. Does he miss the start of both?
The trade is finalized July 6th, correct? First Cavs game is the 5th, maybe he can play in their 2nd game on the 7th?
On the cap/tax/JR issue, by my rough math:
1) Tax guess is $132 million.
2) Cavs at roughly $130, for 13 guys. Not counting JR+15th. Including the rookies.
3) Unless we shed salary during the year (TT, Knight, Clarkson, Henson, Delly) we are over the tax line regardless of what we do with JR.
$119,334,282 for 10 under contract. Plus:
$10,359,480 for the rookies (3)
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$129,693,762. 2 vet mins put us barely over.
https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/1143600178689183744
https://twitter.com/MZavagno11/status/1143580607945105408
I mean he is comparing the two unfortunately. The major thing about Doncic is his size, playmaking, vision, knowledge of how to play on offense (p and r/reads) and how to run a team from years of pro ball. Yes he can score. Dunno if he will be the most efficient scorer. Porter Jr. has maybe two things similar to Doncic while having loads more athleticism and much less height. Arguably those two things are not the things that make Doncic great. Doesn’t mean Porter Jr can’t become a dynamic scorer. But he has a long ways to go before… Read more »
https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/1143474118198747137?s=20
I didn’t realized Free Agency started tonight?
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1143510970825936896?s=20
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1143561751113412610?s=20
Just max Terry. Boom. Done.
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1143553364120285186?s=20
At this point I have zero doubt he’ll just be released. Then the Lakers can pick him up as one of their vet min guys.
Yeah and I’m generally okay with them just releasing him. There will be other opportunities at the trade deadline with Clarkson, TT, Knight, Henson, Delly. Although I’d be happy to hold onto Delly.
Saving some cash.
https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/1081006158024978434?s=20
Matt Muehlebach joins Chico Bormann and Dustin Fox to talk about the Cavs’ late first round draft pick as well as the rest of the NBA draft.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bull-fox/id633446284#episodeGuid=7424b24b-2ac4-420a-82dd-aa7601657c30
Former Vanderbilt head coach Bryce Drew joined Ken Carman and Anthony Lima to talk about Cleveland Cavaliers top draft pick Darius Garland and share some insight on the former Commodores gaurd. Coach gave great insight on Garland and some former opponents he game planned against in Colin Sexton & Dylan Windler and we went down memory lane to talk about his buzzer beater in the NCAA tournament.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ken-carman-show-with-anthony-lima/id1033244883#episodeGuid=3a8f312e-b32e-41a4-9e33-aa7700ddf995
Giannis is such a great guy. Milwaukee is lucky to have such a cool dude to root for.
https://twitter.com/AmNotEvan/status/1143508577216323586
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1143333857841897472?s=20
Really excited to see how Beilein coaches him up. Beilein said that Sexton has elite athleticism and work ethic, and just needs “direction” on what to work on. Beilein had also mentioned that Sexton was there for his presser, and that he was going to give Sexton some things to work on before summer break.
Pick and roll. Offense & defense.
https://twitter.com/MikeLeslieWFAA/status/1143332760976863232?s=20
Sexton finished 5th. First team by voting finish: Young & Sexton at G; Doncic, JJJ, & Ayton up front.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1143357341401845760?s=20
No surprise there.
They got it right. 2 years running. Russ over Kawhi in 2017 was a travesty.
Looks like you can access NBATV through FuboTv. And there’s a free trial. So I’ll use that to watch those summer league games.
Also, I’m seeing that the ESPN app should have almost every game… they definitely have Cavs Spurs in SLC.
Blazers trade Turner for Bazemore, which probably nixes any fantasy of Love going there.
Although Woj describes it as ‘cap neutral’ deal…
Yeah because Turner the deal they’d probably move. Odd deal. Guess is Atlanta wanted to do r ight by Baze.
https://twitter.com/channingfrye/status/1143198939404914689?s=20
RJ wins the exchange!
