Podcast Episode 178: LeBrexit
2018-07-02https://soundcloud.com/ctb-5/podcast-episode-178-lebrexit
Well… LeBron James is gone. Again.
To process this new reality… Nate, Tom, Eli and EG commiserated in the podcast booth. We discuss why we think it happened, who’s to blame, whether it was a basketball or lifestyle move, if the Lakers are now contenders, what happens now with the future of the Cavs, and how this move affects LeBron’s ultimate legacy. So, all in all a pretty cheery listen. In all seriousness though, here’s hoping listening to us vent a little might help you all with your own venting process… and be a reminder to cherish the good times.
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And, as always GO CAVS!
Young draws a foul…. Young is going to have to get better finishing around the rim…. he is going to struggle big time finishing in the paint.
Trae Young finally hits a three and breaks the miss streak!
Spellman with a big time block on Brimah!
Spellman with a good roll but can’t convert in the paint….. Atlanta as a whole can’t shoot right now, missing 15 straight.
Thanks Bullets for destroying my dream of watching Lebron, Rondo, Lance, Javale and Dwight laying waste to the NBA…thanks for nothing!!
Trae Young gets a floater blocked. Derrick White continues to dominate. Spellman misses open three and offensive rebound putback. Amida Brimah with the block…. he was decent last night…. ridiculous length.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014290368706351105
Good move on their part… have to lock down homegrown talent.
Incredible pass in transition by Trae Young after nice defense on Perrantes.
London Perrantes, formely of the Cavs, playing with Spurs summer squad…. had a nice assist and generally running the team nicely, under control.
Spellman getting going…. nice tipout for an offensive rebound.
There we go! Spellman with the pick and pop, then drove on the closeout and finished at the rim!!!
Spellman with a TO…. he looks the exact opposite of last night…. tired, uninspired.
Derrick White is en fuego!
Metu and White for the Spurs are playing well tonight! Metu with a fantastic forced turnover, White with a stop and pop 3.
So… it wasn’t the ONLY deal offered…
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1014285429338591232
Wow…. 35 million dollar mistake IMO.
Boogie and his agent are morons.
https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/1014280091524829185
Omari Spellman with a bad move in the paint…. trades an easy shot for a tough shot. Trae Young misses his first three shots. Derrick White looks like he’s going to make a leap for the Spurs this year.
Metu for SAS looking good early. 2nd rounder this year?
Exum signed a 3 year extension with Utah too…. hopefully he can stay healthy.
This time LeBron will be back in three years.
Kyle Korver for satoransky?
I’m not sure they’d do it, but sure.
So if the Lakers don’t get Kawhi this year… I think they’re in a dogfight just to make the playoffs.
GSW, Rockets are locks. Utah, OKC, Minnesota, probable barring injuries. Spurs are always competitive and will make it if they keep Kawhi and he plays. Portland, NO, and Denver are all hungry. Heck, even the Mavs could surprise if Doncic is the real thing.
Ehhhhh I wouldn’t necessarily reserve a spot for MIN.
Lots of free time for the James’s.
That space jam 2 sequel won’t make itself!
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/1014252500214566913
Philly could benefit immensely with Love. Wonder if they called Dan yet?
Maybe this plus a first from Philly:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9r54mc4
I would
They’re not giving up Covington
Damn.wouldve been a nice signing.
Who?
Raul Neto
Neto keen…
LeBron should have done like everyone else is doing —sign for 1 yr —-HERE—-then peruse the landscape next summer
I think he was just tired of carrying the load and having to deal with incompetent coaches/owners/players.
Who knows…
But then the Lakers get Lance and Rondo. So…
Okay… serious question…
If a 33/34 year old Steph Curry decided he wanted to return to NEO to lead the Cavs to another championship when his current deal expires… would you be in favor of that or not?
Hell yeah… don’t think he’ll ever leave CA, but i’d do that deal all day.
Idk, I despise him severely.
Of course. But it is important to remember he was only born here. He was raised/grew up in North Carolina. Not sure how many ties, if any, he has to Akron.
Just saying… he’s mentioned being born in Akron lots of times…
Interesting.
He would probably go to Charlotte before Cleveland. I believe he owns a house in Charlotte area, having grown up there.
No way. Could never root for that smug face of his. Wouldn’t want him on a vet minimum
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1014246345077592064
https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1014244150143840256
So weird…. I was against cap smoothing cuz I always side with players making more money, but wonder if there are players now pissed about CP3 and LBJ’s union leadership.
