Kevin’s Pre-season Predictions, a Redux
2013-04-04This week, Cleveland reaches the 90% point of the season, and the team quit already, so now serves as good a time as any to review my bold, and likely folly, pre-season predictions. Let’s dive in:
- 33 wins – Ouch. If Andy and Kyrie played 75 games, this would have happened. The good health was wishful thinking. Please stay on-the-court next year.
- Beat an elite team on the road by double digits – Not quite. Cleveland’s victory in Los Angeles against the Clippers failed to qualify; the Cavs won by seven.
- Lose at home to a horrible team by twenty – Also, slightly off, but a loss by 13 to Phoenix nearly hits the mark. General idea being that the season would be up-and-down. I wish it was ending as “up” though.
- CJ Miles finishes second on the team in scoring at nearly 14 points – Tom consistently noted his friend projecting CJ as a solid contributor on the Wine & Gold, but I was riding that train, too. Miles currently resides sixth on the team in scoring with 11.3 points per game.
- His PER is also 13-ish – Miles is pairing true shooting that exceeds his previous four seasons with career best defensive rebounding; his PER hits 15. At the beginning of the season, I envisioned Miles receiving more minutes, while scoring frequently, yet inefficiently.
- Each of Cleveland’s wings post PER between 13 and 14 – Only Dion Waiters came through here. Miles exceeded, while Casspi and Gee under-performed.
- Boobie’s PER would be 11.2, but with 40% from deep – Gibson is hitting career lows from the field, from deep, and at the free throw line. Sigh…
- He gets traded – Wrong here. Jon Leuer got sent packing instead. Best of luck in free agency, Daniel.
- Kyrie receives four points in MVP voting – If Irving played 70 games, no doubt this would have happened.
- Due to 20 points, 7 assists and 57% true shooting – Kyrie’s TS% is 57%, but his scoring is higher, with lesser distribution. All things considered, I would have preferred my prediction.
- Harangody hits 17 threes – I picked the wrong Luke as my surprise bench player of the year. Ummmm…Harangody made 23 from deep in the D-League, where he is a career 41% three-point hoister.
- Tristan averages 11 & 9 – It’s actually 11.3 and 9.2…I will turn in my prognosticator-card on the way out the door.
- With 47% shooting from the field and 57% free throws – Thompson exceeded my guess, posting 48.6 and 61 to date; this small difference is an exciting development for the young big man.
- Pargo + Sloan > 800 minutes = disappointment – That duo combined for 704 minutes, prior to being usurped by Shaun Livingston, who was fun to watch. Disappointment averted.
- Dion plays 23 minutes per game, with 9.5 points and 2.6 assists – Per minute, I was in the ballpark; I expected Miles to start and Waiters to serve as the sixth man.
- He plays less than 10 minutes several times, due to “doghouse” duty – Pulled several times for poor defense or shot selection, Waiters never went through a spell where he was glued to the bench. I expected the frustrating play evidenced by the rookie in December, but his leash never got too short, and he appeared to learn some valuable lessons regardless.
- Coach Scott never loses sight of Dion’s potential – Undoubtedly true; an odd prediction in hindsight.
- Omri Casspi starts 25 games – He met this threshold each of his first three years in the league, obviously he was glued to the bench this year. I expected a rebound towards his rookie levels, but that did not develop.
- He shoots 36+% from three – again an anticipated return to his Sac-town days, but no dice.
- Jon Leuer mixes nights of high quality ball, with frustrating displays of wimpi-ness – Actually, I meant to say Tyler Zeller (stupid auto-correct). Leuer never managed anything productive in Cleveland. His PER in Memphis is 14.1 though. That makes his career track record over the last four years: Memphis 14.1; Cleveland 3.3; DLeague 20.1; Milwaukee 15.3; Eurocup 19.4; NCAA 28.7; NCAA 30.2. A reasonable pattern emerges with one exception…
- He will be back in Cleveland in 2013 – 2014 – Not so much. I intended to say Wayne Ellington will be with the Cavs next season…stupid auto-correct!
- This year is Samardo’s final in Cleveland – Yes! One for Twenty-two. At roulette, I would be a winner!
- Anderson Varejao suits-up 73 times for the Wine & Gold – Yeah, so, I meant, uhhh “wears a suit 73 times for Wine & Gold.” Next season, play him 20 – 25 minutes per night, and never 4 times in 5 nights. If he doesn’t stay on the court, then I give up.
- He pays $15000 in flopping related fines – I can’t recall any fines for Andy. In 73 games though; who knows?
- Cavs fans quit talking about trading him, as we gear up for the 2014 playoff push – Not sure this happened, but given his current status as “injury prone”, he is almost certainly worth more to Cleveland than other teams. Limit his minutes next year.
- Zeller averages 10 & 6 with 54% True Shooting – Eight and Six with Fifty Percent? Oops. In his last 28 games (one-third of a season), the TS increases to 56+%. I’m holding out hope for a leap next year, TZ!
