Finals Live Thread: Game Five, Cavs @ Warriors
2017-06-12Man do I hate the Dubs. I mean nothing gets me as lathered up as a good sports hate, but that team is something else. I spent the last live thread talking about what is so loathsome about Curry, Steph, and KD, and did a liberal amount of quoting from Cullen Galagher’s If You Like the Warriors, You Are a Bad Fan and You Should Feel Bad, Too. I especially appreciated his descriptions of Steph Curry, “whose entire persona can be summed up by the phrase ‘my dad bought this for me,'” mainly because they apply to Klay Thompson too. And we all know that KD is a frontrunning weiner.
But if there’s a proverbial “straw that stirs the drink” for Golden State, it’s Draymond Green. Draymond put on quite a show Friday. From smacking Shump in the head, to picking up two technicals, to getting one rescinded, to clocking Tristan Thompson in the head on a play that wasn’t even reviewed, Dray had quite a night. And remember, Kevin Love got dinged for the weakest flagrant foul call in NBA history after KD whined about getting hit in the noggin.
Draymond also had nothing smart to say after and referred to Clevelanders as “not very sharp,” and then doubling down on that statement again yesterday. It’s safe to say that Dray is a little full of himself. He’s also the key to Cleveland winning this game. Green wants this game desperately, and for all his bravado, you know there’s no way he wants to go back to the North Coast. And Draymond has a history of losing his composure in moments like these. The Cavs need to go at him every second, not necessarily when he’s on defense, but they need to be right next to him goading him at all times. They need pump fakes and prods and pokes in the ribs to try to get himself to do something dumb to get kicked out of the game. And if I’m Richard Jefferson I’m walking near him every time he gets a foul against him and he flails his arm in disgust. Hopefully Dray hits someone and gets himself ejected. I wish they still had Delly.
It’s baffling why Draymond gets the deference he does from NBA officials, because there’s perhaps no one in the NBA who abuses the refs the way ‘Dray does. He intimidates them. The one thing the Cavs need to do is not be intimidated, and they need to be insistent with the refs, without being whiny or lazy on defense. Game four was the first game in which the Warriors didn’t get away with their nonstop defensive fouling. Cleveland must maintain their aggressiveness and put the onus on the officials to make calls or risk this game getting violently out of hand. SI’s Kenny Ducey said it best.
What happened on Friday is best described as shady, just like Dikembe Mutombo prematurely congratulating the 76ers on the first overall pick in the 2016 NBA draft, or the Knicks winning the ’85 lottery. Going back and retroactively removing a foul from Green, keeping him in the game, will live in infamy and fuel even more league conspiracy theories. If anything, it’s making those who truly believe the league influences the outcome of its games and seasons look more rational. Referees need to regain control, and practice transparency and consistency in their calls.
Stopping Green is key because the difference between Green and everyone else at the center spot is stark. Green’s foul trouble has limited Kerr’s ability to play Golden State’s vaunted “Death Lineup.” According to clutchpoints.com, that lineup is killing the Cavs.
The feared lineup has only seen the court for 17 of the total 192 minutes of playing time through four games, netting a 141.7 offensive rating, 69.4 defensive rating.
Meanwhile, Zaza (he who faced no punishment for jabbing at Iman Shumpert’s jewels) was a dumpster fire in game Four, and someone the Cavs will try to consistently exploit in game five. Expect him to play less.
Aside from getting Green to destruct, the key will be maintaining pressure on the Warriors. The longer they aren’t way out in front, the more they’re going to start getting nervous. The question? Will the Dubs’ sense of entitlement, preening, and lack of discipline be their unraveling? God, I hope so.
I would take the same defensive game plan the Cavs had in game one: do not let the shooters get going, even if it means giving up the occasional scrub layup. What needs to change though, is that the Cavs can’t lose KD in transition and just let him go coast to coast (or anyone for that matter).
There are a couple other keys too. First, the Cavs have to start boxing out Steph Curry. He’s averaged over rebounds a game so far in the finals, with double digits in three of the games. It’s also good to do, because leaning on a guy like Steph can sap his legs. Lay some wood on the dude on rebounds. And it’s not just Steph. The Cavs can’t lose the rebounding battle and expect to win. TT, especially, has got to start using positioning, and not just athleticism on rebounds.
Another key is winning the bench minutes. I’m convinced that if Deron Williams plays and doesn’t play well, the Cavs can’t win this game. I’d be much happier seeing Derrick Williams at the two with the Cavs’ jumbo lineup to start the second and fourth quarters, but Lue doesn’t seem included to play that much. Derrick was at his best this year when the Cavs played him as a utility two who could run the floor, dive to the basket, handle a little and hit open threes. He’s a great option against Shawn Livingston, who’s consistently posted up every little guard the Cavs have put on him. I hope Ty has the same thought.
I’m not going to get into the Shump/JR/Kyle debate, but suffice it to say, the Cavs are going to be small a lot. There will be minutes for all three, and they all have to play well.
We know what LeBron and Kyrie can do, and they’ll have to be great. But Kevin Love is my key. He’s been outstanding so far this finals, averaging, 18.5, 11.5 rebounds, 2.8 steals, and a block. His defensive headiness has broken up so many plays. Love’s also shooting 43% from outside, but Kevin has to has to has to start finishing inside. He’s got to go up strong and use one or two pump fakes and a very strong shot to either put the ball in the bucket or go to the line. Kev’s 12-31 inside the arc, and he has to be better and more aggressive. Also, Cleveland has to look for him inside, especially of the Warriors get in foul trouble. If Dray is on Kev or LeBron, and he’s in foul trouble, The Cavs have to go after him on the roll or in the post, and either LeBron or Love have to make him pay.
