Preview & Live Thread: Cavs vs. Knicks
2023-04-15 Off By Nate SmithHappy Saturday, Cavs’ fans. The spring peepers are in full effect as the sounds of the frogs looking for love echo across the Great Lakes. In Cleveland, the New York Knicks have arrived to take on the Cavaliers in Cleveland’s first LeBron-less playoff series in 25 years. Isaac Okoro (knee) and Julius Randle (ankle) are both listed as questionable for game one, and I find it more likely that Randle plays than Okoro (don’t mess around with young guys’ knees – just don’t). First off, let’s go to Ben Werth for a breakdown of the most task prospect for the Cavs’: stopping Jalen Brunson, which led to a spirited debate among the CtB Faithful.
Ben Werth: 51 wins. Dope. Having to see Mitchell get roasted by Jalen Brunson, not ideal. Some guys just can’t solve their opponents. Durant can’t solve Dean Wade’s D, (I’ll never stop beating that drum) and Donovan Mitchell just can’t stop Jalen Brunson. It wasn’t just his effort level and Gobert acrimony that sunk the Jazz last spring. Mitchell tried more than people thought. He certainly tried when the Cavs played the Knicks a couple weeks ago. Unfortunately, Brunson simply owns Mitchell. DM can’t read Jalen’s moves, isn’t stronger than the guy (a rarity for Spida) and just can’t keep him out of the lane. Brunson is tough on a lot of guys, but he is a God against DM.
The way the Cavs decide to handle that will be interesting. DM didn’t draw Brunson as a primary assignment when they played this season. But Brunson tried to get DM switched onto him when it was possible. If I’m coaching, I might go a bit weird and have actually have Mitchell start on Brunson to eliminate a scrambled post switch defense on the backend. If they start Okoro on Randle who does most of his damage off the dribble anyway, that PnR is rendered useless.
If Mobley checks Barrett (who will happily shoot the Knicks out of the series if EM drifts too far), the Cavs might be able to overload enough at the start of possessions and limit Knicks ball and man movement since they will already have a matchup they like. Brunson will still toast DM, but we would be forcing Barrett to be the man by helping off of him early with EM. Brunson can beat the Cavs in a series. Barrett can’t. Robinson isn’t a skilled enough mid-roll threat to prevent the Cavs from blitzing if Brunson brings him and Allen into PnR. Brunson might go for 45 or Barrett could get hot from three, but I still think it might be better than getting there after a scramble.
Sidenote: Rubio, Cedi, Wade, Mobley, and Allen was an incredible lineup the other night that was defensively terrifying. My god was that fun to watch if you like long-armed peel backs and closed passing lanes. Rubio, even lost injury, is a fantastic defender and my favorite Wade is on the wing where he can use his feet and also help on the glass. I don’t think we have seen a lineup with Tower city without LeVert, Garland, and/or DM, but if the Cavs need one stop, I am leaning towards that with Okoro in for Cedi or Ricky depending on matchup.
Nate Smith: I literally called that lineup out in the podcast, and was overruled by Eli and Chris who said one of Mitchell and Garland need to be on at all times (and I had Wade at the four and Danny Green at the wing for shooting), but I agree. Cavs need to be unafraid to play big and play mean. If Llama plays, I want 5 hard fouls. They have to beat up Brunson and the Knicks.
Chris Francis: Ben’s talking about one possession, which isn’t what we were talking about on the pod IIRC… one possession to get a stop without DG or DM is fine, but it’s ludicrous to think they should go without DG or DM for extended run.
Nate: I don’t think it’s ludicrous in the right situations, but it likely won’t happen regardless.
Ben: I would have tried it more in the regular season, but there is no chance JB does it in the playoffs. Maybe he goes sans DM and Garland, but if he does, LeVert will certainly get the nod. In any case, Wade at three is difficult to get to without Love on the squad. Fine, but a bit of a bummer.
I have loved DM’s and DG’s effort this season and smarts (especially DG), but there is little chance both are out there in a big defensive possession.I would use Stevens on Randle some, but otherwise this should be a Wade and Cedi series…
Nate: I noted on the pod that unless New York goes very small, two of Wade, Mobley, and Allen have to be on the floor at all time for rebounding. Though raw numbers give Stevens a slight advantage in rebounding and rebounding percentage, Wade’s offensive production and height give him the advantage. The advanced stats bear it out.
I’m with Ben on Ricky. But I want the Cavs to play bigger. I worry the Cavs will choose the worst of both worlds, and not play Cedi, Raul, and Dean enough. Every time I start feeling confident about the series. I read a Fedor piece about Stevens featuring prominently in the rotation, and I am almost glad Okoro is hurting and he won’t be as tempted to play them both at once.
To me, this is JB’s series to lose, and Donovan’s series to win. Let’s hope the Cavs have figured out the rebounding and Brunson and notch the first win tonight.
P.S. A little more calculator ratting brought to you by CLF…
The Knicks are one of the best isolation offense teams (ranked 7th) in the NBA, and it’s a staple of their offense (top 4 in usage in the NBA). Individual on-ball defense is going to massive for the Cavs, especially since the Knicks will try to hunt DG or Spida on those plays.
The Cavs are top 3 in the NBA in offensive efficiency in transition offense, but they’re in the bottom third of the NBA in frequency. It’s imperative the Cavs rebound on defense so that they can run against scrambled defenses.
The Cavs are also one of the best pick and roll teams in the NBA, and it’s obviously the staple of their offense. Expect the Knicks to try and blitz the pick and roll to prevent DG and Spida from going off, this is the time for Evan Mobley to shine as a playmaker and scorer on the roll. The Cavs roll men are ranked 27th in offensive efficiency, so hopefully Coach J.B. Bickerstaff has had the bigs work on their roll/pop/pass game.
