Finals Live Thread: Cavs @ Warriors, Game 2 (#doingwhatyoudo)
2017-06-04The Warriors had 56 points in the paint in game one. They had 21 points off of turnovers. They had 18 second chance points.i
Each of those numbers needs to come down in game two. No matter what the Cavs do, they must work on controlling the ball after misses, defending the paint, and protecting the ball. There’s lots of reasons they have to do those things. For one, they help win basketball games. But really, it’s because those are the things the Cavs can be better than the Warriors at.
The Warriors are known for whipping the ball around, hitting 3s, and running. The Cavs are known for hitting 3s too, but only after a hard drive and kick, or on ball screen. In a lot of ways, when these teams are both at their best, they are doing their damage from deep. Often times, it’s impossible to stop them from raining 3s, no matter the defensive scheme is. There’s a reason the Cavs are number one in 3-point percentage this post season and the Warriors are number four.
In game one the Cavs, allowed the Warriors to hit just 12 3s. That was solid, but it came at the expensive of the above mentioned areas. Areas the Cavs can win at.
The Wine and Gold need to not worry about stopping the inevitable 3s that will come by sacrificing rebounding to get out to shooters, or running to shooters and giving up dunks on fast breaks. The Warriors will hit their long ball one game. The Cavs will too.
Cleveland can protect the rim against the Warriors. The Warriors aren’t looking to kill you with drives. The want to get back cuts, get out in transition , and hit 3s. Cleveland doesn’t have to worry about some over the top jumping dunk dude. There’s no guy one the Warriors whose number skill is getting into the paint necessarily. Why let them dominate down low? The Cavs can own the paint. Kyrie Irving can get to the rack. Tristan Thompson can roll hard. LeBron James can post up, use his shoulder on drives, or roll to the rim.
Cleveland is also definitively the better rebounding team. Kevin Love had 21 by himself in game one. Tristan Thompson is usually able to snag five or six offensive boards a night, and LeBron James can grab how ever many boards he decides too. The Cavs out rebounded the Warriors by nine in game one and that’s including the 15 offensive boards they gifted Golden State. Cleveland has out boarded teams by four per night in the playoffs. The Warriors just 1.8 per night in the playoffs.
The Cavs are also much better at protecting the ball. Statistically both teams play semi-loose given their turnovers per game this season, but the Warriors will play very lose and fast the more comfortable they get in a game. They also pass the ball much more than Cleveland.
Cleveland throws one or two passes before they shoot the ball. There’s not as much that can go wrong. They can focus more on each action offensively because they aren’t doing as much as Golden State. And, they must do that. Their transition defense is awful, so why not stop transition ball from happening as often by not turning it over?
If you still don’t believe that the turovers, points in the paint, and rebounds are really what matters for Cleveland, let’s look at the simple math. The Warriors took 106 shots on Thursday. The Cavs took just 86. If both teams take the same number of 3s, and hit the same percentage from the floor, who is going to win the game? The Cavs need the math to be in their favor, no matter how their offense is doing.
I’m picking the Cavs to clean up their act tonight. They’ve got this game, 113-101.
I guess we found out why Channing didn’t play…
He was no worse than tristan
He was 1-5 and got beaten like a drum on D…
Durant is the hot garbage in NBA. Warriors too scared for a rematch that went down to 1 minute left in game 7, saying they win if draymond didn’t get suspended. Goes out and picks up Durant instead. Actions speak louder than words. NBA allows this trash basketball. Where is the drama…
Big 4>Big 3
You’re literally the worst.
It’s the truth.
It’s not a thing.
Actually, for once I agree with Cols. Their best four guys are better than basically all but one of our guys. The evidence is that without, LBJ on the floor, we basically struggle no matter who we play. Our record without him and plus minus proves it. LBJ was enough to carry them past the warriors last year with a few good scoring efforts from Kyrie. There is too much talent this year. He will have to play every minute of every game AND somehow not get gassed.
We should have fouled someone……anyone……hard tonight.
Channing Frye playing with a fork in his back.
Hope Dahntay lays a dude out.
I hate everything about how we played this second half. Useless to play Tristan, not going with shump when he shut down Durant as good as anyone in half #1, and we didn’t foul them hard once in the entire game
I thought the Cavs were going to play more physical tonight?
The announcers are the worst this game. GS isn’t that good. Cavs are playing that bad.
NEED TO GET BEYOND THAT ” FEAR FACTOR ” UNTIL WE DO IT WILL BE THE SAME RESULTS
Tristan is not worth playing. Didn’t we learn that in the first half?! Cmon Lue!
TT in the paint and can’t make a basket…if Im Giblert i buy him out to go elsewhere….beyond useless
Well, he did get mauled by a donkey…
Uh, ok
he’s getting paid 13 mill a year and every time he gets the ball he doesn’t know what to do….i mean honestly tavares could do the same thing and that guys is a D league stiff….TT isn’t even doing main job he is supposed to in this series so why still have him around?
Unreal that the Cavs can’t get a call
Little Steph finally popped his Finals triple double cherry…
can tell Warriors want this so much more and doing everything possible…..every player doing what they can…for Cavs about 3 players doing this….everyone else beyond useless….similar to last years Game 2….hope some home cooking changes this….hopefully
At least Korver kind of showed up… DWill still MIA along with JR…
DWill hasn’t made a shot in two games. Stage must be too big
Yeah… Delly would have done something… (this troll is for you Cols)
Yep contrast what Delly contributed compared to DWill
Cavs need to add Jimmy Butler. Then it would be fair.
