Looking Toward Free Agency: Aaaaaannnd Here’s Where It Gets Dicey
2013-05-02Okay, over the last three seasons, we’ve learned a thing or two. For instance, we’ve learned that a team with a starting five of Ramon Sessions, Anthony Parker, Alonzo Gee, Antawn Jamison and whoever is getting Anderson Varejao’s post-injury minutes is, especially with cap-stretching salaries and a dearth of draft picks, a bummer to watch. On the flip, we’ve also learned that a team with a starting five of (the NBA’s youngest All-Star) Kyrie Irving, (he of a very promising February) Dion Waiters, (sigh) Alonzo Gee, (an absolute god-send of player development) Tristan Thompson and whoever is getting Anderson Varejao’s post-injury minutes is, even given relatively favorable salaries and an excess of future draft picks, still often a bummer to watch.
The lumps that we, the people following the Cleveland Cavaliers, took were lumps we knew we would take, and gladly take, favoring player development and a general bottoming out over a Milwaukee Bucks-ish eternal eight or nine seed. But, now, Mike Brown stands before us and says things about defense and about competing and we viewers, along with the Cavs organization, have to hope that the biggest lumps have ended. In order for that to be true, though, in order for the type of play that marred most of this season to be, by and large, in the rearview, we’ll need to be very selective (and lucky) in choosing the complementary pieces to this young and developing roster.
By all accounts, the Cavs want to keep Wayne Ellington, a restricted free agent. Marreese Speights is likely gone (and probably isn’t as good of a fit with this team as we thought during our brief Marreese Speight love-in when he first arrived). Livingston could stay or go and Miles could stay or be dropped. So, who else is out there? It won’t be Josh Smith or Dwight Howard, but I fully expect the Cavs to be aggressive in getting value players that will help them win (more) next season. So who?
(long sigh)
Someone WILL give J.R. Smith in excess of $10 million. Someone might even give Josh Smith a max deal (though, I don’t think it’s collusion to suggest that NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND SHOULD). None of these people will be Chris Grant, though. The Cavs’ free agent targets should look a bit more in-focus now with Brown and his organizational philosophy entrenched. In fact, their free agent targets will be very much in line with their draft targets: long, versatile wing players and bigs who can defend and protect the rim. Remember these three key words: Defense, Length and… well, Defense. These are the “Mike Brown Guys.” As the off-season progresses, we’ll talk about restricted free agents and who the Cavs might target with trades, but, for my initial run at being Chris Grant’s personal shopper, here’s a look at the Unrestricted Mike Brown Guys:
1.) Tony Allen (Memphis Grizzlies, 8.9 PTS, 4.6 REB, 1.5 STL in 27 minutes)* Oh, please, god, let it be Tony Allen. Not only would the 31-year old shooting guard — and widely considered “best perimeter defender in the NBA” — be Mike Brown’s dream addition, it’s feasible there’s a deal with Allen to be made. There’s a chance, with the Grizzlies’ season-long scouring of their payroll, that they won’t push hard to get him back. Could the Cavs offer him something in his current range ($3.3 million**) for two years with an option for a third? Would they guarantee the third year (or increase the yearly just a touch) if it meant landing a guy who could definitely help change the mentality of the team? I bet they would.
2.) David West (Indiana Pacers, 17.1 PTS, 7.7 REBS in 33 minutes) Two things will likely prevent this from happening: West’s desire to sign a long term deal now that he’s fully recovered from his pre-Pacers knee injury and the fact that such a deal would hamper the Cavs’ much ballyhooed 2014 cap space. So, while my money is on West staying in Indiana, he is exactly the type of player the Cavs need: tough, skilled and a great leader. He was signed for two-years/$20 million. Is there someone comparable who might even cost a little less? How about…
3.) Elton Brand (7.2 PTS, 6 REBS, 15.2 PER in 21 minutes) My 2013 free agent darkhorse! Yes, Brand is a tad off West’s offensive production (and, let’s be honest, off of Speights’s production in similarly limited minutes), but if the Cavs determine that the 34-year old can still be a productive player (he has the credibility of once being a very productive player) and can bring him in for around the $2.1 million he made last season, he might be one of those once-g0od-players-who-are-now-great-locker-room-guys that could be very helpful from a leadership standpoint (if not, you know, from a scoring the basketball standpoint).
