Recap, Los Angeles Clippers: mean, nasty championship contenders; Cleveland: a nice bunch of up and coming kids.
2013-03-01As I write this, there’s 2:34 left, and Ryan Hollins from deep off the Clippers bench just dunked to stretched the lead even further north of twenty. I shiver as a repressed memory from 2011 sends me to the fetal position.
This game was a dominated from the tip off by L.A. They intimidated the Cavs around the basket all night on offense and defense. The Cavs hung around from about ten points down till late in the third, even cutting it to five at one point, but could never make it more than a two possession game. Nasty, unrelenting defense, shooting that defied the laws of physics and statics, and an officiating squad that will probably be asking the Clips for “Lob City” autographs after the game led to a tipping pint. At six minutes left in the fourth when Jamal Crawford and Chris Paul slit the Cavs throats with consecutive threes and stretched the lead to 18, anyone with a brain knew that the Cavs had no chance to win this game.
I just looked at the box score: and the only thing I can say is, Jamal Crawford missed six shots? I don’t recall him missing any. From 4 point daggers in the corner to pull-up jumpers from 22 feet with guys draped all over him as the shot clock expired to a ridiculous 25 footer from the right wing that went in off the freaking glass, everything this guy shot fell in tonight. Tip your hat, Cleveland and play again next week.
Chris Paul is currently the greatest table setter in the league. 15 assists in 33 minutes? Do you remember any highlights he had? I don’t. He was just heady and solid all night.
The inside game was dominated by DeAn”Tree” Jordan and Blake Griffin. There was nothing easy all night for the Cavs, and Griffin’s 11 board, 3 blocks, 3 steals and 5 uncalled fouls were evidence of just how good he’s gotten on defense. The 50 to 28 points in the paint advantage understated just how dominant the Clips were inside — mostly on lane filling fast breaks, layups, putbacks, and DUNKS. Oh and Jordan bowling over Cavaliers in the post.
But enough of the Clippers respect fest. Cleveland had some nice moments while they were keeping it close. Tristan Thompson had a positive game with 15 and 12 and seemed to relish the challenge of going after Jordan and Griffin. Dion Waiters had another excellent game: 17 points and 6 assists in 28 minutes. He had possibly the best dunk of his career in the third quarter, and possibly the most egregious uncalled foul against him a few plays later when Ronny Turiaf challenged Dion’s dunk attempt with his left arm and pushed Waiters down with his right arm. This is what Dani Socher and I hate about Byron Scott. If that were me, I’d’ve walked out to mid court in the middle of the Clippers’ fast break, pointed at Monty McCutchen, and said, “if you don’t start calling some fouls, you’re going to get my players hurt,” which is probably one of the thousands of reasons I’m not an NBA head coach right now. But anyway, Dion Waiters was really good.
Shaun Livingston had a decent game with 10 points, but could not make the offense sing like he has been. He had two and-1’s to keep it close though. It just seemed like there were two Clippers around every time each Cavalier touched the ball. C.J Miles kept the Cavs in it going into the early fourth with a some conscienceless shooting. His 16 points in 27 minutes were well needed. Even though he shot 7 threes, he moved well without the ball and had just enough cuts to keep the Clippers honest. Ellington’s plus minus came back down to earth with a -15 for the game, despite his 9 points and 3 dimes in 31 minutes. Trying to check the human parabola launcher that is Jamal Crawford is enough to kill anyone’s advanced stats.
The center spot deserves a special note. Tyler Zeller was called out all night by Austin Carr, and rightly so. I wouldn’t say he was “soft” per se, but his play was definitely this side of al dente. He was hesitant all night around the basket: afraid of getting blocked. He was pushed around and intimidated, and perhaps if Byron Scott was more interested in winning he’d have given some of Tyler’s 30 minutes to Speights, who played 18, but posted 10 points and 3 boards in that time, as opposed to Zeller’s 9 and 5. But this year is about development. And nothing teaches like having your butt handed to you. I think.
