Finals Live Thread: Game Five, Cavs @ Warriors
2017-06-12Man do I hate the Dubs. I mean nothing gets me as lathered up as a good sports hate, but that team is something else. I spent the last live thread talking about what is so loathsome about Curry, Steph, and KD, and did a liberal amount of quoting from Cullen Galagher’s If You Like the Warriors, You Are a Bad Fan and You Should Feel Bad, Too. I especially appreciated his descriptions of Steph Curry, “whose entire persona can be summed up by the phrase ‘my dad bought this for me,'” mainly because they apply to Klay Thompson too. And we all know that KD is a frontrunning weiner.
But if there’s a proverbial “straw that stirs the drink” for Golden State, it’s Draymond Green. Draymond put on quite a show Friday. From smacking Shump in the head, to picking up two technicals, to getting one rescinded, to clocking Tristan Thompson in the head on a play that wasn’t even reviewed, Dray had quite a night. And remember, Kevin Love got dinged for the weakest flagrant foul call in NBA history after KD whined about getting hit in the noggin.
Draymond also had nothing smart to say after and referred to Clevelanders as “not very sharp,” and then doubling down on that statement again yesterday. It’s safe to say that Dray is a little full of himself. He’s also the key to Cleveland winning this game. Green wants this game desperately, and for all his bravado, you know there’s no way he wants to go back to the North Coast. And Draymond has a history of losing his composure in moments like these. The Cavs need to go at him every second, not necessarily when he’s on defense, but they need to be right next to him goading him at all times. They need pump fakes and prods and pokes in the ribs to try to get himself to do something dumb to get kicked out of the game. And if I’m Richard Jefferson I’m walking near him every time he gets a foul against him and he flails his arm in disgust. Hopefully Dray hits someone and gets himself ejected. I wish they still had Delly.
It’s baffling why Draymond gets the deference he does from NBA officials, because there’s perhaps no one in the NBA who abuses the refs the way ‘Dray does. He intimidates them. The one thing the Cavs need to do is not be intimidated, and they need to be insistent with the refs, without being whiny or lazy on defense. Game four was the first game in which the Warriors didn’t get away with their nonstop defensive fouling. Cleveland must maintain their aggressiveness and put the onus on the officials to make calls or risk this game getting violently out of hand. SI’s Kenny Ducey said it best.
What happened on Friday is best described as shady, just like Dikembe Mutombo prematurely congratulating the 76ers on the first overall pick in the 2016 NBA draft, or the Knicks winning the ’85 lottery. Going back and retroactively removing a foul from Green, keeping him in the game, will live in infamy and fuel even more league conspiracy theories. If anything, it’s making those who truly believe the league influences the outcome of its games and seasons look more rational. Referees need to regain control, and practice transparency and consistency in their calls.
Stopping Green is key because the difference between Green and everyone else at the center spot is stark. Green’s foul trouble has limited Kerr’s ability to play Golden State’s vaunted “Death Lineup.” According to clutchpoints.com, that lineup is killing the Cavs.
The feared lineup has only seen the court for 17 of the total 192 minutes of playing time through four games, netting a 141.7 offensive rating, 69.4 defensive rating.
Meanwhile, Zaza (he who faced no punishment for jabbing at Iman Shumpert’s jewels) was a dumpster fire in game Four, and someone the Cavs will try to consistently exploit in game five. Expect him to play less.
Aside from getting Green to destruct, the key will be maintaining pressure on the Warriors. The longer they aren’t way out in front, the more they’re going to start getting nervous. The question? Will the Dubs’ sense of entitlement, preening, and lack of discipline be their unraveling? God, I hope so.
I would take the same defensive game plan the Cavs had in game one: do not let the shooters get going, even if it means giving up the occasional scrub layup. What needs to change though, is that the Cavs can’t lose KD in transition and just let him go coast to coast (or anyone for that matter).
There are a couple other keys too. First, the Cavs have to start boxing out Steph Curry. He’s averaged over rebounds a game so far in the finals, with double digits in three of the games. It’s also good to do, because leaning on a guy like Steph can sap his legs. Lay some wood on the dude on rebounds. And it’s not just Steph. The Cavs can’t lose the rebounding battle and expect to win. TT, especially, has got to start using positioning, and not just athleticism on rebounds.