4.) Carl Landry (10.8 PTS, 6 REB, 17.5 PER in 23 minutes) Golden State is playing very well right now with David Lee out and Landry taking a bigger chunk of the minutes. Now, does this mean the Warriors will push to keep him or that they’ll decide Jarrett Jack is the more important player and cut Landry loose? Will Landry ride a strong playoffs into a contract in excess of the $4 million he made this year? You have to figure he’s on the Cavs radar (as, to a degree, Jack will be, as well), but a lot of things will have to break Cavs for it to be the right fit.
5.) Greg Oden (…) This is the anti-Mike Brown hire: the longer I think about this the more I talk myself OUT of it.
Not much there, right? Take a look at the fee agent list yourself (thanks to Tom’s 4/30 Links to the Present). Beyond Allen, trying to find the obvious right fit ain’t pretty. Still, Chris Grant’s got the money, picks, players and pieces to make some improvements happen. Now it’s up to him to click it all in.
*all stats are for the 2012-13 NBA season and are taken from Basketball-Reference.com.
**salary information taken from spotrac.com.
I know Porter fits our need better but I’d rather have Oladipo. I think there’s a huge difference in their ceilings. Oladipo blows Porter away in terms of athleticism and motor. He’s improved immensely but he’s so athletic that the sky is the limit. He’s no where near a finished product and is the only player in the draft with elite potential, besides Noel. I think his most likely NBA comparison would be a SG version of Luol Deng. But, he’s got the potential to be much better. Porter is long and smart. He makes good decisions. He’s a better… Read more »
@SwIrving-
I totally agree with you about team height, which is why I’m not big on Oladipo. If you play him at SF at 6’5″, that’s OK if you can make up for it somewhere else….but the Cavs are basically at inch small at nearly every position already. That’s why Porter HAS to be the guy.
grover, SwIrving, etc,
If you read my article from today, small forward is the position most likely for success to mirror height.
Porter!!
I agree with $. If Collins was four years younger than it wouldn’t be a terrible idea. Collins’ career is over and it has nothing to do with homophobia and everything to do with him being 34 and ineffective. Signing a broken down player only because he came out sounds like an attention ploy or a carnival trick.
Olidapo is just not a 3 though. I really hope we get porter over him, at some point we can’t be taken seriously if we’re shorter than our opponent at every position. I know height is not the most important thing, but it is important. Also, T, Love the analysis about how our mobile big men should fit in to Mike Brown’s hedge and recover defense. If we get an 80% Oden for 15 minutes a game, that should equate to 15 minutes of some pretty hellacious defense, assuming Kyrie can stop Ole’ing opposing point gaurds. Agree, its unlikely, but… Read more »
For real? You want to bring in Collins just became he came out of the closet? That’s almost as bad as not wanting to bring him in because he came out…
I’ll pass on him. Lots of other old big men with more skill and less controversy. The last thing this team needs is distractions.
Everyone is talking about a 3 & D wing guy… unless we get the #1 pick… which is pretty unlikely, we are drafting a 3 & D guy in Porter or Oladipo, juss sayen
Brown requires his bigs to hedge hard and recover, so I’m stoked to see how well TT and Z Jr’s mobility plays into MB’s defensive schemes given the ground they can cover, I look for the Cavs to spend their money on simarly quick-footed post players. This should help Kyrie’s PnR defense tremendously. I see the Cavs holding on to Livingston (A Mike Brown guy if ive ever seen one), and making a big pitch for a restricted guy, That won’t work…but I think they’ll be OK with it, and at least be able to say they tried. Health +… Read more »
@Joey Joe, contrary to popular belief, Wes Johnson and Sam Young cannot shoot. The 2010-2011 seaon and playoff were probably Young’s NBA peak. I wish Johnson was better than he is, but the fact of the matter is that he is probably an end of the bench wing. I like most of your other choices, particularly Budinger (good shooter, iffy D), and Brewer (good D, iffy shooter). Both of those guys fit the Cavs in age and need. Finding legit 3 and D guys really is harder than one would think.
@Ben Werth
I couldn’t agree more about Brandon Rush. Good defender, perfect age (veteran prescence, but still young enough to grow) rebounds his position, 45% 3pt fg last year (41% career), can defend either wing position. Hopefully the ACL is fully healed, but if it is he’s an awesome fit with any of the Cavs guards and forwards because of his unique skill set.