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1143221288380653574?s=20
https://twitter.com/channingfrye/status/1143151434642235393
FYI, these are not my endorsements, I’m just sharing information… Per Jason Lloyd’s recent article: https://theathletic.com/1039736/2019/06/24/lloyd-busted-appliances-two-point-guards-and-a-spoonful-of-hope-the-cavs-have-officially-started-their-rebuild/ – A number of people in the organization, including a number of players on this roster, felt last season like Sexton’s best role will ultimately be as a sixth man. A number of coaches from last year’s staff believed it, too. – Beilein certainly will, and should, play Sexton and Garland together. Now is the time to do it, when winning isn’t the priority. If they can pull it off, wonderful. And if Sexton ultimately settles into a bench role, there’s nothing wrong with… Read more »
Dion is not much bigger or longer than Kyrie, and we took him.
I just do not like part of this line of reasoning. It is not just about height (for me), it is about both guys needing the ball, both guys being poor passers, and both guys being bad on D.
Of the two, I like Sexton to improve the most due to his work ethic & competitive spirit. Maybe Garland has that too, but I have not had a chance to see it, no one has.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1143173330675077120?s=19
A way-too-early 2020 NBA Mock Draft and analysis of next year’s class: https://theathletic.com/934557/2019/04/23/a-way-too-early-2020-nba-mock-draft-and-analysis-of-next-years-class/ 1. James Wiseman 7-1 center, East High School (Memphis, TN). Committed to Memphis Few prospects I’ve scouted possess the immense defensive upside that Wiseman does. He’s already a monster on the interior, using his 7-1 height and 7-6 wingspan to lethal effect when protecting the basket. High school players basically can’t finish over the top of him, especially now that he’s put on about 15 pounds this year and is up to a solid 240. On the perimeter, he can use his length and footwork to slide… Read more »
2. Cole Anthony; 6-3 lead guard; Committed to North Carolina 3. Anthony Edwards; 6-5 guard; Committed to Georgia 4. R.J. Hampton; 6-5 guard; Uncommitted 5. Theo Maledon; 6-4 guard, ASVEL (France) 6. Jaden McDaniels; 6-11 forward; Uncommitted 7. Deni Avdija; 6-9 forward, Maccabi Tel Aviv (Israel) 8. Scottie Lewis; 6-6 wing; Committed to Florida 9. Precious Achiuwa; 6-9 forward; Uncommitted 10. Tyrese Maxey; 6-3 guard; Committed to Kentucky 11. Isaiah Stewart; 6-9 center; Committed to Washington 12. Nico Mannion; 6-3 guard; Committed to Arizona 13. Ayo Dosunmu; 6-4 guard, freshman, Illinois. Averaged 13.8 points, 3.3 assists 14. Jalen Smith; 6-10… Read more »
If Dallas ends up drafting Anthony Edwards he’ll probably die before the end of the season…
Im disappointed my Top Gun joke didn’t seem to get any laughs…
Perhaps it was buried too deep in this thread to be noticed.
Hopefully Anthony Edwards is good so I can make the joke again this coming season.
Draft themes: https://theathletic.com/1039665/2019/06/24/vecenies-nba-draft-superlatives-50-names-and-thoughts-about-what-happened-in-the-draft/ Cleveland Cavaliers: Offensive upside and skill — Last year, the Cavaliers had the worst defense in the NBA and were arguably the worst rim-protection team in NBA history. They did absolutely nothing to change that in the draft, as none of the players they selected in the first round are high-level on that end of the floor. Heck, a couple of them are actually pretty bad. But here’s the thing: the Cavs also finished 25th in offensive rating, and desperately needed help on that end, too. So in Darius Garland and Kevin Porter Jr., they two of… Read more »
Best value first rounders: Kevin Porter Jr. — This is an upside bet by the Cavaliers. Porter could be out of the NBA in four years, or he could be a starter in four years. There is a wild amount of variance in his potential outcomes. But at No. 30 and with the price tag being just money (okay, a fairly obscene $5 million, but still) and four second round picks, I think it’s a risk worth taking. His ability to score the basketball is high level, because he has an elite ability to get separation from his opponents. He’ll… Read more »
I would be surprised if we made a major deal (not counting JR) before Beilein gets an up close look at these guys. Let’s see how the group plays in his system. Plus it could build value for some guys.
Exceptions would be if the offer is too good to pass on or we know already the player is not in our plans & won’t play much (no value increase). Knight?
Yup… in fact, Beilein name dropped Sexton, KLOVE, and Nance in his introductory press conference, all of whom coincidentally are the only guys signed beyond 2020.
