Finals Live Thread: Game Five, Cavs @ Warriors
2017-06-12Man do I hate the Dubs. I mean nothing gets me as lathered up as a good sports hate, but that team is something else. I spent the last live thread talking about what is so loathsome about Curry, Steph, and KD, and did a liberal amount of quoting from Cullen Galagher’s If You Like the Warriors, You Are a Bad Fan and You Should Feel Bad, Too. I especially appreciated his descriptions of Steph Curry, “whose entire persona can be summed up by the phrase ‘my dad bought this for me,'” mainly because they apply to Klay Thompson too. And we all know that KD is a frontrunning weiner.
But if there’s a proverbial “straw that stirs the drink” for Golden State, it’s Draymond Green. Draymond put on quite a show Friday. From smacking Shump in the head, to picking up two technicals, to getting one rescinded, to clocking Tristan Thompson in the head on a play that wasn’t even reviewed, Dray had quite a night. And remember, Kevin Love got dinged for the weakest flagrant foul call in NBA history after KD whined about getting hit in the noggin.
Draymond also had nothing smart to say after and referred to Clevelanders as “not very sharp,” and then doubling down on that statement again yesterday. It’s safe to say that Dray is a little full of himself. He’s also the key to Cleveland winning this game. Green wants this game desperately, and for all his bravado, you know there’s no way he wants to go back to the North Coast. And Draymond has a history of losing his composure in moments like these. The Cavs need to go at him every second, not necessarily when he’s on defense, but they need to be right next to him goading him at all times. They need pump fakes and prods and pokes in the ribs to try to get himself to do something dumb to get kicked out of the game. And if I’m Richard Jefferson I’m walking near him every time he gets a foul against him and he flails his arm in disgust. Hopefully Dray hits someone and gets himself ejected. I wish they still had Delly.
It’s baffling why Draymond gets the deference he does from NBA officials, because there’s perhaps no one in the NBA who abuses the refs the way ‘Dray does. He intimidates them. The one thing the Cavs need to do is not be intimidated, and they need to be insistent with the refs, without being whiny or lazy on defense. Game four was the first game in which the Warriors didn’t get away with their nonstop defensive fouling. Cleveland must maintain their aggressiveness and put the onus on the officials to make calls or risk this game getting violently out of hand. SI’s Kenny Ducey said it best.
What happened on Friday is best described as shady, just like Dikembe Mutombo prematurely congratulating the 76ers on the first overall pick in the 2016 NBA draft, or the Knicks winning the ’85 lottery. Going back and retroactively removing a foul from Green, keeping him in the game, will live in infamy and fuel even more league conspiracy theories. If anything, it’s making those who truly believe the league influences the outcome of its games and seasons look more rational. Referees need to regain control, and practice transparency and consistency in their calls.
Stopping Green is key because the difference between Green and everyone else at the center spot is stark. Green’s foul trouble has limited Kerr’s ability to play Golden State’s vaunted “Death Lineup.” According to clutchpoints.com, that lineup is killing the Cavs.
The feared lineup has only seen the court for 17 of the total 192 minutes of playing time through four games, netting a 141.7 offensive rating, 69.4 defensive rating.
Meanwhile, Zaza (he who faced no punishment for jabbing at Iman Shumpert’s jewels) was a dumpster fire in game Four, and someone the Cavs will try to consistently exploit in game five. Expect him to play less.
Aside from getting Green to destruct, the key will be maintaining pressure on the Warriors. The longer they aren’t way out in front, the more they’re going to start getting nervous. The question? Will the Dubs’ sense of entitlement, preening, and lack of discipline be their unraveling? God, I hope so.
I would take the same defensive game plan the Cavs had in game one: do not let the shooters get going, even if it means giving up the occasional scrub layup. What needs to change though, is that the Cavs can’t lose KD in transition and just let him go coast to coast (or anyone for that matter).
There are a couple other keys too. First, the Cavs have to start boxing out Steph Curry. He’s averaged over rebounds a game so far in the finals, with double digits in three of the games. It’s also good to do, because leaning on a guy like Steph can sap his legs. Lay some wood on the dude on rebounds. And it’s not just Steph. The Cavs can’t lose the rebounding battle and expect to win. TT, especially, has got to start using positioning, and not just athleticism on rebounds.
Another key is winning the bench minutes. I’m convinced that if Deron Williams plays and doesn’t play well, the Cavs can’t win this game. I’d be much happier seeing Derrick Williams at the two with the Cavs’ jumbo lineup to start the second and fourth quarters, but Lue doesn’t seem included to play that much. Derrick was at his best this year when the Cavs played him as a utility two who could run the floor, dive to the basket, handle a little and hit open threes. He’s a great option against Shawn Livingston, who’s consistently posted up every little guard the Cavs have put on him. I hope Ty has the same thought.
I’m not going to get into the Shump/JR/Kyle debate, but suffice it to say, the Cavs are going to be small a lot. There will be minutes for all three, and they all have to play well.
We know what LeBron and Kyrie can do, and they’ll have to be great. But Kevin Love is my key. He’s been outstanding so far this finals, averaging, 18.5, 11.5 rebounds, 2.8 steals, and a block. His defensive headiness has broken up so many plays. Love’s also shooting 43% from outside, but Kevin has to has to has to start finishing inside. He’s got to go up strong and use one or two pump fakes and a very strong shot to either put the ball in the bucket or go to the line. Kev’s 12-31 inside the arc, and he has to be better and more aggressive. Also, Cleveland has to look for him inside, especially of the Warriors get in foul trouble. If Dray is on Kev or LeBron, and he’s in foul trouble, The Cavs have to go after him on the roll or in the post, and either LeBron or Love have to make him pay.