Oden is definitely worth the the risk but the Cavs are really tempting fate if they target Oden, and Rush and have Andy and Kyrie on the roster.
Honestly, I would really like to sign Jason Collins. Obviously, I don’t want him for huge onfloor contributions, but in light of his recent bravery, I think his character and defensive first mentality would be really helpful as a spot duty 4th big. I realize that that 4th big is often a good spot to to stash the raw über- athletic young guy, but in reality, the locker room “good” guy has made more hay at that spot than the perceived upside youngster, ie, Scalabrini, Madsen, Obert, Salley, Wennington,,etc,, the list go on. I like having a 4th big who… Read more »
Thanks for reading, Oriol. We’ll just take Pau and Marc Gasol from your national team, if that’s okay…
The only hang up I can see with Barnes is that he took a jab at Mike Brown at the beginning of the season. Children hold grudges, adults get over shit. A ton of NBA players have come around on coaches they didn’t necessarily like at earlier points in their career. Considering that Barnes has only made $12 million he probably doesn’t have a shitload of money saved up. After taxes he probably got $6 million total in 9 years. With the ridiculously high cost of living in LA, machismo NBA spending and virtually no endorsement money he’ll sign a… Read more »
I mean, Matt Barnes has changed teams 8 teams in his 10 year career. While he has played for every California team & Phoenix, he has also played for NY, Philly & Orlando. Since he has left the west coast before, I don’t see why he wouldn’t again. I definitely wouldn’t mind if the Cavs try to sign him. Also like Landry & West. Not a big fan of Tony Allen, but as long as we aren’t investing too much he would at least provide value as a defensive role model for our young guys.
Barnes might not sign with the Cavs but i dont buy that he wouldnt leave LA. He’s made just over $12 million in his 9 year career. Cash is cash. He left the Lakers on muddled terms and the Clippers won’t give him a hefty raise. He can still be a mercenary for a year or two. He probably won’t get a long term go contract anywhere. The Kings would actually be an interesting option for him also. He’s what they need.
How the hell is Greg Oden the anti Mike Brown. He will cost us nothing. Very likely will be capable of contributing 10 solid minutes a night at the least given some time to recuperate from injuries and rebuild his confidence. When he did play he was a rebounding monster and devastating paint defender. The only reason we would even have a chance at him is his familiarity with Ohio and the low expectations of our team. Where is the downside? What is the negative? That’s prudent managing, a very small investment for a very large potential payoff.
Very nice post Bob!
we follow you from Barcelona via Sarah!
we cannot send you a second Anderson Varejao from our team but… I agree with the posts about Pekovic!
of course my dream is to see his teammate Ricky Rubio on a Cavs uniform but it will not be possible for a while
Another player we have in Barcelona that does not fit the european game and needs some “patience” is our big man australian Nathan Jawai… he is a beast… take a look at him!
Oriol
Matt Barnes isn’t leaving the west coast.
RE: Elton Brand. His numbers and especially his defense were good in the first half the season. They significantly tailed off as the season went on. It’s clear he’s a guy who shouldn’t play more than 15 minutes a night, at most. He’s in the twilight of his career at this point. He is a veteran presence and will garner a 15 PER, but he’s probably not worth more than a vet minimum.
While I have read a bit about Tony Allen’s defensive value, I’ve also seen articles about how his inability to hit 3’s limits his playing time in the playoffs by vastly reducing the spacing on the offensive end. The Cavs definitely could use some more defense, but I’d prefer a guy that could at least stand in the corner and hit an occasional three. Unless we can put out enough shooters that allow him to get the types of buckets he is able to get, I don’t think he’d be as valuable for us as he will be to other… Read more »
@ Cory
If only Ray Allen had decided to ride Lebron’s coattails to a title a few years earlier, right?
Looking at the restricteds is only one part of it, obviously. I doubt we hit the jackpot in this group BUT I think there is some room for creative value. Because, at present, so many of our minutes are going to young guys, I’m envisioning our signings being inexpensive and playing 20-ish minutes or less. Of course, that could change, but I would be surprised to see us pay Pekovic (who someone will give $12 million/yr) … Budinger is interesting, especially since his injury might drive down his price some.