I don’t expect any of them to be moved unless there’s a godfather offer.
https://twitter.com/AndrewGreif/status/1142971934340026368?s=20
He’s staying in Toronto. Even Uncle Dennis thinks so. At least for next year.
yeah, I think so too, I heard that he’d do it because he won’t get the 35% percent contract for another year or two.
Which in and of itself is unbelievable to me because I thought he’d go to LA for sure, no matter what.
Might be the best thing for the Lakers…allows them to grab Mudiay, Melo or Jabari Parker…
LOL, I think Kawhi would’ve gone to the Clippers if he was going to LA.
Yeah he might go to LAC in two years. I expect him to sign a 1 and 1 or a 2 and 1 with Toronto and then move on after that.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1142957795618279425?s=20
Apparently Beilein has a lot of his guys all over the basketball world.
https://twitter.com/channingfrye/status/1142942514325757954?s=20
Channing stirring up the rumor pot!
If Love were to get moved, that’s one team I’d be happy to see him on. Enjoyed watching the Blazers in the playoffs and Dame’s buzzer beater, series clinching, way downtown 3 was one of the best moments.
Portland has got nothing worth Love. They aren’t giving up CJ that is for sure. Their first rounders aren’t worth it for the next few years.
If they fleeced us it would be a great trade for them. He would fit ok. Still Nurkic and Love? Probably would want an athletic combo forward at 4 for defensive purposes.
There would need to be a third team involved. As others have noted, Portland has nothing I’d want.
Frye is best friends with KLove, and moved back to Portland.
Here you go, everyone gets to go home:
Trade 1: More unlikely
Cavs get CJ and Harkless
Portland gets Love and Clarkson
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyxyeqxf
Trade 2: Unlikely
Cavs get CJ and Harkless and Leonard
Portland gets Love, Clarkson, and Sexton
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6ohsdo9
Report: Blazers tried to land Kevin Love using their trade exception
https://hoopshype.com/2019/06/05/portland-trail-blazers-kevin-love-trade-rumors-cleveland-cavaliers/
The article clearly states the Cavs weren’t interested, and Fedor reports (correctly IMO) that the Cavs want to keep KLOVE and won’t trade him unless it’s an offer they can’t refuse.
Just look at the contracts ladies and gentlemen, KLOVE and Nance aren’t going anywhere, and probably Sexton, Garland, Porter Jr., and Windler too.
And that was last summer. I don’t believe they currently have an expiring, so we’d either have to get CJ or take on a bunch of bad contracts and late firsts. No thanks.
Harkless is an expiring I’m sure they’d like to unload… along with Leonard and Turner both of whom appear to be expirings as well.
The problem is the interesting assets they do have they won’t trade, which are Collins and Layman. I don’t believe Layman’s under contract either right now.
A hypothetical deal would have to built around Collins, Layman, and a bunch of first rounders for the Cavs to be interested, and I’m sure the Blazers wouldn’t consider it.
I meant a TPE.
oh, gotcha
The only way I do it is if they give us CJ, otherwise no thanks. They could have Love and Sexton for CJ and other pieces.
I mean, what comes our way? McCollum or Nurkic are the only pieces they have I would want (Dame is too rich for our assets). They are not trading either.
Plus, after 2 weeks of talk about how the Cavs FO/analytics and Beilein all value sgooting so much, do we really think we are going to trade the only big on the roster who can shoot? Who also is one of the best shooting 4/5s in the league? For peanuts?
Yeeesh.
Given Arch’s point about them being close friends – WHY would Channing publish this, if it weren’t really possible. I don’t think Channing truly wants to see Cleveland fleeced, so what gives? Or does he think Kev is miserable in his current role and wants to help him out?
Remeber, he’s not a press guy, he’s just a dude. Not everything means something. Maybe he’d just like to have his buddy playing close to him and Love could feasibly be a dangerous weapon for Portland. That doesn’t mean the rumor has teeth. The Cavs have doubled down endlessly since Love’s extension that they have absolutely no plan to trade him. KLove just somehow is in the sweet spot of being a player people cpuld see with every team. Good enough to make a major impact but not considered good enough to be overly expensive. Watch, he’ll retire a Cav… Read more »
Since the Thunder are looking to shed salary. And the Cavs need defensive wings. Here’s an imaginary trade:
OKC gets JR (pays $4 M of $10 M and cuts him)
Cavs get Roberson and Patterson
http://tradenba.com/trades/H1wLqoT1H
I wouldn’t mind that at all
I’d do it. Guess it depends on if they’re in the tax and how much they don’t want to be since both are one year deals. Roberson is sort of a key piece for them as far as their primary contributors. If they’re just interested in reducing cost this season could work. Think a more realistic scenario is JR for Schroeder though.
