Live Thread: Pistons @ Cavs
2023-02-08Good evening CtB!
The Cavs welcome the Detroit Pistons to the shores of Lake Erie for a classic Central Division showdown, a game that will be made much harder to win for the Cavs given the breaking injury/rest news:
#Cavs Donovan Mitchell (groin soreness) and Darius Garland (thumb soreness) are both OUT tonight against Detroit, sources tell @clevelanddotcom. Raul Neto and Caris LeVert will be stepping into the starting lineup, sources say.
— Chris Fedor (@ChrisFedor) February 8, 2023
Ironically, the Cavs played without both DG and Spida and blew out Detroit in their first matchup of the season 112-88. But in that game NBA Champion Kevin Love played an instrumental part (21 points, 10 rebounds, +30 plus/minus in 23 minutes) especially on the offensive side to help win that game. Perhaps KLOVE will make a return? Stay tuned.
Tip off is scheduled for 7:00PM Eastern time and will be broadcasted live on Bally Sports Ohio/Great Lakes, Go Cavs!
Bones Hyland on way to Clippers. So far only thing I saw was for 24 and 25 2nd rd picks
Nuggets were desperate to dump him. I think he kinda sucks, and he thinks he’s a rising star.
Yeah sounds like he’s pretty high on himself. Deals have been flying the past 10-15 min
No bones about it!
They like Braun better.
Clips also got Gordon. Shipped out Wall to Rockets (buyout) and Kennard to Memphis. Danny Green to Houston as well.
Legit buyout candidate for us in Green.
Tremendous restraint from Koby to hang on to Caris despite numerous GMs across the league blowing up his phone, trying to get their mitts on the coveted wing!
We still have an hour
ESPN headline: “Kyrie just glad that KD got out of Brooklyn”. He really is a special kind of stupid. Just a whole other level.
He is short a ‘c’ and an ‘l’ but an overabundance if the oast three latters of class.
The Bulls and Knicks are discussing a deal involving high-scoring wing Zach LaVine, Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times reports
Tade grades, come on ESPN
Windhorst hinted that Kyrie still may want to join KD in Phoenix. These two morons will burn that franchise to the ground if that happens. They might even win a round one playoff series along the way.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wow that can’t be real and it can’t actually happen…
Challenge accepted…
The Suns cannot be that stupid, can they?
The Cavaliers have informed veteran wing Caris LeVert that he won’t be traded before Thursday’s deadline
*CLF cracks open a cold one
Love also supposedly not on table but could be buyout candidate
Is that from Fedor?
Extend or bust with Caris, now. Caris extension + MLE + minor moves.
Though I’d note that no one is reporting we have informed Love, Cedi, or Windler that they won’t be traded.
Matt Moore said it, haven’t seen anything from Fedor.
Not Fedor. Matt Moore reported it.
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1623724026295099392?s=20&t=_K_mRlrq8hgIc6c2BYbzMQ
He’d be a great get, don’t think the Cavs have the picks to get him, unfortunately.
We’d have to eat Harris or Simmons to do it, and the Johnson deal would need to be a subsequent one.
I’m good with standing pat.
Lakers trade Thomas Bryant to Denver for Davon Reed & 3 2nds.
Hill to Indy confirmed. IDK if part of Crowder trade or not.
Blazers- Sixers-Hornets 3 way.
Thybulle to Blazers.
McDaniels to Sixers.
Svi Mykhailiuk + multiple 2nds to Hornets.
Blazers upgrade (height wise) their defensive wing from Hart. Sixers get a nice wing/forward that Charlotte did not want to pay (PJ Washington).
FWIW, despite me throwing out all these crazy trade scenarios, I really do think we endup being conservative.
One is due to lack of assets. The other is the fact that I think the FO thinks we are one year away. This group has not even played a PO game together yet.
Last chance to make a deal with Love’s contract. If we re-sign LeVert, he would still be a moveable piece going forward.
I’d be okay with standing pat this year. Moving Love would create some opportunity for roster improvement but I don’t know if the Cavs do that the Champ.
