Live Thread: Cavs vs. Pelicans
2021-03-12Pelicans coach Stan Van Gundy had few kind words to spare for his squad in the aftermath of their blowout loss to the often-blownout Minnesota Timberwolves last night. “We didn’t have any energy in practice yesterday, either. It was one of the worst practices I have been a part of in my career…Our problem is sustaining; our problem is that it is a 48-minute game.”
The other problem is that it is a long season, and the Pelicans are looking at significant territory to recoup if they are going to be competitive. Certainly expectations are high, a point which is best made, like so many points about the NBA, by an old friend to the Cavs, current Pelicans GM David Griffin. Speaking upon the occasion of having hired Stan Van Gundy in October 2020, Griffin said:
[Stan] has proven he’s going to win an awful lot of regular season games, winning almost 66 percent of his games in Orlando, better than 60 percent of his games in Miami and for his career, he has a winning percentage above .500 in the playoffs, which is really, really rare. This is a proven winner who can win right now.
Should readers of the blog be wondering if Griff’s projections are thus far playing out, the Pelicans currently have a winning percentage of .405 (with 15 wins and 22 losses). They are resting at the bottom of the rather large middle tier of the Western conference, which is Sacramento Kings territory. The only two teams keeping them presently from the basement status of the conference are the Houston Rockets (11-24) and the Minnesota Timberwolves (8-29).
Here’s Griff riffing for half an hour just before the season started on the “grit, toughness, and a defensive identity” that he wanted the Pelicans to embody this season. (If anyone would like to compare Griff with Cavs GM Koby Altman, who hasn’t given the media a full half-hour of availability since about September 2020, see here.)
One of Griffin and Van Gundy’s key pieces, Zion Williamson, seemed to shrug off the bad loss to the worst team in the NBA:
I still feel the same as I did before the All Star Break. I do still feel like we are almost there. I hate to say it but this, this is the NBA, man. Losses like this happen every so often — not a lot — but every so often, but, you know [starts shaking head], we got to come in tomorrow, ready to play, and, you know, hopefully we will show the world why I said what I said.
[…] Who said it was a bad practice? [Laughs.] Well it was to be expected a little bit. Guys were enjoying the All Star Break. You know it is a long and rigorous season; a lot of guys were probably just resting and enjoying the time with their families or whoever they spend their time with.
If this sounds like dysfunctional underperformance in a ruthlessly competitive Western Conference, it bears reminding that the Pelicans are running just barely ahead of the Cavs in wins and losses. Both teams need to scrap for wins if they are going to be in play-in territory, or, failing that, to default to the omnipresent organization language wherein “building a winning culture” actually means not losing games by insulting margins and having some semblance of a plan as to how to inbound the basketball.
In other news, the Cavs have yet to trade Andre Drummond, and 36-year-old sharpshooter J.J. Reddick (himself the subject of trade rumors) is out for at least a week with heel inflammation. For those looking for additional soap opera angles, Drummond played for Stan Van Gundy in Detroit for several years, but these were apparently harmonious, which is yet more confirmation that Drummond is a good human being.
Larry Nance, Jr., is back in the lineup, Taurean Prince banged his shoulder in practice and is out against New Orleans, and there has been some contractual movement at the guard position.
#Cavs will sign Quinn Cook to a 10-day contract tomorrow and he is expected to make his debut Friday night in New Orleans as Darius Garland is banged up and Matthew Dellavedova remains out. Signing Cook tomorrow maximizes his time with the team. https://t.co/gfxFJlsins
— Chris Fedor (@ChrisFedor) March 11, 2021
Kevin Love, who is on a $31,000,000 contract this year, practiced with the team yesterday, as did Darius Garland, but it is unclear if either will play tonight.
If the Pelicans have squandered anything like momentum out of the gates of the All Star Break and are eager to notch their first win after the break, the Cavs still have a blank sheet of paper upon which they can map out a new destiny. Since anything is possible, the Cavs organization put together a short music video that is heavy on verbs, hope, and emotionally manipulative music.