There were reports that they were shopping Adams, Roberson, and Schroeder.
I’d probably want a second rounder for Schroeder. Extra year and all.
I wouldn’t do the deal for Schroeder. We’ve got too many guards as it is, and I’m not that high on him.
I also doubt they move JR at this point, based on recent comments they made.
Anyways the deal above would save OKC $10M. If the reports are correct then I don’t see why they wouldn’t do this deal.
The guards thing is a good point. I am assuming the get rid of Knight and Clarkson sooner rather than later. Only reason they wouldn’t is if they think they can compete in the playoffs next year as is. Considering the result this year they might not.
As for Schroeder, they would have to sweeten it with a second rounder or two. Maybe they do it for tax alone. Would save them more in the long run to do Schroeder.
I don’t think Roberson is a primary contributor anymore with the emergence of Jeremi Grant and the youth/upside of Ferguson.
I used to think that Schröder might be a nice get to collect more assets, but the draft blew that notion up.
Roberson would be a nice stopgap if he’s healthy, which is questionable. It’d at least turn a useless roster spot into a usable one. But another thing is Roberson doesn’t sound like the kind of guy Beilein wants to bring in.
I watched press conferences of Bickerstaff and Gottlieb and came away very impressed. They’re fantastic communicators, I immediately thought of Blatt listening to them articulate their thoughts. Didn’t know that Gottlieb is an Ivy League grad.
I really liked those press conferences too.
REMEMBER WHEN THE DEBATE WAS WHO TO TAKE IN THE DRAFT BETWEEN THE “NEXT ” 2 STARS ——JPARKER/ A WIGGINS —–WOW HOW THEY HAVE BOTH FALLEN SINCE THAT DRAFT
Or rolling the die on Embiid. Funny how that turned out.
Yep. If Embiid does not get hurt, we draft him for sure at #1.
I ended up wanting wiggins for cautionary reasons, but I was conflicted til the final moments before the draft. That’s how spectacular Embiid looked pre-injury. I do wonder even now what he would be had he not gotten injured. He was amazingly mobile that freshmen year. Not sure he is quite the same, even as good as he is now.
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He’d be a tremendous fit for the Lakers or Celtics.
https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/1142819180619501569
https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/1142827927257657344?s=20
Classic g league guy. Fringe NBA player at best.
He is Greek. Nothing to see here.
Lakers supposedly eyeing DLo if nothing else works out, which would be hilarious for multiple reasons, but I’d rather see them get Mudiay.
Billy Simmons is eyeing D-Lo too.
I’d be okay with Mudiay on the Celtics, too. Or they can max Scary Terry.
There is no way in hell I want Wiggins or his contract.
Even if we got Towns I might still balk. The two of them suck without Butler.
Uh. Towns was one of the absolute best players in the Association after butler left.
I would do TT and Clarkson for Wiggins and Culver plus 2 first from Minny.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yxgjtun4
I would too, but even for Wigg’s contract Minny ain’t doing that.
I agree. I think Minny is hoping Wiggins gets better and if not maybe they can trade him in a few years.
They would do it if you took out Culver. Two firsts and TT and Clarkson would do it. Wiggins contract won’t move anywhere for less than that. Why? 4 more years at 30 million for one of the worst players in the league.
You won’t get Culver and two firsts. But you might get two firsts alone.
Yeah, then hard pass.
Yeah. I might do it for three. But that contract is damn near untradeable.
Windhorst is saying Love is on the market (not that big a revelation, almost everyone is on the market most of the time), but hard to find the right deal. Any ideas on a deal you would like?
I don’t think they’d move Love until the trade deadline or next off-season.
I’m wondering if he’s the salary part of the Wiggins+Culver for Salary+Garland trade…
Huh?
A trade rumor created by me based on Garland supposedly sitting out summer league…
I do like Culver, but I’m not sure I’d want to take on Wiggins contract.
I’d also not be willing to include Garland.