Supposedly the Cavs told Levert they weren’t trading him. Also supposedly told the same to Love, although he could be bought out, for whatever reason…
Crowder deal is now 3 way with Pacers. Bucks have to sendout around $7.5 mil in salary. Nwora + 2 2nds (I think) to Indy. Ibaka to Brooklyn. Perhaps Hill as well.
If the Nets want to send us some picks, I might be willing to eat Simmons’ contract.
I will re-adjust my thinking, the newly acquited Nets guys can only be acquired in 1 for 1 deals. No Cam Johnson dreams for me in the next 2.5 hours.
That means no more Simmons talk. I’d not eat his $$ for any of the others (save Bridges, of course,).
FWIW, 2nd round picks can have some value. Jokic, Draymond, Manu, Parker.
2018: Brunson (33), Trent Jr (37), Mitchell Robinson (36), Vanderbilt (41), Bruce Brown (42), Devonte Graham (34), D. Melton (46), Shake Milton (54), Jevin Carter (32), K Bates-Diop (48).
2019: Claxton (31), Cody Martin (36), D. Gafford (38), Bol Bol (44), J. Nowell (43), T. Mann (48), J. McDaniels (52).
Herb Jones & Donsumu in 2021.
Tre Jones, Kenyon Martin Jr in 2020.
Bucks acquired Crowder for 5 second round picks
*Mike O cracks open a cold one
Glad the Cavs didn’t touch him.
Seconded.
Playing the role of PJ Tucker……..
5 seconds…. sheesh that is a TON even if some of them don’t convey, that is riduclous
Bucks are all in. Plus he knows Phoenix’s system.
Fahk
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623725682323865601?s=20&t=H6bN0qyXu9MxTJxTXrpelg
FWIW, I am not a fan of Joe Harris. He shrinks in big moments.
I like O’Neale. I LOVE Cam Johnson, but we probably do not have what it takes to land him.
I’d be willing to eat Harris’ (or Simmons’) contract to get him. It ain’t my money, though.
Love + LeVert + Windler
Simmons + Cam Johnson + O’Neal.
More realistic:
LeVert + Windler
Harris + O’Neale
I’m on board with O’Neale but will projectile vomit at any deal that includes Simmons. Just a hard no. Luckily, I don’t see Koby taking that kind of risk given the culture he’s built. Simmons is a cancer only slightly less poisonous than Kyrie. Still intrigued by Richardson or McDermott from the Spurs, but have come around to the Keep Caris agenda. Big question mark for me is whether we can find a shocker trade for KLove’s expiring — hopefully pulling a Ricky to re-sign him this summer at a bargain rate and let him finish his career as a… Read more »
I don’t disagree with you regarding Simmons, but eating his salary is likely the Cavs’ most realistic avenue at landing any of the other pieces worth trading for.
Not sure if that’s evn really true, but with the Cavs lack of trade assets, the ability to take on bad salary seems like their only real leverage.
That’s what I am thinking. We get outbid for any of the desireable pieces, so we have to eat something to get something.
Though I bet there is still love for LeVert in the Nets FO.
My solution to Simmons would be to send him away to get him healthy, see a psychologist, and work on the FT shooting.
If he is willing to work & shows a good attitude, then I may embark on the reclaimation project. If not, I try to find a sucker to take the contract by taking their less toxic trash (Hayward, etc).
I CAN LIVE WITH CAVS PURSUING O NEALE / WOULD WINDLER AND DRAFT PICK SUFFICE OR DO WE NEED TO THROW IN MORE
we will find out at 3:00
More. The salaries do not match. O’Neale makes $9.2 mil, Windler only around $4 mil. Cedi works. Windler + Lopez does not. Windler + Lopez + Stevens would. Or you could sign someone to be #15 and include them instead of Llama.
Not super appealing for the Nets, though.
They wanna get a Crowder deal done 1st. If they can. He ain’t playin’ (Bridges, Johnson, DFS, O’Neale, Simmons, Harris) and he ain’t stayin’.
If they can get anything for Curry or Mills, that is also a priority.
Likely they’d love to get rid of Harris and/or Simmons as well, but that is gonna be harder.
At present, they are still a luxury tax team.
