Live Thread: Cavs Vs Thunder
2015-01-25Dion Waiters is coming to Cleveland to battle against LeBron James and the Cavaliers today. Except, Dion probably wouldn’t phrase it that way. He would say Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook are going into the King’s house.
Waiters seems to have found a spot on the Thunder. He knows he isn’t better than their two stars. On the Cavs, Dion often stated and showed in subtle ways he thought he was better than Kyrie Irving. He may have been at times, but the way he manifested this attitude was by taking ill-thought shots, sulking, and demanding the ball from everyone to make up for perceived slights.
I’m not sure why Dion has fallen in line. Even in his first game with the Thunder against the Jazz, he did what he was asked to do so well that Scott Brooks praised his defense and tenacity. How often did that happen in Cleveland outside of myself and a few bloggers really wanting a legitimate reason to love Dion so much?
Maybe, Dion needed a star point guard to be older than him. Russell is three years older than him, while Kyrie is one year younger than him. Or, and this is the theory I’m pushing, Saint Weirdo is like a spoiled puppy. Starting his career in Cleveland, he was indulged. No one told him “no” very forcefully when he was acting out, and that let him develop some really bad habits. His housemates in Cleveland were all his. When people came into his team’s place, he showed off. “Look at this bad shot I’m taking with MY ball. I’ll even take it off balance to show more autonomy.”
Now, he’s in a new unfamiliar place and isn’t acting out as much. I’m reminded of when I was just ten years old, and my older sister got a little Sharpei puppy. She was caramel and if you listened to my sister, each one of her wrinkles contained a new way to cause household damage. Yet, whenever my sister visited my mom and me with her puppy, the little dog was never terrible. A quick gaze her way and whatever shoe she wanted to chew was instantly forgotten. Kevin Durant’s gaze is doing that to Waiters.
This change of scenery is working for Dion, and he seems happy. I mean, “Listen, they give [him] the ball. Like, [he touches] the ball. Like, [he] actually, like, you know, [touches] the ball.” [Darnell Mayberry]
And, honestly, I’m not even sure he is touching the ball more. He’s just in a better mental spot not feeling like this team is his and something that he needs to show off for.
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The Cavs are a lot like the Thunder. Andrew Sharp of Grantland tried to make that case during the week, and he had some good points throughout his piece: Both have coaches on the “hot seat,” they have big men that are offensively challenged, have made some questionable trades (James Harden/Andrew Wiggins), have offenses that lack structure, etc…
However, I can’t help but wanting to scream, “The Cavs are just three months old.” The Thunder and Cavs aren’t alike. The Thunder have had these above mentioned issues for years now. They’ve never had an offense. The Cavs can still reasonably say words like “process” without entire flocks of bloggers jumping into a river.
Yeah, the Cavs have problems, but coach wise, the two teams are very different. Sharp says that the pair differ in the sense that Blatt has a complex offense the team doesn’t run and Scott has a non complex offense. No, Scott has a reasonably normal offense, it’s just very poor given that he has two top ten players. It doesn’t utilize them correctly because a seven footer who can dribble shouldn’t be forced to the perimeter in crunch time. The Thunder listen to Scott and run his defense how he wants it to be run. It just stinks.
The Cavs, however, aside from the past four games, have not been executing what Mr. Blatt wants, so they have looked bad without Blatt’s help. I don’t know what Blatt’s offense looks like; although, I’ve seen glimpses of it watching the second unit swing the ball around. It looks pretty smooth. Defensively, Blatt has completely revamped the scheme, and the Cavs have been a top five defense, statistically, the past three games.
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And, finally, the biggest difference between the Thunder and the Cavs is the fact that the Cavs offense is just rounding into “top offense without running plays” status. The Thunder are statistically there. Both of these teams thrive in transition. They’re full of smart, agile guys, that can instinctively do damage on the break.
For the whole season, the Thunder are ranked 13th in fast break points, and the Cavs are ranked 17th. During the past three games though, the Cavs are fourth in transition points and the Thunder are seventh. The Thunder were sixth last season, so this says that their offense is pretty much reaching where it was last year. The Cavs are just rounding into what they might be, and while some may say that talent-wise the Thunder are better than Cleveland, I’d like to think that Cleveland can make up for that through coaching. The coaching just has to be accepted by the team. I don’t think Blatt has called for any of the Le-Iso plays so far this season.