Another key is winning the bench minutes. I’m convinced that if Deron Williams plays and doesn’t play well, the Cavs can’t win this game. I’d be much happier seeing Derrick Williams at the two with the Cavs’ jumbo lineup to start the second and fourth quarters, but Lue doesn’t seem included to play that much. Derrick was at his best this year when the Cavs played him as a utility two who could run the floor, dive to the basket, handle a little and hit open threes. He’s a great option against Shawn Livingston, who’s consistently posted up every little guard the Cavs have put on him. I hope Ty has the same thought.
I’m not going to get into the Shump/JR/Kyle debate, but suffice it to say, the Cavs are going to be small a lot. There will be minutes for all three, and they all have to play well.
We know what LeBron and Kyrie can do, and they’ll have to be great. But Kevin Love is my key. He’s been outstanding so far this finals, averaging, 18.5, 11.5 rebounds, 2.8 steals, and a block. His defensive headiness has broken up so many plays. Love’s also shooting 43% from outside, but Kevin has to has to has to start finishing inside. He’s got to go up strong and use one or two pump fakes and a very strong shot to either put the ball in the bucket or go to the line. Kev’s 12-31 inside the arc, and he has to be better and more aggressive. Also, Cleveland has to look for him inside, especially of the Warriors get in foul trouble. If Dray is on Kev or LeBron, and he’s in foul trouble, The Cavs have to go after him on the roll or in the post, and either LeBron or Love have to make him pay.
Golden State feels entitled to this championship, and the Cavs must give no quarter and cause the Warriors to lose their composure. We know they’re capable of doing it to the Dubs and KD. The Cavs played a perfect game from a pace standpoint Friday, running selectively, but conserving energy when they needed to. The pace mastery must continue, and Cleveland must avoid the temptation to get into a fast break contest. They also must take care of the ball. Another 20-4 debacle like game one will give the Dubs the trophy. The long the Cavs’ seem undaunted, the more the Dubs will unravel.
Game five starts in an hour. One game. Just one more game.
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Well again the Cavs bad defense getting exposed​. For next season the Cavs have to find a way to get back to being great defensively.
Longbardi has to go
This isn’t lobgabardi. Lue had 100 games to figure out what to do when LeBron is on the bench. Hasn’t figure it out.
All right. One more charge. Hopefully.
We sure could use Liggins. So glad we have DJones instead.
Much as I like Liggins… Lue wouldn’t have used him anyway…
Truth – Kerr over uses bench and Lue under uses
Need some stops (or missed shots)…
10 again after Korver hit a 3. We make WAAAAY too many mistakes on defense. A symptom of no consequences for stupid play for the first 82 games.
Yep. You practice those switches, calls, body movements etc. during the regular season. Cavs didn’t
LeBron has nothing left. Horrible D and a lazy jumper. Give the ball to Kyrie if thats what you’re going to do…
He does look spent…still probably good for a couple plays yet…
LeBron has given his all, but he is on empty
Warriors buzzkilled my celebration of Korver’s three.
Korver/JR action for threes plz.
the defense of the Cavs is sooo bad….gonna be story of the off season for this team – Warriors just running a motion offense with back door cuts and no one is communicating or paying attention
Well put.
Yet another wide open dunk in transition…
Kyrie fell asleep there.
James killing our D. Twice in a row. And settled for that fadeaway jumper. He’s out of gas.
Let’s go Cavs!!! We have time.
Cavs will need 130 to win. Especially giving up dunks like those.
Is that the tag line for the new Gong show? ” it kinda sucked, but it was a little entertaining”
missed free throws and rebounds have hurt Cavs right now
Shumpert should just be ashamed how awful he has played given his Finals experience.
