Finals Live Thread: Cavs @ Warriors, Game 2 (#doingwhatyoudo)
2017-06-04The Warriors had 56 points in the paint in game one. They had 21 points off of turnovers. They had 18 second chance points.i
Each of those numbers needs to come down in game two. No matter what the Cavs do, they must work on controlling the ball after misses, defending the paint, and protecting the ball. There’s lots of reasons they have to do those things. For one, they help win basketball games. But really, it’s because those are the things the Cavs can be better than the Warriors at.
The Warriors are known for whipping the ball around, hitting 3s, and running. The Cavs are known for hitting 3s too, but only after a hard drive and kick, or on ball screen. In a lot of ways, when these teams are both at their best, they are doing their damage from deep. Often times, it’s impossible to stop them from raining 3s, no matter the defensive scheme is. There’s a reason the Cavs are number one in 3-point percentage this post season and the Warriors are number four.
In game one the Cavs, allowed the Warriors to hit just 12 3s. That was solid, but it came at the expensive of the above mentioned areas. Areas the Cavs can win at.
The Wine and Gold need to not worry about stopping the inevitable 3s that will come by sacrificing rebounding to get out to shooters, or running to shooters and giving up dunks on fast breaks. The Warriors will hit their long ball one game. The Cavs will too.
Cleveland can protect the rim against the Warriors. The Warriors aren’t looking to kill you with drives. The want to get back cuts, get out in transition , and hit 3s. Cleveland doesn’t have to worry about some over the top jumping dunk dude. There’s no guy one the Warriors whose number skill is getting into the paint necessarily. Why let them dominate down low? The Cavs can own the paint. Kyrie Irving can get to the rack. Tristan Thompson can roll hard. LeBron James can post up, use his shoulder on drives, or roll to the rim.
Cleveland is also definitively the better rebounding team. Kevin Love had 21 by himself in game one. Tristan Thompson is usually able to snag five or six offensive boards a night, and LeBron James can grab how ever many boards he decides too. The Cavs out rebounded the Warriors by nine in game one and that’s including the 15 offensive boards they gifted Golden State. Cleveland has out boarded teams by four per night in the playoffs. The Warriors just 1.8 per night in the playoffs.
The Cavs are also much better at protecting the ball. Statistically both teams play semi-loose given their turnovers per game this season, but the Warriors will play very lose and fast the more comfortable they get in a game. They also pass the ball much more than Cleveland.
Cleveland throws one or two passes before they shoot the ball. There’s not as much that can go wrong. They can focus more on each action offensively because they aren’t doing as much as Golden State. And, they must do that. Their transition defense is awful, so why not stop transition ball from happening as often by not turning it over?
If you still don’t believe that the turovers, points in the paint, and rebounds are really what matters for Cleveland, let’s look at the simple math. The Warriors took 106 shots on Thursday. The Cavs took just 86. If both teams take the same number of 3s, and hit the same percentage from the floor, who is going to win the game? The Cavs need the math to be in their favor, no matter how their offense is doing.
I’m picking the Cavs to clean up their act tonight. They’ve got this game, 113-101.
Another bad start to the third quarter, tsk
Seems to be their signature…
KEVIN!
Lebron or Kyrie rarely gets the calls Curry get, wow
Just like that, up by 8.
Irving died on that pick for the wide open curry 3
4 on JR is a good thing. He has been awful.
God, the dubs are such unrepentant b**ches.
Rather see Shump than JR right now…
Jr has been awful on offense and defense in both games
Donkey was in the lane before LeBron shot that free throw…he like a child
Another dumb foul, but zaza held JR
Cannot believe Brothers made it on grading as a Finals ref
Horse**** call. Take out his legs if they’re gonna do that, JR.
Tony Brothers is a disgrace to the profession…
JR needs to sit.
Good god, JR…
Nice find by Bron to Kev!
Great ba k pick by JR.
I gotta say… this is a much more pleasant viewing experience with the sound off…
I only turn it on when there is a contested call
Just did the same! :)
Let me help you: “MAMA THERE GOES THAT MAAAAN!!!”
The Celtic were double teaming TT on the glass, but not the Dubs for the most part. Can’t really see what Tristan isn’t more effective on rebounding.
F’ing refs… Yeah, let zaza just grab JR no call.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/871539381173198848
Lebron playing one of the best halves in NBA Finals history
It’s a joke that Steph has been to the line 10 times…
And LeBron only 4.
I’m not laughing….
Are we surprised? The warriors and curry are the NBA’s darlings and most heavily marketed team.
Three stupid fouls for 8 of them. All legit. Zero in the 2nd quarter.
Bet the warriors double LBJ hard and past the three point line in the second half and try to force someone else to create shots for other people.
Some things to clean up, but this dubs team is gonna get frustrated when the Cavs don’t go away. Expect to see some threes in the second half when the defense backs off to stop the drives. Let’s hope Kyrie starts bringing it. Love what i saw from Kevin that half.
He was good in the paint but is getting shutdown on the glass like TT is.
I just hope they don’t lose control the first five minutes of the third…Dubs kicking it around the gym a lot tonight, Cavs could really help themselves by not turning it over. Try to get the 4th foul on Bray early…
if Kyrie steps up to where he should be….Cavs should be in good shape….while I sorta understand leaving some guys open….i don’t like it since every Warriors player is hitting anything
I’ve gotta say I’m going full Cold…these guys are total frauds. Without KD we’d be owning them this year
*full COLS!
kyrie shows up like he should we may be winning right now by near double digits….just crazy that the Cavs are right there with this team….no team is every ‘unbeatable’ we all learned that last year.