Tomorrow. We're back. See you soon 👊 pic.twitter.com/6ab0Ue6Zry
— Cleveland Cavaliers (@cavs) March 12, 2021
What is professional basketball about, anyway? Making enough threes and finding a defensive scheme that works to win games, or getting chills as you watch JaVale McGee rev up his teammates in black-and-white slow motion before running like a wild banshee into an empty stadium? Sometimes the propaganda hits just where it is meant to. On the other hand, sometimes the same videos that give you chills also flick you with horrific (if temporary) visions, like when they emblazon the word “Build” in gold across the chest of Damyean Dotson.
Here’s a guy who knew something about timing, and when to go big.
So great https://t.co/81YXSGHXim
— HoopsDogg (@oldseaminer) March 11, 2021
When the ball drops tonight it will be up to the Cavs to push back for a change against one of the more moveable walls in the Western Conference. Tipoff is at 8 p.m. EST.
FACTORY OF SADNESS DOING ANOTHER ‘BUTCHER” JOB ON ICE —–THEIR WRITERS JUST FLAT OUT DO NOT LIKE HIM I THINK ——I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN MORE IMPROVEMENT OFFESIVELY —BUT OVERALL STILL THINK IT IS WAY TOO EARLY LIKE “THEY // FACTORY ) ARE ALMOST CALLING HIM A BUST —–HOPE THIS MOTIVATES ICE
THANKS CLF—-DOES NOT SURPRISE TO SEE WHERE THE CAVS ARE —–FIGURED THEY WOULD BE DEAD LAST ——-DOTHEY IN BOUNDING EFFICIENCY —-I KNOW WE ARE DEAD LAST IN THAT CATEGORY ………..’MORE BEER PLEASE “—–GOING TO WATCH BUCKEYES / ILLINI GAME—HOW MANY OF YOU SEE ANOTHER DRE IN COCKBURN
https://twitter.com/corner3sports/status/1371170091971268615?s=20
Well by that the cavs aren’t the worst based on their normal versus oot TS. Sixers, yikes…
Doc!!! LMFAOOO also SVG and Nurse on fraud alert LMFAOOOO
JUST ADDING TO THE KPJ POSTS —-YES I AM FRUSTRATED KPJ/ CAVS COULDN’T WORK THIS OUT BUT ALSO REALLY HAVE TO BELIEVE THINGS WERE SO BAD // CAVS KNEW // HAD BELIEF THAT THINGS WERE NOT GOING TO IMPROVE AND IT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE GROWTH OF THE TEAM——IN THE FEW GAMES I WATCHED KPJ IN THE G LEAGUE —HE DID DEMONSTRATE THE RAW TALENT BUT EVEN IN G LEAGUE HE DISPLAYED HIS ATTITUDE TOWARDS TEAMMATES // OFFIICIALS AND THE LACK OF HUSTLE ON DEFENSE ESPECIALLY AFTER A TO OR BAD CALL——JUST WONDERING HOW LONG OF A LEASH THE… Read more »
Agree with you. To me, his ‘I’m thinking of suicide’ social media post was probably the thing that most concerned the team and probably the league, not that his court case was a good thing but he did manage to extract himself from that (thanks, mom). This isn’t the case of a pouty J.R. Smith throwing soup. Kevin Love can keep on the mental health and self-care beat and I hope he does, but it isn’t Kevin’s job to manage a rookie’s issues. As I said on the last CtB podcast I think the pandemic also exacerbated or accellerated some… Read more »
KPJ with 27 points and 8 assist against Utah, one of the best defensive teams in the league. Unbelievable that we let him go. Inexcusable to me that Koby couldn’t find a way to nurture this kid. We came as far as we did so why quit on him now? Because he yelled at Kirby for giving his locker away. It was disrespectful. Meanwhile we have a team where the only guy that can score the ball is six feet tall.
