Thoughts on Rudy Gay
2013-01-30In case you missed it last night, Rudy Gay was traded to Toronto. In a three way deal, Ed Davis will head to Memphis, along with Austin Daye and Tayshuan Prince. Detroit will receive Jose Calderon. Additionally, the U.S. loses its only Iranian born NBA player, as Hamad Haddadi, obviously the centerpiece of this deal, moves north of the border. This deal has several implications for the Cavs.
First, this trade takes the Cavaliers out of the running for Rudy Gay. Sportswriters often liked to conjecture that the Cavs were interested in him. He’ll now be a Toronto Raptor. In my mind, we dodged a bullet on an overpaid player (see below).
Second, Analytics driven front offices are slowly taking over the league. This trade had John Hollinger’s fingerprints all over it. In looking at what he does on the court, Rudy Gay is massively overpaid for his contributions. With salaries of $16.5 million this year, $17.9 million next year, and $19.3 million in 2014, Gay should have better numbers than a 14.39 PER, a 0.0 RAPM, and an 82games simple rating of +1.3. These paint Gay as a player who posts incredibly average per minute production. Furthermore, he plays with some very efficient players in Randolph, Marc Gasol, and Mike Conley. One would think with these kinds of players there would be space to shoot better than .408. In return for giving up Gay, Hollinger and Grizzlies pick up the efficient Ed Davis, who has an 18.19 PER, but a simple rating of -1.4, and a -1.8 RAPM. In Prince, they get an aging vet who is not very efficient: 12.94 PER, -0.9 SR, -2.2 RAPM, and a prospect who needs a change of scenery in Daye.
Daye is the hidden gem in this trade. He’s a player I wished the Cavs could have gotten their hands on for a long time. He was tragically misused/underused in Detroit. A 6’11” small forward, with a ridiculous 7’3” wing span, according to 82games, he holds opposing small forwards to a 7.6 PER, and power forwards to a 11.1 PER (to be fair, he’s often playing against scrubs). He has a 12.93 PER, +5.4 SR, and a 0.5 RAPM. He’s also shooting .525 from three, and .833 from the line. As Kelly Dwyer notes at Ball Don’t Lie, Daye shoots poorly on the corner three, but fantastically from the wing, while Prince shoots well from the corners and the baseline but takes a lot of inefficient 10 to 15 footers. I’m quite sure Hollinger is aware of this. He’s basically traded Gay for a slight downgrade in offensive efficiency but for guys who can hit open threes from specific locations, and who make about $10 million a year less. Additionally, he’s picked up a defensive prospect who’s a restricted free agent next year, and a guy who will be a decent locker room veteran in Prince. The problem comes in that the other part of Prince’s offense is in the post where he’ll get very few opportunities with Z-Bo and Gasol on the team.
This trade gets the Pistons Jose Calderon, who fits the classic Bill Simmons mold of a player who was underrated, overrated, and finally properly rated over the course of the past few years. He is probably overpaid, but he’s a good distributor and efficient offensive player with a 19.37 PER, +2.0 SR, and -.01 RAPM. Calderon’s also in the last year of his deal, and this deal gets Detroit out of Prince’s contract which has about $14.9 million on it over the next two seasons. Suddenly, they’ll have almost $22 million in cap space this offseason. This makes Detroit a destination for salary dumps next season as teams try to shed salary for the 2014 free agent sweepstakes, or sets Detroit up to get in on that free agent class. Given how badly Joe Dumars squandered his last cap windfall on Charlie Villenueva and Ben Gordon, nothing about this trade makes me worry about Detroit at all.
In a way, the Grizzlies inability to get any show stopping value out of this trade points to the analytics takeover of the NBA, and the fear many teams have of adding large long term salary for anyone who isn’t a superstar. Dwyer panned this trade from Toronto’s perspective, citing Gay’s poor shooting numbers, noting,
“It’s like this guy was made to act as a John Hollinger talking point. You can almost see Brad Pitt spitting chaw into a cup while the newest Grizzlies personnel adviser talks up usage rate.”
Toronto is rolling the dice on the gamble that Gay can return to the shooting numbers of his earlier career. Given that there will be more room in the middle in Toronto, this could happen. This also clears out playing time for one of my favorites, Amir Johnson. One of the most underrated players in the league, with an 18+ PER, a +5.2 SR, and a +4.1 RAPM, Amir only plays 25 minutes a game because of a crowded front court, and an embarrassing foul rate of 5.8/per 40 minutes (topped by new teammate, Haddadi’s 6.1).
