The Point Four-ward: Coaching Search A-Go-Go
2014-06-13 Off By Robert AttenweilerFour points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) If, as reported, the Cavs have interest in Maccabi Tel Aviv head coach, David Blatt, then this past Wednesday was an important day. June 11th marked the end of Maccabi Electra’s season where they lost to Maccabi Haifa 84-82, but still won the club’s 51st Israeli League championship on account of winning the first of two Finals games with Haifa by four points.
I’ll repeat: they lost the game, but still won the championship.
Hmmm…
Not having point totals carry over into your next playoff game is just one of the adjustments Blatt would face if, indeed, the Cavs have serious interest in the 55-year old Massachusetts-born Princeton grad. And while Blatt is widely considered a top offensive mind among head coaches abroad, he is a product of the same Pete Carril who originated Byron Scott’s preferred offensive philosophy — the one Scott quickly scrapped when it became clear that his young Cavs team lacked sufficient basketball jones to grasp the offense over just one training camp — which could temper whatever scoring wizardry a Blatt hire might promise.
Now that Blatt’s season is officially wrapped up and he’ll be available for an official interview we’ll get some sense if the rumors of this outside-the-box coaching candidate actually have legs. If the Cavs’ coaching search extends, as it is beginning to seem, to every person who is not currently a head coach of an NBA team, bringing Blatt in — at least for an interview — makes sense. He’s had tremendous success internationally, both for Maccabi Electra and the Russian National Team, who he coached to a bronze medal finish in the 2012 Olympics, but his roots are here in the States. He’s a veteran coach, but would bring a fresh perspective to the league and is still young enough to have a significant NBA coaching career ahead of him, should he choose to pursue that route. [Update: Apparently, he has chosen to pursue that route, per reports late Thursday] He has a connection to the Cavaliers, having coached Sergei Karasev on that bronze medal Russian team, but when your best connection to a team is “having coached Sergei Karasev” … well, you get the idea.
Hiring Blatt would bring significant risks for Dan Gilbert and David Griffin, but he absolutely has the type of pedigree that would appeal to Griffin (if not, necessarily, to Gilbert). I would put my own interest level in Blatt at “three drinks in,” meaning he looks pretty good, but not so good that I’d be okay with whatever ribbing I’d get if the decision didn’t work out. But, I just ordered my fourth drink, so check back soon.
Regardless, Blatt’s schedule is now open [and he’s coming Stateside], allowing us to find out if, in fact, that smell is actually fire or just a whole mess a’ smoke.
2.) It’s that time of year where, if given enough time, I can talk myself into anything. For example, I’ve swung from Andrew Wiggins over to Joel Embiid to now actually giving some thought to Jabari Parker. Likewise, the more time I spend with all the party-goers on the coaching carousel, the better some of the first reported candidates can seem. Take Alvin Gentry: Yes, a career 335-370 record as a head coach isn’t exactly overwhelming and it’s tempting to look at his lone stand-out season — 2009-10, in which his Suns went 54-28 and advanced to the Western Conference Finals — as more aberration than rule.
But consider this: true to Gentry’s offensive-minded reputation, the Suns posted the league’s highest rated offense in 2009-10. But they were also tops in that category in 2008-09. In that season, Gentry started the season as Terry Porter’s assistant, his offensive coordinator, as it were, as Porter tried to force the Suns roster into the San Antonio defense-first mold. Gentry took over for Porter mid-season and is credited for once again applying pressure to the team’s gas pedal, but the team had the league’s highest rated offense with Gentry only coaching 31 games, meaning that the offense, even when it was busted, was still pretty darn good. In 2010-11, the Suns’ offense dipped to ninth in the league but by then he was fielding a roster that teamed Marcin Gortat, Mickael Pietrus and Channing Frye with a past-his-peak Steve Nash, so ninth ain’t all that bad. And, of course, the Clippers captured the crown for league’s top offense with Gentry as Doc Rivers’s associate head coach this past season.