The only way it would be fair is if we added kawhi or kevin Durant. Butler is trash
Paul George
What’s funny is that even if you put George on this Cavs team, in place of, say, James Jones, Warriors are still significantly better. Gonna be the same crap next year, too. Hope Adam Silver is cool with that. Terrible for fan interest, especially casual fans.
Shut up you front running weiner.
West with another 12 seconds in the paint on d
He literally stands there guarding nobody
Ok now is the time you injure them.
Dahntay time!
Well… they broke 100…
KD just can’t miss from deep…
Literally every chance to give an advantage to the warriors the refs have chosen to do so. TT got a block, warriors get 2 points.
Can we please stop talking about last year? This is not the same Warriors team of last year. They are insanely better and the Cavs somehow don’t seem to realize that.
Cavs realize it. What are they supposed to do?
I’ll talk about last year as much as I want… but thanks… ;)
Yep. Added the second or third best player in the world, and their bench is at least as good as last year. And Cury is closer to 100% this year to boot, whatever you may think his status was last year. He’s better this year. It’s pretty disgusting. Hope the NBA is happy with noncompetitive playoffs and uninteresting narratives.
No. They’re not. Still say last year’s team was better.
Not so different from last year’s Game 2 when Kyrie had a rough game… difference is KLove didn’t get a concussion…
Really mystified what the heck happened to JR shooting theees. Sure needed him tonight. He is MIA.
He’s not getting open and they’re not getting him open.
So…are you just allowed to camp out in the lane now? Like it’s a thing you don’t get called for on D anymore?
Yeah. Ridiculous
Cavs played well. Just couldn’t hit a three and the warriors have a big 4.
Giving up 40 point quarters just isn’t going to cut it. And I see no way the Cavs can shut them down. Which is surprising to no one.
Big 4>Big 3. I don’t know what you want them to do.
Play better. Shut up, excuse maker.
Can’t wait to shut these guys the hell up at home
no hard fouls whatsoever by Cavs….nothing to try to intimidate them whatsoever….KD just taking over any time he wants….unreal Cavs…then again this team sleep walked through first two games last year
Cavs played well.
No they didn’t. No Frye, no JR, no Dwill.
ALSO NEED MORE FROM T.T.!!!
Welp.
Game over for real.
Horse shit. West tipped that.
They changed the fruggin call without a replay. Inexcusable
Bad D. Make score a contrsted 2 rather than open 3 for Klay.
Seen so many uncalled illegal defenses by the Warriors.
Our +/- telling the story tonight.
Well the +/- tells the story every night.
another 3rd quarter where Cavs let things go too crazy….Warriors are too good to eff around…can’t definitely tell one team wants it and other just not there
How do you play defense against a team that flops this much? Can’t be physical, can’t let them shoot from 35ft…it’s insane
And we are losing the rebound battle 44/33
That’s really gross…
Very little TT, so not as many boards for Love either…
Cavs just awful from three this game… 5-23 (21.7%)
Wow, Tom Cruise in a Mummy movie…
Looks good.
“Another sensational move from Kyrie” oh really whern were the others tonight.
kyrie like hot garbage tonight was difference in game….Love and Lebron did their thing but Irving is James Harden tonight
And not good James Harden.
Well, we got TT on Durant for a little there.
Uncle Drew makes an appearance
MAN JUST ALOT OF WEAPONS TO DEFEND AND THE PACE THEY PLAY AT ISN’T SOMETHING YOU CAN GET READY FOR IN PRACTICE ——–STILL BELIEVING — BUT ARE MARGIN FOR ERROR IS SLIM TO BE ABLE TO WIN
Irving so impatient tonight.
Irving is total garbage tonight.
Or as you usually say hot garbage.
Kyrie need to show up in the 4th for us to win, 5-16 aint goin cut it
There’s nothing about Curry’s petulant mouth-guard grimace that could be the least bit aspirational to kids playing the game on playgrounds… if he’s the new face of the NBA… the NBA is doomed…
Two huge contributors last year in TT and JR giving the Cavs virtually nothing these first two games
JR only appeared in game 7
5 of 22 from deep. 22.7%.
YES DRAYMOND SHOULD BE SITTING THE REST OF THE GAME RIGHT NOW IF THAT WAS J.R. HE WOULD BE SHOWERED AND DRESSED BY NOW
Basically if Kyrie gives them nothing, they won’t win a game. I think that’s the main takeaway.
Seems like an impossible task to beat a team with that many stars in their prime and healthy. We have a big three. They have a big 4. That extra guy is the entire difference here.
Seems like it but it isn’t. We aren’t trying anything from Kyrie still.
They have 3 guys who can really make plays for others AND themselves. We have 1.
James matching Magic’s 8 Finals triple doubles is amazing, when you realize no one else has more than two
Well, Green with 5 gives us a shot. We need James to be superhuman in the 4th. With some serious help. Attack the rack.
Cavs playing like wimps tonight….other than Lebron and maybe Love every Cavs is scared as hell
Shump & Korver have been pretty good.
They are having a not so great game. The difference in the game is we can’t make a three to save our lives
How the hell is that not a moving screen on zaza?
It is one.
Too much talent on the warriors. Greeen led out but Durant comes in.
Shut up you whiny front runner.
This is ridiculous. How can you play if you breathe on the Warriors and they get a call and you get hammered and don’t get a call?
That Green hasn’t been t ‘eed up is criminal
T up that dbag, refs, don’t you have any pride?
I suspect their are orders from Silvers office to not allow anyone to get ejected this series.
there
5 on Green.
And another uncalled tech on Draymond…
Why does green not get t’s for showing up refs?
Love missing bunnies now.
Down 15 with LeBron resting…danger time.
Green literally wrestling people to the ground. Screw this I don’t need to watch rigged basketball