It seems as if Toronto is not big on NBA analytics, as they might now have two of the worst contracts in the league between Gay and Bargnani who will make over $60 million together during the next two seasons. I like this for the Cavs as it commits Toronto for some long term sucking as the Cavs are ascending. If Lowry comes back soon and continues his early season dominance, this may change, but I just don’t see it. Toronto may be forever doomed by the stain of Isaiah Thomas.
Third, the new wave of the NBA is here: first was the James Harden trade, now this trade. Teams are going to scheme their way out of paying the new NBA luxury taxes any way possible. Players will be traded for packs of Garbage Pail Kids. Toxic contracts will be dumped in Lake Springfield by C. Montgomery Burns himself. The question now becomes, who is the next major player to be traded? In looking at the cap numbers, I can identify a few candidates. Denver is going to have to move someone or pay major taxes next year. JaVale McGee, and Wilson Chandler will be sucking up a combined $17 million next year, pushing Denver’s payroll number to over $72 million. If Iguodala opts out this offseason, they may avoid this, but they won’t be able to re-sign him unless they do a long term deal with less per year money. Cleveland could chase Iguodala this summer, or make a move to take Wilson Chandler off Denver’s hands if they throw in a stud like Kosta Koufos. If Gilbert’s willing to pay, Cleveland could take young talent and draft picks to be the toxic contract waste dump of the NBA. Bring on the three eyed fish.
I’ve already talked about Golden State’s $75 million in commitments this year and next, and the desire to go after Jarrett Jack and/or Carl Landry because of it. But what if the Cavs could eat Richard Jefferson’s $11 million next year, or Andris Biedrins’ $9 million for Harrison Barnes and a draft pick? Hey. They could throw in Gee to make it even and massage some draft positioning…
Boston will be similarly strapped, with $70 million in commitments next year, even before draft picks. They’ve got nothing on their roster I want, I want, but what if Cleveland took on any number of bad contracts they have (Bass, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry — though I’m not touching Jeff Green) in order to get an unprotected 2014 draft pick. If Boston implodes, this is another shot and Andrew Wiggins (which is why Boston wouldn’t give the Cavs an unprotected pick).
This does not mention both New York teams, the Lakers, the Bulls, and Miami who will all be over the tax next year (though the Bulls have some wiggle if they cut Rip, and/or amnesty Boozer), and . Additionally, Washington, Memphis, Portland, and OKC will be just under the tax and may look to shed some salary.
All this adds up to a league that is in major flux: new ways to analyze players are emerging, and some teams are taking advantage of them, highlighted by talent evaluators like Daryl Morey, Kevin Pritchard, Rich Cho, John Hollinger, Donnie Nelson, and Chris Grant. The advantages of analytics are going to disappear quickly as teams catch up to each others’ abilities to evaluate players. Combine that with a new salary system which attempts to punish teams for exorbitant payroll, and spread the talent throughout the league, it’s clear we’re in for a crazy trade deadline and off-season. Rudy Gay was just the next domino to fall. In the words of Marcus Burnett, “s**t just got real.”
Good piece Nate. I guess it’ll come down to which of these teams have owners willing to spend.
I don’t see GS getting rid of Barnes, but we can dream. After all, I didn’t see Memphis giving up a first rounder and 2 role players for nothing either…
I remember a game v DET where Daye couldn’t post up Boobie…tried twice. True story.
The Bulls are notoriously cheap. They could be another team who makes a move to get under the salary cap. If Rose returns to full health Hinrich could be moved. Hamilton too. They have interesting trade assets with that 2016 Bobcats unprotected first rounder and Mirotic. I’m sure they’d love to move Boozer but it would be tough.
Mallory
All you concerns boil down to whether or not the Cavs are able to sign or draft good players. You keep on saying that if they blow this draft pick or sign the wrong guy we are screwed.
Well no kidding. Of course to be a good team they have to sign and draft the right guys. Considering that Grant has hit on Irving, Thompson, Waiters, and even Zeller, I have faith.
Buck up man.
re: Barnes idea – I live in SF and have a friend who is a diehard GS fan. I asked him last week about Barnes (he would be an ideal fit for the Cavs at 3), and he said no way GS gives up on him. They love him.
I would trade AV for Jefferson and Barnes in a heartbeat. My friend said there is no way GS does that because they now have Bogut, so AV not as valuable.