That trade isn’t a thing. Cavs just would have taken Culver then gotten a bunch of firsts from minny for wiggins contract separately. There is zero reason they would have taken Garland. Wouldn’t have needed to. They could just trade Knight and TT for Wiggins plus like 3 firsts straight up. Garland and Culver would never be involved.
I’m not saying the trade is a ‘thing’, but the Cavs could do it because they think Wiggins is somehow good…Twolves supposedly really wanted Garland in the draft…I want nothing to do with Wiggins or his garbage contract.
Pretty sure no front office is the league thinks Wiggins is good. Wiggins contract would require the wolves to give up multiple firsts to move to any team. The cavs, if they somehow thought wiggins was good, could get him and multiple firsts for a couple of our expirings.
I’d bet a number of them think he is good, just with a big (too large) contract…hope one of them is not the Cavs.
I think there is too much of a track record on him now for anyone to think that. Even if you did, you still would know you could get him for free from the wolves and in actuality everyone knows they would have to pay you to get it off their books.
His value has tanked. Worst contract in the league and everyone knows it including the wolves.
Nope. He’s a champion and the perfect veteran to bring along the young guys. Windhorst loves talking BS.
Boy, unless Durant picks up his option this summer or Kawhi and Kyrie sign 1 and 1s, the 2020 FA doesn’t really include unrestricted FAs that are stars. AD is resigning with LA so he doesn’t count. Does Eric Gordon command a max? Andre Drummond? Draymond Green? Derozan at this point? There are some RFAs who will get maxed. Ben Simmons will be one. Siakam will be another. Jamal Murray could be another. Buddy Hield could be a third. Does Brandon Ingram get a max? However, any offers Siakam, Murray, and Hield get will almost certainly be matched by their… Read more »
Yeesh. I would not give a max to any of those guys. Draymond is probably the one who deserves it the most out of that group but his value is buoyed by his skillset within the Warriors system. He’s not coming to Cleveland anyways.
Ingram hasn’t shown me enough yet. Tough to see Philly moving away from Simmons.
I would throw some money at Hield and Siakam. But they aren’t going anywhere. More posted to illustrate that the cavs may have a very difficult time trading Clarkson, Knight, TT/Henson. Just don’t think the market will be there because the guys on the list above aren’t really guys you sacrifice assets to clear cap for.
First off, most of those guys can still play a bit. Not a JR situation. You get Bird rights & a olayer who can contribute (TT, Clarkson surely; we will see on Knight/Henson post injury).
So you can look to PO teams and cap teams.
The issue us how much junk you are willing to take back & how much teams are willing to give up for their junk (cap space team) or in assets (PO team).
If the 2020 FA class is THAT weak, taking bad contracts into 2021 should be something we are willing to do.
Here’s the trade again with Dallas giving up a player/
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yxsyu5j6
Here you go… here’s an imaginary trade:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yxo5day4
Cavs get Joe Harris
Dallas get Clarkson
Brooklyn gets JR, and the ability to clear more cap space to sign Kyrie/Durant
http://tradenba.com/trades/rkwwlV6JB
Not really sure why it works without Dallas giving up anything? But it works on the trade machines
Cuz they can trade into dallas’ cap space. Maybe they give up a second rounder.
I do doubt that Harris is a guy they’d want to give up: good productivity on a reasonable contraxt
I agree but if they are looking to sign two max players, they might not have a choice.
Not if they renounce Russell which is what they would do.
Seems pretty one-sided for us. No idea why Dallas would want Clarkson on a one year deal and because he cuts into their cap in that trade. Nets don’t have to give up anything to create two maxes. They just have to renounce guys. Actually, I believe they now could renounce everyone but Russell and still have two max slots.
I’m assuming they don’t get their first wave of targets.
https://twitter.com/AmNotEvan/status/1142515760771796993?s=20
The writer suggests moving expiring contracts Knight and Clarkson, to alleviate the log jam at guard. The question is who and what could we trade those contracts for? Which teams need guards?
Clarkson would look awfully nice on the team the Lakers are putting together…
Knight is simply a contract at this point. Probably can’t do anything but trade him for a worse contract for compensation or buy him out at deadline.
I heard Boston needs a point guard
Yeah he wouldn’t be terrible for Boston.
Carsen Edwards + Smart is not awful
Yes it is lol
Teams might be teams interested in Clarkson as a bench scorer, but he’s not a winning player. At best you can hope a team trying to make the playoffs could use his scoring: Charlotte, Chicago, Dallas, Washington (snicker).