If TT is not dominating the offensive glass, he hurts us. Love’s D has been good.
Why does our offense look so different against warriors? Are they that good of individual defenders opposed to Celtics?
I would say yes. Bray and Klay alone are better defenders than anyone on Celtics…not even mentioning Durant…
I think the key as announcers were pointing out is with Steph and KD on offense​ Klay and ISIS can literally focus 90% on defense and any offense is gravy
Yes. They are the best defensive team in the league by far. They are also helped by the refs, likely on purpose from the NBA. Lebron gets calls, but NBA markets warriors over cavs, so against them he and the cavs don’t.
I believe that’s a big part of it. GSW with excellent rotations and very active hands really limit our looks from three and passes in the lane.
Yes. Green, Durant, Thompson, & Iggy are all-defensive level players. Livingston & McGee have great length.
Steve Kerr has a really punchable face. Wonder if smug is his resting facial expression. I get why Jordan decked him in practice all those years ago.
STILL NEED D WILL TO GET UNTRACKED —-WOULD HELP ALOT !!
Cavs in the paint 36-20.. mainly because of Lebron and Love but thats good..
With LeBron’s shot chart, it’s amazing he’s only shot 2 free throws. I thought hitting a guy on the arm while shooting was a foul. I guess not in Oakland
4 free throws – my bad
It’s not amazing. It’s David Stern’s legacy of marketing certain teams and players over others. It bleeds heavily into officiating, perhaps on purpose.
The truth is we are going to have trouble stopping them no matter what we do. TT out opens up the middle. Shump doing a decent job on Durant. Gonna need Kyrie to have a 4-5 minute spurt of scoring/playmaking so James can rest some.
kyrie doing next to nothing….TT might be dead…yet Cavs only down a basket (or two)….get those two along with JR looking somewhat average and we got this
Well, that was a much better quarter… score and pace still favors GS, but maybe they’ve found something with Shump on KD…
solid to be down just 3 but Cavs gotta stop leaving guys wide open…..i don’t care who they are….any warrior can make a shot at home…..fly all over and force them to make shots
Well, stick on Steph, Durant, & Klay. If Green, Iggy, & West fire away from derp, I’ll live with that. Especially if we can get our noses in front. Then those jumpers get pressurized.
Did you guys see what Shump did to Curry when he tried to set a pick on him? Twice? That was highly satisfying
That was indeed nice
Yes. Remember when Curry was hanging on LeBron’s arm (maybe Game 4?) and LeBron just kinda tossed him several feet? That one was good too.
That last possession was bad. No reason to milk clock for a slump 20 footer.
Best Shump has played in awhile !!
I had 67 Dub points at half…I win!! Big bucket by Irving there…
You did.
Great last bucket!!
Warriors with 13 turnovers and still in the lead. Un. Fair.
If we were hitting threes we’d be up 10
We haven’t had very many wide wide open threes. A lot have been rushed because of the warriors closing out on single pass shots.
If refs were willing to call the fouls LeBron gets hit with EVERY FREAKING PLAY, we would be up by 10
Shump shoulda passed that…
They could call a foul on Green literally on every LBJ drive…
LeBron owning ISIS
I would say KD is maybe the last guy you want to leave wide open for three… or at least the second to last…
Thompson put two hands on JR and shoved him to the ground. No call.
That was iggy
Yeah… he’s also a pretty good candidate to hit open threes against the Cavs…
I’m glad to see Cavs making much more of a game of it today… Much improved effort
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/871534035130085377
The alley oop to Love…
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/871533431900864512
Cavs have been playing better with TT on the bench. Who would have thunk it
I do really like this Westbrook dew commercial
Shump on Durant was an adjustment that has worked incredibly well.
Slump has been really good so far this quarter.
Did TT get hurt? I missed the first quarter and it looks like he’s only played 8 minutes…
LeBron/Love at center. Much better.
He was certainly playing like it but don’t think so
Not that I’ve noticed…
He was useless. Bad at rebounding and allowed them to defend 4 with 5
LeBron looking tired…
Yeah. But still delivering like nobody else can.
Down 3 with JR & Kyrie not doing much. FTs here for Shump.
Yep. GS keeps expecting Cavs to go away. They won’t.
LeBron is just insane. He’s getting to the rim at will. Cavs playing with better pace tonight. LBJ running after any board he gets. Putting him on non threats is letting him get boards.
So tired of their easy Livingston buckets…
Crazy rebound by JR… be nice to see him hit that shot though…
James is playing great this quarter but he looks tired already. Guessing he will be gassed by the end of the third. Minutes.
Much better D that possession!
C’mon Cavs! Dig deep and close out thee last three minutes. Play like it freaking matters!
Did I miss it? Did Hubie retire??
He won some broadcasting award.
Draymond green is ISIS
So LeBron didn’t get fouled there? Refs are just being assholes today.
Adversity making warriors feel it…
Hanging in. Lets get 4 on Green (or 3 on Curry or Durant) & take the lead.
Was korvers arm not knocked on that three?
What I wouldn’t give for just one of those Korver curl screen threes to go in… sigh
Or that he would get the ‘Harden foul’…gift call…