UPDATE: The initial box scores which this article referenced were not all correct and have been revised.
Wow, Cory. Did not realize his shooting % was that low. His TS% is 46.7% which is pretty terrible too, but at least highlights his good FT shooting.
Amazingly Zeller is actually shooting very well from the field in the last 10 – 52% shooting. Surprising as well.
I don’t really have the time at the moment to delve too much deeper, but I’d be surprised if the team wasn’t a little more successful with Speights on the floor despite his recent poor shooting. Kevin/Nate/Tom, feel like checking this out?
Speights, Ellington, and Livingston are the only Cavaliers with a positive On Court value. http://www.82games.com/1213/1213CLE.HTM
A more fair comparison would be – all things being equal, except for Zeller and Speights, which of those sets of lineups is doing better.
Looks like Cavs have cut Josh Selby and recalled Kevin Jones. Sounds like a good move. Jones is averging 22/12 in D league. Hard for him to find minutes here though.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/226474/Cavaliers-Recall-Kevin-Jones-From-Charge
Speights has shot 37% over his last 10 games.
Wow those two comments were riddled with grammatical errors. Sorry!
By the way, in his last five, Tristan is shooting 38.8%. Do I think that means he’s going to massively regress? No. Do I think the league figured out his improvements and has adjusted? Probably. Everyone is guilty of over-reacting (I could go back and find the crazed TT love from a few weeks ago, if you’d all like) but I won’t, because that’s pointless. With Zeller, we’ve had a whole season of 11 PER, getting downright bullied by centers, and a lot of mediocrity. Again, one season does NOT equal a long-term bust, but this Cavs team will have… Read more »
Lets put it this way, guys. If the Cavs draft a center, that whole log jam scenario becomes very, very likely. Unless the Cavs get rid of Andy/Speights. But Zeller wont match either’s production. You obviously don’t want to give up on a guy too early, but the structure of a team makes Zeller’s quick progress extremely important. With a young, talented SG like Waiters, you can be patient. Same with Tristan. Zeller is quite a bit older, and have shown very little plus and a lot of minus. Not to say he wont be a great pro, because I’m… Read more »
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“Cut bait = see what we can get for him. Obviously I don’t think we should just get rid of him, but his production HAS to go up next year.”
THIS is one of the primary complaints about C:TB. Some of the writers, like Mallory, are waaay to reactionary. You think the actual bloggers have a little more perspective than this. But had this guy been running the show, we’d basically be starting over every year.
In other news…Samardo Samuels posted another dbl dbl in the D-League for the Reno Bighorns with 26 points and 11 rebounds…
Mallory–My snarky remark about TT and Dion in the Zeller conversation is that they have been constantly picked apart on this blog by a majority while a very vocal minority took up their defense. I sensed another overboard reaction coming from the commenters, made especially easy by a poor performance against the Clippers. Being happy about Zeller on draft night has nothing to do with saying he doesn’t really have any redeemable basketball qualities. Not being firmly in his camp…you’re saying that you’ve soured. Your world. Do as you please. Just seems like a classic over-reaction getting ready to rear… Read more »
Cut bait = see what we can get for him. Obviously I don’t think we should just get rid of him, but his production HAS to go up next year. I realize centers = projects, but the guy really shouldn’t be playing more than 10 minutes, if he’s producing like this, next year. The guy is 23 years old – the idea was he was already a refined player whose entire game wouldn’t need to be coached up. The one thing he was supposed to do well, hit a 10-15 foot jumper, has been a huge issue. Those are all… Read more »
otto/grover: golden state has 2 vs houston, los angeles, san antonio ..
houston has a very favorable schedule but play the lakers the last game of the season.
and the lakers have 3 games outside of the golden state and houston, they should lose, would be 4 if rose ever shows up this season for the bulls.
utah has 2 vs memphis,knicks,okc. and a few road trips.
i see the lakers making the playoffs, i think the odd one out is golden state, depends if they can keep up thier strong home record which they have 16 games left at.
i agree with you jason, its like hes a masochist, he enjoys being on sportscenters highlights every night in the wrong way.
grover: houston isnt looking good right now, nor is golden state, this road trip is beating them up. plus the lakers schedule for the rest of the season is favorable, they should have never lost that phoenix games before the all star break.