Down 9 with the rock. Have to score. Likely James in. Lue stole him a minute prior to the TV timeout. Let’s get a hoop/harm here & it is down to 6.
biggst mystery is what did Derrick Williams do to not get ANY playing time in playoffs outside of garbage time…..i still can’t believe he is any worse than Korver is right now and all FINALS
He’s the only bench guy who matches the Warriors’ size and athleticism. Well, unless you count Shump.
Or Shump or Deron… Play LeBron at the 1 to give Ky a rest. No need for Deron to be in.
He doesnt have the gravity of Korver
I believe he’s a worse defender than Korver, and makes dumb plays…
At least they are finally calling their cheating screens.
Good timeout Ty…
How was JR not in to start the 4th??? He’s got the hot hands… Coach Lue blows.
Surprised they left Deron in
This is just mind boggling.
Good glasswork from Love. Wish he’d have hit that 3 a minute ago. 4 on Green.
Ugh. Come on guys suffocating defense!!!
Too much Kyrie dribbling…
Taking Lebron out with their lead 10….
I don’t love the way Lue’s managed his. Minutes, but gotta do it.
For all of 27 seconds…
Kevin Durant is insane
They needed an I win button, they went and got him…too many shrinking violets on the team without him…
Imagine lebron on this team….no real responsibility
If Iggy is going to hit his BS threes, Cavs can’t win…
He always hits BS threes…
Dray goes over Korvers back. Foul on Korver.
JR should be on the court…
Crap. 10 again. Had it to 1 possession.
Need a timeout here to keep the game from getting away
The KD treys are just deadly…
Hopefully he’ll go cold later. He’s so hot now that Curry will defer to him.
More love in the post!!!
Big shot kev!
Great And One Kev!
Strong move K-Love!
Effing Iggy… he always hits his threes against the Cavs…
Kyrie with another dumb shot
Kyrie has no legs…
But do you think MSM will tolerate “Kyrie was hurt” narrative?
I’m gonna take “No” for $500 Alex…
Nice drive Bron!
Will the Cavs have enough energy left to pull it off?
Keep feeding JR.
Need m4q to carry us with smart offense, and lbj to focus on D and rebounding. Also need someone from the bench or our starting all star power forward to show up
Someone get LeBron an iv.hope he has enough.
JR 5-5 from deep. 5-point game going into the 4th.
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Does Valerian look good to anyone??
Could be good…could be another mika munis in space movie
No.
Nah too much CGI
I like the comics. Besson does not have a stellar record but I always have hope he’ll come through. I like the fifth element, hoping this can carry over some of the fun from that.
One more quarter ;ike that. Let this be remembered as the Swish Game.
Can we please get more shots for JR? Run that screen action with him and Korver from left wing. Someone will be open.
Four lousy pts from our bench and all by RJ. Shump, Korver and Deron have kept us from being up,this game
JR is on ? got to look for him. He is streaky.
Lebron is beat, I’m sure, but gotta suck it up…you have a chance to win this…
Down 5. I’ll take that considering where we were earlier. JR HUGE tonight. James is kind of running out of gas. He has to summon all his energy for this last 12. And get some help. Love needs to come up with something. Or someone from the reserves.
You know it would be really nice it Korver hit a shot.
JR!!!!
J Friggin’ R!
All right, bring home us home, LeBron
Agree. Come on Lebron.
moment of truth for Cavs in 4th quarter….its there for them to take….gotta defend everyone and hit their shots….lets go!!!!!!
Another look at the lob to Tristan
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Wow…how the hell do we compete this quarter?? Jr needs to go like 6-6 in the 4th
Ok. Great quarter by Cavs.
Nice D on the last possession to prevent a shot.
Striking distance!
How does JR not have more shots?
Because they are not letting him. They play too.
SWISH!!!! Why pass to ANYONE ELSE??
Too many mistakes from the Cavs and missed free throws.
Yep. We can get away with it vs anyone save GSW or SAS. That’s why your regular season needs to reinforce proper play & call stuff out when done wrong. The danger of flipping the switch.
This could easily be a tie game right now but for the silly mistakes…
Or the FT line.
Exactly, the mistakes and missed free throws are killing the Cavs.
Exactly, the mistakes and missed free throws are killing the Cavs.