Haha I was going to say Washington too — they perpetually are making horrible decisions and Clarkson seems like exactly the player they get enamored with. Phoenix needed a PG too – but likely want to give their backup PG minutes to Ty Jerome.
Wait until the season starts. There will be injuries.
Plus, with Love in the lineup and more shooting, Clarkson’s drive game (over 50% on two’s) may get more efficient & an actual kick game may develop.
One thing I can say, is after seeing Porter’s life story, I am really rooting for the kid.
And seeing the post-draft stories, it seems the Cavs really did see a big drop after Hunter & Garland.
Next items up:
1) Fill out coaching staff (how about a PG/shooting coach?(
2) Decision on JR (trade or expire)
3) Decision on Nwaba & maybe #15 (Sauce?)
4) Summer league
At least we have actual hoops soon.
1.) Mark Price, he wasn’t retained by the Nuggets
2.) They will let it expire.
3.) Yes to Nwaba
4.) Is there a way to watch NBA TV if you don’t have it as a channel?
you could catch games via Reddit nbastreams, but I think that’s getting shut down, so will need an alternate way to find streams, probably. I don’t think there’s any way to watch games on NBA TV other than streams. I may get it this summer, depends on the price.
They used to offer a deal, where you could watch all summer league games via an app for $5. Not sure if they do that any longer.
Yeah Reddit NBA streams is dead :(
Since when? I have been watching the NBA via streams since 2007. I have to admit I have not paid a single cent. If streams are gone, which I don’t believe, I may have to start paying :(
The streams aren’t going to be gone, as far as I know, Reddit just isn’t going to be hosting links.
They have an app. Usually can swing a free trial period for a week.
https://twitter.com/AmNotEvan/status/1142031450268741634?s=20
Wow, that is some good stuff! I don’t think Garland has the court vision to control a game as a point guard, but could be a big contributor in a more diffuse offense or one has a passing big-man as the focal point. Hopefully Beilein can create something that is fun to watch from these parts.
His out of control/ sloppy/ reckless turnovers are ugly. I expect we’ll see a lot of this stuff next season. Hope his shooting makes up for it.
https://twitter.com/AmNotEvan/status/1142163876647264257?s=20
https://twitter.com/NBCSBoston/status/1142176485823963136?s=20
“He had issues with pretty much all of us.” Just seems very petty from a generally well-respected journalist.
Meh she seems more like a talking head on espn now. Honestly I could do without all bball journalists who don’t actually write analysis. So Arnowitz, Windy, McMullan, Stein, Woj, Bucher, Steven A (not a journalist but he can f$&k off), etc. Except for guys like Lowe, Pelton, Goldwire, and anyone that actually does analysis, every professionally paid person that writes or comments on bball are completely useless and boring. All those people may as well find something new to do since they just write fluff about off court nonsense, or human interest stories within games. Who cares?
The soap opera / WWF turn of NBA sports writing is unfortunate — but given the massive audience and year-long time scale it seems inevitable that the ‘human interest’ type of reporting about personalities, pettiness, frustrated professional desires and even to the level (blech) of extensive discussions of X player’s social media activity fills up a good portion of the content served up for the reading public. I also hate the gossipy aspect of it and feel like about 50% of the time Windhorst is writing and thinking about at the level of a 14-year-old in between classes who has… Read more »
Bball breakdown on youtube has done a bunch on that series. Lowe has as well. But yeah as Tom said on the pod, it has been overshadowed by FA. Unfortunate.
So max Scary Terry.
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1142479005892960256?s=20
How’s Julius Randle as a defender? I wonder if he’s worth going after?
Zach Lowe keeps saying in his podcasts that he is beyond terrible. I trust him.
Only 24. Can get better.
He’s an UFA. Not gonna happen.
I can’t lie, I wanted Bols on the second round. Sucks we didn’t go for him. I think he’ll be special.
He has shoulders like Marilyn Monroe. He’ll never hold up.
Would you trade Bol Bol for EG?
I think Bol will be good if his foot heals. Seems like medical news was bad and so teams were scared.
He has the same physical make-up of Durant, their bodies are extremely similar. The NBA isn’t physical anymore, he’ll be good as long as his feet are okay.