But all of Gentry’s teams had two things in common: they were run by one of the top point guards in the league and they were all abominations on defense.
Right?
Well, to the first point, yes. Steve Nash and Chris Paul can, in fact, run a good NBA team. And, yes, his teams usually finished in the bottom third in points allowed per 100 possessions. But, when you factor in Gentry’s fast-paced style (which leads to more points in general) and in spite of fielding a team of below average individual defenders (Nash, Amar’e Stoudemire and Jason Richardson to name a few), Gentry’s Suns teams between 2009-2012 were 145-116. That’s having good players like Nash and Stoudemire, but that’s also very good coaching in a tough Western Conference. There might be more than one way to peel an apple, is all. More than one way a team can be successful. Mike Brown might argue differently, but then that’s part of why we’re having this discussion in the first place…
3.) You didn’t misread that. I am, in fact, coming around on one line of reasoning for Jabari Parker at number one for the Cavs (which is very different from saying that I’m coming around on Parker actually being the pick, but bear with me…). As the consensus “most NBA-ready player,” Parker would likely come in and immediately be Irving’s most trusted player on offense (besides, that is, Irving himself). For a player like Irving who struggles with trusting his teammates (see the Cleveland Cavaliers 2012-14 seasons) and excels when he does (see any All-Star or USA Basketball game), adding a player who would immediately become Irving’s clear and trusted number two scoring the ball greatly improves the odds that Cavs fans won’t see a repeat of Team Dysfunction. At least not on the offensive end of the floor…
[Note: Props to the guys at the podcast, 2.1 Seconds to Madness, for making said argument.]
4.) Watching the Spurs-Heat match up in the Finals is actually serving as my own mini Embiid vs. Wiggins debate. The Spurs, while clearly having their share of talent on the wings, have the series’ premiere big man in Tim Duncan. The Heat, on the other hand, have been built around all time great “perimeter” players (all of whom just happen to excel at posting up, as well). The anti-Embiid arguments that focus on how the NBA is lessening the importance of the center position need only look at what Tim Duncan has been able to do against the Heat as a traditional (though once-in-a-generational) big. Even if Wiggins can become a better version of Kawhi Leonard (let’s put a moratorium on all LeBron comparisons for, like, ever, all right?) you have a game changer who can defend and guard the 2, 3 and, given some added bulk, 4.
In fact, paying attention to Leonard might make more sense for Cavs fans because he is performing at a high level while only in his third season. He has been inconsistent, as a player his age will almost always be, but he’s also been occasionally brilliant. The Cavs can afford to wait on Embiid or Wiggins because, however imperfect their roster, neither player will be expected to carry the load, at least on offense (and, heck, Irving and Dion Waiters probably wouldn’t allow it anyway). And an influx of “inconsistent and occasionally brilliant” should be enough to drag the Cavs kicking and screaming into the playoffs next year.
At least, one would hope…
It’s a tremendous reach to say that Embiid is a “much better prospect” than Anthony Davis. Outright ridiculous. Anthony Davis is the future of the NBA after LeBron & KD. What has Embiid proven at this point? I am all for the Cavs drafting him, but this is some serious hyperbole. Or you just don’t realize how good Anthony Davis ALREADY is.
@Underdog – If Embiid was as good of a prospect as Anthony Davis – there’d be no discussion about trading the pick or trading it. Period.
That said, I’m 100% on board with drafting Embiid and not screwing around with maneuvers to trade down and still get him.
If we draft Embiid and sign Blatt as our head coach I’ll be an optimistic Cavs fan again.
First, with 24/7 sports discussions on hundreds of media sports outlets everything will be discussed – even trading the first pick.
With millions of sports fans, if one high profile person is concerned about a back injury – and the fact that he didn’t score 30 points a game in college – then trading the pick will be discussed by somebody at some time. There’s no “Period” about discussing anything in sports in 2014.
He simply is a better candidate than Davis.