Golden State feels entitled to this championship, and the Cavs must give no quarter and cause the Warriors to lose their composure. We know they’re capable of doing it to the Dubs and KD. The Cavs played a perfect game from a pace standpoint Friday, running selectively, but conserving energy when they needed to. The pace mastery must continue, and Cleveland must avoid the temptation to get into a fast break contest. They also must take care of the ball. Another 20-4 debacle like game one will give the Dubs the trophy. The long the Cavs’ seem undaunted, the more the Dubs will unravel.
Game five starts in an hour. One game. Just one more game.
Shumpert’s statline: 3 minutes, 0-1 FG, 1 turnover, minus-freaking-9
I cannot stand to see Shumpert on the floor anymore
if Cavs can get it under 10 and start showing effort maybe this will be a game
Be nice to get a few stops and a few threes before halftime… a single digit lead is manageable…
Lebron has 0 assists. We can’t win like that.
Kyrie has 4 though… guys have missed shots LBJ has passed them…
I gotta say, I would have never thought I would say thanks Dray, but “thanks Dray for keeping JR cool.” Glad he pulled him away from the melee in good fashion.
Yeah I noticed that. Can’t stand the guy but sometimes he does the right thing.
Remember when KD got away with hitting LeBron in the face?
Close out this half, guys.
That was a great stretch for the Cavs. Gave them a chance to regroup.
david west hit a guy in the neck then got into the face of another opposing player and is still in the game hahaha
Big three from LeBron!
West HAS to get a second tech for Tristan to get one there. HAS to. This is biased crap
It’s the pro Cavs refs conspiracy…Dubs getting jobbed, just like every other game…./s
This is BS. More techs on us than them.
What an effing joke…
Good, this is the only thing that could wake the cavs up
Holy crap Jr will get a tech, Thompson will get a tech, west will get two and be gone. This is a disaster
This might be what we need to turn it around… let’s see how big the refs’ cahunas are right now
Is it wrong that I feel like vomiting?
Can’t have too many empty possessions against the Warriors​.
JR looking to get T’d up there…
This is great for the cabs regroup, get their lather up. Needed this.
This is a long game. Have faith guys.
David west gave Tristan a kiss. How sweet.
Hate to say it but Lowe was right. All it took was Kerr playing his death lineup nonstop to become unbearable. The second he sat Zaza the game started turning.
Uh no. This is all on the Cavs shitty play.
Thompson was sitting and West was playing, no?
Throw that b****h out!
Wtf are the Cavs doing? No effort.
EFF YOU WEST YOU PIECE OF TRASH
Dubs just playing harder now and not making mistakes…
TT has got to close out!
Yeah Im unclear why we’re not taking timeouts durnf this obvious warriors run
Ugh, that game 3 is haunting.
HUGE three from JR
taking a break from this game…Lue, try coaching.
The 12-2 run just turned into a 22-2 run…
This has gotten way out of hand. Terrible, terrible basketball. Wtf is Shumpert still doing in? We are playing like 4 against 6. Cmon Lue pull him out.
That call on TT was total garbage. Another Steph flop.
Thompson LVP
dug ourselves too big of a hole down 3-0….cavs just playing against too many factors….hope they can get out of this but who knows
Lue trying to save his timeouts and screwing this game.
Ouch. Straight up collapsing. Everything is a foul on one end, and a bad possession on the other. I didn’t think you could play much worse than game 1…
Cannot turn it over like this. You will get smoked.
Cheating. Straight up flopping bullshit
Can’t stop the bleeding… some idiotic plays right now.
Role players are failing…
Deep breath Cavs. Deeeeeep breath.
Keep cryin West… sheesh
How much money you think Shump has on GSW?
Well if he’s on the take, it’s been a long con because this has been going back to last season
Shump should probably be elsewhere next year…
How tho?
He should be the Dubs ace 6th man imo…trade him for McCaw…
at least 3 fouls gets shumpert out the game
Jesus. The Cavs are falling apart. Why did no one step up on the curry three?
Intensity of game 4 has evaporated.
Scrubs are destroying our chances…Kyrie better be ok
Shumpert just commits the worst fouls
G D refs
Is Kyrie injured? What happened to him?
He landed on his right knee after tripping on McCaws feet.
getting treatment. Last thing we needed. Can’t see us winning with any piece not fully functional….
Get Shump the heck out of there Lue
Oof. Shump is really slumping it up.
Get Shump outta there…
This is where it either slips away… or the Cavs fight back…
You have to play Kyrie
There have been a couple decent possessions this quarter…
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/874446797887885312
What is happening…
The Warriors are overplaying too much got to move without the ball to take advantage of that.
Gotta get this under control guys.
missed free throws and rebounds are hurting Cavs now…gotta be careful now….keep it close or take lead
Cavs gotta get better. They need to put these guys away.
The Warriors chant is amongst the dumbest chants in all of sports.
Mostly because 99% of them don’t understand the relevance…
It was actually a taunting chant by the enemies of the Warriors in the movie…
It’s odd because it originates as a TAUNT of the Warriors, in the film
Mute button dude
Here we go brownies is really dumb too as to not appear overly homerish.
Don’t forget the call and response of OH-IO…
Yeah… Ohio teams need to step up their game.
Gotta get the composure back Cavs…
Good call
Wow. Hard to love this effort.
Things are starting to tighten up and there’s still 10 minutes in the half. Gotta fight against the windfall that’s headed their way…
Just too many TOs and dumb plays right now….