Both the Knicks and Cavs are elite at off-ball cutting on offense, and it’s something both squads should look to do more. Cavs should have an edge in this department because they’re the better passing team. Hopefully they exploit the Knicks deficiency in that department.
In lineup data, here are the top 10 five man lineups on the season for the Cavs that saw more than 33 minutes on the season, of which there are only 18 of them:
Here’s the worst five man lineups with the same minutes criteria:
What does the data say? It suggests Cedi Osman, Caris LeVert, and to a lesser extent, Dean Wade will be critical to the success of the Cavs this post-season. It also suggests the Cavs could struggle with Isaac Okoro and Lamar Stevens on the floor. Can Bickerstaff strike a balance between offense and defense? Time will tell… Go Cavs!
Down 9.. we need to start scoring and getting stops .
BIG SHOT GARLAND
Great pass Osman.
Allen and mobly are getting pushed all over the place by back ups
A damn shame.
12-3 run by Knicks after we tied it up (before that DG 3).
Turnovers killing us…
Down 5.. we need to go on a run
CEDI CLUTCH THANK YOU FOR FINALLY PUTTING HIM JB
Ced thank god
These refs. F them. Bullshit
We needed that 3
Bad transition defense…let’s them get to the rim and then don’t rebound and foul by Cedi.
They’re free…you should take them…
Knicks 15-18, Cavs 7-13…
Every time we tie.. NY makes a shot.. we need to make 3-4 stops in a row.
GET THE DAMN REBOUND JESUS
DARIUS GARLAND DONOVAN MITCHELL TWO MAN
Okoro giving them nothing on offense.
Monley has to just take a half second and pass.
Knicks live on turnovers…Cavs could go a long way just taking care of the ball…
Exactly… it’s stuff they can control… can’t make it even harder on themselves.
DONOVAN MITCHELL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
DAMMIT DG TWO GOOD LOOKS
SPIDA TO JA
Sorry I’ve been mia
Hopefully were right there.
Same here…finally a moment to watch
DARIUS GARLAND
Big layup and and-1 opportunity for DG.
GET THE DAMN REBOUND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
We’re gonna be saying that a lot this series…
There ya go, DG…
GARLAND WHAT A STEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!! RAGE TIMEOUT THIBS
GET THE DAMN REBOUND
Man, sloppy…but works out for Cavs…
Finally something going our way…
Coach Buck always keeping it a Buck!
Points in the Paint:
Knicks 22 (11/21),
CAVALIERS 16 (8/19)
2nd Chance Points:
Knicks 8 (2/6),
CAVALIERS 8 (3/6)
Fast Break Points:
Knicks 11 (4/6),
CAVALIERS 6 (2/5)
Cavs got killed in transition in the first half. They have to do a better job getting back in the second half or they have no shot.
Man our bench tho… sad panda
Really sucks that I went on Bally Sports Ohio and a baseball game was on, so I’m stuck listening to the ESPN feed.
We are killing ourselves with the turnovers and missed opportunities at the rim..
Caris : 1/4 in the paint
Mobley: 1/4 in the paint
Non caris and Mobley in the paint: 5/5
two wide open layups completely missed (LeVert and Rubio)
yepp those hurt
Cavs played as shitty as they could’ve only down 5, problem is Knicks played about as bad LMFAO
But teams shooting 39 and 38%.. but what is helping the Knicks is points off turnovers.. they have 16 of their 50 points off of our 8 turnovers and we only have 3 points off of their 8 turnovers.. that’s 13 points alone.
Brunson on bench most of half and we are down 5 . Not good. Mitchell is balling as expected. Everyone else is not.
Refs really letting them play.
Only when it’s benefitting the Knicks.. ..
We are lucky to only be down 5..
LMFAOOOOOOOO LETS GOOOOOO DEFENSE BABYYYYYY
GET THE DAMN REBOUND
THANK YOU ICE AND DG
Hard Rock should have 15 fouls by now
Spida only one showing that dawg and fire 🔥!!
I’d like to see a few other Cavs join Donnie at this game…
Yep,not much help.
Mitchell bringing it!
HOLY SHIT SPIDA EN FUEGO
Spida!!!
Down 8… if we tie it up or take a 1-2 point lead, that would be a great way to end the half.
Feel like there’s too much time btw the end of the season and the playoffs.
Less than a week.. our last game was on Sunday.. which feels like a long time ago since the core players didn’t play.
WHAT A SHOT MITCHELL
Maybe that’ll wake up the Cavs
Randall is a tool!
Mobley with the defensive stop…
We need some easy shots for tower city..
Good defense Mobley
Okoro is hurt
OK MITCHELL LETS SEE THE 50 PIECE
If you needed to cast someone as an Ebenezer Scrooge-like character, Thibs is your man.
So did the refs discuss that no matter how much contact there is on Allen they will not call a foul on the knicks under any circumstance
SHOOT THE DAMN BALL CEDI OR CARIS
Feel like Mitchell is gonna have to go off to pull this off
I feel so too.
Everyone on the Cavs is afraid to shoot the 3
Cavs getting to the paint and missing bunnies…
7/10 in the restricted area
0/5 the rest of the paint.
HOW IS THAT A FOUL ON THE CAVS AND NOT THE KNICKS??????????????
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Cedi sighting…
Knicks bench 11
Cavs bench: 5
JB would make a great assistant coach
https://twitter.com/Reflog_18/status/1647371332701519874?s=20
Should have been a foul called there
WHAT A FINISH MITCHELL!!!! WHERES THE CALL REF??????????/