Live Thread: Cavs @ Knicks, Game 3 NBA Playoffs
2023-04-21Good evening CtB!
The Cavs have ventured to Midtown Manhattan to take on the New York Knicks for game three of the 2023 NBA Playoffs at the historic Madison Square Garden. The Cavs are riding high off of a game two beatdown of the Knicks that saw them adjust and respond well after game one’s embarrassing offensive performance. In game two, Coach J.B. Bickerstaff left Isaac Okoro, Ricky Rubio, and Dean Wade parked on the bench as he let Caris LeVert cook at the combo guard spot and unleashed NBA Champion Danny Green off the bench. The result was damn near perfection on both ends of the court as the Cavs held the Knicks to sub-40% shooting, outrebounded the Knicks 43-36, out-assisted the Knicks 26-16, and nearly put up the magical 50/40/90 shooting splits. The performance was so good that question began anew about whether to make a change to tonight’s starting lineup given Okoro’s obvious inability to make Jalen Brunson pay for hiding on the defensive end. Even one of Okoro’s biggest cheerleaders in cleveland.com’s Chris Fedor has questions about the starting Okoro at this point:
Earlier this season, one #Cavs coach referred to a 5-man group as Cleveland’s death lineup. Darius Garland. Donovan Mitchell. Caris LeVert. Evan Mobley. Jarrett Allen. With how LeVert played in Game 2, is it time to make that the starting lineup again?https://t.co/mZRr7yYpMK
— Chris Fedor (@ChrisFedor) April 21, 2023
For yours truly, the answer is obvious that Okoro should be relegated to bench duty but the question becomes, who should start? Personally any one of Caris LeVert, Cedi Osman, or Danny Green would be acceptable answers to that question, and I still wouldn’t count out Dean Wade from that equation either in spite of his horrible start to the playoffs. The bottom line is, this the NBA playoffs, every possession matters and there’s literally zero reason why Jalen Brunson should be afforded the luxury of relaxing on the defensive end at the expense of the Cavs’ offense. J.B. needs to be ruthless and remorseless for 48 minutes, which means making the Knicks pay for every moment Brunson’s on the court. Here’s some eye-popping stats that bring home the point:
It’s clear what’s lost when Okoro’s on the floor with the starters: rebounding, scoring, and ball movement… all three of which cost the Cavs game one. Yes the defense was excellent, and I have no problem seeing that lineup in spots where it’s needed, but Caris LeVert’s defense was much better still. I’d much rather see Okoro and Cedi Osman as a tandem off the bench that can compensate for each other’s weaknesses, apropos:
Osman and Okoro make for a deadly two man combination off the bench, why it hasn’t been used more is anyone’s guess. Just for fun, let’s throw Dean Wade into the equation and see what happens…
Hmm… what’s this? Osman, Okoro, and Wade are an elite three man grouping? It’s a shame this wasn’t explored more during the regular season.
It’s funny to talk to non-Cavs fans about Isaac Okoro during the regular season and these playoffs, because they universally see the obvious: To this point, Isaac Okoro is not a good NBA player and holds the team back from its full potential. Yet this obvious truth escapes many in Cavs media, fandom, and even the organization itself. Okoro has had three full seasons to show what he’s capable of, and right now he’s a rotation player on a good team, but not a worthy starter. And should the Cavs be good enough to go deeper into these playoffs, Okoro’s weakness in the starting lineup will become even more stark. No player was affected more than Evan Mobley, who’s offense took a leap from game one to game two:
With Randle trapping PnRs, this forced Mobley to attack out of the short roll where he really struggled. Notice how far Hart is able to help off Okoro, forcing Mobley to drive left and into Hartenstein. Knicks did a great job of shrinking the floor pic.twitter.com/4y4RdJyeaO
— Ariel (@APachecoNBA) April 16, 2023
Another short roll opportunity for Mobley and he kicks out to Okoro who puts the ball on the floor and misses over Brunson. Knicks will take this every time and something to watch for as the series goes on pic.twitter.com/FKbGmicZxx
— Ariel (@APachecoNBA) April 16, 2023
What will J.B. do? He said to Fedor in yesterday’s press scrum that he doesn’t plan on making a change, however Bickerstaff also gave Fedor a laughing smirk, the kind a coach gives when they don’t want to divulge any information that might help an opponent… so stay tuned!
PUT THIS ON A LOOP IN THE CAVS’ LOCKER ROOM
LETS. GO. CAVS. pic.twitter.com/54b3vQE92Z
— 🎧 (@RizzMobley) April 21, 2023
Tip off is scheduled for 8:30PM Eastern time and will be broadcast live nationally on ABC, Go Cavs!
LET CARIS COOK
Put in Ricky
Get Danny out
OH NO
DG should have passed the ball to Green.. missed opportunity.
Knicks have 20 points off of our 14 pts.
Get darius to the locker room. His brain is broken and now his body too. Eff you JB get better you ridiculous excuse for a coach
Worst game DG will ever play, and now he tweaked his ankle. What an effing nightmare this game is.
