Finals Live Thread: Cavs @ Warriors, Game 2 (#doingwhatyoudo)
2017-06-04The Warriors had 56 points in the paint in game one. They had 21 points off of turnovers. They had 18 second chance points.i
Each of those numbers needs to come down in game two. No matter what the Cavs do, they must work on controlling the ball after misses, defending the paint, and protecting the ball. There’s lots of reasons they have to do those things. For one, they help win basketball games. But really, it’s because those are the things the Cavs can be better than the Warriors at.
The Warriors are known for whipping the ball around, hitting 3s, and running. The Cavs are known for hitting 3s too, but only after a hard drive and kick, or on ball screen. In a lot of ways, when these teams are both at their best, they are doing their damage from deep. Often times, it’s impossible to stop them from raining 3s, no matter the defensive scheme is. There’s a reason the Cavs are number one in 3-point percentage this post season and the Warriors are number four.
In game one the Cavs, allowed the Warriors to hit just 12 3s. That was solid, but it came at the expensive of the above mentioned areas. Areas the Cavs can win at.
The Wine and Gold need to not worry about stopping the inevitable 3s that will come by sacrificing rebounding to get out to shooters, or running to shooters and giving up dunks on fast breaks. The Warriors will hit their long ball one game. The Cavs will too.
Cleveland can protect the rim against the Warriors. The Warriors aren’t looking to kill you with drives. The want to get back cuts, get out in transition , and hit 3s. Cleveland doesn’t have to worry about some over the top jumping dunk dude. There’s no guy one the Warriors whose number skill is getting into the paint necessarily. Why let them dominate down low? The Cavs can own the paint. Kyrie Irving can get to the rack. Tristan Thompson can roll hard. LeBron James can post up, use his shoulder on drives, or roll to the rim.
Cleveland is also definitively the better rebounding team. Kevin Love had 21 by himself in game one. Tristan Thompson is usually able to snag five or six offensive boards a night, and LeBron James can grab how ever many boards he decides too. The Cavs out rebounded the Warriors by nine in game one and that’s including the 15 offensive boards they gifted Golden State. Cleveland has out boarded teams by four per night in the playoffs. The Warriors just 1.8 per night in the playoffs.
The Cavs are also much better at protecting the ball. Statistically both teams play semi-loose given their turnovers per game this season, but the Warriors will play very lose and fast the more comfortable they get in a game. They also pass the ball much more than Cleveland.
Cleveland throws one or two passes before they shoot the ball. There’s not as much that can go wrong. They can focus more on each action offensively because they aren’t doing as much as Golden State. And, they must do that. Their transition defense is awful, so why not stop transition ball from happening as often by not turning it over?
If you still don’t believe that the turovers, points in the paint, and rebounds are really what matters for Cleveland, let’s look at the simple math. The Warriors took 106 shots on Thursday. The Cavs took just 86. If both teams take the same number of 3s, and hit the same percentage from the floor, who is going to win the game? The Cavs need the math to be in their favor, no matter how their offense is doing.
I’m picking the Cavs to clean up their act tonight. They’ve got this game, 113-101.
Cavs can’t get the ball to go in the bucket.
Basically all you can say about the 3rd quarter…can’t go in droughts against this team…
We will never beat this team if we aren’t able to shoot free throws when we earn them. Now we’re just throwing up prayers cuz we’re tired
Game over.
Kyrie passing to RJ when he had a wide open midrange. Smh.
CURRY s the biggest flopping b***h about I’ve ever seen.
He’s a piker compared to Marcus Smart…
I think curry and the warriors could write a phd dissertation on flopping. Boston is in grade school compared to them.
He doesn’t even try to hide it either. He is smiling every time they get a call that is more or less the equivalent of fixing games.
When LBJ starts taking threes like that down 12, I am guessing they are frustration shots. I imagine him thinking, if it goes in we have a chance, if it doesn’t we don’t.
I can’t remember the last made corner three the Cavs had…
Or the last bucket at the hoop by Irving or Love
Don’t know how that wasn’t a charge on Durant.
James playing frustrated now. RJ missed him wide open under the basket
Cavs chucking now.
That was a curious no-call on the Durant-RJ collision.
