3 on 3: Cavs:The Blog Pickup
2013-12-121. What is your biggest Cavs related takeaway from the first quarter of the season?
Kevin: I’ll answer on a positive note, and mention the impact of Mike Brown on the team’s defense. As of right now, the Cavs rank in the top half of the league for defensive rating (15th). That is almost unimaginable when comparing to the last few seasons. If they maintain that level, this season should still be a success, as the offense will continue to improve. One reason for that is that Kyrie has to improve from his first 20 games, right? At least Tuesday was a great start towards that. Take a look at Jarrett Jack’s seasonal splits sometime, too…he has routinely been a poor November / December player, so hopefully he continues looking better as the season goes on. Tristan and Dion should continue to look better, too.
Nate: The biggest takeaway? It’s hard to take away much from a team that is clearly drinking from the firehose when it comes to ingesting Mike Brown’s offense, defense, and style. But the biggest thing that is apparent is that Anthony Bennett is struggling, and it’s looking a lot like the Cavs made the mistake drafting him. The biggest mistake the Cavs made was not drafting an injured tweener who let himself get woefully out of shape. It was underestimating the pressure of being a number one pick, and drafting a player clearly not ready to handle that pressure.
Tom: My biggest takeaway is that Cavs are attempting to transition from a collection of discrete talents to a basketball team. It hasn’t been a smooth process, with a new coaching staff and lots of roster turnover, but it seems, at least on the defensive end, that they are beginning to learn how to play together.
2. Can Kyrie salvage the second quarter of the season and salvage another All-Star game appearance?
Kevin: The bright side for Kyrie is that there isn’t a lot of competition in the Eastern Conference. Looking at PER, the top six point guards in the League are in the Western Conference. In the East, Kyrie is 4th right now behind John Wall, Michael Carter-Williams and Jeff Teague. For the 2014 Eastern Conference All-Star point guards, the smart money appears to be on Wall and Irving.
Nate: Well, judging by yesterday’s all-star voting count, Kyrie’s going to be starting in his second all-star game in February. The East is pretty devoid of all-star guards with Rose’s and D-Will’s injuries. Dwayne Wade, Kyrie Irving, and John Wall are probably going to be the all-stars ahead of the deserving DeMarr DeRozen and Aaron Afflalo. As for salvaging the second quarter of the season, Irving will be fine as long as he keeps the ball moving, engages defensively, and stops over-dribbling. His decreasing turnover numbers have coincided with the Cavs recent success.
Tom: I dunno is Uncle Drew famous in China? Personally, I’d like Kyrie to miss the all-star game and feel “slighted”. Anyone notice as soon as he “arrived” last season he started playing like crap?
3. Care to offer an updated wins prediction for the season? Why?
Kevin: I will slightly downgrade my preseason prediction, and say 41 wins. So 33 wins and 28 losses for the remainder of the year. As noted in a prior answer, the offense should improve, and the defense looks fortified. The one caveat is that the team had very good health to date. Hopefully that stays reasonably true.
Nate: Nope. I picked 39 wins, and that seems about right to me, given the improvement we’ve seen of late. I’d hope the could kick it up, and maybe make the 4th or 5th seed in the East, but that won’t happen unless they trade for a quality starting small forward.
Tom: I predicted Mike Brown would continue his streak of making the playoffs, and I stand by that, despite the disastrous start to the season. I’ll put the Cavs at 38 wins, and this is under the assumption that a significant injury befalls them.
4. Are the Cavs establishing an identity? Do you notice characteristic differences between the Cavs under Brown and under Byron Scott?
Kevin: The offense still tends towards supreme dysfunction, with limited off-ball movement. The play sets rarely create easy looks. Watching other teams generate easy buckets continually makes me ask, “Why don’t the Cavs have plays that work”? There are so many variations of the pick & roll that teams run, certainly Cleveland has the personnel to accomplish one or two of those. Relatively complex plays involving more than two players have not been successfully implemented by Coach Scott or Brown teams. Little individual things, like diving to the corner when a guard drives, maybe off a back-screen, or noticing the moment that their defender loses focus and cutting hard to the basket…whether it’s the teachers or the students, the team still needs work in those regards. Heading into the season, I anticipated Dion making strides cutting when he doesn’t have the ball, but not much success there yet. Anyways, the short answer to the question is “Defense and Rebounding”.
Nate: The Cavs are establishing an identity. Early on, the book on the Cavs was: be physical early and they’ll fold. Now, they’re starting to be the physical ones. The Cavs’ identity centers around their ability to out-rebound anyone on the offensive and defensive glass. If they can be patient on offense, and keep from turning the ball over, they can compete most nights.
