A Look Down the Bench at… Igor Kokoskov
2013-06-06The Cavaliers organization took a lot of flack for the speed at which they hired Mike Brown. After firing Byron Scott, the team wasted no time (okay, they wasted 10 days) in bringing Brown back into the fold. At the time, many criticized the unsexiness of the move, even suggesting that it reeked of panic.
If Dan Gilbert and Chris Grant are fools for rushing in, however, the same cannot be said for Brown who has been methodically assembling his staff of assistant coaches since re-boarding the Cavalier boat.
The names we all expected to see – mainly former Pistons head coach, John Kuester, an assistant under Mike Brown in both Cleveland and Los Angeles – despite being heavily rumored, never surfaced. Instead, Brown trended “developmental” by retaining Tristan Thompson god-maker, Jamahl Mosely, from Byron Scott’s staff, adding former Lakers player development coach, Phil Handy, and, most recently, adding former-Cavs Vitaly Potapenko in a player development role.
Lost among all this development, might be the most significant one: Brown’s hiring of long-time Phoenix Suns assistant coach, Igor Kokoskov. Kokoskov has been an NBA assistant for 13 years, working for Alvin Gentry (Clippers and Suns), Larry Brown (Pistons – including their 2004 championship season), and briefly both Terry Porter and Lindsey Hunter (Suns). For Hunter’s brief stint with the Suns last season, Kokoskov was considered the team’s offensive coordinator, while Hunter ran the defense, a situation that is likely to repeat itself with the Cavs.
Most of the information we’ve been given about Kokoskov is exceedingly positive. Gentry has called him “one of the brightest minds as there is in the game” and former player, Earl Boykins gushed about Kokoskov’s point guard-focused offense.
But none of that has given Cavs fans any real sense of what a Kokoskov-run offense will look like. So, I talked to someone who has actually watched a little Kokoskov-run offense: Ryan Weisert* from Valley of the Suns.
CtB: Ryan, you got to see a bit of the Igor Kokoskov show this season as he became Lindsey Hunter’s lead assistant. Earl Boykins said “He believes point guards should have the ball all the time.” What, if anything, can you tell us about the type of offense Kokoskov likes to run and what he might bring to the Cavs?
RW: I think Boykins’ quote hits Kokoskov right on the head. He really trusts and relies on point guards offensively. For most of Igor’s time in Phoenix, the Suns’ offense relied on Steve Nash. During the earliest parts of that tenure, the Suns offense was among the best in the league. Though their efficiency and points per game has dwindled somewhat in recent seasons, the Suns’ reliance on their point guard has not. It was not a perfectly smooth transition from Nash to Goran Dragic by any means. The Dragon, as he’s affectionately known in Phoenix, struggled out of the gate as a starter. But around the time Lindsey Hunter took over and Kokoskov became lead assistant was when Dragic’s production really started to take off. Goran’s assists and points per game increased every month under Hunter, culminating in averages of 18 points and 9 assists over the final month of the year. That’s incredible production for a player in his first year as a full-time starting point guard in the NBA. It’s also a testament to Kokoskov’s offensive philosophy. The Suns have always been at their best when they played up tempo and let their point guard, be it Nash or Dragic, run the show. Kokoskov will definitely help the Cavs get out and run more in transition, especially considering all the youth on the roster. He is also good at utilizing his lead guard in a way that suits his skill set. Nash was incredible in the pick and roll, so the Suns ran that a great deal before he was traded. Dragic isn’t as good in pick and roll, but he is a great penetrator and plays really well off the ball. This season, the Suns focused less on pick and roll and more on giving Dragic driving lanes and moving him around the perimeter without the ball. I expect Kokoskov to use every one of Kyrie Irving’s skills and really give him a ton of different ways to attack a defense.
CtB: What has watching the Suns made you believe are Kokoskov’s strengths as an assistant (and, specifically, an offensive) coach? What are his weaknesses/shortcomings/bad habits?
RW: That question is a bit difficult to answer for a few reasons. First, before Alvin Gentry stepped down, Kokosov’s role among the coaches was not as prominent, so it’s difficult to make judgments about his coaching strengths before that time. Teams don’t having coaching depth charts, but over his first few years he was definitely lower on the totem pole than guys like Elston Turner, Dan Majerle, and even Gentry himself before he was made the head coach. After the departures of the three coaches I just mentioned in early 2013, Kokoskov served as lead assistant to Lindsey Hunter through the remainder of the season. But it’s not a great idea to judge his coaching talents and offensive insights on such a small sample size, especially considering how awful the Suns played during that time. None of the blame for the Suns’ mountain of late season losses should be laid at Igor’s feet. There was little he could do to stem the tide of the Suns’ precipitous decline. First off, Marcin Gortat got hurt in early March which seriously limited frontcourt depth and altered Phoenix’s lineups. Second, the Suns were subtly, and at times not so subtly, tanking for a better draft pick. They accomplished this by giving playing time to younger players like Kendall Marshall and Wesley Johnson. Both of those guys’ production definitely picked up at the end of the year, but their increased minutes combined with the team’s overall lack of direction and chemistry led to some pretty poor offense as the season wound down. I think all that can be said definitively about Kokoskov as it pertains to the latter part of this Suns’ season is that Dragic’s success is mostly his doing, especially with Lindsey Hunter’s focus primarily on the defense. The increase in Dragic’s assertiveness and the versatility he showed as a scorer are evidence of what Igor can do when working with a talented ball handler. How Kokoskov will do in terms of building a system/offense/playbook still remains to be seen as he didn’t get a great opportunity to install anything amidst all the upheaval in Phoenix.