They would’ve made more money. They just would’ve applied it all to existing contracts.
If the Cavs play it right, they could get right back in the mix…. Find takers for JC and TT…. keep KLOVE to pad his stats and trade him or keep him, tank and retain 2019 pick….. then sign two max players to go along with a core of KLOVE, Cedi, Sexton, +2019 lottery pick…. that doesn’t sound too bad, I just have no confidence in the Cavs front office.
Gonna be close to impossible to find a taker for TT…
Yup…. smh…. might still have room for two maximums with him on the roster. Him and KLOVE ~50m with 109m cap means two 30m contracts possible…. but they also have to re-sign LNJ.
And that’s also assuming they can move Hill and JR as quasi-expirings…
Yeah…. figure they can just cut them though with the minimal dead cap space? Only 1m on Hill and a couple million on JR.
We want something back for them though. We take on contracts other teams are trying to get off the books in exchange for draft picks. Expirings are valuable to teams wanting to clear cap space.
They could probably trade him in 2020 as an expiring, but that’s one year too late for 2019 FA.
https://twitter.com/mdotbrown/status/1013900943379738625
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014242118116798464
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1014243342367055873
Solid backup.
Interesting pickup… nice bench piece I guess…. and it didn’t cost them anything but money to acquire him.
Best route with Love, in my opinion, is to feature him during the season, pad those stats, and trade him to a contender at the deadline, preferably to a team that has a crappy team’s unprotected draft pick.
I would imagine there are very few contenders with crappy team’s unprotected picks.
Boston and Philly come instantly to mind…
Next summer is going to be wild…
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1014235963856490502
If the Cavs can clear JC and TT off their books, they could be players if they want to be.
In fact, Cavs could make room for two max contracts if they get rid of JC and TT… only guys on the books would be Cedi, KLOVE, and Zizic.
I hope they don’t spend money to spend money. They should stand pat unless they can get elite guys.
Agreed… build with smart contracts around KLOVE unless you can get someone elite.
Maybe McCollum and Curry want to come back to NEO?
That’s the spirit EG!!! I love it already!
Curry was really never here. Spent very little time here after being born. Curry was selected by the Hornets in the expansion draft just a few months after Steph was born.
Pacers should be a force this year…
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1014234887530926080
I liked both of their signings. Got a little shooting and now a little playmaking without busting their budget.
Yep. Evans. Dipo. Bogdan. Young. Sabonis. Turner. Solid.
Probably #3 in the east.
rumor (amico hoops )– D HOWARD WOULD LIKE TO RETURN TO THE LAKERS—-HELL YES SIGN HIM MAGIC—-REALLY HAVE A ‘CIRCUS ‘ OUT THERE —-LUKE WOULD HAVE TO GO GET SOME ‘MED’S ” FROM HIS OL MAN
I need this to happen…go Magic, it’s your Birthday…
No way they’d take him back… that would be an awful PR move with their fans…
It would be a hit with me….who cares about their fans?
I don’t care… just know how hated he was here when he one and done-d it…
Still… that would be hilarious to add Dwight to the Rondo, JaVale, Lance pupu platter…
I’ll order the Howard to the Lakers for dinner please.
“and the beat goes on………..and the beat goes on “
Per source 😂
Live feed on rain necessary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3lshY4PwI4
Jeff Green signs one year deal with the Wiz.
YES YES YES!!!!!
John Wall will love him, and vice versa, I’m sure…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rf3WK_IJ1g
Celtics should try and trade for Butler, to keep Kyrie.
The number one thing the Celtics need to do is pay Marcus Smart the max…
And then immediately sign IT to the mid-level…
Trade for Butler & Thibs and then have Irving jump back to Cleveland!? We can dream…right?
I wish the Cavs were prepping for a color change and new jerseys/logo. Would be a nice fresh “Post-LeBron” start. They went to wine and gold the year LeBron got drafted I believe.
No way man! We just switched our logo to that shield last season and the wine/gold has gotta stay. That’s our identity. No need to change, but just my opinion.
Wine & Gold were the original colors.
Blue & Orange were a Gordon Gund thing.
Yep, correct. The worst look ever was the Gund Arena era with the black/blue/white. Hated that scheme and logo.
I’d like to go back to the throwbacks…. hate the C font right now.
All the jerseys we had right before Nike took over were fine I thought. I would like a play on the jerseys from the Austin Carr era.
Loved those jerseys we had right before LeBron came back. Simple wine/gold/white. Gotta keep that wine and gold!
sigh. there’s literally a live feed on cnn of the lebron banner coming down.
