Recap: Cleveland 94, Atlanta 102 (Or the Hawks are a lot better than the Wizards)
2012-12-28Close match here. The Cavs battled the Hawks for the better part of 4 quarters, but were out executed down the stretch. Atlanta is a lot better at winning close games than Cleveland. The Cavs were up 1 off of a Kyrie layup with 2:53 left to go. Atlanta needed points down the stretch, and they put Kyrie Irving in the pick and roll to get them. The Hawks took the lead off a Teague/Pachulaia Pick and Roll where Kyrie got lost 10 feet away from the play — not sure whether to cover Teague or the big and instead decided to float. The Cavs called time out with 2:24 to go, and came out of the huddle with a brilliant play: the LeBron Special: a 31 foot iso jumper from Kyrie. Clank. The next play: a Horford/Teague pick and pop: both defenders went with Teague and then Horford canned an open 19 footer. Subsequent Cavs play: iso-Waiters while the other 4 Cavs stood around in bad spots and watched him launch 22 foot fade-away jumper. Clank. 1:30 left, 97-94 Hawks, Atlanta ran another Pachulia/Teague pick and roll. On the roll, Pachulia missed a 5 footer, got his own rebound, kicked it to Korver on the left wing for 3. Ballgame. You read that right: a 7-0 run in 1:11.
A.C. called it correctly. Atlanta runs plays down the stretch, and the Cavs stand around and try to go one on one with no one else moving. He sounded as irritated as I felt. The Cavs really didn’t play any better against the Wizards, but the Wizards weren’t a good enough team to take advantage of it. Atlanta is. The Cavs lack of offensive creativity and execution doomed them when combined with their inability to get stops.
As for the rest of the game, it was a tightly contested yo-yo affair where the lead for both teams bounced back and forth to 9 for the Cavs and 11 for the Hawks. As brilliant as Kyrie Irving is on offense, he and Waiters got torched on defense. Though they combined for 46 points, 9 assists, and 2 turnovers, Teague and Williams combined for 43 points, 12 assists, and 7 turnovers. Despite the turnovers, they played pretty much to a draw. Until they stop giving up as much as they get, Waiters and Irving won’t win. Some of this is defensive philosophy or lack thereof. I can’t tell when the Cavs are supposed to help, when they’re supposed to switch, and when they’re supposed to stay on their man. Unfortunately, I don’t think they know either. As for Saint Weirdo, he certainly lived up to his nickname with some brilliant drives, dribble moves, and nasty finishes combined with some decent passes, and a selection of dumb shots — including the game losing 22 foot fadeaway. 7-21 is not good shooting.
Speaking of passes, Tristan Thompson had the pass of the night with a lookaway bounce pass to Luke Walton that ended up not even counting cause Tristan was fouled on the feed. But it was one of those “WHOA” moments I’ve been noticing lately from Canadian Dynamite. TnT had a mixed game. He gave Josh Smith nothing on offense but crappy 22 footers, holding him to 2-12 shooting. Tristan was +5 for the game and had 8 boards, including a couple really nice offensive ones that led to putbacks, but he had some frustrating moments where he got his shot blocked when if he could have just shielded his defender with his shoulder and put it up off the glass, he would have had much higher odds of scoring… But he’s getting there. He had another “WHOA” moment on defense when he switched out on Teague for 30+ seconds of man to man defense (there was an o-board in the middle), and he got in good defensive position and denied Teague ANY dribble penetration both times. It was, dare-I-say, a Varajao-esque moment. Canadian Dynamite played with more energy than anyone from Cleveland tonight.
Gee was decent, though his shooting woes continue. At least he’s getting to the line. He was the Cavs’ least incompetent perimeter defender. If 4 of Chucky Miles’ minutes had been gone to Gee, the Cavs might’ve won.
Zeller was competent on offense, and his jump shot is coming around, but he still has a long way to go on defense, and Kyrie was passing to him like he had Andy’s hands. He doesn’t yet. ZPA had some bad offensive fouls and a couple more turnovers, but the jump shot progression was nice to see. Unfortunately Josh Smith owned the defensive paint, and nothing came easy there for Tyler and the rest of the Cavs.
