Notes and Errata: March 31st, 2010
2010-03-31-On the LeBron/Jordan hype and hysteria: look world, I’m sorry. I wish as much as you do that LeBron had a ring or two so his accomplishments could be seen as “legitimate.” That hasn’t happened for him yet. That doesn’t mean the fact that LeBron has been producing at the highest possible level for the past two seasons (including last year’s playoffs, despite the fact the Cavs lost) should be ignored. In fact, ignoring LeBron’s production would be irresponsible. It would be wonderful if LeBron was The League’s Best Player instead of The League’s Best Player*, as silly as the reasons behind that asterisk may be.
LeBron shouldn’t have to pay penance for the Cavs losing in the playoffs last season by having what he’s done over the course of this season ignored. Sportswriters have taught us for years that winners win because they are winners and winners win because they are winners. Saying LeBron is the best player in basketball requires you to reject that line of thinking, which in turn requires going against taking the path of least resistance.
I don’t like doing that. I really and truly just want to talk about basketball. I’d love to put away the notion of “the games really just show who was born a winner and who was born to lose” and let things play out naturally. Unfortunately, LeBron has been so good and so dominant by any possible individual measurement that calling him anything other than the best player in basketball would set back the discussion. I wish the answer to the “who’s the best player?” question didn’t make things so complicated. Honestly, I do.
-One completely random note: the “gooseneck” and “3-3-0” gestures LeBron does have been called satanist gestures. I don’t think there’s anything malicious going on when LeBron and the rest of the Cavs make those hand signals. However, when Lady Gaga makes those same gestures in her music videos (full disclosure: I kind of think Lady Gaga is awesome. Again, I’m sorry), I’m fairly sure she is trying to make references to satanic culture, if only to mess with people. This makes embracing the “gooseneck” thing that much more complicated for me.
-Putting up 20/10 lines for an imploding Clipper team always was Drew Gooden’s destiny.
-This applies to the men’s tournament as well, but I’ll use a women’s tournament example here: one reason I can never get all that into the March Madness thing is that I always feel much worse for the losers of close games than the winners. That poor Xavier girl who missed two wide-open layups right before Stanford made a buzzer-beater to go to the final four? She’ll remember that every day for the rest of her life. I can never quite get over that. Same thing with the Olympics. At least pro athletes in the major sports get paid millions of dollars regardless of whether or not they screw up, and will probably play for a different team at some point. The “pure” joy that amateur/semi-amateur athletes feel comes at the expense of some very pure misery.
-I think “LeBron vs. X” arguments are a big reason why I’m such a big MMA fan; it’s a sport where two guys get into a cage and one ends up victorious. In theory. I used to think “Fedor would kill X” stuff is the best example of why MMA proves that all sports fans are essentially the same, but the anti-GSP stuff may have taken the lead. He tried to finish the fight. The best chance he had of finishing the fight was taking it to the ground. He almost did it, but couldn’t quite get the sub.
The knee-jerk reaction has been that GSP isn’t truly a great fighter because he didn’t stand and trade with Hardy, even though Hardy landed one leg kick when the fight was standing and GSP probably wouldn’t have been able to finish him on the feet. Sports fans will always fall in love with the knee-jerk contrarian angle. Realizing this is probably for the best. GSP is a great fighter. That much is obvious. Agreeing with the obvious doesn’t make you dumb. Occam’s Razor can be your friend sometimes.
-I’ll elaborate on this when it becomes a legitimate possibility, but I really like Nazr Mohammed as the center of the future for the Cavs. He does have an ETO that would make him a free agent this summer. Something to think about, perhaps.
-Alright, that’s all I have for tonight. I’m a bit burned out, and more than ready for the playoffs. I have a few posts on tap, but it’s not the right time to bring them out yet. Until then, campers.
lol this is a great comment train.
Don’t worry about it Dylan, I’ve done that before where I read things too fast and go off, and then later realize it was in jest.
Kobe fans really do say more ridiculous things than even that, so it’s no surprise you thought it was just a troll.
What is with all the “satanic” references in the news lately? Lady Gaga, Jay-Z, now LeBron?
Check out this juicy nugget from Windy:
Sources tell Plain Dealer LeBron’s new Nike contract does not have bonuses for playing in larger market like NY or LA.
No, it’s my fault. I basically invited that to happen by not putting a one-line disclaimer confirming that I was being sarcastic. The fact that you thought I could be serious simply illustrates how bad some of the comments are when you ever wade through them on ESPN. They really are as asinine as my original post. There actually was an ongoing “discussion” in the Hollinger article commentary discussing how Penny Hardaway, and a few others, were better than Lebron in their prime.
