Did Harrison Barnes fly at the combine or something?
2012-06-16The draft is in twelve days, so I’m posting something on a Saturday. As the draft approaches, Cavs:the Blog should be pretty busy. A podcast is planned for tomorrow and I’ll be shooting for a fairly steady stream of content over the next two weeks. Today’s subject is a second look at Harrison Barnes.
Many a mock draft links Cleveland to North Carolina’s Barnes. Barnes recently re-grabbed everyone’s attention, enthralling scouts as this year’s “workout warrior” at the NBA draft combine. His nearly forty-inch vertical, fifteen reps in the bench press, and leading sprint speed wowed all in attendance.
What does it mean though? For an idea, I perused the draftexpress measurements database for the most similar players to Barnes for size and athleticism.
My original list of “workout warrior wings” included: Joe Alexander, Ronnie Brewer, Matt Barnes, Rudy Gay, Jason Richardson, Josh Smith, Dahntay Jones, George Williams, Richard Jefferson, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, David Noel, Tamar Slay, Chris Singleton, Thaddeus Young, Xavier Henry, Eddie Basden, Joey Graham and Luke Jackson.
Not a bad list, but after perusing their strengths & weaknesses and college production; I will focus on two players: Rudy Gay and Jason Richardson. Both highly regarded in high school before leading their basketball power-house schools to deep, but failed NCAA tourney runs – Gay and Richardson entered the NBA draft following their sophomore years and were selected in the top-ten.
Gay entered Connecticut as a highly lauded recruit; praised for his size, length and explosiveness. Like Barnes, he never completely lived up to the lofty expectations, mixing displays of dominance with periods of malaise. Boiled down to catch-all stats, their performance in college looks similar; Barnes with offensive rating, usage and PER of 108, 26 & 21 – Gay at 108, 24 & 22.8. Also like Barnes, he possessed great intangibles, but occasionally struggled creating efficient looks at the basket. Obviously players are like snowflakes though, with no two exactly alike. Gay played more athletically and utilized his 7’ – 3” wingspan to accumulate 3.5 steals plus blocks per game. Relatively poor as a shooter, he connected on only 32% from downtown.
Other than the “sophomore, athletic wing with good size, who took his team deep in NCAA tourney” thing; Richardson and Barnes feature relatively significant differences. While both own 6’ – 11” wingspans, Richardson measures 2” shorter in height and 15 lbs lighter. He was a lights-out three point shooter at Michigan State, converting 40% and tallying an offensive rating of 127 on 22 usage during his sophomore season. Also, a nearly 2 to 1 assist-to-turnover ratio combined with his one block and one steal per game, provided for reasonable box-score-filler.
So putting those diversions behind us, where does that leave Harrison Barnes? His outstanding combine still leaves many questions unanswered; in some regards, it may increase them. How can a long, 6’ – 8” tall player, the fastest man in the draft and with a 39” vertical, only block 13 shots in 38 NCAA games? And why a minuscule 11% of available defensive rebounds? His one assist per game as a perimeter-oriented offensive focal point remains troublesome, and after a blistering start to the season, from my January 5th profile until the end, he only nailed 31% of his threes. In the pivotal possession of his final college season, down seven with two minutes to go in the Elite Eight, North Carolina took twenty-six seconds to shoot. The possession, predominantly featuring Barnes, ended with back-up point guard Stilman White getting a lay-up blocked, and Kansas running the other direction for a dunk. Game over as the Jayhawks waltz to an 80 – 67 victory. Prior to that evening, White scored 25 points on the season; an elite player needs to make a play there, and Barnes could not.
Anyways, Barnes’s career amounts to more than one play. In January, I compared Barnes to 2010 – 2011 Danny Granger; a 20 & 5 guy with slightly above league-average true shooting (55%)… a really nice player as a third offensive option. Whether coincidental or not, Gay and Richardson offer almost identical NBA offensive production. For his career, Richardson accumulated 18 & 5 on 53% true shooting, peaking with 23 & 6 on 54% in 2005 – 2006. Over the last five seasons, Gay averaged 19 & 6 with 54%.
