Wiggins-credible: Cavs take Andrew Wiggins at One
2014-06-26 Off By Robert AttenweilerAs recently as last Thursday afternoon, the Cavaliers draft strategy seemed set. They were poised to draft Joel Embiid, the 7-1 center from the University of Kansas, who many draft analysts considered to be the tip of the consensus top-three, that also included fellow Jayhawk, Andrew Wiggins, and Duke forward Jabari Parker.
The discovery of a stress fracture in Embiid’s right foot — and his subsequent surgery that inserted two screws to stabilize it — sent the Cavs and the entire NBA draft into a weeklong whirl-a-baloo of trade rumors and a dizzying back-and-forth between the remaining two, Wiggins and Parker.
In the end, the Cavs stayed put and went with Wiggins, a 6-8 200 pound SG/SF whose length and elite athleticism immediately helps out the Cavs’ soggy perimeter defense and finally extinguish the tire fire that has been their small forward position since the summer of 2010. Wiggins possesses jaw-dropping athleticism and, until Embiid’s emergence, was considered a lock to be the first player taken in this talent-laden draft. While he is by no means a finished product, he excels in the open court, which should have Cavs fans readying their salivary glands in anticipation of all the above-the-rim finishes off passes from Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters. His shooting is inconsistent, but the form on his shot is good enough to expect his long range accuracy to only get better.
“I’ve been dreaming of this moment since I was a little kid,” a beaming Wiggins said following his selection. “It doesn’t even feel real right now.”
What is very real, though, is the continued influx of Canadian basketball players into the NBA and the Cavs, specifically. The Toronto native joins fellow Canadians, Anthony Bennet (2013 number one pick) and Tristan Thompson (2011 fourth overall pick) on this Cavs roster.
“Before [last year], no player from Canada has been No. 1, and now we have two back-to-back No. 1s,” Wiggins said. “So, it’s a huge accomplishment for Canada. It just makes — opens more doors for all the kids in Canada, just international by itself and I’m just looking to playing it for my fellow Canadians, A.B. and Tristan.”
Wiggins admitted that he didn’t know that he was going number one until his name was called. “I always wanted to be the No. 1 pick,” he admitted. “But come draft night anything can happen. … So, when they called my name, I was just all over the place.”
Asked about Cleveland’s other fresh face, newly-hired head coach David Blatt, Wiggins said he asked around and found that “no player has ever not liked him. He’s a great coach and I think he’s going to do great things for our team.”
He downplayed a potential rivalry-in-the-making between himself and Parker, who was taken number two overall to the Cavs’ Central Division rival Milwaukee Bucks. “I never think of anything as a rivalry,” Wiggins said. “On the court, it doesn’t matter who I’m going against, I’m going to go hard. I’m going to go win and kill.” For those concerned about Wiggins, often criticized for a lack of aggressiveness, these had to be welcome words.
Usually listed as a small forward, ESPN’s television coverage had Wiggins listed as a shooting guard. Wiggins downplayed the distinction saying “I think I can play both. I think I’m tall enough and skilled enough to play the two or three.” Does he have a preference? “No,” he said. “Whatever the coach wants me to play, I’ll play.”
But things kept turning to up north, as Wiggins talked up his connection with the Cavs two Canadian bigs. “The chemistry is already there with those guys. I played with them already. So, I think big things are to come.”
Wiggins is the 11th international player to be drafted first overall and the first from Kansas since Danny Manning went number one in 1988.
Concerns over Wiggins heavily-scrutinized game include poor ball handling, trouble finishing at the rim as well as the aforementioned passiveness.
Unlike last year’s shocking selection of Bennett, though, the Cavs didn’t overthink this one. They saw a young player with all the potential in the world. Now, it will be up to the Cavs and David Blatt to make sure that potential gets realized on the court at Quicken Loans Arena.
With the 33rd overall pick, the Cavs took Joe Harris, a 6-6 SG/SF from Virginia. Last season, for the NCAA’s Cavaliers, Harris shot 40% from three-point range, but may struggle defensively on the NBA level.