He’ll never be able to put the ball on the floor like Durant. He is really more a spot up shooter. He can dribble some, but his shot isn’t good when he does.
I have zero doubt he can shoot…
https://twitter.com/twithersAP/status/1142539935091744769
LOOK HE IS EVEN STANDING ON “FLAT EARTH ” : )
Maybe Kyrie can do an Uncle Drew where he tries to get the old team back together & no one wants to play with him.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1142503691964112897?s=19
A perfect gift for Bill Simmons…
Hah!
We could be in for FAs next summer if we let a lot of the expirings go.
Unlikely we get a max type. But mid-level 3&D types could be gettable.
Everyone is saying Portland as a template with the backcourt. But I think Sac could also be. Score, be fun to watch. Improve.
Well there’s always 2021: Jalen Johnson or Scottie Barnes look to be top10 wings in that draft class. Yes I’m scouting juniors.
Hey I followed Zion for like three years. Maybe you can give us the heads up on who is the next guy.
Age breakdown of Cavs roster sans JR.
Also saw we did not offer Blossomgate a deal. He is a FA. Not sure on Adel.
19-23: College kids = 5/7. Porter Jr (19), Garland (19), Sexton (19), Adel (22, TW), Zizic (22), Windler (22), Wade (22, TW).
24-28: Young prine = 7/9.Osman (24), Stauskas (25, UFA), Nwaba (26, RFA), LNJ (26), Clarkson (27), Knight (27), TT (28), Henson (28), Delly (28).
29-33: Vet prime = 1. Love (30).
34+: Lion in winter: None.
If they let Delly walk (what is his role on this team? presumably as in previous years, backup point, some veteran presence), Love is really out on a plank, generationally speaking, and will be the only survivor of the early version of the title-run Cavs as far as I can see. Nice breakdown anyway. Will be interested to see how everything fits together and if they can start beating up on the Pistons again (who defends Blake or Drummond? are any guards on the Cavs squad as good as Reggie Jackson), that’s my personal benchmark for relevance at this point.
Let me throw my two cents about the Cavs draft. I didn’t love the Garland pick because if he is as bad as advertised on defense and he probably will be given he is a rookie, then putting him on one of the worse defensive teams of all time and pairing him with another sub-par perimeter defender in Sexton and without much rim protection, you are setting him and the team for failure. I can’t stress enough how much I believe that more than the talent of each rookie, the environment in which they grow makes them successful or not.… Read more »
They must resign Nwaba, and I think they will. It sounds like Wyndler (spelling?) may be a decent defender. I think the Hawks went after Hunter because they knew that next years draft was weak on wings.
If that’s true about next year’s draft then maybe we should have targeted a wing too. Of course, we should resign Nwaba but he isn’t enough defensively. We have too many minus defenders. Only if Cedi makes a leap on D we have a chance to be semi competent on perimeter D.
Plus, the Hawks are set at PG (Young), SG (Huerter, sp?), and PF (Collins).
So the drafted a combo SF/PF (Hunter), another G/F type (Reddish), and a C (Fernando).
Build a roster intelligently. None of this BPA nonsense.
Yeah, I loved the Hawks draft. Common sense.
I get the best player available school of thought but there has to be some semblance of a fit. Unless of course the FO doesn’t believe that Sexton is a long term solution, which I doubt.
Sure.
Now, if you think there is a large gap between prospects, or if, as you say, you are not sold on the guy you have, then go for it.
But I do not think there is a big gap between Garland & Culver.
Plus, it seems the Cavs were swayed by the workout. Which always worries me.
If that is the case then that is almost always bad. Also, from what I have read his stock rose because he didn’t play last season and he was not exposed. So you are drafting solely on potential and one (maybe great) workout. If that is not worrisome then what is?
Honestly that is one argument that is logically flawed. Some freshmen actually produce better over their freshmen season because they develop. We have no idea what Garland does by the end of the season.
He did play last season so there is in game tape on him. His stock had risen before he started working out based on that scouting footage.
I saw the workout quote. That is problematic. Only time will tell.
I have come around to being fine with the draft because of the Wyndler and Porter Jr picks. It doesn’t hurt that I like Garland in a vacuum. We’ll see if we have to trade one of Sexton or Garland in 3 or so years. At that point you have to hope they’ve proven themselves offensively enough to get a good return.