Davis carried a 140 ORTG and 80 DRTG into the 2012 draft. He’s probably the best player under 25 in the league.
Then we need to get Embiid, eh?
Maybe, but I don’t think Embiid is nearly the prospect Davis was. I would prefer Wiggins right now, but I’m not going to pretend that I have the ability to project the NBA futures of any of these players with any amount of certainty. We can see that both Wiggins and Embiid check a lot of the boxes you want in an elite prospect, but claiming Embiid as the successor to Hakeem seems a tad hasty.
I’d like to see: 1) Hire David Blatt and Mark Price 2) Draft Embiid 3) Sign SF Gordon Heyward 4) Re-sign Kyrie 5) Re-sign Hawes and CJ 6) Don’t trade Bennett or Varejao. 7) Allow young players to gain one more year of experience together. The ONLY concern about Embiid is the injury. Fouling and all other deficiencies are entirely due to never playing basketball before 2011. When Bill Self talks about Embiid he mentions his astronomical basketball IQ BEFORE he mentions his freakish athleticism for his size. His touch from the outside and foul line is amazing for somebody… Read more »
I also think that Dion Waiters is going to completely bust loose this year – up into the Kawhi Leonhard / Paul George class. And he will be the emotional leader of the team.
Here’s an interview where Bill Self discusses both Embiid and Wiggins –
http://www.kennyroda.com/kansas-coach-bill-self-on-joel-embiid-and-andrew-wiggins/
I think that team has the potential to eventually win a championship.
And I will be so bold as to say that Heyward is the intangible laden gamer . . . high assist . . . team playin’ make people around him better small forward that Wiggins is not. If you liked Delly – you’re going to really love Heyward.
Hi Bob thanks for the article even if we don’t contribute often we follow from Barcelona all the Cavs news! to get it out of the way: IT IS GOOD TO HAVE THE 1ST CHOICE in the draft… it is a deep draft and chances are that a VERY good player will be a Cav…SO ENOUGH NEGATIVITY… Bennett maybe was a mistake…it is unlikely there is a second disaster… but now you touch a chord with the Blatt: he is considered a genius in Europe and has been in Israel … and Russia (if one can adapt and triumph there… Read more »
Hey, Oriol-
Thanks for checking in. Especially nice to hear your feelings on Blatt having been relatively closer to much of his coaching career than we are. It’s now being reported that he’s in the top-3 in the coaching search — and I’m sure the Cavs would rather hire a coach BEFORE the draft so coach/owner/GM can all be on the same page with the pick — so, we’ll see.
Thanks for joining us Oriol.
If anybody care’s to read a David Blatt interview:
http://www.euroleague.net/features/interviews/euroleague-2013-14/i/136696/8232/david-blatt-maccabi-electra-tel-aviv
There is another interview or two that can be selected from the right hand column.
I think I’m on the David Blatt bandwagon. There seems to be something special about him. I’d love to see Mark Price as an assistant.
One random quote from the interview: After clinching this Final Four berth, you said you had never coached a team like this one. What makes the 2013-14 Maccabi Electra Tel Aviv team so special? “What I was referring to was two things. One, we’re not the most talent-laden team that I’ve coached. We’re a group of really good players, without overwhelming stars, but it’s a group that really, really likes to play together, knows how to play together, plays for each other at both ends of the court, and wants to achieve things. And they work for it every day.… Read more »
Unless I missed what you’re saying, isn’t Mike D’Antoni and example of a coach from Europe transitioning to the NBA? I don’t put that out there as adding anything to the discussion about Blatt, just to clarify that it has happened before.
right on DanBell!
I knew someone had done it…and a good way with the “7secondsorless” suns..
my bad!
Dave Blatt, Harvard grad? That must have been quite an unusual arrangement he had to play for Pete Carril at Princeton.
Good call, Phil. Totally my bad. It’s been corrected in the article.
@Probballdraft: I’ve seen the reports that Cavs are concerned w/ Embiid’s back, I’m skeptical. Dropping that intel weakens the value of the pick.