This is the one time — the only time — I am in agreement with KJ. Wow! I think Wiggins is wildly overhyped as a prospect. He can jump through a gym ceiling and it’s reasonable to expect him to become an elite wing defender. But his lack of offensive skills is shocking for such a vaunted prospect. And, yes, basketball analytics are a very useful tool. They’re not everything. They are quite useful. Now if KJ would stop going into attack dog mode whenever anybody questions anything about Dion….
KJ I’m with you. I never looked at the analytics but watched several of his games and was never impressed. Parker blew him out of the water. But its time to start praying he learns to dribble, shoot, finish, cut, play help defense (the reason his steals and blocks are low) get bigger and get aggressive.
What strikes me most about all of these conversations is that none of the players in this years draft seem like sure things the way that Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron and Anthony Davis did. It may be a deep draft class, but it’s hard to say who will emerge as the best player. Given the uncertainty, I would have preferred for the Cavs to trade back with Philly or Orlando, but it’s not clear that Philly ever offered #3 and #10 for our pick. As for the Orlando offer – if it was ever actually on the table (#4, #12… Read more »
Welcome to the “one and done” era. It’s just so hard to tell after one year, and players need two or three years of seasoning before they’re ready.
I don’t think that it’s necessarily the fact that it’s the one and done era more so than its the fact that a lot of these prospects become over analyzed to the point where they are over-hyped or under-hyped.
The other thing is there was an EXPLOSION of analytic models that emerged this draft – turning everything upside down. Last few years it’s been like Hollinger or Pelton saying “here’s what we think”.
I’ve seen how useless the best NBA models can be using a single year of data – I can only imagine how much less useful one year of college data is for predicting these things.
“Finally, was anyone besides me disappointed that we didn’t grab Cleanthony Early in the second round?”
No. Taking Early could have made it more diffiicult to get playing time for Karasev as backup SF (assuming Wiggins is the starter). Sergey did not get enough time under Brown. This year he should be more prepared to make a contribution. Besides that, the pick of Harris made sense. He brings the ability to catch and shoot off a screen. Which is a skill that no one else on the Cavs (or uses).
With the trade for Powell the plan to get the entire Canadian national team is revealed. Then we trade the entire franchise to Toronto for the Raptors. Griffin must be scheming for some way to reel in Stausgas.
I like the fact we came back in to get Powell. We lose Gee and take on Hayward’s contract of $2 million. I also like Gilbert’s Tweet to AB after the trade. Overall a good draft. I know some would have preferred Early over Smith, but if the kid really has a touch with a 3 of a screen, I’m willing to see what he can do under Blatt,
This made me laugh. We must now be the developmental Canadian squad for their run at the 2016 Olympics…
First Cavs draft I’ve liked in years. They didn’t try to outsmart/outthink everyone like Grant. Whether you like the Wiggins pick or not he’s going to be a solid player.
I really had the sense after last night that this draft will change the NBA more than any I can remember. Maybe not at the top, but pick after pick seemed solid to me. I think most of the players taken in the first round will end up with significant playing careers. I mean, the Spurs got Kyle Anderson! The Cavs got better last night, but so did a lot of other teams.
I thought it was nice of the league to have Isaiah Austin get a moment like that. The NBA is the most humane of the big-time sports.
Yeah I loved that pick for the Spurs. They are going to repeat I think.
What do people make of Broussard’s KLove comment? I only ask because he was the only one who had LeBron to Miami correct during the Decision. However much I hate him for that, he seems to be tuned in to those things. And, considering I was at Lolita the other day for dinner (where I hear Gilbert frequents), the bussboy was telling me how he heard from people close to the Cavs that LeBron decided to come back to Cleveland a month ago. So, this must all be true, right? lol That is a true story from eating at Lolita… Read more »
My buddy’s brother works for a company that informed their employees that LeBron coming back “is a real possibility”. I guess we already knew that? But it has elevated past wishful thinkingat thia point.