Cleveland’s bench was in a word, atrocious. Chucky Miles was back, posting an earth-shatteringly horrific -21 for the game, off a series of awful possessions. His shooting numbers look better than he played. He was 3-7, 2-4 at the line, and 2-2 from the stripe. But his 3 misses had absolutely no chance of going in, and if he was guarding anyone, I didn’t see it. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: if the Cavs want to win, the play is to start C.J. and bring Dion off the bench, because Miles is an order of magnitude better when he starts. But that doesn’t seem to be the goal as much as developing Waiters, and I can live with that. Pargo was awful: slow ponderous, perplexing, enigmatic, offering little of substance. He’s the Skyfall of point guards. His sole moment of triumph was a reverse hook shot layup to close out the 3rd, off some nice Nashing around the basket. What Walton gave on offense with some nice passing and general heady play he gave up on defense and the boards. Asking Walton to guard Al Horford should be the opening act in the Theater of the Absurd.
In their defense, the bench was hampered because Gibson got clocked by an errant forearm and ended up with a mouthful of blood. He went to the locker room with a “head injury” and never returned. He suffered a concussion and won’t be traveling to Brooklyn tomorrow. Let’s hope he’s going to be ok.
Atlanta looked good, and their ability to out-execute the Cavs really speaks to Teague’s maturation. Josh Smith did not let his poor offensive evening detract him from protecting the paint, and Al Horford could be one of the best centers in the league if he was more assertive. Lou Williams is one of the toughest players to guard in the league. If this team could somehow get an alpha scorer, they could be very very good. Danny Ferry be praised. The Tim Misny lookalike should be calling O.J. Mayo this offseason.
Conclusions:
With a young team, it’s often hard to say when they lose whether they got outplayed or outcoached. I can’t imagine the play coming out of the timeout in the late 4th was a 31 foot KI jump shot. It’s hard to say whether Byron called K-Iso, and Irving was feeling it, or whether Kyrie just never waited for the play. But the ball sure is sticking. One coaching thing I notice is that the Cavs are very bad at closing out quarters. At the end of the 1st and 3rd quarters, the Cavs let players get all the way down the court and get good looks at the basket, including a Jeff Teague layup to end the 1st with only 8 second left on the inbound. They need to watch film of Indiana who aggressively traps the ball-handler at the end of quarters, and forces them to the sideline, making it difficult to advance the ball and get off a good shot in limited time. The way teams end quarters lead to point differentials that are not insignificant throughout the season. In addition, though Waiters didn’t lose his starting job to Chucky Miles when Dion came back from his ankle injury, Casspi got a case of the green apple splatters and hasn’t been off the bench since (no pun intended). This is the kind of double standard that really annoys me with Scott. Some players have very short leashes, and some players get all the opportunities in the world. To call coach Scott’s rotations arbitrary would be kind.
I’ve gone through this post without mentioning much of Kyrie Irving’s overall offensive brilliance. The man scores effortlessly, and is a pleasure to watch play basketball when the ball is in his hands. He can score from anywhere on the court. But I think the time has come to bring someone in to mentor him on the little things: how to defend the pick and roll; when to assert himself and when to feed his teammates; how to feed a hot teammate; how to get someone who needs it an easy bucket; how to pull up in traffic and pick up a cheap foul on a defender; how to shot fake and get to the line; how to execute plays in the half court in crunch time, and how to defend the pick and roll. I think it needs to be a player, because Byron Scott is either not coaching well, or Kyrie’s not listening.
I think there are productive ways to do that, and not productive ways to do that. “Remember Dion Waiters = “Saint Weirdo”, but Cavs The Blog = “Avg Blotches”. Where is Krolik when you need him?” That, to me, is not productive. Krolik is barely even a Cavs fan anymore, so asking him to be the savior and come back just seems silly. Nate breaks things down really well, though I think I disagree with him on a lot of things, Kevin is outstanding, and Dani is really talented too. Collin is super talented too. If you dont like reading… Read more »
David
Because this used to be a fun place to hang out and read about the Cavs. Now it’s Cavs the emo-blog.
I really dont understand why people come to the blog, read the articles, and take the time to just throw cheap shots at it. Just go away, or be quiet. If you have something productive to add, argue your points. Thats what I do, thats what a lot of people do. otherwise, shut up.