He is another ex-Mitchell teammate.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1623574448577060865?s=20&t=5-8Fmw0iijP3iqk3Ut99Vw
Add Nets forward Royce O’Neale to the list of wings the Cavaliers are eyeing as potential trade targets, says Chris Fedor
They have a TON of forwards, even eith sending Warren & Durant away. Bridges is likely untouchable. Cam Thomas, too, as a RFA this June. That still leaves O’Neale (who is smaller than I thought at 6’4″), Crowder, Finney-Smith, & Wanatnabe. Plus, Simmons functions as a F defensively.
Not to mention shooters like Harris, Curry, & Mills.
IDK how much they want to tear down now, but there is a carcass of a contender to pick over. We do not have the strongest bits to offer (no first round picks), but maybe we can get something.
Especially if we use Love’s contract to eat some long-term salary (Harris or Simmons).
Cam Johnson, not Thomas. Too many Cams.
O’Neal is 6-6 there’s. Sites with bade data out there.
ESPN says 6’6″. Basketball Ref says 6’4″.
Nets blowing it up, I like the Cavs chances of finishing as a top4 team in the East which will be huge to have homecourt in the first round!!!
Yep. Us & Miami & NY for 4th.
Maxey has regressed in Philly. They are kinda wobbly for 3rd right now.
THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH SWEETCHI 👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏🙏
ROLO killing it.
https://twitter.com/rolopez42/status/1623588927863939073?s=46&t=vKs3TmCDlIV3fGnoNwc-FA
😂😂😂
Love & LeVert + some seconds for Ben Simmons & Cam Johnson.
You think the Nets bite?
They could probably get more than that, even with the Simmons albatross contract.
You are probably correct. They will probably try and rehabilitate his value.
Johnson is a FA next year. They have Bridges, DFS, Crowder, Royce O’Neale, and Wantanabe as 3 & D type forwards. FFS, they can spare ONE if we take Simmons off their hands.
Suns, Mavs, Lakers, and Raptors all got better.
And Knicks, and Wolves.
Knicks, too.
But I like KD & Kyrie out west.
I doubt Cam Johnson can be had for the MLE, but we should certainly try.
assuming things integrate smoothly. that does NOT always happen.
Does anyone else find it funny that Crowder sat out because Bridges & Cam Johnson are ahead of him. Phoenix tries to trade him for 6 months & can’t. When he finally gets traded, Bridges & Johnson get traded, too. To the same team.
Not only will Crowder still not start. But the same two guys are ahead of him. HILARIOUS!
He’s a joke. He should go play in China.
I’m sure he’ll get moved again.
To Shanghai
True. I just foind it funny.
They’re gonna flip Crowder to highest bidder.
love it!
Never sign your franchise over to narcissistic star players. This was completely predictable. Cavs did it with LeBron, but he has generally delivered.
Amen. Theidea that KD would stick it out 8n Brooklyn was always far-fetched. You can always count on KD to jump ship as soon as it gets bumpy. It is who he is.
less of a narcissist, and a LOT better
Good to have KD out of the East.. we know how dangerous he is.
Two wild nights in a row
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1623560288170815494?s=20&t=C0noSummLZzJbn3f-RdUWg
KD: 44 mil.
Bridges: 21 mil, Crowder 10 mil, Johnson 6 mil.
The salaries work, no third team needed.
Rockets making out with those Nets picks…
They have to be giddy.
https://twitter.com/cavsnotes/status/1623507960893693952?s=46&t=fI24N1MlEMG7MueVbxPBzw
Nets still stuck with Ben Simmons….lol…
Surprised Nets didn’t get Ayton, but I suppose they didn’t want him….which I understand…
https://twitter.com/spindavies/status/1623534488142901248?s=46&t=fI24N1MlEMG7MueVbxPBzw
Would this mean a move is coming ?
I just don’t see it. Maybe Altman wants to talk about why they didn’t make a move. (which I understand…there wasn’t a lot out there that the Cavs could get in on in any reasonable way)
yikes!
I would think it is just to discuss whatever does or does not happen.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1623563811759304704?s=46&t=uc113US0WJ8rilbSXGdViA
Wow 😯
We need to continue moving up the standings….
If so… the next Mavs Suns game should be interesting (even with the added history of last year playoffs) – March 5th.