WHAT A FINISH CARIS
caris cant win with these cats
LMFAO *MIKE SINGLETARY VOICE*
I seriously dont understand why our defense alone cant carry us when we have a top rated defense so we can at least be in games..
It usually can…but this has been an epically bad offensive attempt…
Got damn DG can’t hit shit and Donovan turning it over like a rookie.
Anyone want to offer what is happening to DG? This may be the worst time to have the worst game of your life…not Starks Finals bad timing, but approximate…
stage set for epic Cavalanche featuring Madison Square Garland,…or something
LOVE IT LETS GOOO DG OWES THE TEAM ONE!
Holy hell garland is having the worst game ive ever seen an all star have. What the heck dude get him out of this game
Our energy is pathetic right now…they just look slow and lethargic
Allen in particular looks like he doesn’t believe anything he/they do will work…
Abysmal close. Danny Green ain’t it.
after donnie hit the floater to make it 55-64.. Knicks on a 7-0 run in the last 2 minutes… we really need to start closing quarters good.
Our possessions in the last 2 minutes:
Toss this game in the toilet and try to never have a performance close to this again…
JB shitting the bed here with these lineups. Need Cedi.
yup, just put him in finally
And he committed a terrible foul.
Okoro wide open for 3, Donovan doesn’t trust him.
They need offense more than defense right now honestly..
yup, Okoro not the answer.
God, these turnovers…just absolutely brutal…
Did Allen miss em both?
yup 4 point swing.
5 knicks in the paint, PUT IN SOME SHOOTERS JB
Cue Cedi.
NICE PASS DONNIE LETS GOOO
Danny went in to the paint too deep for no reason.
GOT DAMMIT DANNY PLAY DEFENSE
Not sure he’s the answer.
GOOD ATTACK SPIDA
Cavs knocking on the door.
But can’t get it to 5-7.. so far only to 9.
Good attack Caris, keep attacking the rim
Cavs 4/9 from 3 and 4/5 from 2 this quarter
NY is 2/7 from 2, 5/8 from 2
How much are we paying Darius Garland? Isn’t he on a max contract
he’s an all star – cant you tell?
Seriously is he on a max contract
Yes
got too 3 happy there, it’s single digits, start attacking the rim
both teams with 3 fouls.. lets start attacking the rim and get in the bonus and get some easy shots.
All we are doing is chucking 3s..
Stop chucking! Terrible shot, Caris. Work it. The Knicks aren’t going to play d for more than 8 Seconds.
Even Danny’s shot is ugly
LFG!
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO GREAT BALL MOVEMENT
Nice defense JA
CARIS LEVERT LETS GOOOOOOO
I don’t know what it’s gonna take to settle Mobley down on offense…he’s rushing every time he gets the ball and missing badly…playoffs have him off his game
Needs to hit a strip club.
I’m so sick of the whole New York mystique bullshit. Msg bullshit. Knicks are not that good of a team.
LETS GO FINALLY SHOWING SOME FIGHT
LET CARIS COOK HES THE ONLY GUARD NOT COUGHING IT UP
Let’s get in the bonus.
DG can do no right
Another turnover my god
Darous. Just slow down.
DG the worst player on the court tonight, and THAT is saying something…
Overwhelmed
Veek Caris Cookin!
I think at this rate, we need to focus more on actually hitting some shots.
13/26 on 2’s = 50%
4/22 on 3’s = 18.2%
4/8 from FT: 50%
JA getting punked by MitchRob… WTF
One of the worst playoff games ever so far haha. Unfortunately we are still mired in the suck while they are nba players again. Cannot believe how freaking overwhelmed we look
jarett allen soft af this game
I’d be tempted to rip Mobley a new one to get his head in the game, but I’m not sure that’s the move with him.
We need to start hitting shots and attack the paint to at least get some foul shots if anything.
THANK YOU CARIS
LCC!
There we fo
Make a run while these schmucks are gettinback to their seats.
They’ll be fine
So starting Karis was a terrible idea
He’ll get a Jekkyl and Hyde contract in the off-season
He wasn’t the one coughing the ball up over and over.
Yes…yes he was very much a part of that. Stupid shota that miss are still coughing the ball up and not catching a pass in space led to a bucket at end of half.
Also eventhough it says the game will be broadcasted on BSOH, I end up seeing baseball games and have to suffer through other broadcasters/commentators.
I do think starting Caris backfired in a big way and got everyone looking over their shoulder.
maybe garland needs to be looking over his shoulder. allen is soft this game too. don and mobley are doing their things (neither is cooking, but they’re playable at least)
I don’t think it has anything to do with that. It’s all nerves.
I’m sure I’m overstating it, but the change unsettled things and that’s contributing to the nerves and panic on offense that took hold.
Prisoner of the moment, Okoro turned the ball over twice in 5 minutes.. that wouldn’t have helped either.
Not going to subject myself to Steven A Smith at halftime.
First road playoff game and my goodness it shows.
with Cavs down.. definitely was no need to watch the halftime show..that was on mute the entire time.
unclear from offense if this is an nba team or college
consistency is the hallmark of success.
at least the Cavs are outrebounding them.
I’m unplugging till the 4th Q