Well, it must all be true then! :)
Very interesting indeed! I’ll be cautious not to get my hopes up too much, but if nothing else LeBron is going to one of two teams: Heat or Cavs. Whatever team has Bron is automatically the favorite in the East, and the Cavs simply have a fuller roster with more young talent and upside than most. It makes sense on a practical level and sentimentally would do a lot for Bron’s legacy. Regardless, Cavs are on the upswing any way you slice it!
Let me preface by saying that I do not believe that Andrew Wiggins was the best prospect in this draft by any means. There are 4 players ahead of him on my big board (Embiid, Exum, Smart, and Nurkic) however I think that the Cavs made the correct pick. The Cavs need perimeter defense and 3pt shooting. I think that the extra space leaves Wiggins as a 37% 3pt shooter basically good enough. They weren’t solving their rim protection problems through the draft. But they can get a guy they can put on the LBJ’s of the world who will… Read more »
I think that the Cavs best option was to trade down to Philly for the 3rd pick, take Exum and then use the 10th pick to bring in a defensive big. I am of the thought that if Griffin wanted Parker and Gilbert wanted Wiggins that maybe Dan Gilbert should just be our GM. But I also think that Bennett is going to have a good year next season Blatt is going to be able to explain to Kyrie that no one will talk trash about his max extension if he starts passing more and scoring less. I think that… Read more »
Is it too early to suggest “Ender” as a nickname?
Not too early but definitely too lame. I’m going with nephew Drew.
Lame? “Ender’s Game” might be a bad movie, but it’s a great book. The character’s real name is Andrew Wiggin. It’s just too perfect.
first game winner he hits “THE ENDER!”
@KJ is wrong….Jabari is very good player and a fine pick for the Bucks. But Wiggins is the best fit for the CAVS he is also a better basketball player. Let me reiterate….what KJ is saying…He is comparing basketball analytic stats between college and pro; which the two games are completely different. The college game helps out crappy players/teams by allowing the lane to be clogged by defensive players. The NBA game allows for nobody (offensive or defensive players) to camp under the rim. This is the way it should be. Mind you, KJ also stated Marcus Smart shut Wiggins… Read more »
Sigh…the analytics pick better than the GM’s. So they clearly do know how to compare the two different kinds of basketball, don’t they? I said two games because I don’t include tourney games. Furthermore, Smart did not guard Wiggins every time. The film I watched I only focused on the Smart/Wiggins match-ups. Smart mainly dominated those match-ups.
Stop talking to me about this. I’m tired of repeating myself because so many of you have reading comprehension issues, evidently. The pick is made. I hope he becomes Paul George.
If analytic stats were so great then everyone would use them. There would also be an established pattern. Those analytic stats are not an exact science. Kawhi Leonard would probably be number 1 overall in Kyrie’s draft considering what we know now. You come off like analytic stats is the one true measure and Parker would be picked first by any GM because the stats say so. Like I said, analytic stats cannot predict how a player will fit for the team. Kawhi fits well with the Spurs, and we will never know how it would have turned out otherwise.… Read more »
Analytic Stats have Shaq as the 2nd best player in history….we all know he ain’t even the best center. Kareem Abdul Jabbar was the best Center in history. Everyone knows this.
Bill Russell was the best center in history. Everyone should know this.
Lol….Bill played against a bunch of white phonies and he was 6’9″ 215 or so…Kareem then Olajuwon maybe Chamberlain next….Shaq is top 5.
Also Bill played against 7 teams
Every pick is a gamble. We can have our idea of the best pick, so does the team. Then we sit back and see how it turns out. Kj has certainly made some good points, but I think it is fair to say Kj fixated on one theory. I hope that theory turns out to be wrong. We will see.