@ mallory
If the Cavs let this next FA period go by without signing a quality player (or attempting to), then yes, I will have concerns about their future. I still believe they will upgrade their roster by making some signings. I’m hoping for a center, but we’ll see.
As for LeBron, I agree. The Cavs shouldn’t necessarily plan as if he will come back. However, I think with their cap situation, they can upgrade the roster and still leave the cap space to sign him.
Oh, someone rescued Dan from the comment monster. I have to agree, Dan. I never heard that narrative either, and I think there’s an awful lot of conjecture there. Wojo’s right that Gilbert’s vitriol burned a bridge and while it endeared him to Cleveland fans (myself included), it was a mistake. What he SHOULD have done was immediately filed a lawsuit seeking an injunction and accusing Miami of tampering with a player under contract with the Cavs. LeBron’s meeting with Riley in Miami the season prior to his free agency was a huge no-no, and would probably been enough, if… Read more »
Thanks Nate. FT% is still puzzling but a solid defender would be a help.
Final thoughts: Great article, but has me slightly concerned. The game of assets is dangerous. If assets don’t pan out you can be in a constant state of flux. There has to be a serious concern, beyond this year, that the Cavs go into “win now” mode, right? Is anyone going to sit here and smile next year if we’re still acting like a dumping ground for NBA junk? I’m fine with some dumps but jeopardizing the short term for a mid 1st round pick seems silly. Irving is a stud, we know that, and TT is a good piece,… Read more »
Nate may not be worried about Detroit, but I am. By the time we are contending (potentially with Lebron), Detroit should have a nicely developed big man duo in Monroe and Drummond. They will be tough, and I definitely see a return to the Detroit/Cleveland rivalry of the late 2000’s.
Highly doubt we could get Barnes + a pick for a salary dump. The Grizz pick isn’t guaranteed to be THAT much (or much of anything, anyway) and they gave us nothing for the long long term. Barnes may not be blowing up the league right now, but I doubt they’d just pass him off. My guess is it’s either/or for Barnes and a pick.
LOVE the Chandler idea. His contract isn’t actually that horrible – he’s an MLE guy who is performing WAY below what he did in the past. Could end up being a good move.
@ Nate
There’s a guy that’s similar to Daye in this next draft, Isiah Austin. He’s 7’0, has a decent shot, and is a pretty good shot blocker, even on the perimeter. There’s a little debate over whether he’s quick enough to play at the 3 in the NBA. But if he could, there’s serious potential there. Several mocks have him anywhere from 6 – 15. He might be a nice pickup with the Cavs second first-rounder. We really need the Lakers to make the playoffs at that 8 seed!!
DaveR:
Iggy’s offense is strictly average, but his defense is elite.
I’d stay away from Iggy. $13M for 13ppg? His price isn’t going down. Also why the hell is his FT% dropping like a rock?
Yeah people are going to be talking about the LeBron thing too much, but you can’t ignore it. You have to believe that the Cavs aren’t going to make a big move that takes them out of the 2014 sweepstakes.
In that article, Woj states: James has been thinking about a return to Cleveland for most of his time with the Heat, including the night of his cable TV special. He had second-guessed himself that night, but once Cleveland owner Dan Gilbert released that vitriolic letter, James understood: There was no turning back. I can’t remember hearing that ever before, almost as if LeBron would have thought about changing his “decision” before signing his Miami contract. Have I been asleep the past few years? This was a very good post at CtB by the way – your Golden State and… Read more »
Wojo beats the LBJ return story again in relation to this trade…. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba–rudy-gay-trade-shows-lebron-james-the-future–super-team-era-ending–065716242.html
The best things out of this trade is that Memphis’ future is a lil more unstable, which makes that pick a lil more desirable, and Toronto should squeeze out a few more wins this season, which if we could keep kyrie’s minutes down which will increase our losses, our draft position improves. Also I enjoyed the direction of the NBA and what you pointed out, all this makes varajeo more valuable trade commodity next year.
Gay was linked to the Cavs because they need a SF and he’s being drastically overpaid by a small market team. I’m glad Chris Grant is sticking to the 3 years in the draft plan. With the Lakers recent surge they may have two of the top 17 picks again. KI and Tristan are developing nicely. Dion and Zeller have had their struggles, but both have shown relevant NBA rotation skills and should improve as they gain experience. I hope that Grant will continue to follow his analytic blue print and draft the best two players available at their draft… Read more »