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I’m picking the Cavs to win today, 109-101. Dion will take two ill-advised mid-range jumpers, but he will play insane defense on Kyrie Irving trying to shut him down. I expect Kyrie to do the same to Dion.
OH you’ve GOT to hit the free ones Kev!
WTF why can’t anyone make a FT?
I know. Seems like there is a lid on it.
Love enjoys going to free throw line.
YES! I LOVE that LOVE suckers a defender into a fakery perimeter shot at least once a game
Good acting by Love.
Where is the fouk on Love?
My least favorite call in the NBA. It’s ridiculous. They’d laugh at you if you threw yourself into a defender in college.
I meant the play before the Reggie Miller.
That was a skinny armed Rob Lowe 3 point attempt.
TT needs to switch shooting hands again.
Or just go old school and shoot free throws underhand…
Have you ever done that? If you get it past the front of the rim and have any backspin on it, the ball just dies and goes in. Players don’t do it only because 1) it’s not what they’re taught growing up, and 2) they think they’ll look silly.
When the stakes are high, Lebron just refuses to run any sort of offense
Yeah, this is Blatt’s biggest challenge: How to get LBJ out of that habit before the playoffs.
That was offense! KLove corner 3!!!
431 comments. Prolly an all time CtB record. What’s everybody drinkin?
Fresh Squeezed IPA from deschutes brewery
2 cups of fresh coffee haha!
Say what? . . . .
Coffee. Too much Three Floyds and Boulevard last night.
Oh yeah, I had a Deschutes too.
3 blocks away:)
Nice! Canton Brewing company just start putting out beer here. Was really impressed with their first offering.
Sweet, it wasn’t a thing when I was last in canton
Coffee, because it calms you down…and picks you up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR3zpPZnCbE&app=desktop
HAHAHA apparently coffee is what’s up!!!
Doesn’t the game have you wired enough?
A fifth of Jack Daniels with a straw…
Kashmir IPA by Highlands.
After only 3 turns in the first three quarters, Cavs have forced four turns already in the fourth. Good active D
OKC is just not that good anymore. This stretch of bad shot selection would be punished against a good opponent.
Like the Charlotte Hornets?
They may take the most mid-range shots of any team in the league. Durant and WB stop early so often around the top of the key.
Durant and Westbrook are good. But outside of the occasional super human play, they seem to be quite mortal.
Brooks is going to get fired this offseason.
They are good. I think the CAVS wore them down really. The rotation is working. I haven’t seen much of a drop off in intensity between the 2nd unit and starters.
Meh. This is how they always were tbh. They’re missing some and we are putting a little more pressure on them than they are used to. Especially westbrook
Charles Barkley is correct, there just a jump shooting team, no post game.
That’s a good comment. +1. (Yours, not Charles Barkley’s)
Cavs back in no-execution mode on offense for most of the second half. They’ve made just enough fortunate 3’s — and tough shots by James — to stay ahead.
Need them to run something and close this game out. It’s too iso heavy right now.
It’s not even iso-heavy. It’s just chucking.
It’s just going to be a steady diet of LBJ and Kyrie given who they are playing. Just a TV showcase game… smh
Dion should be a point guard. He ain’t an off ball guy.
I’ve thought the same thing Brandon, except I’m not sure he’d share the ball enough.
WHEW! Worried it was Morrow in the corner… It was just Dion…
Now Dion gets to help us win games!
Run a play! Please
No kidding… when the game slows down, post up LBJ or K Love!!!
Lebron needs a rest
He only played 27 in first three quarters…
We are playing good defense
But just shoot too qickly at other end
So are they. We need someone to heat up.
Cavs still hanging in on D. Making the Thunder work for it…
All TT had to do was dive there for a wide open shot.
Ugh. Don’t give up an and-1 here.
OKC tightening the D. Kyrie gotta get it going.
Oooooooh! That Kyrie three would have been a mini-dagger. Like being stuck by a bic pen. But that hurts. Doesn’t it?
BEAUTIFUL! I love it when a plan comes together!
The force of that MozShot wedged the ball in the rim!
Looks like Serge also blocked Moz face
Wedgie!
Too many long threes it seems. Need to work the ball inside. The basketball equivalent of the running game…
Post up Love right here.