Tom: Absolutely. The Cavs have been a fierce defensive team at home this season. They are also starting to run an offense through Andrew Bynum and more recently, trying to establish early offense in the 1st quarter. Byron Scott wasn’t able to imprint his identity (whatever it is) on the team, as they showed minimal growth as a unit during his tenure and always seemed to be less than the sum of their parts. Mike Brown may be facing the same issues on offense, but at least defensively, the team is competing. Also, Kyrie Irving, C.J. Miles, and Jarrett Jack have all seemed, at least at times, to be capable defenders. This would have been unthinkable last season.
5. Latest thoughts on #1 pick Anthony Bennett? Is it too early to count him out of rookie of the year discussions? The second part of this question is a joke.
Kevin: I hope that the Cavs are not so thoroughly mismanaging the first few months of Anthony Bennett’s career that they have forever lowered his ceiling. He is not this bad. I don’t know if the D-League is being considered as an option, but it should be. Send him to Canton and assign a positional coach fully to him for a month. Get him in shape, get his shot right, and rebuild some confidence. The small forward thing is not going to work right now; Jamal Crawford preyed off Bennett in the Clippers game. At this point in time, I don’t know how anyone thought that was going to work. Someone, please, save Anthony Bennett!!
Nate: See answer 1. Recently in the comments section, we decided it’s much more fun to think of Bennett as a giant Care Bear playing basketball. It makes watching him so much more fun. The question becomes, if he’s a care bear, what Care Bear would he be? I chose “Oopsy Bear,” but commenter, Ross came up with a better answer: Gum Drop Bear. The Cavs should make the gum-drop shaped Bennett a special Care Bear-style jersey with three gumdrops in the center, in place of the usual team name and number.
Tom: The Cavs shouldn’t feel obligated to play Bennett at all if he’s not contributing to winning. He could get 40 minutes a night for the Canton Charge if they feel like he needs more burn. If they are going to insist on playing him, he needs to change his approach. He’s supposed to by a pole vaulting big man that gets out in transition. That’s what he did in college! He has re-invented himself as a useless pick and pop big that can’t shoot a lick. Here’s what really stuns me – he can’t dribble – at all. Every single time he tries to put the ball on the floor he looks like me when I don’t play pickup for 18 months and then throw on the rec specs and try to go out and bang with the YMCA wonders. He has no control over his dribble. You know what I do when I’m playing pickup and have no confidence in my dribbling? Yep, I stand in the corner space the floor. Bennett needs to learn how to dribble again and stop shooting perimeter jumpers. It’s embarrassing watching him force garbage time buckets like he’s going to shoot himself out of whatever hypnosis he’s in. Watch the DraftExpress video below, they point out his strengths as being one of the most offensively versatile players in college. Right now he looks like Robert Tractor Traylor (RIP) minus the defense, rebounding, and pick-setting. The Cavs should be working to extract as much defensive value they can out him and his 7’1″ wingspan. I do take solace in the fact that anyone can find himself mired in a nasty slump, especially coming off an injury. Example: C.J. Miles looks like a completely different player this year than he did to start last season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4mD1PFE04c
Corey Hughey. Everyon has to wish we had drafted Drummond but that’s not a knock on Dion. I’d trade KI for Drummond at this point the dude is a monster
@Raoul. I’ve notice more people who like Dion than don’t on this forum. National media has been highly critical of the Waiters selection, but I seriously doubt they’ve watched that many Cavs games the past two years. Bill Simmons shit on Waiters for a year, until he heard that he could be available. In the past two weeks he’s had to have mentioned that’d he’d love to have Waiters on the Celtics at least five times. Waiters is my favorite Cav and other have mentioned the same on CtB. I get where people are coming from with the Drummond drum,… Read more »
Man, I love Dion. I will hate Grant forever if he trades him. His defense has been good all year (despite what national goofs like Zach Lowe seem to think) but his defense was tremendous tonight. He has also become a really good weak side defensive rebounder from the 2 spot.
The guy in the video looks bigger and more athletic than most of the other players, and he has a decent touch. It does not particularly look like he knows much about playing basketball yet. I’d send him to Canton and hope he hangs out with Kevin Jones to see how to play over your natural ability level, not under.
Gordon, agreed on Bennett. I still think Brown has a strange way of developing rotations–it took five years for the Cavs to solidify their ’10 team, and then Shaq’s playoff return mucked that up just the same. How long will Brown tinker with this team is anyone’s guess, but I think a rookie like Bennett–a #1 draft pick to boot–suffers more than others because of his inexperience and aforementioned physical issues. How could the dude in that video be the same bumblin’ and stumblin’ bystander he’s been so far this year? How good could this team be if he fiinds… Read more »
Bennett is a lot better than he has shown. I think the combination of shoulder surgery, being overweight, and the possibility of a bad work ethic (wasn’t this a concern pre-draft?) are all coming together at the “right” time to begin the season. Additionally, guys like Kyrie have looked downright lost in this offense. I can’t blame Bennett for struggling when he gets thrown into a game for 5 minutes, walks around the perimeter (total lack of chemistry between anyone on offense so far this season.. possibly better as of late), and then getting yanked. If he was in a… Read more »
Watching that video, I wonder how much of Bennett’s issues have to do with being REALLY out of shape, and knowing it. He is starting to look thinner. Maybe he starts feeling more capable and trying some of that stuff in the video. That guy looked like a completely different person.