Yeah probably the last time CNN will run anything on the Cavs for the next decade. The team went from the height of national relevance to relative obscurity with James departure. We are not perhaps a notch above the Sacramento Kings or Orlando Magic. And if the Cavs trade Love – which they probably will – tank mode will be in effect due to those 1st round picks being top ten protected.
“now” perhaps a notch above.
Remind ourselves: we are not Cleveland fans because we want national attention, or praise, or because our teams win the most titles. We don’t need recognition, attention, or praise from other places. We don’t need Cleveland to rank high on the list of best vacations or most hip cities. We are Cleveland fans because we love Cleveland for itself: self-determined, hard-working, strong, and humble. Let outsides do what they want, say what they want, think what they want. We were never in it for them, we’re in it for us.
I hear you JoeyB. I am still adjusting to James being gone, and the Cavs probably not returning to playoff relevance for a long time. I said several days before he would probably go to the Lakers, but the reality still sucks particularly with the 4 year contract in LA…..an obvious indication of his distrust of Gilbert and probably James being 4 years older too. And I am bummed that I won’t see LeBron doing unbelievable things anymore at the Q except maybe in a one-year farewell tour. Fortunately, I was at the Q for the two playoff buzzer beaters… Read more »
I think Lebron knows better than anyone that his prime is basically over. in 2016 he signed a 2+1, this contract is a 3+1. So one extra year. I don’t think it means much. He knows his body better than anyone, and I think he knows he can’t keep this up. He rested on court more than ever this year. Luke Walton is probably smart enough to rest him more. The thing I’m most sad about is that I really was looking forward to watching him transform at the end of his career in CLE. He so smart and dedicated,… Read more »
Well said JoeyB… from one Cavs fan in Los Angeles to another… Cleveland is a state of mind… it is not about one person, one star or a need for attention…
I am not saying, EG, Cleveland needs to crave attention, I simply mean the Cavs went from contenders to mediocre at best, or even perhaps not even mediocre, when Love gets traded. I can’t see Gilbert wanting to lose those top ten picks over the next two years. And the Cavs indeed were about one megastar for 11 of his 15 great years.
That’s okay by me. I have a strong belief Cleveland basketball will be great again.
+1. Preach, brother, preach.
Just like what LeBron said in his very sincere letter!
“OKRA” WHITE AND BILLY PREXTON——along with SEXTON might be the surprise ( and hope ) of THE SUMMER LEAGUE ——–hey I can be all in watching young kids develop —–and not be fretting ‘ over every cavs loss—-let the dubs dominate the next few yrs / the league become a joke / and when silvern finally changes the rules to allow for more competitive balance these young cavs will be ready to compete ——just my opinion / hope / dream
let me throw this out– ( just for kicks and giggles –we need a few of these )——if ty can’t -develop ” our youth especially Sexton —what about making a phone call to his college coach–AVERY JOHNSON —who he really connected with—-avery has NBA Experience —–believed he played / coached with POP ??
Avery Johnson is a dinosaur who doesn’t believe in three point shooting. He might be the reason why Sexton didn’t develop much of a three last year. No thanks. I’d rather have Blatt back.
might still being cautious with his 2 foot injuries
Wait… where’s Bonzi Colson?
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/1014187380931252224
Yeah, I sure hope the didn’t decide to sign with the Warriors.
Maybe he’s signed but out with the foot injury???
Yeah he’s definitely out…. just had surgery in the spring for a bone that’s broken twice…. can’t see how he’s ready this summer.
I thought he was ready now. Well, I hope we hold onto his rights.
He might be…. but just read an article that said surgery was had in late April/early May? And he bent the titanium screw when he re-broke his 5th metatarsal….. I have to think a six month recovery IIRC from his first break.
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/1014185680812027904
should we re-hire Chris Grant since we are going to be in assets-collecting mode?
He was very good at that! Even better at lighting them on fire!
Problem is we will still be drafting actual players. Rather have Hinkie. I just vomited in my mouth.
think it is time to go into ‘full tank ” mode——play the youth —-find a decent trade for klove ( we will never get fair value ) but if there are a few teams competing for him / should get a decent return / KLOVE CAN OPT OUT NEXT YEAR I BELIEVE –I CAN SEE HIM DOING THIS —-might as well get something for him——tank and protect our draft pick due to the hawks ——yes I believe the NBA is headed for serious problems —–I can see their tv ratings taking a huge decline
Yup. Klove needs traded soon.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1013993832453681152
I would take the EC all-stars. Not by a lot, however.
https://twitter.com/mattwhitlockPM/status/1013850187201052678
good laugh!