MY BAD, todd.. joke’s on me!
-I’m so used to LA fans coming on these blogs and saying ridiculous things… Now that i look back at that post I am embarrassed.
uhhh GO CAVS
@Jimmy-
I thought I did a decent job of making it extreme, especially when you take all of the completely idiotic statements in conjunction. Alas, I was wrong.
Ok, everyone look at Todd’s comment and try to understand the kind of logical fallacies you have to commit to be a Kobe fan nowadays
@Dylan….FAIL.
So this guy like Lady Gaga and Nazr Mohammed…..sigh……
Spare me the upcoming “metrics” a 33 year old Nazr Mohammed isn’t the answer.
@Max.
You’re bang on. However it seems clear that to win a NBA championship one man can’t do it all. You need two or three elite players to win a ring.
Therefore, it shouldn’t reflect on LeBron that he hasn’t got a ring (yet) it’s down to the frachise/draft system (which again we don’t have in football/soccer in England) which means that it can take years getting the right pieces for your roster.
Kobe went to LAL. It’s was always going to be easier to get his pieces quicker.
A couple of random notes re the Olympics: –For a lot of the amateurs/semi-amateurs, there’s a lot of money at stake. Winning a medal vs not medaling can mean the difference between being a full-time athlete backed by sponsors and having to work for a living while training on the side. Or, in some of the bigger sports like swimming, track and gymnastics, making a very nice living versus just getting by. –Lolo Jones. I still haven’t gotten over her clipping the next-to-last hurdle in 2008 when she was a second or two away from the gold medal. Talk about… Read more »
Chris, as a follower of both the basketball and soccer, i’ve noticed the same thing youre talking about. in the best player disscusion, results in the win loss column as not weighed as heavily as the actual individual performance. if this were the case in the states, lebron would have been unanimously crowned the best player in the league 3 years ago. i think its because individuals have more sway in basketball than soccer. its easier to blame 10 teammates for a loss than 4 teammates for a loss. 1 player cant win a soccer game, but in the nba… Read more »
Well Todd, seems you succeeded in bringing ESPN style commentary to this blog. I thought your comment was pretty funny but should’ve known it would have been taken seriously by a few.
@Dylan I assumed Todd was joking, ESPN comments syle. LOL.
@Todd, you are an idiot. There were many dumb things you said, but let me start with the dumbest:
“Who cares if he had a playoff PER of 37.43? When you average that with a bunch of DNP’s in the finals, it would probably be in the 20’s.”.. That’s like saying..look how many tournaments Tiger has lost since he left, clearly he’s losing it.
and how can you call his game winner a lucky shot? He caught the ball, squared up, and nailed it… in what 0.6 seconds or something?? give me a break.
Nazr Mohammed?! The guy only plays for a “motivator” coach like Brown. He won’t opt out this year anyway. His contract’s too big for him to opt out.
If people didn’t spend all day long arguing over who is the best on the ESPN forums, what would they talk about? How much time on site would ESPN see without there being hundreds of posts on one game story over LeBron/LeBrick (funny people still call him that now that he’s averaging 50% FG)? If we are going to say we want to visit ESPN for their articles and coverage, then we have to live with the necessary evil of their editorial staff encouraging the stupid behaviors of the readership, because like it or not, arguing over who is the… Read more »
Yes, 330 is the area code of Akron and surrounding areas. Windhorst has mentioned that he does that gesture to represent his hometown.
Isn’t 330 the area code of Akron??
Nazr Mohammed? By “the future”, you mean for the next year or two? Dude is going to be 33 this year.
Don’t get me wrong, I like his game right now. But how long can he keep it up?
Cue the ESPN commentary: John, you’re a fool. Clearly, Lebron choked in the playoffs last year. Who cares if he had a playoff PER of 37.43? When you average that with a bunch of DNP’s in the finals, it would probably be in the 20’s. In the Orlando series, he led the team in scoring and assists every game, but he only led them in rebounding in TWO! Furthermore, he only hit ONE game winner! (lucky shot) Bad supporting cast? Mo Williams made the all-star team! Ilgauskus is a former all-star. Enough excuses already. If Penny Hardaway didn’t get hurt,… Read more »
Living in England I find the whole “who’s the best debate” odd because it doesn’t really occur here when talking about football (soccer). Current players like Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes (Manchester United) have won more titles than anyone, ever. They are both excellent players, core pieces to their team, but they would never be mentioned in “who’s the best” conversations. On the other hand amazing former players such as Paul “Gazza” Gascoine and Alan Shearer, who won very few trophies (Shearer won just one title in his 15+ year career), are often discussed as the greatest of their generations.… Read more »