Their defense will likely be NBA’s worst next season, or very close to it.
I like Windler, but a concern is who is going to set him up? I expect Garland to be a turnover machine, and Sexton’s strength is obviously not facilitating. I’d hate to see Windler potential shooting kind of wasted.
We’ll see, maybe Garland will be a star, who knows. I would have gone with a Wing defender in this draft. As it is, they took zero defenders.
I have no opinion on Wyndler. I only know he is a terrific shooter and a sub-par defender. Part of this draft’s theme for the Cavs.
He apparently was a pretty good defender in college. In the NBA probably not, but perhaps passable, anyway.
Yeah the playmaking thing is concerning. You gotta hope delly rubs off or handles a fair amount of running the offense.
I kind of think that the Cavs would have taken Garland, even if Hunter was available.
This podcap should be retitled: “Soaking up the wisdom”.
I thought the reporting stated that Gilbert has OK’d Altman to go into the tax to get assets.
Now Koby talks of pain thresholds and getting under the tax?
Either something changed, the initial reporting is wrong, or what teams were offering was guys with multiple years left & we did not want long term contracts.
Or Kobe is trying to let teams know we are fine with just letting JR’s deal expire. Hell, if we do, we could even use an exception on a FA. I think.
IIRC, Altman stated that teams weren’t offering enough, that it would cost a “premium” to take on bad contracts.
Also, I’m no cap expert, but I believe getting under the tax apron this year would end the repeater tax considerations.
Yeah just because Gilbert gave the OK to go over the cap doesn’t mean Altman should go over the cap – especially for a lottery team.
Under the threshold, not the apron. But yeah, we were under last year and two clean years in a row would help a ton.
I have no problem just letting some of these expirings go. I do not want 6 “bad contracts” on the team that are not a part of the future. 2-3 max.
We still need some D. Koby talked of giving Garland & Sexton help on D with lengthy wing players who can switch. Other than LNJ, we do not have any. Cedi/Windler/Love do not fit the bill.
https://twitter.com/glennonsports/status/1141895111082684416?s=20
https://twitter.com/Stadium/status/1141862716384190464?s=20
Huh. Had no idea Stack was Vandy head coach.
Just hired.
As others have mentioned, I enjoyed Koby Altman’s insights revealed in his presser. Most interesting IMO was the involvement of Beilein in the draft evaluation process. It sounded like he was a tremendous asset, serving two important functions. First, Altman mentioned that Beilein’s system was the “lens” that helped identify which players to target. Apparently, Beilein’s coaching forte is offense, and he runs a “four out one in” offensive system. The system generates 3pt shots as well as space around the basket for easy shots at the rim via cuts, drives, or post ups. Second interesting thing Altman mentioned about… Read more »
Agreed
Next years draft looks to be pretty heavy on PG’s.
Yeah, which is why targeting a PG next year made much more sense. But it is what it is at this point.
It’s way too early, but I’m hoping more wings become available.
Doesn’t sound like the Cavs will use the JR contact: 30. Smith has been excommunicated from the team since late November, but the Cavs never cut him because they viewed his contract as a valuable trade chip. Only about $4 million of his more than $15 million salary for next season is guaranteed, and a team looking to clear cap space could acquire him and cut him, saving about $11 million. The Cavs recently thought his contract was so valuable that it could get them back into the first round of this year’s draft. 31. There was no trade for… Read more »
I’ve been expecting this since they couldn’t move it draft night. Really sucks.
I was hoping they’d be able to move it for a pick in next years draft. Oh well. Maybe they can get something for TT?
Vardon sounds suspect there since recent press had said the Cavs didn’t want to use JR on this draft, they wanted a future pick. I still believe Altman’s presser was him telling other teams “we aren’t desperate to trade the contract, so if you want it, pay up.”
For how long are the Cavs still paying Ty Lue?
Gotta say watching Zion in interviews throughout this season and during/after the draft, this kid may be the most personable super prospect that I can remember. No traces of ego. Humble. Seems to genuinely enjoy everything. Well spoken. Always smiling. Has a motor. Plays hard the whole game. Kid is crazy likable for a guy with so much hype and talent.
Pelicans are incredibly lucky to a get a guy with that talent and personality. Definitely will be tuning in to their games and Memphis next year since I actually get Memphis games where I am.