Not shocked, but still…gotta be Cam, Mikal, 3 1sts and 3 swaps, and maybe more…
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1623564676066934785?s=46&t=fI24N1MlEMG7MueVbxPBzw
Nets got a haul
Yeah, that’s a lot. Other than Crowder, who is just a tax. He blows.
Cam Johnson is a FA after this year, as is Crowder. Bridges is signed thru 25-26.
Too bad we cannot offer then LeVert & a first for him!
God, Bridges on this Cavs team would be unbelievable…
Good deal for the Nets. Now they can move on from that mess of Durant/Irving.
Not shocked. KD never stands & fights, he always runs for greener pastures.
He is Beta-man.
that’s what I said: WOW!
Possibly the Cavs are involved as a third party.
Based on what rumblings?
Brown out for Boston until after the ASG.
Their schedule: Cha, Mempis, at Mil, Detroit (b2b).
5 games behind currently. 6 in the L column. We could gain two on them if ee win out into the ASG.
Now KD & Brown are out of the ASG. I would think Butler or Siakam replace Durant. Though Allen has a case. For Brown, probably Brunson. DG maybe a possibility.
1 game back of Philly. 3 in loss column. Phiily schedule to the ASB: NY, at Brk (b2b), Hou, Cavs.
If they lose one prior to our game, we could pass them with a win.
@Greg Siesel.. just stumbled upon the video of your friend’s daughter singing the national anthem tonight. Enjoy !
https://fb.watch/iAfT1NuSCh/?mibextid=UUgoR4
NOMAD, glad I found it.
nice!
One thing I appreciate about Kyrie is that he doesn’t foul hunt.
good point
I suppose, but that’s largely because he shies away from contact in general.
Jaylen Brown is going to be out for a bit, with a facial fracture.
I saw the play, friendly fire with Tatum.
The Clippers are interested in Westbrook, if he’s bought out by Utah.
It is a better situation than the Lakers for him. And the Clips need PG help. He is healthy and Wall isn’t, but neither can shoot.
But teams can still play then 5 on 4 on defense come crunch time.
TTM I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A STAUNCH ICE SUPPORTER ALTHOUGH EARLY THIS SEASON MY SUPPORT WANDERED AND I TEMPORARILY DEPARTED “ ICE ISLAND “ O GLAD HI RECENT PLAY HAS “ REBORN “ MY CONFIDENCE// SUPPORT FOR HIM AND HAVE REGAINED “ RESIDENCE ON “ ICE ISLAND “ ———SO THE PRIMARY NAMES IN LEVERT TRADES HAVE ALREADY BEEN TRADED // LOOKS LIKE KOBY /CAVS ARE READY TO RUN WITH THIS BUNCH WHICH I AM FINE WITH 👍
AMEN
There’s also the buyout market, but I wouldn’t get too excited with those options either.
Josh Hart to the Knicks
woooot dodged one there tbh
Knicks def got better
No. Worse.
Reddish for Hart, really?
Reddish will be in China long before he’s ever an impact player in the NBA.
No doubt!
Reddish and a first for Hart.
Knicks got better. Hart will play for them.
Which is what I said.
I was disagreeing with Nate.
Gotcha!
First thing I thought when I saw that deal was…
2 birds with one stone!
Absolutely!!!
Portland gets Reddish and a protected 1st round pick.
Looks like the Wolves are also getting Nikeil Alexander-Walker, and 3 second round picks.
That’s a better return for them.
There is also a rumor that the Lakers will buy out PBev & he returns to Minny.
Also Russell was a negative player for the Wolves this year. It may not be the upgrade that the Lakers are looking for.
I love Ice he does so many things well. His scoring makes him borderline unplayable but he just fills in everything else so nicely. Pass/defend/hustle/cut and a beast in transition.
His offensive game is developing. Teams are closing out on him now. He shot close to 50% from three in January and he finishes at the rim with the best of them.
The current starting 5 of DG, Spida, Ice, Mobley, and ‘Fro was +8.2 points per 100 possessions coming into tonight. As a team, we had a Net Rating of +5.4. That lineup outperforms our team generally.
I was skeptical Okoro-Mobes-Allen would work due to lack of shooting. So far, so good.
Philly loses!
Isn’t there 15 seconds left?