CtB: With a lot of focus in this year’s playoffs being on “systems,” both offensive and defensive (i.e. Oklahoma City is a more play-based offense, while, say, the Bulls for example run an offensive system) would you call Kokoskov a system guy? Should we look toward D’Antoni and Gentry’s offenses as indicators for what he might do?
RW: Having cut his teeth under Mike D’Antoni and Alvin Gentry, I seriously doubt Kokoskov will institute a called play-centric offense in Cleveland. Both Gentry and D’Antoni were system guys who espoused an offensive philosophy for their players to interpret as opposed to coaches who prowled the sidelines calling out plays on every possession. I would expect Kokoskov to be more of a football (soccer) manager than a football (NFL) head coach. D’Antoni’s system was Seven Seconds or Less. Gentry’s system was similarly up-tempo, though he preferred to use a deeper rotation to keep the pace high and the pressure on the defense up. As I mentioned before Kokoskov hasn’t gotten a real chance to implement a full offensive system yet, but he should get that opportunity in Cleveland, especially with Mike Brown more known as a defensive coach. I would expect his system to be very up tempo and really utilize the Cavs’ youth. I would be shocked if the Cavs didn’t increase their transition scoring rank (25th according to Synergy) under Kokoskov. I would also expect Cleveland, and Kyrie specifically, to attack out of isolation plays less often as they institute more ball movement and more defined sets.
CtB: Outside of Kyrie Irving, who on the Cavs stands to benefit from the type of offense Kokoskov likes to run?
RW: Should Marreese Speights return, I think he could have some success under Kokoskov. Luis Scola had a great deal of success operating from the high post and running the pick and pop with Goran Dragic in Phoenix this past season. Speights is actually a good shooter from 16-23 feet and most of his attempts out of pick and roll this season were jumpers. His accuracy and opportunities to shoot could definitely increase. I also think Nerlens Noel, if he is the #1 pick, could have some success. A penetrating point guard like Kyrie is going to generate easy buckets for a big man with hops, active feet, and decent hands. Whenever the opposing center has to slide over to keep Irving from getting an easy layup, the lob or dump off is going to be there for Noel. Kokoskov’s system is going to create driving lanes for Irving which means Noel will have opportunities to finish buckets close to the hoop.
CtB: Thanks, Ryan!
So, Brown has brought in a lead assistant with experience creating offenses suited to elite to above average point guards. That’s great news. We got one of those!
The other big take-aways: Kokoskov’s focus on ball movement will hopefully quell Kyrie’s love of isolation, Dion Waiters is a pretty talented guard who would seem to benefit from a guy who likes finding ways for talented guards to succeed, and Anderson Varejao is a pretty good pick-and-pop threat in the Scola mold… you know, for 30 games or so.
*Ryan Weisert is lifelong Suns’ fan-turned-blogger currently living in exile in St. Louis, MO. He has written for Valley of the Suns for two years. When he’s not breaking down the Suns or writing for his personal blog, Spectavius.com, he can be found at St. Louis University where he works in a lab during the day and pursues his MBA at night.
@ grover13
lance played power forward throughout most of his career. I also remember seeing a few games where he played center, and he didn’t look outplayed at that position. To be honest I’m not worried about Noel’s weight. I mean it’s not like he wil stay at 206 pounds throughout his entire playing career right?
@Lunch-
Nance played small forward, had jump shooting range to 18 feet, and mostly played on the perimiter. Noel is being projected as a “rim protector”, and will be asked to body up against Marc Gasol and Roy Hibbert. Nance wouldn’t be able to do that either. It’s not just about weight….it’s about weight for the position.
Vesus, You are underestimating Noel’s offensive game. Its very raw, for sure, but the guy has a pretty good handle for his size, and had a better O-Rating coming out than guys like Hibbert and a bunch of others. He’s also the youngest player in the draft. He will get better, if he stays healthy. That is a definite flag I worry about as well, his knee injuries. But his weight is near a non-issue as Hibbert and dwight are about the only centers in the league who would abuse him right now, and that is before this barely 19… Read more »
@ Vesus
Considering that Larry Nance’s weight was around 205 pounds, according to basketball-reference.com, and he had a pretty decent career, I would say your “red flag” about Noel’s weight is considered laughable. Also I’ve read Noel’s playing weight was around 220-230 in college.