- He makes second team All-Rookie – This could still happen, right? Tyler ranks 4th of rookies in minutes played, 2nd for total rebounds, 6th for blocks, 1st for personal fouls, 11th for points scored, and 11th for win shares. Only one of those things is definitely bad, right?
- Alonzo Gee makes the ESPN daily top-ten seven times – This was exactly right; I keep a log of these things.
- Kyrie is featured twenty-seven times – Also right on the mark…send me a check and I will predict your future.
- Cleveland is repeatedly mentioned in rumors as the third team in a big trade, but nothing happens – This was more or less right.
- They draft 9, 26, 35 and 39 – There is a lot of wrong here. Everyone thought the Lakers would be good though, didn’t they?
- A draft day trade will occur – This is correct, or at least you can’t disprove it.
- Cleveland makes a big free agent signing or trade prior to 2013 – 2014 – Not sure about this one, but betting on what Chris Grant will do is a good way to go broke. Next year is definitely the time for the master plan to start flourishing.
Pre-season predictions are a fool’s errand, leaving them right up my alley. As this season spirals into unwatch-ableness, we can start dreaming of the draft and predictions for next year.
It all depends on who they bring back and who they don’t. They have unprecedented flexibility. We really have no idea who will be under contract in 2014. Grant doesn’t either. $20-21 million should the starting point for a new contract for Lebron. I think it’s possible he comes back but a bunch of things are going to have to go right for it to happen. Wade’s regression is at the top of the list. Losing the title next year and realizing he’s surrounded by an aging roster is another. No player on the Heat will be significantly better than… Read more »
Cory,
My numbers could be off. Admittedly, it’s been a while since I’ve looked at the new CBA. I thought a max contract contract for a player not coming off his rookie contract averaged around 20/yr. Anyways, I think we agree that they have room to make one significant move and keep room for LeBron.
“The Cavs would have to hit on the turn and the river for him to come back.”
Agree with Tom, well said. All the more reason that the rebuild needs to hit the next stage…competing for a low seed.
It’s gonna probably take a number of things for Lebron to return to Cleveland. I kind of assumed that the Cavs have to make the playoffs next year for Lebron to consider coming back. Any team he’s on would instantly become the favorites in the East. Some more regression from Wade would be needed for him to leave Miami also. Perhaps them losing in next years Finals and him realizing that he’s surrounded with an aging cast that isn’t going to get better in the next three seasons. I dunno. The Cavs would have to hit on the turn and… Read more »
“The Cavs would have to hit on the turn and the river for him to come back.” – good analogy
Tom,
I believe he was talking in the context of what is the best way to attract LeBron back. Adding quality FA’s, and bringing in a coach that will have them competing for the playoffs.
” He seems to think next year is make or break not just for B Scott but for this rebuild”
I kind of took it that he thought Byron was not going to be back.
Most coaches are career retread coaches who are monetary missionaries looking for 401 K money. I want a guy who is driven to make a name for himself in the league. Honestly, I want Thibs, or a guy like him. His players are physical and have fight in them. They would die on the court for him. That’s what I want. Thibs just isn’t happening without the Bulls being a colossal failure next year. Some of the youngsters will be traded at some point. It’s just the nature of the business. There’s not much point in speculating about it. If… Read more »
Closer to 36 million open under the that scenario. i just got a puppy and haven’t slept in two days. That’s a bogus excuse. I’m from Youngstown. We don’t learn math. `
If they get the #1 pick they’ll take Noel or trade the pick for an impact All-Star caliber veteran to a team that is ready for a reboot. I don’t get why people always want retread coaches. Get the next hot prospect. The next Thibs. All great coaches were assistants at one point. Pop left being an assistant with the Warriors for the Spurs. The Cavs aren’t going to land a premium coach. The Van Gundy’s probably wouldn’t come to Cleveland. Sloan isn’t coming back. Get the next big thing. @Cody the Cavs have $18.5 on the books for 2014-15… Read more »
I 100% agree with Cory. If there is a new coach, it should be an hot-shot assistant from somewhere.
Tom
Nobody is arguing against adding some free agents this off season. But you still don’t mortgage your future for crappy players like Iguadola.
I’m down with SVG I guess. But please good god not Mike Brown. We’ve seen that before. He’s been fired now from the Cavs with LeBron and the Lakers with Kobe. If you can’t keep those jobs,
New podcast with Windy:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/really-big-show/id302370014
He says possible replacement coaches for Byron Scott:
Nate McMillan- A guy who in 12 years of NBA coaching made it out of the first round of playoffs only once
Stan Van Gundy- Windy thinks it’s unlikely that he’d come to CLE
Mike Brown- We’ve seen that show.
I’ll stick with Byron Scott.
Windhorst: “The time is now to add veterans.”
Tom, I haven’t listened to the podcast, so perhaps Windhort is advocating jettisoning some of the current youngsters, but as far as adding veterans, what are the expected of minutes for the following players next year? I’ll say… Kyrie – 35 Dion – 30 Tristan – 32 Zeller – 24 Lottery Pick – 20 Andy – 24 Miles – 20 That’s 182 of 240 minutes and doesn’t include Gee. If the team brings back Livingston, Ellington, and one low-cost, veteran big man (adding to veterans Andy, Miles and Gee)…does that count as “add(ing) veterans”? Or are minutes being proposed to… Read more »
The podcast isn’t anything earth shattering. I got the impression that, no, bringing back Ellington/Livingston was not what he was referring to.