Golden State feels entitled to this championship, and the Cavs must give no quarter and cause the Warriors to lose their composure. We know they’re capable of doing it to the Dubs and KD. The Cavs played a perfect game from a pace standpoint Friday, running selectively, but conserving energy when they needed to. The pace mastery must continue, and Cleveland must avoid the temptation to get into a fast break contest. They also must take care of the ball. Another 20-4 debacle like game one will give the Dubs the trophy. The long the Cavs’ seem undaunted, the more the Dubs will unravel.
Game five starts in an hour. One game. Just one more game.
all these missed opportunities gonna be the difference in the game…hit your free throws
That was a ridiculous shot by KD
Shump is garbage this game.
(Almost every game….)
Too many missed free throws…
How is that not a shooting foul? He was gathered to shoot?
7 off boards saves their 34% shooting. They are trying to gag, but we are making mistakes
Our defense is so good right now but no offense
Feeling fortunate Warriors are cold from 3
cavs need to slow it down and run an offense….they have warriors in good spot but that stretch was really bad….just poor shots and poor defense
Lue needs to be a coach, i would have called timeout after RJ gave up wide open three for trash mid range
Know your role…
We should be up double digits. Too many no pass possessions.
Come on guys, start running some good offensive plays. Too much dribbling with no real reason…
why doesnt lebron try to stop that at all? he lets that shit happen pretty often.
Doesn’t want to the posterized.
We could easily be up 10 right now
cavs offensive game plan is abysmal right now….very strange….they have total control and havent put this team away
That was about 6 bad possessions in a row by the Cavs. They deserved to get dunked on.
Giving up offensive rebounds and turning it over… two biggest no-nos against this team
Gimme break guys…slow the hell down!
Some seriously Kyrie there…he was going to force something dumb that entire possession….why???
Kyrie and LeBron, run a freaking offense. That whole run was on you two.
Too much dribbling Kyrie…
Stop shooting RJ
Tristan getting beat by West… smh
TT has got to freaking rebound
Cavs in too much of a hurry on offense.
Kyrie and LeBron shooting a little too quick. He gotta make the dubs work on D.
role players not showing up again
This is insane that LBJ isn’t getting calls on these hack jobs…
Hope the Cavs are as chill as I am. Not expecting anything but liking the effort so far
I was seriously chill Friday but I can feel myself getting worked up tonight
Yeah, if they win tonight then it will be harder to stay chill. Tonight feels like found money.
The thump, and the throwdown.
https://twitter.com/otgbasketball/status/874443946222641156
how does the ref miss the face smack, he’s looking right at the play
cavs brining energy and that should be flag 1 on durant – hit in head
You can just feel the tension building on the Dubs and their fans…
And then Kyrie and Bron piss away the lead.
Did the ref tell LeBron to play on? Guy looked seriously pissed that James was yapping
Not sure how you miss that foul…would have been Durant’s 3rd…must be the pro Cavs conspiracy…
GS are such babies. They were forced to change their rotation a little and they are lost.
LeBron has been chilling on defense. Should help he k conserve energy.
Love gets a flagrant for the same foul Durant just hit LeBron with. Bull…
Nothing like getting hit in the face but no call. Meanwhile curry jumps into Korver and get three free throws.
ridiculous
That no call on Durant. Only swallowed the whistle cause it’s his third. Ridiculous
Yep
Should,have been a foul too on that awesome dunk !
No foul there. /s
James jams on Durant! Gets hit in the face and finishes anyway! No fricking call aagin!
Come on. How do you not call that foul on Durant? You should be ashamed!
Why’s kev crying?
He got dunked on.
I ain’t even lying.
Where’s the and one for KD hitting Bron in the head??
They are missing shots. Need to capitalize on it. Go Cavs!!
LEBRON THROWING IT DOWN!!
My goodness.
I’m glad KLove is back out there…
For those who haven’t noticed KLove is pulling down boards. Crucial
West blatantly traveled there…
Thank you for calling that out. The cockroaches in my house heard the call.
LeBron had a ton of miles on those tires. The man is a modern marvel
cmon, Klove. Catch fire
Another steal!
Kyrie and LeBron doing well thats a good sign. Im afraid Love will be a no show based on past experience
turnovers were ugly but cavs holding it so far
Could/should be up 10 with a 62 to 42% shooting edge
DWill with a bit of redemption on that last sequence…
Great closing out the quarter. With Lebron out too. Keep it up. Too bad Durant picked up 2 fouls, so Kerr will go away from his crappy second quarter lineup.
Lebronless unit puts up some points!
Missed it what happened with Kyrie?
Shump is always completely out of control on both sides of the floor…classic negative energy player…
So Korver gets called on Curry but MacCaw doesn’t on Ky… Both the exact same plays.
https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/874442194970566658
Id say he found contact just like Steph
Except Kyrie has the talent to hit the shot anyway…
they tried to give it back but failed
Great finish by Kyrie and JR. After the Shumpudge backcourt blows the lead.
Wow, somehow we survived a lineup without a forward
Held ’em to 33 in the first!
WAY TO FINISH!!
SWISSSSHHHHHHHHH!
HOW IS LIVINGSTON SO SMOOTH
Cause he’s so tall… shooting over guys 5 inches shorter…
Cause he’s a herculoid
Insane shot KI…