Remember when Nick Collison played prison ball in the lock out season?
Jesus, how many super long threes has Cleveland taken with plenty of time on the clock?
Put stinkin’ LBJ on Durant.
I’m waiting for it like a kid at Christmas
That’s a clear path!
Right? Should have been
Shump needs to some dribbling drills. But that D is so good.
He’s still looking pretty rusty though
Thunder really miss Sefalosha for games like this. Asking Anthony Morrow to guard LeBron is not fair.
He may look like Lance… but he ain’t guard like him…
SHUMP getting active out there… He needs to learn how to ooop it to LBJ in transition though
Yup I saw that missed opportunity on that break.
He off to such a good start can you just visualize hi presence come playoffs
Shump with a great hustle play to stop the fastbreak!
SHUMP! That’s what Griff is talkin’ about!
Damn U-dog… beat me to it!
Thought the same. Gilbert will be dropping money his way this summer
Mozzy really controlling the defensive paint the last few Thunder possessions.
LBJ drained it on Dion, TT swatted him, Kyrie just needs to make him fall over trying to cover his dribbling.
Do y’all realize we’re up 11? (Don’t tell Cavs players.)
King: “Hey Dion…”
Dion: “Yeah King?
King: “Try and touch THIS ball!”
Dion: “Can’t touch this.”
Hey, I just remembered that it’s been a while since anyone mentioned we have turned role players into all stars.
Never a truer word has been said.
Mark Jackson: May I have this dance Mr. Waiters?
This is great. LBJ is sinking shots, laying it thick in the post, he’s back.
Some ugly stankey leg possessions but LeBron is making everything so why not!
Like I said. LJ frequently gets bonus video game energy after hitting a three.
LBJ over Waiters for a DEEP IN THE Q 3!!!!
That was an “EFF YOU, Dion!” three by LeBron.
LBJ FROM ELYRIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And right in Saint Weirdo’s FACE!!!!!!
MOZILLA WITH THE HIGH LEAP
King looking to put this one out of reach!
That 3 was from Akron go Cavs
Yeah, take that! From Akron!
That was a nasty make by LeBron.
Shump with some nice D on Durant that trip…
Blatt showing a lot of faith in Delly here.
LBJ should’ve shot that… I understood he wanted to get Delly the open look, but he had Waiters on him, could’ve had a clear shot over him.
You mean like that?
I think he’s feeling it now (after the three). Frequently, after LJ hits a three he starts to feel it. Kinda like bonus video game energy.
Exactly U-dog… You know what I mean???!!!!
You called it CLF!
Don’t worry. Looks like he doesn’t plan to pass up a shot again before the Pistons game.
The last five minutes of this game are going to be epic.
Gotta love a play that gives LeBron a wide open catch-and-shoot three.
Definitely a great pass from Delly…
LBJ for deep THREEE!
Delly great pass, LBJ for 3!!!
This team is fighting. I am impressed. There was a nano second where I thought they might go down by 7 or so.
KLove: four of five from three. And 25 or 6 to 4.
It feels like no defense is being played today. It’s fun to watch, that final two minutes was almost all highlight material
Still a pretty low scoring game considering these are two of the higher scoring teams in the NBA
So many misses tonight. Westbrook is chucking and lots of blocks by rim.
Gotta say, really nice quarter by Love.
Just noticed that LeBron has played only 27 minutes in 3 quarters. That means, at most, he’s going to play 39. It’s nice having a bench.
Irving had a mixed quarter. Got smoked on that back door by Waiters, and had too many turnovers and played a little out of control, but also helped clouse out the quarter and put Cleveland up 5.
Gotta give Saint Weirdo some credit for putting the ball on the floor though. He had a couple of nice drives inside.
Having a good game overall.
As long as we win . . . and he doesn’t smoke us.
Is it wrong if all I feel for him is he is the enemy!
I’m going to have to shovel my sidewalk after this (thinking out loud).
Delly is shooting better behind the arc this season than Skinny Armed Rob Lowe.
Nice finish on the ate to keep lead and momentum! Go Cavs
Whoops end the qtr
I think Kyrie is gonna have himself a fourth.
I would like to see him or somebody besides Lebron own the 4th!
Nah, King won’t let that happen. It’s going to be the LBJ/Durant show I’ll bet