There were more issues than that. Think the locker room thing was the cherry on top. I don’t think the cavs had any real desire to give him up. After all they spent a first rounder on him. They wanted him and believed in him more than any other team did in that draft. Had to trade to get him. There are probably teams that could have been enough of a stabilizing force to prevent any issues cropping up, but I think that would be a select few. Probably none that aren’t perennial playoff teams like SA. Of course Pop… Read more »
there is a reason why the Cavs couldn’t get anything for him. Everyone knows he is a head case and a bad one at that.
hopefully make tomorrow watchable,
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1370910902317355009?s=20
AD is out “at least” two more weeks with his calf strain.
Often, calf strain is code for achilles, a teams are going to be cautious after KD.
AD is screwed, it’s a degenerative thing he has supposedly from what I’ve heard.
watched almost the first half and then it started getting ridiculous…Cavs have a lot of holes and team looked asleep despite a lot of time off to get energized.
saw a lot kpj chatter on Twitter – Cavs effed that up – nothing more nothing less – team needs a 2 or 3 guy that can score in multitude of ways – the days of cedi and windler and okoro are limited…okoro will become something and windler is a bench guy – beyond that Cavs have nothing.
From stuff I’ve heard, KPJ effed that up. And he might eff it up again in Houston.
yup… perimeter creation is something Koby’s completely ignoring because of Sexland. Should be fired for passing up SGA and now Halliburton.
DID A ‘CLF ‘ SIMMO THAT IS GREAT—-AN YES I AGREE WITH YOUR OPINION OF CAVS TRADING KPJ—–HE PROBABLY STEPPED ‘OVER THE LINE “TOO OFTEN // DIDN’T SHOW MUCH REMORSE OR POTENTIAL TO CHANGE AND CAVS WANTING TO CREATE THE RIGHT CULTURE —-BUT WOW IF HE (KPJ ) DOES GET HIS HEAD ON STRAIGHT THE ROCKETS MADE ONE HELL OF A DEAL—–GUESS “ROLL THE DICE “
Well it was out state election here today, so I was out and about voting and chowing down on what we Aussies call “democracy sausages”. Voting and bbq meats go well together.
Missed 99% of this game, and the 1% I did catch…well let’s just say I washed my hands thoroughly afterwards.
Get better, Cavs….please.
LMAO @ democracy sausages LMAOOOOO
JUST WOKE UP —–YEP I GUESS I WASN’T DREAMING// NIGHTMARE —IT WAS REAL —THE CAVS DISASTER —WHAT IS WORSE IJUST READ KPJ’S BOX SCORE HOLY SH-T 27 / 8 ……..WTF KOBY ——I CAN SEE THIS IS GOING TO EAT AWAY AT ME FOR YEARS TO COME ——MAYBE I AM WRONG BUT CAVS HANDLED HIS SITUATION THE WRONG WAY —————-AND REALIZE IT WAS ONLY 1 GAME AND HE HAD LIMITED MINUTES BUT I CAN’T SEE ANY GM IN THEUR RIGHT MIND TRADING FOR KLOVE ……………HURRY BACK D.G.
KPJ was my fave player. Gave me so much hope for the future growth of the team. But I have to say, I still respect the heck out of the organisation for making the call. They determined that his character was not going to allow team progression in the right direction. I hope he does make it, has a great career. But I suspect the Cavs FO knew more about KPJ than they let on.
yup… as well as KPJ played, he was also showing up his teammates on the court when they wouldn’t pass him the ball last night… justified or not, I’d be concerned about his mental toughness in keeping his emotions in check.
Sounds like a way more talented dion.
probably not a bad comparison at first thought.
Fell asleep on the couch before the 1st quarter was done… looks like I didn’t miss much.
I wish we would’ve kept Clarkson LMFAOOO and Nwaba LMFAOOO what the hell is Koby doing????
insult to injury, KPJ on fire to start the game too.
watching the jazz to cleans the palate LMFAO
Pels’ front line a combined 25-35 from the floor–who owns that problem?
the whole team LMFAO
+/- people, your winner tonight: Brodric Thomas from Truman St. at a healthy +6.
I like his length and his jumper!