While comparing someone to other players does not constitute a complete player evaluation; using HB’s combine numbers to correlate to previous draftees helps to solidify my view from January. My projection is of an almost-all-star, a top-40 NBA player, but ultimately, not an elite talent. There are worse outcomes though than a twenty-per-game scorer with tolerable efficiency and proper size & speed to capably cover his defensive responsibilities.
While I prefer the “shorter-saner-in-his prime Ron Artest, Andre Iguodala, Gerald Wallace” spectrum of MKG to the “Rudy Gay, 2010-2011 Danny Granger, taller Jason Richardson” comparables of Barnes; whether the Cavs select either guy, the team receives a significant talent infusion.
As always happens this time of year, people putting wayyyy too much of an emphasis on the Tourney results of players. Hence the killing of Barnes and the over-hyping of MKG. Oh well, soon a choice will be made and all this will be moot…
The more I think about the roster, the more I’m OK with Beal or Barnes if MKG isn’t available. The Cavs have lots of energy guys in Gee, TT, and Varejao. They need some people that can shoot with range. Way too easy to pack it in against a team where positions 2-5 can’t shoot outside 15 feet.
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Both drafts would be ideal, and are quite possible. In #1, I would take Jeff Taylor with #24 because of his perimeter defense. Besides, Miller’s stock has been dropping lately. I think it’s because of his ACL. He might be available at #33. Other than that, I’d be happy with either of these.
@AAA I like where your head is at, in general. Two changes I would make would be to draft Doron Lamb at 24 in your second dream draft and I would probably also have Ezeli ahead of Melo in terms of a prospect. I think Ezeli’s a little bit better shot-blocker in that he generally seems to re-direct shots rather than bear-claw them into the stands like Melo (or, at least, my recollections of Melo – haven’t watched much tape on him recently). I also think Ezeli has a little bit better touch around the rim and seems to be… Read more »
Dream draft #1
4- Bradley beal
24- Quincy miller
33- Tony Wroten
34- Festus Ezeli
Something like…
Irving/ wroten
Beal/ boobie
Gee/ miller/ casspi
Thompson/ Samuels
Varejao/ Ezeli / erden
Dream Draft #2
4- Harrison Barnes
24- Fab Melo/ Andrew Nicholson
33- Will Barton
34- Tony Wroten
Something like…
Irving/ wroten
Barton/ boobie
Barnes/ gee/ casspi
Thompson/ (Nicholson)/ Samuels
Varejao/ (Melo)/ erden
Thoughts ?
Honestly, I’m just hoping that the rumors of Barnes possibly going #2/#3 after the fantastic combine showing end up happening. Either through the Bobcats deciding they don’t need ANOTHER offensively challenged player on their roster and passing on MKG, or someone offering a nice trade to the Wizards on draft day because they’re sure the Cavs will take Barnes at #4 if they don’t. It’s looked for a while now like their isn’t a clear “#2 guy”, and I’m liking the Cavs chances with their pick. There isn’t much difference between MKG/Beal/Barnes in potential, they just have different skill-sets and… Read more »
The crappy rebounding/blocking is worrisome. At the college level, you want to see stuff like that from wing players too, because pro prospects are still competing against inferior talents. It can tell you that not only is a guy have an athletic body, but that he’s good at combining it with timing and awareness to routinely overpower weaker competitors. Not saying there can’t be mitigating circumstances, but if I’m remembering Hollinger’s stuff on projecting NBA success from college stats, those ones are a pretty big and suckage thereupon is reasonably inauspicious. But will he be better than Anthony Parker and… Read more »
It depends on the talent your building around. TT and irving. Give me another scorer than defensive specialist. I understand that shooting can improve but the only player with an uglier shot in the NBA at small forward is shawn Marion.