But yeah it’s basically over
SO WITH THE RECENT AQUISITIONS BY THE LAKERS CAN THEY GET BACK INTO THE PLAYOFF PICTURE IF SO CAN THEY MAKE A DEEP RUN
A healthy LeBron and AD with a reasonable supporting cast could be problems. They didn’t just get some positive players, but rid themselves of a negative in Westbrook.
Play-in picture. Maybe. Utah throwing in the towel does help them.
Nate thinks they can make the Finals.
I think the play-in probably. Top 6 is gonna be tough. Especially with Dallas getting Kyrie. Denver, Grizz, Kings, Clippers, Suns, and Dallas + GSW. That’s 7.
WCC THANK YOU FOR THE KAREEM GRANDKIDS COMMENT HE IS SOOOOOOO CORRECT. HAVE ALWAYS HAD THE UPMOST RESPECT FOR HIM AND YES IF HE CAME RIGHT TO THE PROS FROM HIGH SCHOOL HIS RECORD WOULD NOT BE BROKEN EVEN LEBRON WOULD AGREE TO THIS
The Golden Turd is foul hunting to get back into this game.
Having a competent #3 PG is such a luxury. I love it.
We really have 5 guys that can run the point, if we need it.
Rubio still on a minutes restriction per JB
Seems prudent. We have a deep playoff run to consider
We still need to figure out how to run DM and DG together and not just trade hero ball. Does JB have it in him to figure that out?
I think DG and Donovan are figuring it out. They still haven’t had that much time together where they’re both healthy.
COULDN T WATCH 2ND HALF BUSY WITH THE GRANDKIDS. GREAT TO SEE THEM COME OUT 2ND HALF WITH FOCUS AND ENERGY AND MAKING SOME SHOTS STILL NO KLOVE SHOWING/ ANY THOUGHTS// ANYBODY THINKING CAVS STILL MAKE A TRADE
Playing the way we are, I think we’re sitting tight. We owe Kevin, he needs to end his career as a Cav. Shit happens, you never know when we might need him.
If he wants to stay in a reduced role, I would love to keep him. If he wants to seek PT elsewhere, we should try yo make a deal.
Though given his salary, we’d probably have to take on a dstressed asset to get anything (pick/player) useful.
he is not going to get PT with a contender. my guess is he would rather stay a Cav
I hope you saw Kareem’s comment on his record being broken… he said he wouldn’t trade ten more years of the record standing for one afternoon with his grandkids
If Kareem hadn’t been at UCLA for 4 years, he’d still have that record.
Kareem’s the best
This stat where we have more 10, 15, and 20 point margin victories than any team in the NBA is hard to fathom.
30 assist without Mitchell and DG! Hell yeah! Trust the culture
Rubio & Neto can pass.
Dimes: Neto 8, LeVert 5, Okoro 5, Rubio 4, Mobley 3, Osman 3, Allen 1, RoLo 1. Only 10 TO. 3-1 Assist to TO ratio is outstanding CP3 level stuff.
Ice with 5 is nice to see.
Celtics up on the 76ers. If they can close it out, then the 76ers will only hold a 1 point lead for the #3 spot.
Also, I believe Philly has had one of the 3 easiest schedules until this point.
If we can get Spida or DG back for New Orleans, we will have a shot.
The D was great tonight.
D is better with neto and ricky at point of attack. We have a great shot to win through the all star break
At NO will be tough. Zion is out but they got Ingram back. Also have Bulls on a b2b and Philly.
If we win out, the race for that #3 seed is on.
I’m in !
next Wednesday baby!
The Flat Earther will be debuting with the Mavs on ESPN at 10.
I’m going to first tune in to the Celtics/76ers and Indi/Miami games so we can get a lil closr to 76ers and extend our lead on Miami.
Got to give some props to LeVert. He brought it home and closed it down after struggling all game
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO
FOLD THE PISTONS
ROLO get the JYD?
JA was a monster all game.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I had to laugh as well.
Hell yeah ROLO 3!
!
Rolo with the mezzanine hook
I remember when Knox dominated summer league 😂
Capt. Hook!
The kids are starting to look scary. No reason to think we’re just going to get better and better. Mobley and Okoro are just getting started and even DG will continue to ascend