I’m hesitant to throw Zeller under the bus. He just needs lots of work with a trainer/nutritionist. I’m also not going to call him soft. He’s had games where he’s mixed it up, but as Austin Carr said last night, he just seems like he’s giving the other team too much respect. It’s not Shaq and Duncan, it’s just DeAndre Jordan and Ginger Griffin. I like Tyler a lot. He’s just worn down. He has played far more minutes than any other rookie big man, and he’s hitting the wall. That’s ok. I’m not making any judgments on him till… Read more »
As far as Zeller goes, HGH doesn’t improve effort or BBall IQ. The guy doesn’t desire to mix it up. He’s the epitome of soft.
the hilarious part to me is that people wanted Zeller starting over Thompson, with no evidence to support the idea that Zeller would be better. And before you tell me about Thompson’s insane makeover, just remember that at no point of the season has Zeller had a higher PER than Tristan. I don’t think we are gonna see anything more from Zeller this season to make us feel better, and thats ok. Kevin is right, lets give him an off-season, see how he is playing in January 2014. Expecting him to magically turn a corner is unfair. At the same… Read more »
@Otto-
You’ll drive yourself batty watching the Lakers chase the Rockets for the 8th seed. Let me save you the trouble: the Rockets are in. The team the Lakers are truly chasing are the Jazz. That’s the spread to watch.
Side note… I don’t think we should get rid of Zeller in any fashion just need to light a fire, another reason I like Dion, dude plays angry and I love it
@Otto. Are u a player who is vocal/intense or more quiet/laid back? (Ive never seen u play)I think we need a player who is more vocal and will get on people
I agree that coach Scott Laid Backness is getting really old, just two instances tonight a tantrum was just necessary… An old coach of mine called it taking you behind the shed, to chew you out… Zeller deserved to be taken to the locker room and asked, DO YOU ENJOY GETTING DUNKED ON!!!!?
Also agree laying into a ref for a tech or getting thrown out would have at least let his players know he has their back, and agrees that they should be getting calls, it’s not like his gameplan is so detailed he really needs to be there
Mallory, when you allude to cutting bait on Zeller, do you mean it in the sense like you did with Tristan? Remember, he was a bust and we should have drafted JV? How’s that looking now? Zeller is overworked and has hit the wall. Last night might have been one of the lower points. Of course he would be much better at 20 minutes a night going against backups. Zeller is going to very a very serviceable NBA center. Cutting bait now would make you 0-3 along with TT and Dion.
I was one of Zeller’s biggest supporters all season long, but I’m beginning to get tired of his lack of…pretty much anything redeemable. It’s probably too early to cut bait, but I’m definitely no longer firmly in his camp.
Mallory,
HGH…offseason…
Watching the game it felt like the Cavs were just turning the ball over repeatedly and it was leading to clipper run outs. And when I checked the box score late in the third the Cavs only had 7 turnovers. Thing is, blocks don’t count as turnovers even though they were effectively that all night
I’ve questioned his desire to win all season. I’ve noted multiple times that this season is more about teaching young players how to win, and not winning each and every individual game. There have certainly been games this season where it would have been prudent if trying to win the game at hand to send Waiters or Zeller to the bench in crunch time in favor of someone with more experience. (See the San Antonio game). I’m ok with the process of making the young guys learn on the job.
i appreciate your blog, but really, we have one of the best coaches in the league and you question his desire to win? Speights has been nice but more minutes last night, he was not good. There is more to the game than points,
Agree on all your points especially on Zeller. He was a pussycat and fraidy cat all night. It drove me nuts he was like the matradee on the court. So hospitable to the Clippers. You’re 7 ft; DUNK THE DAM BALL!!! He wouldn’t even go after rebounds. For all the above criticism of Speights; at least he played aggressively. I mean at least go down fighting Zeller . Have some self respect! I’d like to see Scott take it a step further with Zeller. No more you’re the only rookie I will not bench.