You want a Mike Brown guy? How about a guy who actually was a Mike Brown guy….Matt Barnes. I’d want Barnes regardless of what the Cavs do in the draft? He’s been playing on basically veteran minimum contracts the past few years for contenders. At some point a guy needs long-term security. Barnes is like a bigger Delonte West but without the full-fledged chemical imbalance. He’s a tenacious defender and is playoff tested. Matt Barnes would be my top free agent target with an offer of $4 or so per season.
The Jenning’s situation with the Bucks is a perfect example of how small market teams are screwed no matter what they do. This is it. The small market team’s only chance of sustained success is to find a golden ticket in a candy bar in the right year. Jenning’s isn’t worth a max deal, but for Milwaukee to keep him they’ll have to give him one. If he leaves they’ll be a late lottery team. If he stays they still have a deviation between being a late lottery team or playoff chum. It’s Michael Redd all over again. Redd could… Read more »
@ d
We’ve been talking about Pekovic in other threads. I’d be willing to pay him 8-9 mil per year but I doubt he will be available for less than 10. Gortat has also been mentioned as a trade target. All speculation at this point, obviously.
I love Tony Allen as a player, but in the playoffs he becomes less of a factor because teams can completely ignore him defensively and clog the paint. I would prefer a guy who can also shoot, even if he isn’t the dominant defender that TA already is…or draft a guy like Jamaal Franklin if we’re looking for another SG.
Personally, I want to see Grant swing a blockbuster trade for an established star, but I sure hope he can do it without giving up both TT and Dion.
I’ll take Allen all day. All day!
great stuff.
Cavs still need a center (nope, Zeller’s not a starting center unless they makes a big jump). How come no one’s mention Nikola Pekovic? He’s an absolute beast on the boards, would team up with TT well and it doesn’t appear like the Wolves will be able to match the offer that someone makes him.
Or Al Jefferson if the price is right?
I have to go all Col. Gessup on this one. “Ar these really the best options the Cavs have? Brand and Allen? Plese tell there’s something else out there Leutenant. Cavs fans hopes and dreams are at stake on this one, Lt. Caffe. Surely you have more to offer than Elton Brand and Tony Allen. Please tell me you haven’t pinned your rebuild to Brand descovering the fountain of youth or a 31yr old developing a jumper.” Tony Allen is all D no O. He never shoots threes, and all of his points come in transition or slashing. I would… Read more »
Nice piece! Slight typo in the second paragraph, you said by in large instead of by and large, but this had a nice side effect: I realized I had no clue where the phrase came from, so I looked it up, turns out it’s a pretty cool etymology so for all the other nerds out there: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/by-and-large.html
This is a pretty good list. Any idea on some of the restricted free agents you might want?
Hey, thanks, R. Really appreciate the compliment!
Thanks, Tom – yeah, when I was thinking about TA, I was envisioning a guard rotation that had the ability to go small with either Kyrie or Dion handling the ball, Ellington as the shooter and Allen at the 3. There’s minutes to be doled out because of some of the ways in which Kyrie and Dion overlap. But, yes, until any of these guys grows to be 6’8″ there will be real questions about how enthusiastically Mike Brown will deploy them (though, maybe, that speak to Livingston returning). And, Patrick – the Brand listing was, admittedly, a reach and… Read more »
Good stuff– glad you’re writing here. I’ve always felt that cadavalier.com is the most reliably entertaining Cavs prose on the internets.
Agree on Allen and Landry, and that West is not gonna happen. I’ll confess to having not studied any recent stats, but how is Elton Brand a Mike Brown guy (even remotely)? He strikes me as a guy that is not at all effective on the defensive end.
Nice post, Robert – and a solid list. Count me in as a huge Tony Allen fan. I think he’s a culture changer. I don’t think he’s worth more than your listed salary (~3.3mil). He’s 31 and on downward trend the last 2-3 years. Also, he’s ferocious but he’s not exactly long. He’s 6-4 and played almost all of his minutes as a SG. If the Cavs keep Ellington (which they should) then they would have 3 SG if they signed Allen. However, Allen could defend the other team’s best guard/SF while some combination of Livingston/Kyrie/Waiters mans the ball-handling duties.… Read more »