10:30 Remaining in the 4th Quarter
2014-03-11Remember early in the season, when I started writing a series comparing the 2013 – 2014 season to one game? No? Fair enough, seeing as I skipped the 2nd and 3rd quarters. Well with the Cavs entering the final frame, things look bleak. They are down by twenty, and the other team’s starters are checking back in. Every brief bright spot is quickly followed by harrowing darkness.
When the Cavs traded for Spencer Hawes, my reaction was “Can I wait to make up my mind until April?” I don’t dislike Hawes, but the trade certainly wasn’t a slam dunk. And now, it’s not looking so hot. Why? Because the team has two wins and seven losses since then. And that is while experiencing the best Spencer Hawes that has ever Hawesed; his true shooting percentage, rebound rate, and turnover rate are all at, or near career bests during these nine games. With the next ten games either on the road and / or against playoff teams, the Cavs may become a four win and fifteen loss team really quick since the addition of their stretch-five. And for it, the young Cavaliers, once basking in cap flexibility and draft picks, are soon moving towards having neither. The team possesses only two future draft picks besides their own. Regarding Hawes, all they have after this failed season is the ability to offer him a lot of money, with hopes that he signs…the same ability they had whether the trade happened or not.
Kyrie Irving, Jarrett Jack, Anthony Bennett, Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters, Tyler Zeller, and Sergey Karasev combine to earn $32 million next year. Throw in at least $4 million of Andy’s guaranteed contract, and $9.8 million if they pick up his option, plus Hawes at say, $8 million, and a draft pick in the six to ten range, and the team nears $50 million, limiting them to $10 million-ish for five more players. All that for the team that is about to win five of their most recent 20 games, with the only addition being a new 19 or 20 year old, some (hopefully) healthy Andy, and a small free agent haul. Starting in 2015 – 2016, Kyrie’s extension will presumably begin, which if he is voted an All-Star starter again next year, could start in the $19 million range. If the team also signs Tristan to an extension this offseason, maybe also $8 million per year, in that scenario the total 2015 – 2016 salaries of Kyrie, Jack, Tristan, Dion, Bennett, Zeller, Hawes, Karasev, and 21-year old second year guy is $59 million. Likely around 95% of the salary cap, so if the team is going to make any sort of free agent splash or add salary via trade, it would need to be this summer. Cleveland, this may be your team. How far is that group going?
More than ever, the rebuild will fall on the franchise’s ability to coax the sum of the youngsters into a lot more than they are currently producing. Unfortunately, they also aren’t getting any younger, and the Cavs’ track record for developing this group looks awfully spotty.
Let’s brainstorm some ideas on how to change course. I’ll throw some out there.
- I hate to say it, because I don’t want it to end like this, but waive Andy this off-season. If the team decides to hitch it’s wagon to Hawes, Thompson, Zeller and Bennett, turning Andy into $6 million of additional cap space will be beneficial to chase some quality wing depth this summer.
- Trade Andy. The return won’t be great now, and may only amount to a contract that another team wants to part with. As a crazy alternative, what if the Cavs could trade Andy’s largely non-guaranteed contract, Jarrett Jack, plus the 7th pick in the 2014 draft for…a strong wing. This helps clear the glut in the backcourt and frontcourt, while filling the team’s greatest remaining team.
- Don’t sign Hawes. Retain Andy. Sign a low priced fifth big and maybe draft one with Orlando’s 2nd rounder, too. Then spend the remaining available free agent dollars on say…Trevor Ariza and Channing Frye.
- Trade Tristan. Maybe trying to build around a power forward that isn’t a ridiculous athlete or a three point shooter is not the right idea. Could the Cavs trade TT for something like Wayne Ellington, Shane Larkin and a draft pick? That restores some cap flexibility and slightly restocks the hoard of future draft picks.
- Trade Dion. Maybe he and Kyrie don’t figure it out. This would definitely be a way to shake things up. I am not sure what the return is though.
- Make a “godfather” offer for a disgruntled star. Whatever the other team wants…Dion, Tristan, Bennett, Karasev, Zeller, the 2014 lottery pick, other picks…anything to acquire a second “star”. Then try to lure a third “star” to Cleveland to play with Kyrie and “Other Star X”.
- Fire Mike Brown. Surely some people support this plan.
- Trade Kyrie. Some people will say this is crazy. Say the Cavs sign Kyrie to a max extension this summer, including a kicker to “super-max” if he is voted an All-Star starter again. With one vote from the fans, Kyrie becomes a 5 year, $100 million player. Is he worth that? How many guys in the NBA will make that deal look like a great value? Lebron and Durant? Chris Paul if he is healthy? Besides those few, it is tying up a lot of money on a guy that as a best case, provides only proper value. With injuries, or malcontentedness, that deal begins looking real pricey, real fast. What if Kyrie really doesn’t want to be in Cleveland and it is a distraction for four more years? In this super max scenario, the Cavs are basically buying into the thought that Kyrie Irving is a transcendent, top five of all time point guard, happy, and healthy. Maybe instead of that gamble, it is worth looking into trades.