Decision is made now. I hope we all get behind Wiggins and the team and just support them. Obviously numbers/stats aren’t always right and there are a lot of things that don’t show up in Stat sheets (e.g. altered shots – deflected passes- passes never made to your man because he was so well guarded etc.) At the end of the day if the eye test – stats – interviews were absolute predictors then we would never see bust or players like Tony Parker and others be such shocking surprises. @KJ. Many of us have read articles and seen the… Read more »
Of course they aren’t and again, I never said they did. I did say they predicted NBA success did then GM’s did. Dis that matter to you? It matters to me cuz I think humans can deluded and be persuaded quite easily. It has been shown by science time and time again ESPECIALLY so-called “experts.” Just to be clear, I watched film on Wiggins too and watched him not use his athleticism effectively; not handle the ball with even a modicum of effectiveness and drift away mentality in games. I watched Smart, a guy 5 inches shooter, shut him down… Read more »
Marcus Smart did not shut him down. He blasted them for 30 in one game and scored 3 in the other because he played 20 minutes due to foul trouble. The college game just sucks, Parker may be a good pro but he doesn’t have the skills Wiggins has.
Actually I made a mistake…..he blasted them for 30 in one game and scored 15 in the other. 45pts total….hardly shut down. He scored 3 in the tournament due to foul trouble and playing 20 minutes.
He scored 3pts in the first meeting…..the 30 point buttstuffing came in the Big12 tourney….I think Wiggins dominated Smart.
No Brandon! You’re facts don’t count … Only the ones that KJ talks about but never brings up count
Oh man, you’re so non mainstream like the rest of the sheeple. Oh man! You’re like hipster to hipsters, bro.
have to admire kj’s passion
Kj- Wiggins play against Smart is the perfect example of how you look only at the negative part of the evidence. Off the top of my head, I believe Wiggins averaged 15.6 points per contest on 40ish percent shooting. But looking closer, you see he scored 3 on the first outing and 14 his next, both with abysmal shooting. The third and final outing Wiggins torched him for 30 in .560ish percent shooting. I’d argue that the evidence actually points to growth and that Wiggins figured out how to destroy one of college basketballs best defenders. For whatever reason, you… Read more »
KJ – Wiggins finished the season strong. He is the best athlete in the draft. He has a lot to improve upon – he has the most upside of any player and he should be good enough defensively to help when he’s out of rhythm offensively
“Best upside of any player!” Based on what? This us what I mean. Just meaningless, over-optimistic platitudes based on nothing more than regurgitated ESPN/NBA press sound bites.
His athleticism at this point in his admittedly young career as a basketball player had been nearly useless, as I pointed out in the first post.
He attempted more FGs as freshman than any other player at Kansas, this is a killer instinct. Kobe has missed the most FGs in NBA history.
The NBA game is well suited for Wiggins he is much better than Parker. Wiggins can play off ball offensively which Parker cannot. Off-ball offense is more important to the CAVS with the ball hoggers K.I. and Dion on the roster. Wiggins can also be a ball hog himself which is great. He will develop.
Based on his size, wingspan, athleticism, vertical, explosiveness, shooting stroke, defensive prowess, stats in clutch time (something Parker doesn’t have).
Nearly useless… Being the best player on roughly a top ten team, best freshman scorer on Kansas history, scoring the same points per play as the more polished Jabari, leading his team further in the NCAA tourney than Jabari despite missing his most talented teammate, playing at such a high level that Kansas was actually a losing basketball team when he wasn’t on the floor…yeah, sure sounds useless. You’re only seeing what you want to see. Analytics don’t measure his tools, development, or team situation, yet you continue to argue that b/c raw stats don’t point to him being anything… Read more »
Snuck back in for dwight powell, i like it! KJ chill bro.
nvm, woj was wrong for once.
nvm again, amicos drunk, woj was right. dwight powell and whats left of brendan haywood.
Gee to hornets as part of deal
Oh and Robert? There was a WHOLE lot more evidence behind the drafting of AB then there is for drafting Wiggins. So glad the Cavs didn’t “overthink.” God knows no one would accuse most of you on here of doing that vis-a-vis Wiggins! Lol
KJ, things in life don’t always go the way you want them to. Don’t know what else to tell you.