That was great.
https://twitter.com/MagicJohnson/status/52149363379671042
I’m glad he is playing a part in building the new age Laker ‘superteam’.
This thread is really great read. Thanks guys!
Seriously do not get people flipping out about boogie. Name me one player who had been better than average after an Achilles injury?
They can sign peak Michael Jordan, Kawai Leonard, and Jared from Subway, and I still wouldn’t care.
Subway would appreciate you no longer making that association…
Okay I’ll change it to Paul Blart Mall Cop then.
All they need him to do really is stand in the paint and dunk on second unit centers in the playoffs… it’s not like they need him to be anywhere close to his All Star self…
Wizards apparently talking to Jeff Green.
Yes!
This news is almost as great as LeBron coming home news in 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihGHltBuBBI
https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/1014135924941303809
https://twitter.com/CJMcCollum/status/1013972344958869504
We need to sign Delly! Delly vs Sexton during practice would be must see TV.
The new billboard on the Sherwin Williams building should feature Jose Ramirez or Francisco Lindor, or Cedi Osman.
Or an overhead still shot of the 2016 Championship Parade… because that will never change and will always remain in Cleveland…
Good point.
Like that idea a lot.
Does the Lakers front office hate Luke Walton? Are they trying to get him to resign for stress-related reasons? Lebron, Lavar Ball, Rondo, Lance Romance and Javale all on one team? Dude’s blood pressure is going to be through the roof…
He won’t have to do anything but sit back and win with all of that ‘veteran leadership’…
Apparently Fox looked pretty progressed over last year for the Kings…he could be a model of sorts for Sexton.
He looked awesome.
Yesterday I was upset about Cousins signing with GS, but today, it doesn’t even matter. Let GS run the NBA for the next 3-5 years, who cares. I don’t need to worry about them one bit. The NBA os going to have a big problem in their hands with the lack of competitiveness from these young generation. Anywys, my plan is to go to an NBA game at the Q in 6-7 years with seats right behind the away team’s “bench”, when Draymond Green, who at which point will be 33-34yo and on a decline (I truly hope sooner) will… Read more »
I think Boogie is a plant by the NBA to poison Warriors locker room. Like, there is no way this works out. I foresee him getting the Isaiah Thomas treatment by the Warriors by the time the trade deadline rolls around, if not an outright release.
Jaren Jackson > Goat…Trae Young air ball Goat
NBA is a farce
“The perfect team for the gilded Trump Era Of excess and the rich getting richer. Off to SF ripped from Oakland’s shore, to jack up their ticket prices and build their glass menagerie of all stars, their fortress of basketball for the high tech elites. Privileged sons of rich NBA fathers poking their fingers in the eyes of small market fans and rigging the league by cashing in on a freak loophole salary cap anomaly. Hampton’s SIX now indeed…”
29 teams had chance to offer a contract to Cousins
Regardless of HOW he came to join the Warriors, surely you must have some understanding of how the rest of the league is feeling right now?
Come back in a month dude.
I had thought you only posted here because you were a James fan. Why now? I am not being hostile toward you like the banished one, just curious as to why.
Wow…. great game…. some great looking rookies. Marvin Bagley is gonna be a star. Harry Giles looks good, needs to stay healthy. Mo Wagner can ball, great pick by the Lakers. Rookie from Kansas Machaylu(sp.?) can shoot. D’Aaron Fox looks like he’s going to take the next step…. Frank Mason with solid minutes. Josh Hart with solid play as well.
re mo wagner.. sad.. our pick.. they get him @ #27? and we get TT @ 4.. laughable.. you might hate the warriors, but they drafted well.. excellently.. superbly.. the cavs have had, other than the gimme #1s.. one fuming pile after another
WOW… can you believe this??? Boogie got no offers, and called the Warriors??? https://twitter.com/BSO/status/1014004667011874822
Yet, hue and cry about warriors getting Cousins who is actually going to cost them 20 mils.
Explain. 5,3 mil for one year without bird rights.
Luxury Tax. We should know about that
That is amazing if true. Cannot blame GSW for that one. Injured player with a bad rap.
Everyone else turned him down. Even NOP.
FRANK MASON WITH THE IN YOUR FACE DAGGER THREE!!!
Wagner with a nice jumper midrange on the baseline.