Didn’t see the game; not gonna watch the highlights; never heard of him; just found out he’s on the roster.
I wish him well…but is he a serious part of our future, or a fun distraction for the rest of this season?
G league call up, small school guy, probably won’t pan out but he has intriguing length and game.
This game made one thing clear: we cannot be a one-guard team. Garland is probably more important to our success than Sexton.
I don’t think Koby knows what he’s doing, he’s watched Sexton for 2 years and still thinks he can run an offense.
Maybe… Windler can’t shoot? He has shot it well exactly 2 games all year
nah, he can shoot…. just needs to be set up properly, and that’s not gonna happen without Nance or DG on the court.
damn Brodric THomas has a sweet jumper!
I remain impressed by Windler’s movement on D.
We should not pay Sexton.
oh shit, just saw Cedi yelling at somebody, looked like Sexton.
literally never seen Cedi that pissed in my entire life.
Good to see some passion. They should be angry.
100% correct!!!
What year was it we were losing 100-60 in the 3rd quarter? Holy crap worse loss of the season by far. Embarrassing
Fedor going overtime on twitter with the spin LMFAOOOOO
Checking back in…..oh, goodness. Maybe I shouldn’t have.
it’s a glorious shitshow Simmo!!! LMFAOOOOO
Any positives?
Nance??? LMFAOOO he looks good.. healthy.
Love played a little. That’s about it.
outrebounded by 28 LMFAOOOOO
Embiid might’ve just shredded his knee, looked awful.
Pelicans just trhowing up junk and making it.
LMFAOOOOO DAMN MCGEE NICE OOP!
I about guarantee this is some kind of record for worst shooting quarter in nba history
No one getting into the defense just throwing it around and taking horrible shots
Cedi block!
Yeah. Even i gotta bail.
LMFAOOOO can’t blame ya!
NICE BLOCK WADE!
Alright I think Zion isn’t going to play much more. So that’ll do pig. That’ll do. I’m out.
have a good night John!
damn not really any good games tonight…. Pacer Lakers I guess.
7 points in 9 minutes so far???
Making pels look like one of the best d in the league instead of one of the worst.
1 of 16 ?!?!?! Oh my god
LMFAOOOOOO i think they’ve only scored 7 points in the 3rd quarter.
1/20 right now
4 on 1 fastbreak and…. shot clock violation
Yeah that made me laugh.
Did anyone practice shooting?
Not sure anyone did anything. I get it, but damn….
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1370564134715146244?s=20
Because there is no offense….
Down 30 is enough for me too. Done
same, gonna see what else is out there… have a good night!
OK —HAVE SEEN ENOUGH —WILL CATCH UP WITH ALL OF YOU SUNDAY///ATLANTA // YOUNG WILL BE OUT TO ‘TORCH ‘ SEXTON AND THE CAVS ——–DOG BARKIN ALREADY ——WILL AT LEAST I THINK IT WAS THE DOG—-LATER GUYS
take it easy NOMAD!!! enjoy the evening!
Ingram just on fire. Making look easy.
I REALLY DO THINK HE IS PISSED —ESPECIALLY AT SEXTON // OTHER PLAYERS NOT DEFENDING BETTER AND AT THE OTHER END NOT RUNNING SOME KIND OF OFFENSE
Out of timeout offense somehow looks even worse
It’s brutal. Anything out of bounds is cringeworthy.
Allen is doggin it.
told ya
Yeah I think you and clf are right.
This is ugly.
At least I get to watch Zion.
JUST MY SARCASTIC TONGUE ON OVERDRIVE TONIGHT NATE —I WILL SETTLE DOWN
You’re fine. I’m just givin it back.
DG only guard worth watching play on this team.
Sexton really needs to have a lead guard and good passing playmaker with him the majority of the time.
Sexton really needs to get traded LMFAOOO i’m tired of watching him play.
Or be a sixth man.
THE DOG AND THE MRS NOMAD ARE GETTING WORRIED
see ya later NOMAD have fun!
nice pass Sexton, first assist of the game!