Try countering my argument instead of tepid responses or snark. That would be a start. I mean, I understand we have him now and I hope to hell he becomes Paul George but man, it would mean that allllllll those numbers were wrong, which is possible but don’t thinking people deal in probabilities? Don’t you, Nate? Am I supposed to turn off my brain cuz other people think Wiggins is great? Am I not supposed to pay attention to all those analytics people who have beaten the NBA GM’s time and again in the draft? Why would a thinking person… Read more »
Not snark. Feel for you. Now you know how I felt last year. Nothing you can do now but hope for the best.
Well, I cannot disagree one iota with that last sentence…
Kj-
What’s your argument for why it is a long shot for Wiggins to develop into Paul George, when Wiggins’ freshman stats are better than George’s sophomore stats?
You say other people ignore your arguments, but you keep avoiding all counter arguments to your chosen view of Wiggins! Unless you interact with the counter evidence, it shows you hold your view despite the evidence, not because of the evidence (as you claim). At this point it really looks like you are just believing what you want to believe…
KJ – I’ve seen your kind before. When bands get sell too many records they’ve ‘sold out’. You love Kale. You drink only the CRAFTIEST of beers. Im sure you’ve seen more basketball in your life than David Griffin who has only been doing this for 20+ years. I admit, I have nothing to offer here other than you’re annoying.
Wiggins will be just fine. He still has to develop as a human being as well as a pro. He set the Kansas freshman scoring record and attempted the most FGs by a freshman. The guy already has a fade way from the block similar to Kobe. You can not compare analytic stats between college and NBA. They are hardly the same game. College is very different from the NBA and is more like high school. College allows for teams to clog the lane whereas the NBA does not. Wiggins will thrive. I was not a big fan until researching… Read more »
BTW KJ, college basketball just sucks. The tournament has been on the out in viewership ratings….they don’t play defense in college, they just clog the lane. Nobody wants to see bad basketball and frankly, that is what college is relative to the NBA.
Kj,
Dude, there is not talking to you or debating you. Let it go, bro. Elsa did it. You need an Olaf.
Hahahaha! Phenomenal comment.
So, if he is such a defensive force and so athletic why do his “athletic numbers,” as they are called by scouts, so pedestrian? Those numbers, btw, are stl & bulk averages. Exactly the same numbers as (supposedly) poor defender Parker. Again, THE SAME NUMBERS. Those numbers tell us that for all his vaunted athleticism, Wiggins doesn’t use it effectively. That would be further borne out by his poor finishing at the rim, as Robert mentioned in this article. Again, he doesn’t use his athleticism in the two main areas one think he would. Yet that’s not a couple of… Read more »
I’m not sure who would make a better GM, you or chris grant…
KJ, just remember that this is a 19 year old kid who can jump out of the gym. He’s not a robot who grinds out analytical numbers game after game. He’s a kid, most likely not even done growing physically and most definitely not done growing mentally. It’s not wizardry or opinion as you claim to believe that Wiggins could naturally improve on his analytical weaknesses, it’s the nature of human fact. If he has the right work ethic, the right coaching (hopefully Blatt is the right choice), and the right environment around him (….), the improvement will come and… Read more »
Hey KJ, defense is not all about how many stats a player racks up. If Wiggins is moving and running with his man, or any other man and forcing them to stop their movements, or is closing out or altering shots, those won’t be recorded. Pretty simple stuff. If Serge ibaka had blocks counted for every shot he altered, he’d probably get close to 20 a night. Wiggins will shut down a player and stifle him all the way to the bench when he takes a break. As for finishing at the rim. He’s like 19? He weighs 200 pounds… Read more »
KJ- I understand you do a fair amount of research on your own, but a lot of us do, and what I’ve found is wiggins true shooting percentages were higher than Parker’s in college, and Parker had more “fluff” non conference games than wiggins. Also the Big 12 was a noticeably tougher conference than the ACC this year where wiggins average 17 ppg and is still considered a “raw offensive talent”. He provides us perimeter defense at a position where the cavs haven’t had it since 2010 where as Parker is a SF/PF Tweener on D. I think you need… Read more »