Aksel- These are great comments! No one has said anything snide. I am restraining myself from making fun of the Dion haters.
And with that we are in the playoffs. Let’s take down the Heat tomorrow! F Hairline Bear!
Aside from that first qtr and 17 (!?!?) fast break points for Orlando that was a great effort there. Bennett even played well. I love te fight Dion has. Without him this team is soft. He took over in the fourth. Man Child Bear and then Pissed Off Bear all in one quarter!
Dion & Kyrie = a young Isaiah Thomas / Joe Dumars. (Some of you are too young to know.)
Guys Dion and KI are playing well in the same game. Ok not at the same time and Dion was rough in the first but this is progress!
Well just from the looks of tonight ole GumDrop looks a lot skinnier, in better shape and it is showing so far vs Orlando. Hopefully the team decides to play some sort of defense
In regards to the Asik AV trade. If there were a third team involved I wonder if the Cavs might be trying to Chandler Parsons who would be an absolutely awesome fit here
I hope this doesn’t sound patronizing, but what a wonderful series of comments today.
Underdog-
If Bennett gets it together, being a bruiser is a likely strength. I am hoping to see this happen, which is why I like BHB (Baby Huey Bear) better than GDB.
Underdog- I get what your saying about Zeller needing to get way more physical but I don’t think an imposing big is as necessary as some people. Tim Duncan has never been a physically imposing Rim protecter but basically for the Last decade has been their center and they’ve been just fine. Also if the suns or mavericks played in the East they’d have a ring or 2 in the years they didn’t have a imposing big. I won’t bring up the heat because when you have a top 5 player ever, 2 other top ten players, and maybe the… Read more »
Re: Asik You got it, Nate.
Re: Zeller I think that in time Zeller could turn into a “Z” type. But, it’s going to take some time. The problem I have with Zeller is that I want my center to be a physical presence . . . a bruiser – like Bynum. I think every team needs one. So even if Zeller turns into a good player, I’ll never be satisfied unless he’s coming off the bench like AV is. I could only accept Zeller if we have a PF that hammers people. Maybe Bennett one day? (hehe)
I agree, Kevin. I wish Zeller would get some of the minutes that Bennett is getting, but ZPA’s the #5 on the big man depth chart, and he is buried behind Bynum, Andy, TT, and Earl Clark (who’s been a decent backup PF). http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/731/could-omer-asik-land-in-cleveland It’s believed that Houston would seek at least one more asset in the exchange if talks with the Cavs ever progress to a serious stage, presumably a future first-round pick. Which raises the question: Is Cleveland really willing to surrender that much for Asik — and absorb Asik’s $15 million salary for next season? Daryl Morey… Read more »
I’ve been searching for an explanation of why the PNP chucker version of Anthony Bennett is so far removed from the player he was in college. The point made about his lack of dribbling skill might have something to do with it….so he just fires up the rock every time he touches it before he commits a turnover. But I think I might have found a reasonable explanation: the summer league game against Orlando. In the last 6 minutes of the fourth quarter of that game, he was firing shots from his rectum and they were going in. He was… Read more »
Bingo. Zeller still has potential. He’s still a legit 7 footer who can run. Send him down to find his shooting stroke. If he can become a decent back up big for 2 or 3 years, his drafting was well worth it. Bigs get PAID. A decent rotation big for under $2 million a year he’s a bargain. I can’t see Andy and Bynum both being with this team next year. Either by injury, or by the want to add a player via free agency or trade, one of them will probably be gone for salary reasons. I have no… Read more »
In the very limited time he’s been on the court, I think he’s looked improved this year. Hopefully the team doesn’t forget about the 23-year old 7-footer that they drafted 17th just last year.
YES! Gum Drop Bear! Send GDB to Canton where he can become a fan favorite and they can have GDB promotional nights!
One of my bigger issues with the team is how deep the rotation is. I get that Brown is still trying to figure out where he wants out of his units. It seems that he’s getting closer as the starting lineup has been the same for a few weeks. Bennett, Zeller, Felix, Delladova and Karasev don’t have clearly defined roles because they don’t get consistent playing time. Guys don’t know how to play with the kids, because they don’t play together much. Maybe rotating two or three of them at a time in Canton would help. It would give Bennett… Read more »
Cory Hughey,
I completely agree with you on Zeller. When Bynum and Andy are healthy, why isn’t Tyler in Canton? I would rather have Dellavedova, a guy that the team has invested nothing in, sitting on the Cavs bench, while the first round pick gets an opportunity to play and hopefully improve in the D-League.