Remember Dion Waiters = “Saint Weirdo”, but Cavs The Blog = “Avg Blotches”. Where is Krolik when you need him? It is kind of like the first time you realize you can hold your tongue and say something about a “pirate ship” when you are 5 years old and realize you just swore to your friend. The first time you kind of giggle, but the kid that keeps doing it is just annoying as sin. Oddly enough I also agree that I have actually enjoyed watching Walton get some minutes. I wouldn’t mind seeing some more of him every so… Read more »
For those referring to the small hands reference from the Cavs game it was about Josh Smith who cannot palm the ball, If you go to draftexpress and look up predraft measurements you will find TT’s hands to be pretty average sized. TT is physically gifted and his BB IQ is growing. It’s a beautiful thing to watch. Who wouldn’t want to coach a very athletic, ambidextrous big man who is also intelligent and willing to work to get better? It typically takes a couple of years for players to start realizing their NBA potential. It also takes about three… Read more »
Oh and the reason that TT can’t palm the ball is because his dominant hand is his right but he learned to shoot with his left. Nothing to do with hand size
You guys need to settle down. How many games have are best 3 players played together this year. And even the ones they did ply together they have had no chance to get any chemistry because someone was just hurt. To those complaining about Dion and Irving playing together there were several plays in the first 3 quarters that demonstrated why you want them in together playing off each other. One play they both on on top of the wings alternating going off screens from TT in the middle. On the 3rd one Irving got clear into the lane and… Read more »
s87twist – I haven’t been able to find anything out regarding his hand size…which probably means that his hands are about average size. If they were small, it would almost definitely have been noted (because his height was considered to be a big negative coming into the league)…and there’s no doubt in my mind that if it had been large that it would also have been noted (like his exceptional wingspan/standing reach). Nate – I agree. It would be nice to target JJ, though I don’t know if he’d come to be a backup here. Curry is more likely to… Read more »
I was pleased for the most part with how the Cavs played last night. There were some major defensive lapses, but for the most part they came after playing decent D for most of the possesion. That happens against a talented veteran team like the Hawks. What is starting to disappoint me more is the indecisiveness in going after 50/50 balls. Not having Varjejao on the court makes it obvious that the other players are often way too passive. I wonder if it is because they are used to that being Andy’s job and are just used to letting him… Read more »
Yeah. I don’t think Fisher is the answer. Kyrie ought to watch hours of film on Jason Kidd, Chris Paul, Westbrook, Kyle Lowry. Kidd because though he is slow plays fantastic defense and has probably the best hands in the history of the NBA. He’s the NBA’s Gordie Howe. The other three are around Kyrie’s build and play good defense, sometimes tenacious defense. Kyrie “drifts” on defense way too much, and those guys stay engaged. Kyrie often seems to be thinking about the next offensive possession before his current defensive possession is over. I did not realize that last night… Read more »
Tom – If you find splits out of time outs please post the source. I have thought that would show a well coached team before but never found a way to check. That last Pistons championship team was deadly out of time outs.
Also…the St. Weirdo nickname started out stupid, but is almost too accurate to be stupid anymore.
Agreed on Fisher NEVER donning a cavs uniform. He’s a stand up guy, has been on winning and championship teams, but I don’t care for his actual defensive prowess. Much the same way I don’t care for Byron Scott’s actual coaching execution even though he has a pretty nice winning resume and played on championship squads. Kyrie will learn defense the way Lebron, Kobe, and other star offensive players learned. Experience, tape, and talking to other stars in the offseason or at TEAM USA camp with Coach K. He needs to get in Chris Paul’s head a bit, and maybe… Read more »
Derek Fisher = horrendous. I guess it makes me irrational according to Tom’s post but while a lot of the criticisms coming from Nate are valid in the breakdown, I just don’t see how the game reflects poorly on Byron Scott. The Cavs were winning with under 3 minutes to a team that is much better than them. The young team didn’t execute at the end of the game. The Cavs had Luke Walton, Daniel Gibson, CJ Miles, Tyler Zeller, and Jeremy Pargo playing serious minutes, and they still almost beat a good Hawks team. Do Waiters and Kyrie need… Read more »
Derek Fisher couldn’t spell Defense if you told him it started with “D” and spotted him the “efense”. He never averaged more than 5 APG in a season for his career. Not the guy I want mentoring Kyrie.