- Give it time and hope like hell that the best cases for Kyrie, Tristan, Dion, Zeller, Karasev, Bennett, and 2014 #7 pick work out. I’ve been doing this since last spring though, and doing so any longer makes me feel stupid.
Ultimately, giving Kyrie a max extension, Tristan a new deal, signing Hawes, and not managing to shake anything else up looks like an easy trip towards building a team with a ceiling of second-round playoff ville. What is Plan B?
Nate/Tom, While I agree that we can say we need improvement from the front office simply because of the results on the court….I really have to take issue with your judgements of the Deng trade as a bad move. On paper, Deng was everything the Cavs needed- two time All-Star, still in (or close to) his prime, does the little things, knows how to win. And we gave up essentially nothing to get him. The fact that he hasn’t improved the team shouldn’t be viewed as a reflection on Deng….it should be viewed as a reflection on how immensely poor… Read more »
First off, Tom that was funny as hell.
Because Andre Iguodala is ACTUALLY a SG, or a CJ Miles sized SF. Who shoots worse from the line than Tristan Thompson and has gotten worse every season since 2009, who’s defensive ability is predicated on athleticism that isn’t getting any better and now GSW have him until he’s 35 for over 11 million a year.
Can Kyrie Irving grow into a Chris Paul? Every now and then he looks the part. How would that change things? What would you assemble around him to make this a good team?
Oh, I love me some Thad. Best value player in the league, and tragically trapped on that Philly team. A league leader in APM over the past several seasons, a great two way player with (until this year), a very efficient offensive game, and the ability to play both forward spots. Sadly, Thad can opt out after next season, so trading for him puts the Cavs in the same boat they’re in with Spencer and Deng, without the ability to extend him (since it’s an opt-out, not a final year). I’d add Patrick Beverly to the list of players that… Read more »
And can someone, preferably Nate Smith, he one of the synoptic Gospel writers of the Book of Thad explain why Cavs fans are so devastatingly enamored with the guy but think Andre Iguodala is overpaid and overrated?
I mean given the choice between LeBron and Thad Young? Can you even make that call? Seems there are points to be made on both sides…
JHill i fixed.
Howabout MCW and Thaddeus Young and the New Orleans pick and a future first from Philly. Jeff Teague and Kyle Korver, 2014 and 2016 draft pick and the Nets pick. Goran Dragic and some picks.
I’m pretty sure we can get ALOT better than that for Kyrie Irving. Iman Shumpert blows a bucket of wangs… seriously. You couldn’t think of a better deal than that for Kyrie Irving, come on get it together.
I actually hate trade scenarios so just disregard that I even proposed that trade above. However, the Cavs need a rim-protector, more athleticism, and better spot-up shooting. They can try to mold Kyrie into a two-way player and more of a pure point or move him to SG and nab a tenacious defender/playmaker at PG like Lowry. Feels unfair that the Cavs added: Jack, Bynum, Deng, and Hawes and nothing has moved the needle. 60 out of 100 people would have loved those additions last summer. 100 out of 100 if you’d have added the qualifier “Bynum will be healthy… Read more »
The Cavs need to decide what kind of team they want to be. They have 3 guys in the backcourt that look to score off the dribble and they haven’t figured out how to turn them into young Tony Parkers. They haven’t had a rim protecting center since Z was in his prime, and they lack the spot up 3 point snipers that help open up offenses. I know they would never do this, but I feel like the best long term move would be to deal Kyrie Irving right now while his stock is still so incredibly high. He… Read more »
Ross makes a great point about having players around. I hate to jerk our team all over, but Mike Brown is not a guy that has ever been known for developing talent and make them better and anything but defense and no one wants to play in the damn princeton, it’s never won a championship in the NBA. Even his pride and joy Earl Clark isn’t even on the team anymore. That speaks to a guy that isn’t good at teaching anything other than defense. This season’s FA market is extremely top heavy. Competitors for top free agents are: LAL:… Read more »
Ross makes a great point about having players around. I hate to jerk our team all over, but Mike Brown is not a guy that has ever been known for developing talent and make them better and anything but defense and no one wants to play in the damn princeton, it’s never won a championship in the NBA. Even his pride and joy Earl Clark isn’t even on the team anymore. That speaks to a guy that isn’t good at teaching anything other than defense. This season’s FA market is extremely top heavy. Competitors for top free agents are: LAL:… Read more »
I’m similarly stymied. And I think one thing that needs to happen is for the Cavs to bring in someone with some vision, and for Dan Gilbert to remove himself from the equation a bit. I don’t know. I agree with Ross, second round playoff team? Sign me up. The Mavs were a second round playoff team till they won it all. But the Spurs model? Meh. Luck into the greatest player in the NBA since Jordan (I’ll tie Duncan with Shaq on that account, and until they win the rings, LeBron and Durant aren’t in that boat) and then… Read more »
“Ultimately, giving Kyrie a max extension, Tristan a new deal, signing Hawes, and not managing to shake anything else up looks like an easy trip towards building a team with a ceiling of second-round playoff ville. What is Plan B?” Here’s the issue I take with most opinions from other Cavs fans and bloggers. Who has enjoyed the past 3 seasons of Cavs basketball? (*crickets*) What is so wrong with a team that has a ceiling of 2nd round playoff team? A team that loses in the second round of the playoffs had one of the 8 most successful seasons… Read more »
Ross Gumdrop,
I wouldn’t mind a 50 win, 2nd round playoff team either. They key word in the sentence that you quote though is “ceiling”. As in, this team is very, very far from being a 50 win, 2nd round playoff team. This current trajectory could end up being less than that. They have tried parting with draft picks to supplement the “core”, but if that continues to look like a failure, at some point other measures need considered.