Poor shot selection from LeBrom.
Klay no longer in a slump…
Hopefully, I just jinxed him…
Allowing 40 point quarters just isn’t going to get it done…
GUESS TY NOT GOING TO LET DWILL GET UNTRACKED ?
In the replay… Steph took three steps before that pass to Livingston…
Why does Kyrie keep trying to go right at Durant? It doesn’t work
OK. Out of the timeout down 4. Stupid foul from James. Stupid TO from James + stupid foul from Shump takes it to 9. Kyrie goes iso into Durant leads to a 2. Dumb and dumber. This team just makes too many mistakes.
from being down 4 to 11 real quick, sigh
Our margin for error is small and we sure are making too many now
Incredibly dumb pass and turnover by LBJ leading to an incredibly dumb foul by shump for a Durant and 1
Cavs get close then play dumb….Kyrie having James Harden disappearance tonight….Warrior are good but Cavs make them look really good sometimes
Cavs playing pretty good. Yet down 11.
They are playing really good for 5minutes and then completely forget how to play for the next 2.
The refs make it difficult to play well for long stretches against gs.
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I hate this warriors team.
Dumb foul Shump… dumb pass Bron…
Shump with an incredibly stupid foul.
Dumb pass Lebron…even dumber foul, Shump…could cost them the game…
Shump what about a hard foul
Ugh. Mental mistakes on the pass by LeBron and the foul by Shumpert.
Just ridiculously bad basketball out of the timeout
Wrap your hands around him and bring him down….
And a dumb foul right on cue. James this time.
I think someone asked for this Kerr punch pic…
Thank you.
Back down to 4. Green out with 4. TT & JR sitting. We need to make a move here. No dumb TOs or fouls. No lazy plays.
The Cavs need to start hitting some 3’s because if they dont, dont matter what else they do
12 for Dubs and 5 for us
How was that not a foul on pout Face Thompson?
LeBron one board away from another Finals triple double
LeBron in ratified air this third.
That should’ve been an and one.
Pretty good to be down 4 playing against 2 MVPs, 2 all stars and 3 zebras
Zebras being key, more than the warriors themselves.
Dubs chucking and Cavs taking advantage with transition… I like it!
I don’t know what the Cavs have to do to get a foul call.
Be from Oakland.
Cavs pissing me off
Refs pissing me off…
Back in striking distance…
How about an and one for once Tony??
Shocked Iggy missed that open three….
Said “he never misses against us” as he released…I’ll take credit for the jynx
Same…I was positive that was going in…he was certainly open enough…
Inability to get the long rebounds, killing them…
So the refs (read NBA, similar to the lakers kings 2002 wcf) basically wipe the warriors a$&, take out their trash and clean their bathrooms.
Seriously? Cannot allow all these offensive board.
How was that not a foul on them on Shump at the rim??
Not a frustration foul by Green, just the usual holding to prevent an advantage. Happened to get caught this time.
Just a normal Warriors’ play. I hate their smugness, when they play dirty as hell.
Zaza sets so many illegal screens its insane!
Dumb donkey foul…
We need less 3s and more drives.
Nice foul, Bray…
Pachouli Oil holding all day long…
That was way too far out for Kev…
Now’s the time the Cavs have to hang tough…
Get TT off the floor Lue. He’s useless. Get Frye in or play Love at the 5.
I can’t stand Curry. Someone needs to level him
The Cavs act like 30 something’s on the court and the Warriors act like 20 something’s. In l ways
Bad turnovers and the warriors hitting wide open threes along with getting ridiculous calls is the story of this qtr so far.
TY GET A EFFING “T ” ALREADY WE HERE AT CTB WILL PAY YOUR FINE !!
Happy to set up crowdfund
Yeah it’s not the tome for being stoic
16 points in 3 minutes, what the hell man
Gotta get TT off the floor. Go small with Love or James at C. Or Frye for a minute or two.
When are we going to send a message and play physical? If you’re gonna foul curry foul him hard
He needs to get fouled HARD if he’s gonna shoot 12 free throws
Wow JR is just killing us on both ends tonight
Curry is such a biatch with his preening…
Might have been the first time ever he wasn’t blocked by LeBron at the hoop.