No, he isn’t. Especially with two guys who are great penetrators (and there strong suit is getting into the paint). You need a guy then who can stand on the wing, wait for the kick-out, and make a 3. IN a different offense, Gee might be starting material, but one where Waiters and Irving start, he isn’t.
I’m pretty open to what they do in the draft this year, but Porter might be the best fit for this team. Gee is a nice story. The D-Leaguer who made it. He’s just not starting material.
Speaking of Gee, my god wouldn’t it be nice if he could make ONE OPEN CORNER THREE? Do you know how much better this offense would look, with both KYrie and Dion in the game, if the small forward playing with them could stand in that corner, wait for a pass, and make the 3? It would change the everything for this offense.
The biggest difference I see between good teams and bad ones is ball movement. The Clippers routinely made the extra pass until the got the right shot. The Cavs have been over dribbling all season with a lack of screens or cuts off the ball. The Cavs have improved but there is still a lot of chucking and hero ball. For a good portion of the season every time Gee was a black hole.
Speights is starting to wear thin. CJ Miles syndrome. And it doesn’t matter if the shots are falling, because it still isn’t good basketball. My problem with Miles, and I’m starting to get it with Speights, is that they think that as soon as they touch the ball, the world stops, and they should shoot. Doesn’t matter if they were the 4th pass or the first, they are shooting that ball and nothing in the world will stop them from doing so. It’s selfish basketball. It’s also predictable basketball. The other team knows that when these two get the ball… Read more »
Pete, I agree. Cavs play-by-play McLeod, and Carr were discussing this tonight. McLeod seemed frustrated that Waiters wasn’t getting calls. I don’t understand why a better team would get additional support from the officiating. Regardless, this wasn’t the reason they lost.
Can’t overstate just how awful the officiating was in this one. It was painful to watch and I echo the sentiment that one of these days Coach Scott just needs to lose his mind on one of these refs…perhaps once the games matter? Young players + awful officiating = sulking and poor effort.
Great blog guys. Love the “al dente,” but call me Al.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=uq-gYOrU8bA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Duq-gYOrU8bA
I watched the Clippers broadcast of the game and they were gushing about Waiters non-stop.
It’s not moderators (I don’t think, anyway) that cause comments to disappear. It’s this blog’s format. HAs been happening for year.
Speights had too many turnovers, and it seemed like he had more than three. The Kings gave the Rockets another good player in Aaron Brooks, especially given their uptempo no-defense style of play. It wouldn’t hurt the Cavs if Harden turned an ankle, or game down with a 1.5 month case of food poisoning. I will get my comment through the moderators!
Actually, I guess it was calling them the queens that did it.
I think I just had a post moderated because I called the Kings the (nut)Sactown Kings.
Yeah, a few horrific turnovers from Speights too, like when he tried to drive from the top of the keys through three guys… I was a little hard on Scott, cause Speights had a lot of head scratchers, but I thought he could’ve done a better job than Zeller…
Agreed, Rich. It seemed like he had a lot more than 3 turnovers too. Seemed like everytime he put it on the deck he got it taken from him. At least games like this give me faith that they won’t draft any lower than 5-7. And according to Ford’s lottery machine Bazz will drop to 7th (!?). Although the freaking (nut)Sactown Queens keep giving good players to the Rockets for free (Aaron Brooks) so it’s looking less and less likely that the Lakers make the playoffs. Really need Harden to turn his ankle soon.
Speights box-score is very misleading. He was a total, inept, disaster on defense. It started with getting split on the pick and roll twice in the span of 3 minutes in the first half. Then, he gave up offensive board after offensive board. Even when he’d guard Griffin well, he’d give up an offensive board. He was almost, ALMOST as bad as Zeller on the defensive end. Just a terrible effort from the center position tonight.