@Probballdraft: My sources say the Cavs doctors cleared Embiid. Only reason to leak intel is to try to get him to slip by the Bucks if Cavs swap w/ Philly.
@Probballdraft: Bucks have interest in Embiid if he’s available at 2. If Cavs could scare them w/ leaked info & Embiid not meet w/ Bucks drs they could pass
Geez. I’m tired of eleven dimensional chess. If they want Embiid and his back checks out, they should just come out and say they are drafting Embiid.
Getting him makes the team an instant playoff team. There’s no reason to try to do something cute that will end up being stupid. No one should care about value in the NBA draft. Draft a star and you are fine.
@SamAmicoFSO: Cavs put Joel Embiid through rigorous workout. His physical checked out fine, source says.
That’s not the word I’m hearing but who knows…
https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNCleveland/statuses/477441295598628864
I don’t buy anything Rizzo reports, as he rarely breaks news. He’s sort of entertaining but he’s not a journalist. If additional reports came out from others stating the same news I might buy it. But no one has else has reported that Embiid has had bad medicals, in fact the only other reports that have come out have refuted Rizzos claim.
One thing that Blatt, Gentry and Karl all have in common is that none of them have won an NBA championship. Karl obviously has had more chances, and hence biggest failure of the group. So I’m not really sold on any of them. I think Blatt and Price may be best for this team in terms of being able to develop players and being good at actual coaching strategy and making adjusments. Embiid, Parker or Wiggins? I too find myself switching my preference. IF Embiid has medical concerns, then he’s no longer in the discussion. My pick as on now… Read more »
He’s a much much better prospect than Leonard was. Light years ahead of Iggy.
“One thing that Blatt, Gentry and Karl all have in common is that none of them have won an NBA championship….so I’m not really sold on any of them.” Nupe, if championship success is your standard for a coach, then you’ll never hire one. Only seven coaches have won championships over the last 15 years: Popovich, Phil Jackson, Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown, Doc Rivers, Pat Riley, and Erick Spoelstra. That’s it- and two of them (Jackson and Pop) won over half of those by themselves. All of them are gainfully employed at the moment except for Brown, and “no thank… Read more »
Cols-
I’d amend your statement to Wiggins is a much better ATHLETE than Leonard was. Leonard was more productive statistically, and was a team leader. Wiggins, not so much…
Please. McDermott was much better statistically, but it doesn’t make him a better prospect. Wiggins has a decent chance to be the #1 pick. He’s widely known to be a much much better prospect than Leonard who went mid 1st round in a weak draft.
If Leonard was as good a prospected as Wiggins, the Cavs would’ve chosen him #1 that year.
Dude, Wiggins stats are really bad for a guy who is being considered for the number one pick. Only his Ortg is good. Everything else is mediocre-to-bad. Oarker has a better DRtg than Wiggins, for crying out loud!
Karl took the Sonics led by Gary Payton and all-time chucklehead, Shawn Kemp, to game six versus the Bulls. That Bulls team was one of the greatest in history. They had the record for the most regular season wins (72). I’m not exactly sure that’s “failure.”
Absolutely. Karl can coach. Period.
I’m actually not big on Blatt. I’d love to have him as an assistant, but not a head coach. It has nothing to do with his abilities. I just don’t think a guy coming from the background of the Euroleague and Russia- where everyone is working their tails off to make a living- is going to be able to get through to a team of teenage millionaires that came up through the AAU circuit being told how great they are. A guy like Blatt won’t be able to get the Kyries and the Bennetts of the world to do all… Read more »
The team Blatt coached in Israel is like the Yankees of Israeli basketball – huge budget, buy all the stars, expected to win every year. They won their 51st championship this year, as well as the Euroleague title. It’s obviously a different scenario, but he’s not exactly coaching guys just happy to be there.
What Raoul said.