Pekovic will probably command 10-12 million. He’s not really worth that, but it’s what above average centers get. I would much rather drive up the price and Minnesota keeps him at like $40 million over four years. If they struggle, Love could become available. Just because he isn’t available now doesn’t mean he won’t be by the All-Star break.
Nice find – thanks! Dumb question: The TWolves’ C Pekovic is an RFA… any idea yet what he will command? Could we go big on a 1 year contract then try to resign if YKW doesn’t arrive? Or should we drive up the bidding to make it hard for Minny to keep Love? Or?? :) A Dallas friend heard a highly-placed rumor that Cuban wants to go all in to get Superman but they p.s. SA need every penny of cap room – what he heard was Matrix & #13 for someone they can waive (SM makes ~$8.6 MM) or… Read more »
@ tom
I would flip #19 for Isaiah Thomas, but only if my boy Jamaal Franklin isn’t on the board when we pick. Getting Thomas would at least solve our backup PG questions, but I’m really high on Franklin’s potential as a super-sub/Tony Allen-type player with better offensive game.
@ Gordon Noel has no offensive game except for finishing alley-oops and the occasional straight-line drive to the hoop. That’s a red flag. He has the body of a PF like a Kevin Garnett, but not even 5% of KG’s offensive game. His body is nowhere near ready to bang with NBA centers. Can you imagine Noel trying to guard Roy Hibbert? Now THAT is laughable even if he is back to 216 or whatever his playing weight was. red flag. Free-throw shooting form is ridiculously atrocious. Worse than anything from MKG…tells me he will have to improve greatly just… Read more »
@ Gordon: Doctors can’t predict if/when a player will have a/another knee injury. However, considering Noel had a knee injury in HS and now again in college, those are 2 red flags. Consider his slight frame and raw offenisve game – with or without doctors o.k. he is a questionable pick. I agree about his freakish athletic ability and height, but Ryan Hollins is also noted for his combination of atleticism and height (also came from a great basketball program at UCLA) and that didn’t get him very far. It’s not easy for players with that kind of build to… Read more »
You guys are sleeping on Isaiah- 4 6ft and under players in the history of the NBA have had a TS% of > 0.56 twice by the time they were 24- CP3 (3 times) Mark Price, Ty Lawson and Isaiah. Going up to 6’2 and you add in guys like Tony Park, Kevin Johnson, John Stockton, Mo Cheeks and George Hill. Going up to 6’4 guys and under and the worst players you add to the list are guys like Barbosa while the best guys are guys like Steph Curry, Dwayne Wade and Deron Williams. To score as efficiently as… Read more »
I think you make a really good point on Cavs hiring Brown so quick now looks brillant. I would never believe Hollins , Karl and even Del Nigro who had winning records AND to the playoffs would be fired. And the teams out there don’t seem comfortable hiring anyone who has never coached a NBA team before. DId Grant and company have any idea or foresight? Idk…
Gordon for the win!!!!
Grant is not dumb enough to trade Noel for MKG. He’s not dumb enough to have the #1 pick and take anyone but Noel and he’s not dumb enough to blow our cap space on a bunch of nothing.
@ Vesus I’m wildly interested in the “laundry list of questions marks and red flags” that Noel has. His knee injury is one, and the best doctors in the world will check him out. If he checks out, what are the other “red flags”? He is the best athlete in this draft. He is 6’11, an athletic freak, and an elite shot blocker. He is able to finish with BOTH hands equally well, which is quite astounding 1) for a big man and 2) for a guy with a raw offensive game. Considering he is able to finish with either… Read more »
MKG is along the line of actual trade value I see the #1 pick having this year. Winning the lottery was the best possible scenario for the Cavs from a value point, but it doesn’t hold a ton of actual trade value at this point.
It’s still possible Grant goes about things the same way Morey did last year. His big fish deal didn’t happen until the eve of the season.
Grant has so much flexibility, it’s nearly impossible to predict what he’s going to do.
The only knock on MKG is his lack of a jumper. A jumper that is already superior to anything in Noel’s offensive arsenal. He also has 2 intact ACL’s, some muscle, and looks poised to become an elite defender for years. Noel has a laundry list of question marks and red flags. MKG needs to fix his jumper. Noel has no offense, but people here want to nitpick MKG’s offensive game? smh The only aspect of basketball that Noel is superior to MKG is blocked shots. And height. The response is “well, Noel’s defense will have a bigger impact on… Read more »
Unfortunately for you, Versus, we also use our eyes and MKG is not better than those players. Or Drummond or Lillard either…
Players can improve their shot, but players usually cannot FIX their shot. There is a big difference between the two. Considering the guy has been playing basketball for a long time, and after his rookie season in the NBA he still has a terrible hitch in his mechanics, I don’t think there is a high probability he will become an average shooter.