Doubt we’re getting Derek Fisher. From what I’ve read, he left the Mavs because he had a handshake promise from Mark Cuban that he’d be granted his release if he asked for it. Fisher reportedly asked for his release because of personal problems related to his family. So I don’t think he’s Kyrie’s mentor.
Please no Derek Fisher. We need our young guys to play. I don’t want to watch washed up veterans trying to play basketball.
And yes, the St. Weirdo nickname is beyond stupid.
I’ve never once used the saint weirdo nickname. Get your facts straight, ctown
We saw how Kyrie and Dion can efficiently and dynamically control a game in the first half. Kyrie was getting a destroyed defensively but they were a thing of beauty offensively. When Dion is hitting shots they can dominate. The next phase for Dion is to learn how to consistently impact the game when he’s not hitting shots. I like how he starting to attack the basket when his jumper is not falling but due to a combination of lack of finishing ability and some bias officiating, a potential 7-16 FGA + 8 total free throws boxscore turns to 7-21… Read more »
Hey dbags it’s not a cool nickname. St. weirdo= ctb writers jerking it all over the interwebs.please stop fondling yourselves. If Kevin can just take over that would be best. Nate and Tom are at least Cleveland guys? And write pretty well? Mallory and Collin are covered in weirdo spluge and should please go away
I’m worried, but not going to really worry about Kyrie and Dion playing together just yet. If it makes sense?? Maybe by all star break theyll have worked out the kinks.. Remember it took LBJ/WADE a while to get used to one another and they were 6-7 yr vets. I need another 2o gms at least before I start to question if they can play off one another.
I watched the game. The picture is more or less static. There are four Cavs on the floor looking how Kyrie will play the opponent of a given game day. The team does not have any idea how to play together offensively and the defense is probably even worse. I’m trying desperately to figure out what Scott is doing. If there is no incentive to win, why does Scott not experiment with different lineups and combinations? The starting lineup has been untouchable. I wonder why? They are not able to win games. And it is not about Varejao. The performance… Read more »
Jumpshots can only bring you so far… I can’t wait till the Cavs get a low-post scorer in the draft or per trade… Our whole offense is either driving to the rim (Which only Kyrie and Dion can do) or hoisting up jumpshots, 3 pointers… I miss the Irving-Varejao pick and roll, get healthy Andy!
TT didn’t come back in the 4th quarter until 4 min mark. Way too late!! Agree Gee would have defended better than Miles. I don’t know why he doesn’t go to the hole more. He is so powerful. Does Scott ever yell from courtside. He needed to say quit standing around and get your asses moving when it came to the last minute. And Pargo is not showing his talents. He scored over 20 against Atlanta last time. He looks way too comfortable just strolling down court. Very aggravating when you have seen better in him. We need a productive… Read more »
At this point Derek Fisher is playing the role of Stringer Bell. He no longer has the hustle to fight on the hardwood and he proved during the lockout that he doesn’t have the intellect to fight with the bidnessmen. He would never sign with the Cavs unless they were paying him 401 K money. This isn’t the Princeton offense. I agree that it’s basically just an iso offense with an occasional pick and roll. That could be an explanation why the bench +/- is so bad when Kyrie and Waiters are out of the game. Those two can beat… Read more »
Nate I’ve been looking for splits out of timeouts and end of quarter differentials for quite a while. Seems to be a time of recurring struggles for this team.
In the fisher vein I’ve actually enjoyed watching Luke Walton the last few weeks. He’s crafty.
Might be time to check on Derek Fisher to see if he can teach Kyrie some defense, seeming as he was just cut by the Mavs
It doesn’t even make sense to have Kyrie and Dion on the floor at the same time. One of them tries to take his man off the dribble the other stands 30 feet from the hoop completely disinterested in the offensive possession. The Cavs offense is an ISO or at best a two man game. Would really be nice to see all the players moving, working, trying to create openings or advantages. The last 2 minutes were really pathetic. They ran offense like the game was tied. I’ve never seen a team clear out on two straight possessions when DOWN… Read more »