WRT the meme about KI playing well when he “trusts his teammates”; the examples given are all places where there is no defense played. Rather an easy time to shine for someone who won’t/can’t play any D! How does that translate to, say, the NBA playoffs?
Your argument for Alvin Gentry was terrible, particularity in regards to his team’s defenses. In fact. the whole article is written in circles, which robs it of the authoritative tone that a sports column should have.
Regarding basketball, I liked the observation that Irving is very distrustful of teammates, especially when they suck, unlike Lebron. But like Lebron, he has a tendency to react passive aggressively by reducing his effort level.
I think the best point you made was “For a player like Irving who struggles with trusting his teammates (see the Cleveland Cavaliers 2012-14 seasons) and excels when he does (see any All-Star or USA Basketball game)”. I’ve never thought about Kyrie this way but this by far makes the most sense as to his struggles currently and I think could be the key to understanding Kyrie as a player. His last two seasons have been marked by two different coaches, a supporting staff that is growing as he is growing, and inconsistency throughout the franchise. Yet, when placed on… Read more »
Watch Irving play against a bunch of scrubs for a highly-edited clip? Huh?
I could just as easily say that Irving excels in games where defense isn’t played.
The last part was more of a joke and a play on the fact that I want Love.
But yes, you could say that but my argument would be Kyrie is has enough natural skill IMO to excel against any level of defense. You can’t say the team USA camps aren’t highly competitive in nature with the best players in the world battling it out for 15 spots.
… And where defense is an afterthought
I’m much more excited about Blatt as our prospective head coach than any of the other candidates – including George Karl. He’d bring a fresh perspective and doubtlessly would favor ball movement over isos and hero-ball. He would be a great get for the Cavs.
@Robert – I totally agree that a big like Embiid can have a huge impact well beyond any offense. Rim protection, rebounding, etc – as Embiid learns to play and fouls less, he’ll be an anchor on defense and make everyone better in ways that permiter players cannot.
Take it with a grain of salt, but on the first hour of The Really Big Show on WKNR: Tony Rizzo reported that Embiid was flagged w/ multiple medical issues by Cavs docs, Thurs. Will not be the No 1. pick. Rizzo said he had two separate sources.
The Cavs may be leaking false info to try and get the #3 and #10 for #1 from Philly?!?!
Please no. Nothing cute this year. Take the best guy and be done with it.
What @Cols714 said.
Well, first Rizzo is no basketball guy and secondly, 3 people have separately reported that there were NO issues with Embiid’s blaxk according to their Cavs sources and those are Amico, ProBasketballDraft and the draft guy at Sheridanhoops.com
So, there at least, some context…
Good thing Grant drafted Thompson over Leonard. I’m so glad he’s not making the pick this time around.
10 other teams passed on Kawhi (Utah and Charlotte had two chances each). Yesterday’s piece said it best: “Kawhi did not shoot well in college, did not test extremely well for agility and leaping at the combine, and he wasn’t the most engaged defender in college. (The Aztecs were better with him off the floor than on). The lesson? The draft is an inexact science” In general, we (as human beings) are too quick to attribute success to skill and failure to bad luck. In the sports world, failure isn’t attributed to bad luck enough either, instead we jump immediately… Read more »
People who work in the front office should know better. There’s no excuse for drafting a scrub over a star.
Would Kawhi be even half the player we see today if he wasn’t on San Antonio or coached by that coaching staff? Let’s face it, if the Cavs had drafted him and the Spurs took TT in that draft, there’s a better than average chance your quote above would be saying “Good thing Grant drafted Leonard over Thompson. I’m so glad he’s not making the pick this time around.” Danny Green would be out of the league right now if not for the Spurs. Heck, the announcers in the game last night were saying Boris Diaw was a drifter and… Read more »
Spot on Rick. I despise when people say Kawhi would be a superstar if he was the leader on his own team. Pop made him and he wouldn’t have had the same success elsewhere. Tristan’s problem is that he thinks he can be an offensive playmaker, rather than just an Anderson Varejao type pest.