I compare him to a more physical, better rebounding, SF version of Larry Hughes.
@Gordon
If you put stock in PER, MKG is already a better player than Beal, Barnes and Waiters. So I guess we’re looking at a potential superstar if he fixes his shot…and just about every player on the planet has improved their jumpshot from their rookie season.
” if the Cavs are taking Noel #1, they’ll need 19 for a SF. Provided they don’t obtain #13 from Dallas.” We’ll see. I’m of the mind you take the best player available there, too. Especially if Mitchell’s gone. Most of the Mocks are showing the Cavs taking Kentavious Caldwell-Pope at 19.
@ Vesus
MKG will become a great player if he learns to shoot a jumper, if he fixes the hitch in his mechanics… we can both play that game.
I am interested in how much player development is CLEARLY the focus of the coaching staff around Brown this season. It echoes what San Antonio does. Also seems like a clear sign that the Cavs have addressed Brown’s two weaknesses in his last go-round with the team. I cannot help but see this as a positive…
@ Nate Smith
“I really think there are better point guard prospects than Isaiah Thomas for the #19”
Not only that, but if the Cavs are taking Noel #1, they’ll need 19 for a SF. Provided they don’t obtain #13 from Dallas. I’m hoping for Reggie Bullock.
@ Cols714
Trading the number one pick in a weak draft for a young, starting SF who finished his rookie year with a higher PER than Beal, Waiters and Barnes? Yep, sounds like insanity to me. Good thing Noel is a can’t-miss prospect…no worries there.
@ Gordon
if, if, if.
@ Cols714
MKG finished his rookie season with a higher PER than Beal, Waiters and Barnes who were all drafted after him. So those guys must be garbage. Lots of busts in that draft apparently.
@ Vesus
Charlotte would jump all over that trade if Noel was healthy. And, if Noel is cleared by Charlotte’s doctors (if they even evaluate him), they would do that trade in a freakin’ heartbeat.
We would be insane to trade the #1 pick for MKG.
We got really lucky that he was drafted before us so we could end up with the better player.
Also, if this is a P/R heavy offense, I think that means Livingston is gone. P/R is one of the weaker parts of Livingston’s game.
Really enjoyed this, Robert. Thanks. It was a welcome change from draft madness. I really think there are better point guard prospects than Isaiah Thomas for the #19. Shane Larkin, if he’s there (and would probably be there at 13 if the Cavs traded up), and Peyton Siva (who might be there at #31) were both excellent P/R guards in college. Siva was also one of the nation’s best defenders. Larkin was no slouch either on D, and is possibly the best athlete in the draft. Both are bigger than the 5’9″ Thomas. I wouldn’t give up a first rounder… Read more »
Oh, and I would just like to point out that Sam Amico thinks Charlotte says no to a #1 pick for MKG swap.
Guess he must be crazy since MKG is such an unmitigated disaster, right?
I hope Kokoskov also realizes that Dion can run the offense from time to time…hopefully he puts some emphasis on Kyrie learning to play off the ball. Dion’s PG abilities are very underrated.
@ The NUPE I’ve read about that same rumor. I’m not sure how I feel about it. It looks as though Thomas was instant offense and did well for Sacramento last season, which would make sense for a PG-centric offense. My only concern is that he is 5’10 or 5’11, and I would prefer our backup PG be more capable on defense with Kyrie struggling there. However, there will probably have to be a trade off between offense and defense for our backup PG, or else they would not be a backup PG. I’d prefer to hang onto the #19… Read more »
Just based on this story, makes me feel better about our coaching team. We seem to have a good player development group – which is really important for a young team. We have one of the better (top 5 or so) defensive coaches as our head coach. And it appears that we now have a offensive coach that has worked with and excelled with a great point guard. This all feels right for this Cavs team. I read an article (either here or on espn) about a potential trade where the Cavs would acquire Isaiah Thomas from the Kings for… Read more »
Robert,
Great interview.
I’m excited for next season with the young guys working under the tutelage of a new coaching staff.
I guess as long as he focuses on PG’s with BALL MOVEMENT, than that is a good thing. Relieved to hear that is one of his focuses, at the beginning I was getting worried we’d repeat as Kyrie Iso all season, similar to what we had with Lebron. Also more worried than that, as PG Centric offenses have a tendancy to dwindle in the playoffs. Moral of the story, it is good to have a coach who knows how to make your point gaurd thrive when your best player is a PG. But while he should maximize Irving’s talents, the… Read more »