I’m not sure I actually agree with Windhorst that the Cavs need to bring in vet FAs to get better next year. He seems to think next year is make or break not just for B Scott but for this rebuild. I haven’t thought that far ahead. Of course he might be saying this because he thinks that’s the only way LeBron comes back (if they are good next season)
Tell em like it is TT!
This from RealGM.com:
The Cleveland Cavaliers have lost 10 straight games and coach Byron Scott’s future has come into question because of a 62-160 record over three seasons.
Tristan Thompson took time Thursday to publicly defend his coach.
“All the rumors about Coach Scott and hot seat and all that crap, that’s bogus,” Thompson said. “It’s up to us to come out and compete and play hard because we’re the ones out there. When he was out there playing, he won championships. So it’s up to us to come out there and play.”
My favorite Mid Season Prediction, from Feb 8th: Cleveland won 6 of their last 9 and has five straight home games. How many more victories this season, and how many ping-pong balls? Tom: Start with 32 wins (no significant injuries) and start walking backwards. I’ll just guess 26 wins good for 5th worst = 88 ping pong balls. Dani: As many as are needed to make the playoffs. Just kidding, of course. I’m not going to predict exact win totals, but I think the Cavaliers will win enough to land in the 3-5 range. Mallory: I’m not sure how many… Read more »
Nate,
My glass-half-full guess failed in the February prediction. Between then and the 10 game losing streak after Kyrie and Dion got hurt, the Cavs went 7 – 9.
J Hill – It will most likely be Noel. Many scouts feel he’s got Motumbo-type potential (one of my all time favorite players).
Cory – I wouldn’t count on the Cavs acquiring a player (through whatever means) that will cost over 7mil/yr. They can spend roughly that much will still keeping room open for you know who. As long as the possibility exists, they will (rightfully so) make sure to have the cap space.
Yep. If we get the #1 pick Noel is the pick. It’s a no brainer. Porter might not even be picked in the top 5.
Kevin, thanks for not being a Negative Nancy
“1. 33 wins – Ouch. If Andy and Kyrie played 75 games, this would have happened. The good health was wishful thinking. Please stay on-the-court next year.”
Wait Kevin, you mean maybe we would’ve been right where you predicted if we’d stayed healthy this season? Maybe the whole organization isn’t in the gutter? Maybe their some reason for hope in the future? Crazy!
The other writers should take notes that just because this was an unfortunate season, doesn’t mean all is lost. Not everyone has to be doom and gloom. Thanks Kevin!
J Hill-
The number one pick this year will be Noel. There’s simply no one else with his ceiling.
Otto Porter’s ceiling is Danny Granger.
The Cavs wouldn’t pick Porter just to try to compete next season. They’re looking at winning a championship long-term, not just being decent in the coming years.
I’d be up for getting Wilson Chandler if his contract is reasonable. That’s the type of trade that’s feasible. A guy who’s not going to win a championship for you but could fill the gap at SF. His contract is about right at around $8 mill/year for 4 years. If we could somehow convince Denver to take Andy and the Laker’s pick, I’d do it. Andy is getting older and if he gets another injury next season, he’ll have no trade value whatsoever. Taking a center with our pick this year and filling the hole at SF with Chandler would… Read more »
I have a question about the draft. Say we get the number 1 pick, do we draft Nerlens Noel or Otto Porter if we are really trying to make a push next year. It seems like Porter is the most ready to contribute, and the SF free agents are few and far between this year, while there are a few young good centers available.
Yea, there will be a lot of teams suddenly going for mediocre to real awful. Fire sale upcoming, I feel, this off-season. Philly, Milwaukee, Boston, Utah, and others will be in total tear it down mode for the 2014 draft. We could honestly get some decent players from some of these teams. With Gallo getting hurt, it will be really interesting to see what Denver does if they get bounced in round 1. They could possibly try and tank? Hard to say. Wilson Chandler is a guy I’ve wanted for a while, though.
That 2014 draft is going to lead to tanking like we’ve never seen before. You can’t tank fully with healthy All-Star caliber players. Multiple fringe franchises are going to hit the reset button the way the Grizzlies did when they traded Pau.
Cory –
Agreed whole heartedly. I definitely think this is the summer to pull the trigger on a big trade. There will be many, many more teams looking for a big deal in 2014.
Honestly it’s not that bad of a prediction list for a team that was gutted three years ago and started over. It’s easy to make a list of predictions for teams like Miami or OKC. It’s tough to make a sooth sayer list for a team so young in their development with so much flexibility. Grant could do anything at anytime. The only thing holding him back is picking the proper time to strike. He has between now and 2015 to use his cap flexibility After that it will be gone. Harden would have been a nice trade but I… Read more »