excellent points by grover and underdog ( and agree 100% )—-how many young players ( this includes all Cleveland teams ) do we see develop / flourish once they leave Cleveland—-it is maddening/ frustrating—–someone needs to change the “filter in the Cleveland water system “— AND THE BEAT GOES ON ……
The sad part is, with each passing day, it’s looking more and more likely that this group won’t get it done. Just as sad to me is that, after following sports for many years, you come to realize that other teams don’t trade their solid foundational players – their special players. Yes, they’ll trade talent to get your talent, but the talent they trade always has blemishes. You never trade your unblemished players. So how much can you really improve via trade – unless you are trading a misfit for a misfit. Just as sad as that is that, after… Read more »
I’m in the same boat as you, Underdog. The really frustrating part is that I still look forward to watching each game, because each guy on the roster really brings something to the table (well, except Jarret Jack). I can’t think of a guy on the roster that drives me to say “He sucks. They should just cut him.” (well, except Jarret Jack). You can see flashes of each one taking steps of growth on any given night- just never with any consistency, and never as a group. And at the end of each night, despite those flashes of talent,… Read more »
The only thing I can say about Deng is, haven’t the Bulls actually gotten better since he left?
The reason there has only been only five comments to this article is that nobody – really – has an answer. We’re all stumped, as Kevin obviously was when he wrote the article. In light of that, Grover’s comment makes sense to me. The sad thing is – I really like most of our guys. They just don’t work well together. I’m going to hate watching anybody we trade do well elsewhere. But this just isn’t working . . . and apparently nobody here can see it working in the future. I think a good experiment would have been to… Read more »
“what if the Cavs could trade Andy’s largely non-guaranteed contract, Jarrett Jack, plus the 7th pick in the 2014 draft for…a strong wing.” “A strong wing”. Lets see. A guy who can hit open shots, plays strong defense, has a history as a winner and is a good locker room influence. Maybe a guy like….Luol Deng? Sorry to piss on the parade, but if this scenario had been floated last summer, everyone here would have been doing cartwheels. Guess what- Deng hasn’t helped. Yes, he’s likely not 100% healthy- but he was producing and winning with Chicago up until he… Read more »
If you can’t get another max worthy free agent this offseason trade Kyrie on draft day. Because we aren’t going anywhere even in this east with another crap year of Mike Brown and Jarrett Jack mid-range offense bullcrap. This isn’t me hating on Kyrie but he’s not LeBron, he can’t carry the Mike Brown offense like LBJ could. If you can’t get someone else in who doesn’t suck then you might as well start over because Kyrie ain’t sticking around and I don’t blame him if he has to keep carrying the offense. He’s a PG he should be facilitating… Read more »
It’s still only 2nd round picks for Hawes.
during the remaining games they have to play krie/ dion together / a lot of minutes to see if it is going to work——-I mentioned it recently the window to get any return for andy has passed —-difficult for me to admit —it is time to let andy go ( how many games has he played the last 4 yrs )—-for that reason we sign hawes—if you can get a solid return on t.t. you might make that trade (otherwise he needs to develop a consistent 15′ jump shot to continue his growth )—find a way to get rid of… Read more »
It’s dark and rainy here right now, and I gotta admit, the Cavs future looks eerily similar. Yikes.
They can’t increase next year’s draft age. That’s a collective bargaining issue.
You have to convince a max level worthy player to come here this summer, if its a PF you trade Tristen away, if its a center you trade Andy or waive him. Literally pay a team to take Jarrett Jack, then we are free to give Kyrie as much money as we want. They are really considering upping next years draft age. Trade that 2015 pickt while it looks like a possible late first rounder in a decent draft. Fire Mike Brown and offer as much money and control to Jeff Van Gundy as he wants. This is the dream… Read more »
Future sounds bright.