I knew Cavs wouldn’t be able to handle Zion, but too many other guys having their way. Like Hayes. Seriously.
BUT AT LEAST I DO “HAVE A PLAN “
YEP WHEN THE MRS NOMAD TAKES “9-10 DAYS OFF ” I AN A LITTLE RUSTY ALSO
LMFAOOOOOOOO
HEY HOW ABOUT SOME ‘MIGHTY QUINN ” MUSIC NATE —–
I think a lot of this is 9 days off and new guys.
but it’s not new guys LMFAOOO
New guys in the lineup.
They do look rusty. But also the offense is the offense. No plan. Never really has been.
THINK ALLEN IS PISSED FOR HAVING TO COVER UP FOR SO MANY OTHER PLAYERS MISTAKES // LACK OF HUSTLE // ETC
TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU JOHNB —-WHICH IS FRUSTRATING TO SEE SINCE THEY HAD 9-10 DAYS TO DEVELOP SOME KIND OF OFFENSIVE CONTINUITY // FLOW
They had one practice. They deserved the time off. You cant simultaneously carp for Cade and root for wins.
Competitiveness would be nice. Losses are going to come no matter what.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO TRADE BOTH SEXTON // D.G. FOR CADE —–BEEN WATCHING HIM LATELY —HE IS A GAME CHANGER —-COULD PLAY ALL 4 POSITIONS WITH NO PROBLEMS
I don’t think anyone is trading him or the number one pick for anything less than a superstar.
well that’s because you’re smart NOMAD unlike the majority of Cavs fans!!!! LMFAOOOOO
I feel like this team really has never had any idea of what they’re doing on offense. Like they only know how to run pick and roll. Everything else is a happy accident. Not planned.
Holy crap I forgot Joe Taits last season was that absolutely horrendous 2011 team. Featuring Christian Eyenga, JJ Hickson, Ramon Sessions…. wooosh
no wonder he wanted nothing to do with the team or game after that!!!
I think that might have been when his health problems started.
there was that, but he was quoted as saying he hated what the product became.
Well would have been tough to go from Lebron to that the next year.
he complained about the whole entertainment product the game became
But yeah, I think he definitely left because LeBron left LFMAOOO
I mean he was already like 74 by that point so probably seemed like a good time to retire. He couldn’t have known lbj would come back.
yup, also there was the health problems with his wife too from what was reported.
https://twitter.com/cwmwrites/status/1370558554197913602?s=21
LMFAOOOO McGee and Allen are on strike!!!
WILL WATCH 1ST FEW MIN’S OF 2ND HALF—SEE IF THERE IS A REASON TO CONTINUE THE ‘TORTURE ” MIGHT BE AN EARLY……”KISS THE DOG –PET THE WIFE NIGHT ” ——THEY ARE BOTH HOPING THE CAVS PLAY BETTER THE 2ND HALF OTHERWISE IT IS ‘TORTURE ‘ FOR THEM
Ingram just torched Okoro.
Sexton passed the ball behind his back to allen who was behind him on the perimeter. Now what would the point of that be?
Hilarious there are Cavs fans who think Sexton deserves a max contract and they wouldn’t trade him for Cade Cunningham LMFAOOOOO
MAYBE I WAS BEING OVERLY OPTIMISTIC—BUT EXPECTED A BETTER SHOWING AFTER LEENGTHY ALL STAR BREAK
At the 3:45 mark cavs have 45 points. Just looked at the halftime score. So I am about to watch 3 points of offense in 3:45 minutes to end the qtr.
ALLEN FRUSTRATED
Obvious fact. But still, fact.
https://twitter.com/chrisfedor/status/1370554431171923969?s=21
Somehow he’ll figure out a way to absolve Sexton!!!
Cavs outrebounded 29-16, outassisted 18-7
GLAD THE CAVS SPENT THE ALL STAR BREAK WORKING ON THEIR OFFENSIVE GAME /// CONTINUITY …………….HEY VINTAGE ….”MORE BEER PLEASE “